Plenty to come out but good to see Williamson back on the park.
NORTHERN BLUES
B: 77. M. Blakey, 45. H. Goddard, 37. B. Silvagni
HB: 19. A. Schumacher, 41. L. Casboult, 13. L. Stocker
C: 75. F. Anderson, 7. M. Kennedy, 46. M. Cottrell
HF: 69. S. Fisher, 80. K. Keppel, 16. D. Lang
F: 32. A. Fasolo, 53. J. Palmer, 29. C. Polson
R: 8. M. Kreuzer, 50. T. Wilson, 1. J. Silvagni
Int: 21. J. Garlett, 60. J. Hill, 30. P. Kerr, 27. M. Lobbe, 26. H. Macreadie, 44. M. Owies, 57. E. Penrith,
34. A. Phillips, 72. N. Wheeler, 31. T. Williamson
In: A. Phillips, L. Casboult, T. Williamson, M. Lobbe, C. Polson, M. Cottrell, Kennedy, H. Macreadie
Out: G. Strachan, J. Lynch, F. O’Dwyer
And Macreadie too!!
Do the NBs run a seconds side given the Development league is defunct or do they head back to their original clubs?
Do the NBs run a seconds side given the Development league is defunct or do they head back to their original clubs?
There is no 'development league' now. The guys who don't play go back to lower competitions. To me, it is one of the things very wrong with the VFL at the moment. Supposedly it is a matter of cost.
Zero continuity. Whatever brainiac came up with this one?
Zero continuity. Whatever brainiac came up with this one?
Probably the same group of idiots that destroyed the 2nds and made the VFL from the corpse of the VFA in the first place!
Probably the same group of idiots that destroyed the 2nds and made the VFL from the corpse of the VFA in the first place!
Rod Galt passed away recently and I was reminded of the cartoon he drew depicting the VFL as a pig with its snout in the VFA trough. That was when the VFL moved reserves games to the Sunday in direct competition with the VFA and that was the beginning of the end for the VFA.
What happened in the old days with blokes who missed out on a game in the twos? If they were young enough they could play in the thirds but older players must have not played at all or played with a local club.
Keen to head down to Victoria Park tomorrow with my eyes firmly on Stocker, Kennedy, Williamson and MacCreadie.
All could make a difference in our senior team in the next month or so depending on how they progress in the coming weeks.
NORTHERN BLUES
B: 77. M. Blakey, 45. H. Goddard, 37. B. Silvagni
HB: 19. A. Schumacher, 41. L. Casboult, 13. L. Stocker
C: 75. F. Anderson, 7. M. Kennedy, 46. M. Cottrell
HF: 69. S. Fisher, 80. K. Keppel, 16. D. Lang
F: 32. A. Fasolo, 53. J. Palmer, 29. C. Polson
R: 27. M. Lobbe, 50. T. Wilson, 57. E. Penrith,
Int: 21. J. Garlett, 60. J. Hill, 30. P. Kerr, , 26. H. Macreadie, 44. M. Owies, 34. A. Phillips, 72. N. Wheeler, 31. T. Williamson
In: A. Phillips, L. Casboult, T. Williamson, M. Lobbe, M. Cottrell, Kennedy, H. Macreadie
Out: G. Strachan, J. Lynch, F. O’Dwyer
I am hoping for a good performance from this lot tomorrow. At least it has a few guys who can ruck, unlike the seniors.
I wonder who our 21st player will be?
COLLINGWOOD
B: 31. F. Appleby, 47. M. Keane, 67. M. Smith
HB: 6. T. Goldsack, 52. E. Le Grice, 35. I. Quaynor
C: 39. B. Crocker, 19. L. Greenwood, 26. J. Daicos
HF: 40. A. Bosenavulagi, 43. A. Tohill, 29. T. Broomhead
F: 61. S. Hetherington, 20. B. Reid, 3. D. Wells
R: 45. M. Lynch, 33. R. Wills, 50. A. Woodward
Int: 55. M. Chippendale, 54. A. Gallucci, 64. C. Lane, 73. A. Oxley, 57. S. Ralph, 36. B. Sier, 51. L. Tardrew, 63. C. Wellings
23P: 56. C. Hustwaite
In: L. Tardrew, C. Lane, S. Ralph, A. Tohill, C. Wellings, A. Gallucci
Out: J. Madgen, T. Brown
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Any coverage on this one?
Any coverage on this one?
I haven't found a thing as yet. Very disappointing, it looks like Channel CheatsTV have taken the VFL broadcast backwards, I suppose some of the VFL games were better to watch than the AFL they pay the big dollars for!
Careful, there are some bogus links popping up as usual, the more people search for the game the more bogus links appear.
Any coverage on this one?
Sadly, I don't think there is. I looked everywhere for streaming, TV, local radio... anything. Even thought of going myself but the 5 hour round trip put me off!
Apparently;
Details: Victoria Park, Saturday, April 20, 2pm
Broadcast: Fans can tune into Casey Radio on 97.7FM to listen to the game. The match will also be covered across the Northern Blues’ social media channels.
https://www.3ser.org.au/audio-player.html
Apparently Schumacher and Casboult are not playing. That brings questions as to a possible replacement for tomorrow's game.
I wouldn't expect it to be Kreuzer, or we'd have take out a proper ruckman.
Apparently;
Details: Victoria Park, Saturday, April 20, 2pm
Broadcast: Fans can tune into Casey Radio on 97.7FM to listen to the game. The match will also be covered across the Northern Blues’ social media channels.
https://www.3ser.org.au/audio-player.html
https://twitter.com/NBluesFC
Poor kicking is poor football.
score please?
https://www.flashscore.com.au/afl/australia/vfl/
hit the lead early in the 3rd!
Collingwood Magpies
8.6 (54)
Northern Blues
7.10 (52)
Ben Reid is a target, can't convert, fortunately.
3 Qtr time:
Collingwood Magpies
8.9 (57)
Northern Blues
7.10 (52)
Apparently;
Details: Victoria Park, Saturday, April 20, 2pm
Broadcast: Fans can tune into Casey Radio on 97.7FM to listen to the game. The match will also be covered across the Northern Blues’ social media channels.
https://www.3ser.org.au/audio-player.html
Thank you for finding this, Spotted One.
3 Qrt time stats:
GOALS: Kerr 2, Blakey, Fasolo, Lobbe, Palmer, Owies.
DISPOSALS: Kennedy 18, Wilson 18, Goddard 15, Anderson 14, Stocker 14, Williamson 11.
Northern Blues Twitter.
NBs up by a point.
Spoke too soon. Rottingwood 5pts up.
Exciting game. Rottingwood by 2 pts. Not a bad call either.
Fisher kicks on after good lead up play.
Collingwood Magpies
11.10 (76)
Northern Blues
10.14 (74)
back to2 points minutes to go...
back to2 points minutes to go...
and Kerr just kicks one - we're in the lead!
Collingwood Magpies
11.10 (76)
Northern Blues
11.14 (80)
but Diacos takes a mark 7 metres out - AND misses!
Over 30 mins now.
We win by 3pts!
Final scores:
Collingwood Magpies
11.11 (77)
Northern Blues
11.14 (80)
GOALS:
Kerr 3, Anderson, Fisher, Blakey, Fasolo, Lobbe, Palmer, Owies.
Disposals:
Kennedy 22, Wilson 20, Stocker 19.
Great win Blues!
Kennedy was crunched in a tackle during that last quarter, hope he is okay.
Kerr continues to be a presence, if not for Harry he might get a run.
Final scores:
Collingwood Magpies
11.11 (77)
Northern Blues
11.14 (80)
GOALS:
Kerr 3, Anderson, Fisher, Blakey, Fasolo, Lobbe, Palmer, Owies.
Disposals:
Kennedy 22, Wilson 20, Stocker 19.
Great win Blues!
Woo Hoo. Well done lads. Some names getting among the goals and disposals.
Like to see Kerr in the seniors at some stage, offers us a more physical player and I think he could make if given opportunities.
You Beauties! Car'n the Blues!
DISPOSALS: Kennedy 22, Wilson 20, Stocker 19, Anderson 18, Fisher 18, Goddard 16, Macreadie 13, Williamson 13.
None outstanding, but a solid contribution from a lot of players. Very happy to see the last three names!
COLLINGWOOD VFL 2.2 5.4 8.9 11.11 (77)
NORTHERN BLUES 1.3 4.9 7.10 11.14 (80)
GOALS
Northern Blues: Kerr 3, Palmer 2, Anderson, Blakey, Fasolo, Fisher, Lobbe, Owies
BESTS
Northern Blues: Goddard, Anderson, Wilson, Macreadie, Williamson, Hill
Disappointed to see neither of the rucks named in the best. I was hoping they could grab the game by the teeth.
Congratulations (again) to the NB's
What a wonderful achievement to finish on top of the Pies.
If I recall correctly they took us to the cleaners last year (?? 20+ goals against).
Great to see our young bookends in Willo, McReadie, Goddard, and Kerr amongst the best/goals.
Also excited for Owies getting a major. Was that his 1st?
Was he playing up fwd?
Like to see Kerr in the seniors at some stage, offers us a more physical player and I think he could make if given opportunities.
Poor bugger will have to wait for an injury unfortunately unless we decide to make Charlie a bonafide midfielder full time, which I don't see happening.
Poor bugger will have to wait for an injury unfortunately unless we decide to make Charlie a bonafide midfielder full time, which I don't see happening.
Not a terrible idea. Given Charlie's playing like a busted a55 why not give him a week on the wing.
Kerr may not have the panache of Harry and Charlie but he is a footballer’s footballer and has that instinctive ability to get to where the ball is heading. I think he would be a good counterpoint to our more flamboyant but less effective key forwards.
Two close wins from two games and some promising performances from “depth” players and blokes returning from injury. What’s not to like about that?
A hard working, competitive VFL team is what success is built on :)
Kerr may not have the panache of Harry and Charlie but he is a footballer’s footballer and has that instinctive ability to get to where the ball is heading. I think he would be a good counterpoint to our more flamboyant but less effective key forwards.
Two close wins from two games and some promising performances from “depth” players and blokes returning from injury. What’s not to like about that?
A hard working, competitive VFL team is what success is built on :)
Agree....Kerr reminds me of a taller Josh Caddy, not a lot of style but lots of presence,as Jim said though very hard to play them all and he will remain backup only
until we get injuries or the coaches box want a different approach, still keen to see him tried down back.
Agree....Kerr reminds me of a taller Josh Caddy, not a lot of style but lots of presence,as Jim said though very hard to play them all and he will remain backup only
until we get injuries or the coaches box want a different approach, still keen to see him tried down back.
You can like him all you want. But is simply isn't good enough (at this stage) to push anyone, forward or back, out of the side.
It's a good problem to have, and a foreign one to us this century.
You can like him all you want. But is simply isn't good enough (at this stage) to push anyone, forward or back, out of the side.
It's a good problem to have, and a foreign one to us this century.
Sorry for having an opinion you dont agree with, if you read what I said he will
remain backup only.....
Agree....Kerr reminds me of a taller Josh Caddy, not a lot of style but lots of presence,as Jim said though very hard to play them all and he will remain backup only
until we get injuries or the coaches box want a different approach, still keen to see him tried down back.
Funny you mention Caddy. I was thinking maybe Kennedy could play a Caddy-type role for us. Quite good overhead for his size.
He's not quick but neither is Caddy.
Sorry for having an opinion you dont agree with, if you read what I said he will remain backup only.....
I wasnt actually agreeing or disagreeing with you. Just pointing out we have a guy playing well who can't get into the side.... And that's not something we've had for quite a while.
Maybe you should've read what I said before jumping on your high horse? :P
You can like him all you want. But is simply isn't good enough (at this stage) to push anyone, forward or back, out of the side.
It's a good problem to have, and a foreign one to us this century.
Yes, we’ve finally got genuine depth, even if it is quite shallow in relation to that of the power clubs.
I think that there has to be a point where Kerr comes in to the 22 to replace an injured or underperforming key forward. There also has to be a point where Kerr overtakes Casboult as the preferred second ruck/tall forward replacement option. He just has to maintain the form he has brought to the first two VFL games.
Another player who has been impressive is Hugh Goddard. I know that some folk were unhappy with us taking a “St Kilda reject” but it seems to me that injury prevented St Kilda from getting the best out of young Hugh.
As with Kerr, it is difficult to see who Goddard could displace but he does provide a genuine option for a key defender role if needed. Another astute selection by SOS that proves beyond doubt that he knows more about list management than the collective CSC brains trust :)
Yes, we’ve finally got genuine depth, even if it is quite shallow in relation to that of the power clubs.
I think that there has to be a point where Kerr comes in to the 22 to replace an injured or underperforming key forward. There also has to be a point where Kerr overtakes Casboult as the preferred second ruck/tall forward replacement option. He just has to maintain the form he has brought to the first two VFL games.
Another player who has been impressive is Hugh Goddard. I know that some folk were unhappy with us taking a “St Kilda reject” but it seems to me that injury prevented St Kilda from getting the best out of young Hugh.
As with Kerr, it is difficult to see who Goddard could displace but he does provide a genuine option for a key defender role if needed. Another astute selection by SOS that proves beyond doubt that he knows more about list management than the collective CSC brains trust :)
Was down the pecking order and wasnt going to get a game there. He fell off the list more through timing than anything else. St. Kilda were going to jag a king in the draft to take his spot and let him go.
Funny you mention Caddy. I was thinking maybe Kennedy could play a Caddy-type role for us. Quite good overhead for his size.
He's not quick but neither is Caddy.
Take your point on Kennedy ,...Caddy is a nasty unit and a very good converter, not sure Matt has that nasty capability
in his makeup and would need to improve his kicking but i think he does need another string to his bow and maybe some time in a different position might help him out.
Given our midfield depth he is going to struggle to get games unless we get a lot of injuries IMO, I wonder if his tweeting indiscretion kept him out of this weeks team as I thought he
was a monty to be picked in the team vs the Dogs who are very competitive around the ball.
I went along to the game - old Vic Park was a good place to watch a very competitive game. Big shout out to the Northern player #80 (Keppel, I presume - a tall robust player) who took two powerful overhead marks to repel the Pies' final 2 attacks in the last minute/s of the game.
Kennedy might have had the most possessions but he did stuff all with them. He looks faster than last year but is still a very slow player who always seems to be under pressure (or being tackled) when he gets the ball so most of his disposals are ineffective hand-passes and scrubby kicks - hard to believe he was a 1st round draft pick. Nick Graham was a better footballer.
Ruck contests were interesting in that the Pies' #45 absolutely dominated against Lobbe, who did most of the 1st half ruckwork, but Phillips jumped all over the top of him and was instrumental in the Blues' win.
Goddard looked quite good overhead (marking and spoiling), is a nice left foot kick and seems to play with a fair bit of poise. He followed Ben Reid wherever he went but was lucky Reid missed some relatively easy goals.
Kerr was effective and should have kicked a couple more goals. However, to me he seems to be a one trick pony - good mark on the lead but not so good overhead unless the ball is kicked to his advantage and lacks mobility when the ball hits the ground.
Stocker was disappointing for a player who cost us so much in the drafting - many of his disposals were as the designated kicker after a behind - he is a beautiful kick but so was Matthew Watson and Stocker didn't seem to have a lot else going for him - no great speed.
Macreadie played well at half back but frequently found himself at full back where he was more limited.
Williamson was possibly our best player over the game for his poise, decision making, decisiveness in marking contests, his penetrating kicking and run through the lines from half-back.
Ben Silvagni followed Goldsack around (mostly at half-back) and kept him quiet. Taller, faster, more athletic, a better mark and a much better kick that Jack. Might take a little time but looks okay.
Cottrell and Owies played on the wings. Cottrell did some nice things and seems to have better size and pace than Owies, who doesn't seem quick enough for a player his size.
Lang was much the same as last year - disappointing and not a strong player.
Garlett was similarly unimpressive but looked more interested than Lang.
Fasolo had only a handful of possessions that I can recall but he kicked an excellent goal and twice hit the leading Kerr, lace out. Too slow to provide any small forward tackling pressure (unless someone runs into him) but if he stops trying to do what he was once able to do and plays within his limitations, I think he could still have something to offer around the goals.
I went along to the game - old Vic Park was a good place to watch a very competitive game. Big shout out to the Northern player #80 (Keppel, I presume - a tall robust player) who took two powerful overhead marks to repel the Pies' final 2 attacks in the last minute/s of the game.
Kennedy might have had the most possessions but he did stuff all with them. He looks faster than last year but is still a very slow player who always seems to be under pressure (or being tackled) when he gets the ball so most of his disposals are ineffective hand-passes and scrubby kicks - hard to believe he was a 1st round draft pick. Nick Graham was a better footballer.
Ruck contests were interesting in that the Pies' #45 absolutely dominated against Lobbe, who did most of the 1st half ruckwork, but Phillips jumped all over the top of him and was instrumental in the Blues' win.
Goddard looked quite good overhead (marking and spoiling), is a nice left foot kick and seems to play with a fair bit of poise. He followed Ben Reid wherever he went but was lucky Reid missed some relatively easy goals.
Kerr was effective and should have kicked a couple more goals. However, to me he seems to be a one trick pony - good mark on the lead but not so good overhead unless the ball is kicked to his advantage and lacks mobility when the ball hits the ground.
Stocker was disappointing for a player who cost us so much in the drafting - many of his disposals were as the designated kicker after a behind - he is a beautiful kick but so was Matthew Watson and Stocker didn't seem to have a lot else going for him - no great speed.
Macreadie played well at half back but frequently found himself at full back where he was more limited.
Williamson was possibly our best player over the game for his poise, decision making, decisiveness in marking contests, his penetrating kicking and run through the lines from half-back.
Ben Silvagni followed Goldsack around (mostly at half-back) and kept him quiet. Taller, faster, more athletic, a better mark and a much better kick that Jack. Might take a little time but looks okay.
Cottrell and Owies played on the wings. Cottrell did some nice things and seems to have better size and pace than Owies, who doesn't seem quick enough for a player his size.
Lang was much the same as last year - disappointing and not a strong player.
Garlett was similarly unimpressive but looked more interested than Lang.
Fasolo had only a handful of possessions that I can recall but he kicked an excellent goal and twice hit the leading Kerr, lace out. Too slow to provide any small forward tackling pressure (unless someone runs into him) but if he stops trying to do what he was once able to do and plays within his limitations, I think he could still have something to offer around the goals.
Thanks RiverRat.
Very sobering reading.
Hopefully there's more than Williamson and macreadie as only Williamson really gives us something we dont have already.
Great, in depth review RR. Thanks for that. Some disturbing reading it has to be said.
Thanks a lot, RR. Great stuff.
My comments in colour.
I went along to the game - old Vic Park was a good place to watch a very competitive game. Big shout out to the Northern player #80 (Keppel, I presume - a tall robust player) who took two powerful overhead marks to repel the Pies' final 2 attacks in the last minute/s of the game. Yeah, 80 is Keppel and he shows a bit.
Kennedy might have had the most possessions but he did stuff all with them. He looks faster than last year but is still a very slow player who always seems to be under pressure (or being tackled) when he gets the ball so most of his disposals are ineffective hand-passes and scrubby kicks - hard to believe he was a 1st round draft pick. Nick Graham was a better footballer. This is the most disappointing thing I've read here. I had hopes for Kennedy.
Ruck contests were interesting in that the Pies' #45 absolutely dominated against Lobbe, who did most of the 1st half ruckwork, but Phillips jumped all over the top of him and was instrumental in the Blues' win. This is not so bad. I know Lobbe's limitations. I am very glad the Phillips came to party when it was required.
Goddard looked quite good overhead (marking and spoiling), is a nice left foot kick and seems to play with a fair bit of poise. He followed Ben Reid wherever he went but was lucky Reid missed some relatively easy goals. Pace? That was my worry after his injuries. He wasn't that slow as an U18, but... I think he is a chance.
Kerr was effective and should have kicked a couple more goals. However, to me he seems to be a one trick pony - good mark on the lead but not so good overhead unless the ball is kicked to his advantage and lacks mobility when the ball hits the ground.
Stocker was disappointing for a player who cost us so much in the drafting - many of his disposals were as the designated kicker after a behind - he is a beautiful kick but so was Matthew Watson and Stocker didn't seem to have a lot else going for him - no great speed. This is the biggest disappointment from me. I was hoping that Stocker would have the answer to some of our problems.
Macreadie played well at half back but frequently found himself at full back where he was more limited. I like him further up the ground.
Williamson was possibly our best player over the game for his poise, decision making, decisiveness in marking contests, his penetrating kicking and run through the lines from half-back. This is most promising.
Ben Silvagni followed Goldsack around (mostly at half-back) and kept him quiet. Taller, faster, more athletic, a better mark and a much better kick that Jack. Might take a little time but looks okay. Good news as well.
Cottrell and Owies played on the wings. Cottrell did some nice things and seems to have better size and pace than Owies, who doesn't seem quick enough for a player his size.
Lang was much the same as last year - disappointing and not a strong player.
Garlett was similarly unimpressive but looked more interested than Lang.
Fasolo had only a handful of possessions that I can recall but he kicked an excellent goal and twice hit the leading Kerr, lace out. Too slow to provide any small forward tackling pressure (unless someone runs into him) but if he stops trying to do what he was once able to do and plays within his limitations, I think he could still have something to offer around the goals.
Will be interesting to see how Fraser saw the game when his comments come out later in the week.
I went along to the game - old Vic Park was a good place to watch a very competitive game. Big shout out to the Northern player #80 (Keppel, I presume - a tall robust player) who took two powerful overhead marks to repel the Pies' final 2 attacks in the last minute/s of the game.
Kennedy might have had the most possessions but he did stuff all with them. He looks faster than last year but is still a very slow player who always seems to be under pressure (or being tackled) when he gets the ball so most of his disposals are ineffective hand-passes and scrubby kicks - hard to believe he was a 1st round draft pick. Nick Graham was a better footballer.
Ruck contests were interesting in that the Pies' #45 absolutely dominated against Lobbe, who did most of the 1st half ruckwork, but Phillips jumped all over the top of him and was instrumental in the Blues' win.
Goddard looked quite good overhead (marking and spoiling), is a nice left foot kick and seems to play with a fair bit of poise. He followed Ben Reid wherever he went but was lucky Reid missed some relatively easy goals.
Kerr was effective and should have kicked a couple more goals. However, to me he seems to be a one trick pony - good mark on the lead but not so good overhead unless the ball is kicked to his advantage and lacks mobility when the ball hits the ground.
Stocker was disappointing for a player who cost us so much in the drafting - many of his disposals were as the designated kicker after a behind - he is a beautiful kick but so was Matthew Watson and Stocker didn't seem to have a lot else going for him - no great speed.
Macreadie played well at half back but frequently found himself at full back where he was more limited.
Williamson was possibly our best player over the game for his poise, decision making, decisiveness in marking contests, his penetrating kicking and run through the lines from half-back.
Ben Silvagni followed Goldsack around (mostly at half-back) and kept him quiet. Taller, faster, more athletic, a better mark and a much better kick that Jack. Might take a little time but looks okay.
Cottrell and Owies played on the wings. Cottrell did some nice things and seems to have better size and pace than Owies, who doesn't seem quick enough for a player his size.
Lang was much the same as last year - disappointing and not a strong player.
Garlett was similarly unimpressive but looked more interested than Lang.
Fasolo had only a handful of possessions that I can recall but he kicked an excellent goal and twice hit the leading Kerr, lace out. Too slow to provide any small forward tackling pressure (unless someone runs into him) but if he stops trying to do what he was once able to do and plays within his limitations, I think he could still have something to offer around the goals.
Good stuff, Ye Rat O' the River, but I'd expect nothing less young fella ;) :D
Disappointing that Kennedy is a long way off what we expected to get. Ditto Lang.
Wrapped to read your comments on Willo.
Now to the burning question, the imperative question... did you sample the pies at ol' Vic Park, and did I miss anything if so... ;D
One food outlet..... and no pies!!! High end burgers, bratwurst sausage and other fancy fare, but not a pie in sight.
Williamson was possibly our best player over the game for his poise, decision making, decisiveness in marking contests, his penetrating kicking and run through the lines from half-back.
That's all I want to hear! Big, big fan of Tom's.
Kennedy - to suggest Graham is a better player is pure stupidity.
I would imagine he's been copping flak from ALL quarters re his Folau guffaw....his head would be a mess (and why he's not playing 1s). Cut him some slack.
Stocker - 19yo in his second outing with the big boys....again, slack needed!
Great win, almost got there :(
One food outlet..... and no pies!!! High end burgers, bratwurst sausage and other fancy fare, but not a pie in sight.
:)) :)) :)) tragic news, glad I didn't go though it would have been good to see the gutsy win and have a chin wag with RR, who probably saw there were no pies and thought to himself, 'Well, bugger all chance Baggers will turn up today!! :).
Stocker was disappointing for a player who cost us so much in the drafting - many of his disposals were as the designated kicker after a behind - he is a beautiful kick but so was Matthew Watson and Stocker didn't seem to have a lot else going for him - no great speed.
Just gotta pull you up on this point. Currently he hasn't cost us anything.
All it cost us is swapping our first round pick with adelaide this year.
Absolute worst case scenario it means we swap pick 1 to pick 18.....and get stocker.
Best case scenario it means we swapped pick 18 for pick 1....and get stocker.
Reality will be somewhere in the middle.
Early days, sure, but if we win today, and adelaide lose, we jump them on the ladder and have actually IMPROVED our position in the draft, and got Stocker for free.
So the 'cost' is something we won't find out until end of the year....and even then, they might be 'paying' us.
That's inner Melbourne, polluted by man bag toting, scraggy beard wearing, pot gutted hipster spankers. What's the world coming to win you can't get a can of green death and a pie at the footy but you can a vegan chicken biryani and a micro brewery boutique cider.
No wonder the VFL's dead, kill tradition for "progress".
That's inner Melbourne, polluted by man bag toting, scraggy beard wearing, pot gutted hipster spankers. What's the world coming to win you can't get a can of green death and a pie at the footy but you can a vegan chicken biryani and a micro brewery boutique cider.
One for the ages. :)
That's inner Melbourne, polluted by man bag toting, scraggy beard wearing, pot gutted hipster spankers. What's the world coming to win you can't get a can of green death and a pie at the footy but you can a vegan chicken biryani and a micro brewery boutique cider.
No wonder the VFL's dead, kill tradition for "progress".
Classic. Gold. :)) :))
One food outlet..... and no pies!!! High end burgers, bratwurst sausage and other fancy fare, but not a pie in sight.
Definitely NSB (not suitable for Baggers)
:)) :)) :)) tragic news, glad I didn't go though it would have been good to see the gutsy win and have a chin wag with RR, who probably saw there were no pies and thought to himself, 'Well, bugger all chance Baggers will turn up today!! :).
I looked around but gave up after checking out the food vendor.
Kennedy - to suggest Graham is a better player is pure stupidity. Just my opinion and I have yet to see anything to give me any cause to form another one. Kennedy's pace and performance is reminiscent of Brock McLean when he first joined us and Brock worked his butt off to eventually became a useful player so I haven't given up hope that Kennedy will too. Probably suffers from expectations that he has come nowhere near to realizing.
Stocker - 19yo in his second outing with the big boys....again, slack needed! Of course - but having a look at Stocker was one of the main reasons I went along and my expectations were not met.
RR, don't take fly too personally.
He won't really allow a negative opinion.
Stocker will be ok, but we need to finish close to adelaide on the ladder to even out expectations.
The fact that adelaide did that trade suggests the talent at last years draft for this pick was fairly slim and that they'd get the player they wanted at a later pick anyway, and that they thought they could improve this years draft position significantly enough to make the exercise worthwhile.
I've a work associate who is a Filth tragic, he seemed quite impressed by Kennedy. He said he looked rusty but for a first up hitout after injury he got plenty of football and was probably directly responsible for three 2nd half goals that helped win us the game. He said Kennedy hit up two of our forwards in the second half with serious foot passes, I'm assuming Fisher, Palmer or Kerr.
He also said he cannot understand why we have given Fasolo a run ahead of a spot for Fisher, but he may mean Palmer!
Again, Kennedy has not yet had an injury free run at it with us.....
He's just 22 and played 30 odd games, only 12 with us....
https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/video/2015-11-24/matthew-kennedy-highlights
https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/video/2016-06-19/rd-13-matt-kennedy-three-on-debut
RR, don't take fly too personally.
He won't really allow a negative opinion.
Stocker will be ok, but we need to finish close to adelaide on the ladder to even out expectations.
The fact that adelaide did that trade suggests the talent at last years draft for this pick was fairly slim and that they'd get the player they wanted at a later pick anyway, and that they thought they could improve this years draft position significantly enough to make the exercise worthwhile.
I'm sure RR can stand up for himself - and I'm more than happy for players to be criticised.
Many thanks RR.
Comments from those at the game always of great interest.
We all see something different. The AFL media reported Kerr at hero status while Willo got plenty of the ball. Accolades to Goddard named BoG keeping Reid quiet.
Anyways a win's a win and the youngsters have clear indication where their development lies. As for the likes of Garlett and Lang, it's not so promising. Fasolo needs to find some form or he'll be next in line.
Kennedy. Well I think he can play a role but needs some injury free consistency to develop his weaknesses.
I'm sure RR can stand up for himself - and I'm more than happy for players to be criticised.
Relax fly, it's not supposed to be an affront we are just discussing things.
He also said he cannot understand why we have given Fasolo a run ahead of a spot for Fisher, but he may mean Palmer!
Or he may mean Fisher, since he too looks a better proposition than Fas.
Though on that logic he might as well mean you, me or Lance Whitnall at our respective current ages and states of match fitness.
Relax fly, it's not supposed to be an affront we are just discussing things.
I'm relaxed!
Thanks for your insight RR much appreciated, what did you think of Frank Anderson? is he in contention along with Sam Fisher maybe Jessie Palmer for the final place on the list?
I'm relaxed!
Good. Some people are going to be critical, and some people put a bit of time into putting their opinion onto this website. Its usually formed off a perception, and/or data collected to draw a conclusion.
If you would like to debate someone's opinion, feel free, but I don't think words to the following effect provide anything constructive to our discussions.
Kennedy - to suggest Graham is a better player is pure stupidity.
I would imagine he's been copping flak from ALL quarters re his Folau guffaw....his head would be a mess (and why he's not playing 1s). Cut him some slack.
Stocker - 19yo in his second outing with the big boys....again, slack needed!
Fair enough to say cut some slack, not fair to say pure stupidity. You could assert it's a bit of a stretch, but if thats RR's opinion, then he is entitled to it. He made the treck to Victoria Park to watch our boys play. Has been doing it in the VFL for years, and whilst he is happy to contribute his opinion, we should take it all with a grain of salt as it is only one persons opinion, but at the same time be thankful that he is contributing it at all.
He has gotten more right than wrong at this level over the years too. I can't think of a player he has labelled as not doing that well that actually bucked the trend, and from memory was a bit of a fan of Kane Lambert when he was playing with Northern.
You clearly don't have an ex wife like mine Thry! ;)
You clearly don't have an ex wife like mine Thry! ;)
I don't now your ex wife, but I know my current wife, and there is still time yet....
:D
I have always appreciated RiverRat’s brutal analyses of NBs players but everyone sees the game differently and I am looking forward to Josh Fraser’s report.
I’m not sure whether Matthew Kennedy will have an impact at our club but, in the limited, injury-hampered time he has had so far, he has shown a great deal more than Nick Graham ever did. He may be a depth player but we won’t lose much if Kennedy gets a call up.
Kerr impresses me as a bloke who reads the game well and gets to where the ball is heading. He also makes good decisions and has a footballer’s head on his shoulders.
I know that statistics can be misleading but it’s worth looking at the hitout stats; Phillips - 30, Lynch - 28, Lobbe - 23, and Reid - 6. Lynch did get a lot of the ball (17 disposals to 17 by Phillips and Lobbe) but Lobbe kicked a goal and probably should have got more.
As for Fasolo, it is quite clear that he was added to the list to provide an experienced head and reliable goal kicker. It’s a bit early to write him off but I would be more than happy for our youngsters to keep him out of the 22.
Thanks for your insight RR much appreciated, what did you think of Frank Anderson? is he in contention along with Sam Fisher maybe Jessie Palmer for the final place on the list?
That was the first VFL game I made it to this year so I was focused on the large number of Carlton-listed players, many of whom I hadn't seem before. Accordingly, I really didn't notice what the Northern players were doing - with the exception of Keppel who was quite imposing when he had a chance to get some playing time.
He has gotten more right than wrong at this level over the years too. I can't think of a player he has labelled as not doing that well that actually bucked the trend, and from memory was a bit of a fan of Kane Lambert when he was playing with Northern.
Thanks for the kind words Thry - much appreciated - and you are right about Kane Lambert; I was a big fan when he was with the Knights, the Blues and the Seagulls - I can also begrudgingly appreciate him now that he is with the tiggers.
Josh Fraser's review:
7. Matthew Kennedy
Stats: 24 disposals, 13 clearances, four tackles
Disposals: Matty started the game slowly, but to his credit he worked his way into it and had a big impact around stoppages. He continued to play to his strengths and gave us good opportunities with clearance work. He ended up being a solid contributor on the day.
13. Liam Stocker
Stats: 20 disposals, nine rebound 50s
From the coach: We’re seeing growth each week from Stock. He’s learning how to position himself as a defender and learning to play on different types of players. He’s got no issue finding the ball and setting us up: he’s showing exciting signs with his development.
16. Darcy Lang
Stats: Eight disposals, three marks
From the coach: Darcy was in and out of the game: we have to remember he’s still building his minutes. He played more time up forward and on the wing, and he showed glimpses of what he’s capable of: he’ll become more consistent with more footy.
21. Jarrod Garlett
Stats: Seven disposals, three clearances
From the coach: He had moments which were important in our front half which came on the back of his pressure. He was unselfish to set up Matt Owies for our first goal, so there was a team element to what he was doing. It’s about consistency with Jarrod: the small forward role can be difficult but we need him to continue applying pressure as we saw in stages on the weekend.
26. Harrison Macreadie
Stats: 17 disposals, six marks, four rebound 50s
From the coach: I was really impressed with his return to playing football. The preparation both he and the high performance staff have put in is a credit to them, he was able to perform as soon as he came back in. He played on Goldsack and Reid so he had a few different looks there. I was really impressed with his intercept marking in the air and he made good decisions.
27. Matthew Lobbe
Stats: 6 disposals, 23 hitouts, One goal
From the coach: Similar to Andrew Phillips, Matty was a little slow to get going but his leading patterns as a forward were encouraging. Once he found his rhythm in the ruck, he gave our mids a good look at stoppages. We can’t underestimate his role through the leadership he has amongst the group.
31. Tom Williamson
Stats: 15 disposals, seven handball receives, five rebound 50s
From the coach: Similar to Macreadie, ‘Willo’ has done a power of work to get back — from the outset, we were able to see how sharp and clean he was. He’s a genuine competitor and puts himself in the contest. You can see his talent and we’re really excited about him, I was rapt to see him get through.
32. Alex Fasolo
Stats: Nine disposals, One goal, Two goal assists
From the coach: He was really clever in front half. Not getting massive reward through numbers but he’s giving opposition headaches and set up a number of opportunities, applied good pressure. All about consistency, really pleased with what he’s been able to do from a performance and leadership/culture element
34. Andrew Phillips
Stats: 11 disposals, four marks (three contested), 30 hitouts
From the coach: I thought Flip’s first half was a little slow, he took a while to get back into it and find his rhythm. Once he did, he grew in confidence and took some big marks and gave our midfielders first use. He turned into an important contributor on the day for us.
36. Patrick Kerr
Stats: 13 disposals, seven marks, four inside 50s, 3.2
From the coach: I liked his game. He presented at the ball all day, showed clean hands and he had a presence in front half, both in the air and through his willingness to work. He ended up with five scoring shots while setting up a couple, and ended up kicking the last goal to give us the lead. I thought his game was really solid.
37. Ben Silvagni
Stats: 13 disposals, four marks, three rebound 50s
From the coach: Benny keeps getting better. His understanding of his role and our system gets better each week. He showed good composure with ball in hand — we’re happy with development from week-to-week and he will keep getting better with experience.
44. Matthew Owies
Stats: Six disposals, one goal
From the coach: He had some exciting moments where he got to the fall of ball really well, and each week he’s getting better. It was a really good moment for him to kick his first goal, which was also our first of the game We need to remember his background, he hasn’t had a lot of exposure to footy — it’s all learning for him.
45. Hugh Goddard
Stats: 18 disposals, eight marks, four spoils
From the coach: Hugh was really important for us: he has been since he’s arrived. I can’t remember a time he lost consecutive one on ones: he was able to respond each time. His leadership and stability has been really important, he’s making others - including some younger teammates - better around him.
46. Matthew Cottrell
Stats: 10 disposals, four marks
From the coach: It was a first taste of VFL footy for Matty, who ran good patterns on the wing. His ability to run and endure was pleasing, and he’ll keep finding more of the footy as he gets more comfortable with his role. He executed with ball in hand, and first-up we were pretty happy with his performance.
Promising.
There's a few on there that give us plenty of depth for a change and some, like Williamson, who'll be in the team once their fitness levels and game time are up to scratch. I had high hopes for Garlett given his form in the WAFL before we drafted him with a nothing pick anyway, but he's done absolutely nothing IMHO and doesn't look up to the top level. The comparison with McLean for Kennedy is a good one actually. But we gave up a bit to get them both and Kennedy needs to show a bit more. Similarly, Lang has disappointed so far, albeit with lots of injuries. We seem to have had a habit recently of picking up blokes from other clubs who are continually injured. I still hold out hope that Fasolo can get back into the best 22 as he's very clever around goals and for a small/medium type forward, we don't have many of those.
There's a few on there that give us plenty of depth for a change and some, like Williamson, who'll be in the team once their fitness levels and game time are up to scratch. I had high hopes for Garlett given his form in the WAFL before we drafted him with a nothing pick anyway, but he's done absolutely nothing IMHO and doesn't look up to the top level. The comparison with McLean for Kennedy is a good one actually. But we gave up a bit to get them both and Kennedy needs to show a bit more. Similarly, Lang has disappointed so far, albeit with lots of injuries. We seem to have had a habit recently of picking up blokes from other clubs who are continually injured. I still hold out hope that Fasolo can get back into the best 22 as he's very clever around goals and for a small/medium type forward, we don't have many of those.
Good reading. Reckon you're spot on, Rider of Waves from the West. :)
Now that the NBs are playing at PP this Saturday, anyone thinking of heading along?
What strikes me the most, for the first time in a long time I'm buoyed by the number of key position players we have as depth. Two afl quality rucks (even if not quite up to being the number 1), two good sized promising young key defenders, one that's shown plenty at AFL level, one key forward who looks like he could play at AFL level and has looked comfortable enough (kerr).
We didn't have this many bonafide options through most of the noughties combined. At one point our key position players consisted of fevola, Thornton, bower, Jamieson, and no one else of note.
What strikes me the most, for the first time in a long time I'm buoyed by the number of key position players we have as depth. Two afl quality rucks (even if not quite up to being the number 1), two good sized promising young key defenders, one that's shown plenty at AFL level, one key forward who looks like he could play at AFL level and has looked comfortable enough (kerr).
We didn't have this many bonafide options through most of the noughties combined. At one point our key position players consisted of fevola, Thornton, bower, Jamieson, and no one else of note.
Yes, it is that depth that will determine our fortunes Thry.
Having a competitive VFL side with lots of youngsters pressing for AFL selection is a vital step towards the next premiership.
What strikes me the most, for the first time in a long time I'm buoyed by the number of key position players we have as depth. Two afl quality rucks (even if not quite up to being the number 1), two good sized promising young key defenders, one that's shown plenty at AFL level, one key forward who looks like he could play at AFL level and has looked comfortable enough (kerr).
We didn't have this many bonafide options through most of the noughties combined. At one point our key position players consisted of fevola, Thornton, bower, Jamieson, and no one else of note.
Don't forget O'Hailpin!
I can't believe nobody wanted Casboult last offseason. How many other clubs would kill for a key position forward that can take contested marks and support in the ruck right now? Dees, Hawks, Port, Dogs, Norf, GC, and plenty more.
Don't forget O'Hailpin!
I can't believe nobody wanted Casboult last offseason. How many other clubs would kill for a key position forward that can take contested marks and support in the ruck right now? Dees, Hawks, Port, Dogs, Norf, GC, and plenty more.
Casboult was shopped around. Nobody wanted him!
Casboult was shopped around. Nobody wanted him!
Which is why I said: I can't believe nobody wanted Casboult last offseason.
Crazy stuff.
Casboult was shopped around. Nobody wanted him!
How hard though Kruddler?
SOS talked up Casboult’s role as back up ruck and, as it turned out, he has been pretty good insurance so far this season.
Casboult was shopped around. Nobody wanted him!
Many actually believe the negative tripe is all there is to him.
Many actually believe the negative tripe is all there is to him.
his finishing has been a real problem, and up until this year hes been fairly one dimensional.
We are covering that better now. I expect he'll have more suitors at the end of this season after putting in his career best.
How hard though Kruddler?
SOS talked up Casboult’s role as back up ruck and, as it turned out, he has been pretty good insurance so far this season.
Hard enough that it meant we had to cut Rowe instead.
Casboult IS insurance....and little more.
This year we will likely lose him for free via free agency and get sfa in compo for him ala Waite.
Casboult's set shot kicking has been much improved over the last few years (since Sav Rocca spent a lot of time working with him). Right now he's a better set shot than McKay from what I've seen this season
Hard enough that it meant we had to cut Rowe instead.
Casboult IS insurance....and little more.
This year we will likely lose him for free via free agency and get sfa in compo for him ala Waite.
Agree, a KP forward poor club will offer Levi a little bit more than us and given SOS tried to trade him out for two years running
I cant see us offering him more regardless of form.
Agree, a KP forward poor club will offer Levi a little bit more than us and given SOS tried to trade him out for two years running
I cant see us offering him more regardless of form.
Especially if Kerr starts to show something?
Casboult's set shot kicking has been much improved over the last few years (since Sav Rocca spent a lot of time working with him). Right now he's a better set shot than McKay from what I've seen this season
It would want to be, one of them has been in the system a decade, the other has just played 20 games!
Especially if Kerr starts to show something?
Yep and I think young DeKoning would also be part of the thinking that we dont need Levi anymore......saying that
I'd be more inclined to keep Levi than Lobbe who is finished IMO.
Melbourne thought they didn't need Hogan either. Weideman hasn't had a kick since.
Melbourne thought they didn't need Hogan either. Weideman hasn't had a kick since.
Yes, that is very analogous to the current Carlton KPF situation, they are greater than the sum of the individual components.
Yep and I think young DeKoning would also be part of the thinking that we dont need Levi anymore......saying that
I'd be more inclined to keep Levi than Lobbe who is finished IMO.
Yes, that could give Levi another year.
Melbourne thought they didn't need Hogan either. Weideman hasn't had a kick since.
And wants big bucks now
Should have spent it on Hogan
Hard enough that it meant we had to cut Rowe instead.
Casboult IS insurance....and little more.
This year we will likely lose him for free via free agency and get sfa in compo for him ala Waite.
That's probably accurate knowing the AFL's form. I'd love a second rounder back for him - but lets face it - that aint gonna happen.
Career stats: 120 goals / 89 behinds - almost identical accuracy % to Buddy.
Yep and I think young DeKoning would also be part of the thinking that we dont need Levi anymore......saying that
I'd be more inclined to keep Levi than Lobbe who is finished IMO.
x400.
That's probably accurate knowing the AFL's form. I'd love a second rounder back for him - but lets face it - that aint gonna happen.
Career stats: 120 goals / 89 behinds - almost identical accuracy % to Buddy.
I think that sort of goal kicking accuracy is acceptable when you kick as many goals as Buddy :)
I think that sort of goal kicking accuracy is acceptable when you kick as many goals as Buddy :)
It's within a few % of Fev for example. Nobody would say it's great but better than Travis Cloke.
That's probably accurate knowing the AFL's form. I'd love a second rounder back for him - but lets face it - that aint gonna happen.
Career stats: 120 goals / 89 behinds - almost identical accuracy % to Buddy.
One thing that is almost always missed when looking at kicking % in regards to Casboult is 'out on the full'.
Look at the afl website for accurate stat's on that. It includes shots missed altogether which most sites do not
Round 4 team in. http://northernbluesfc.com.au/?p=7133
Interesting to note the article says that all named on the Carlton extended bench are named in the squad, but neither Charlie Curnow nor Kade Simpsons's names appear in the Northern squad - does this mean they are out of the Blues line-up and just named as a smokescreen, or does it mean they are both locks to be in the Carlton 22? I suspect the latter.
One thing that is almost always missed when looking at kicking % in regards to Casboult is 'out on the full'.
Look at the afl website for accurate stat's on that. It includes shots missed altogether which most sites do not
Even factoring that in he's still roughly the same as Buddy... Wingard, Balantyne, Dusty, Higgins, Stringer, Daniher, Murphy, Beams, Zorko..... the list goes on and on and on. It's a just an average AFL footballers goal kicking accuracy.
Round 4 team in. http://northernbluesfc.com.au/?p=7133
Interesting to note the article says that all named on the Carlton extended bench are named in the squad, but neither Charlie Curnow nor Kade Simpsons's names appear in the Northern squad - does this mean they are out of the Blues line-up and just named as a smokescreen, or does it mean they are both locks to be in the Carlton 22? I suspect the latter.
Yes, noted that. Seems strange because it is normal practice......must be absolute locks, you’d assume.
One thing that is almost always missed when looking at kicking % in regards to Casboult is 'out on the full'.
Look at the afl website for accurate stat's on that. It includes shots missed altogether which most sites do not
So what does that stat say for Levi?
Pray tell....
So what does that stat say for Levi?
Pray tell....
I gotta spoon feed it to you?
https://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I281124,CD_I240399,CD_I992786&comparisonTab=h2h
Levi
120.89 = 57.1%
Actual % = 49%
Buddy
928.669 = 58.1%
Actual = 51.2%
I'd like to be able to see a set shot breakdown as Levi is clearly a better mark compared to Buddy, so would have more shots from marks (closer in at least) as a result. Buddy is obviously a lot more agile and gets more in-play shots, which are harder by comparison.
EDIT:
Further to the above 15% of Casboults shots don't score.
Compared to 11% of Buddys shots don't score.
I gotta spoon feed it to you?
https://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I281124,CD_I240399,CD_I992786&comparisonTab=h2h
Levi
120.89 = 57.1%
Actual % = 49%
Buddy
928.669 = 58.1%
Actual = 51.2%
I'd like to be able to see a set shot breakdown as Levi is clearly a better mark compared to Buddy, so would have more shots from marks (closer in at least) as a result. Buddy is obviously a lot more agile and gets more in-play shots, which are harder by comparison.
EDIT:
Further to the above 15% of Casboults shots don't score.
Compared to 11% of Buddys shots don't score.
So you're saying Levi misses (entirely) in every 6 shots at goal?
The same site lists Buddy at 199cm - that's BS. Someone is trying to rewrite history!
He's 195cm ish.
I say the data is unreliable at best.
I gotta spoon feed it to you?
https://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I281124,CD_I240399,CD_I992786&comparisonTab=h2h
Levi
120.89 = 57.1%
Actual % = 49%
Buddy
928.669 = 58.1%
Actual = 51.2%
I'd like to be able to see a set shot breakdown as Levi is clearly a better mark compared to Buddy, so would have more shots from marks (closer in at least) as a result. Buddy is obviously a lot more agile and gets more in-play shots, which are harder by comparison.
EDIT:
Further to the above 15% of Casboults shots don't score.
Compared to 11% of Buddys shots don't score.
Yeah - so he's within 1% or 2.2% depending on which stat you prefer. Who cares?
His kicking accuracy is pretty normal.
Further to the above 15% of Casboults shots don't score.
Compared to 11% of Buddys shots don't score.
Dodgy stats!
Who determines whether it is a shot at goal or a kick to the hotspot?
Are kicks that don’t make the distance counted?
Are kicks that bounce out of bounds counted the same as kicks that go out on the full? What about shots at goal that are punched out of bounds?
What about shots that are touched on the goal line? Is distance as important as accuracy?
If I had to choose between Levi and Buddy to nail an after the siren shot at goal to win a grand final, I think that I might just choose Levi in a best of a bad bunch scenario :)
One thing that is almost always missed when looking at kicking % in regards to Casboult is 'out on the full'.
Look at the afl website for accurate stat's on that. It includes shots missed altogether which most sites do not
What about misses from the top of the goal square, I wonder how they would compare on that! Or the uncounted stat, the one when a dodgy kick doesn't score or go out of bounds but fails to make the distance from inside the 50m arc!
What about misses from the top of the goal square, I wonder how they would compare on that! Or the uncounted stat, the one when a dodgy kick doesn't score or go out of bounds but fails to make the distance from inside the 50m arc!
Yes, Buddy would be far worse than Levi in all of those situations. However, the fact that he has a hell of a lot more shots at goal means that he has greater scoreboard impact, and that’s what counts.
So you're saying Levi misses (entirely) in every 6 shots at goal?
The same site lists Buddy at 199cm - that's BS. Someone is trying to rewrite history!
He's 195cm ish.
I say the data is unreliable at best.
Dodgy stats!
Who determines whether it is a shot at goal or a kick to the hotspot?
Are kicks that don’t make the distance counted?
Are kicks that bounce out of bounds counted the same as kicks that go out on the full? What about shots at goal that are punched out of bounds?
What about shots that are touched on the goal line? Is distance as important as accuracy?
If I had to choose between Levi and Buddy to nail an after the siren shot at goal to win a grand final, I think that I might just choose Levi in a best of a bad bunch scenario :)
Yeah - so he's within 1% or 2.2% depending on which stat you prefer. Who cares?
His kicking accuracy is pretty normal.
Yeah, sure. Levi is a wonderful kick at goal. Statisticians are biased against him. It's all a conspiracy!
....or maybe not.
FWIW, for those bagging out Harrys kicking...
He has a better conversion rate than Casboult.
Its when and where you kick your goals and the state of the game, Levi has missed too many goals that matter.
I dont care if he kicks six straight in a game where we win by 10 goals and had control of the game for 4 quarters(fictitious I know), its those soul destroying games where he gets that 30m shot in front and misses when its vital for momentum and impact on the result.
Comparing Buddy to Levi - too funny. I had to check my calendar to see if it was still the off season, when absurd discussions and comparisons abound. And I'm not a Levi hater.
Its when and where you kick your goals and the state of the game, Levi has missed too many goals that matter.
I dont care if he kicks six straight in a game where we win by 10 goals and had control of the game for 4 quarters(fictitious I know), its those soul destroying games where he gets that 30m shot in front and misses when its vital for momentum and impact on the result.
In fairness to Levi he kicks some team lifting goals as well, it's just the ratio of soul-breakers to heart-lifters is all wrong.
Comparing Buddy to Levi - too funny. I had to check my calendar to see if it was still the off season, when absurd discussions and comparisons abound. And I'm not a Levi hater.
Just mentioning how Casboult's goal kicking accuracy is pretty normal over the course of his career. Nobody seems to keen on this point however. Nobody is saying he's comparable to Buddy as a footballer.
Dangerfield is a rank kick and makes a lot of bad decisions with ball in hand, but many people reckon he's in the top three players in the league.
Dangerfield is a rank kick and makes a lot of bad decisions with ball in hand, but many people reckon he's in the top three players in the league.
Dangerfield bombs the ball long like Robinson, in fact once he gets hold of the ball Dangerfield disposes of it a lot like Mitch Robinson did when he was at Carlton. The main difference between the two is the way Dangerfield works and competes to win the football, he is an average ball user compared to someone like Ablett Jnr, but if you include disposal efficiency I'm afraid Dangerfield is ordinary at best. He gets away with a lot because he usually send the ball 60m forward out of the trouble zone, if some kid did that the scribes would beat up on them!
But coaches don't seem to rate that, which is ironic because coaches always tell you they can turn an athlete into a footballer. Yet they can't rate ball use highly, proof is when you see them giving McKay top votes in the AFLCA despite a couple of horrible misses.
Just mentioning how Casboult's goal kicking accuracy is pretty normal over the course of his career. Nobody seems to keen on this point however. Nobody is saying he's comparable to Buddy as a footballer.
Comparing to Buddy as how he is normal, is like comparing success with St. Kilda.
Buddy Franklin sits in 2nd place, on the behinds kicked in a game by a single player record with 11.
He kicked 2.11 against the dogs in 2007.
No, it wasn't weather related as it was played at the docklands.
Taking out his 2.11 the rest of the players managed a combined 30.12.
Buddy has kicked 6 behinds or more in a game on 16 occassions.
Yes, he gets a lot of shots on goal, but only 2 of those 16 occassions did he kick more goals than behinds.
Of people to compare Casboult to in order to get a 'normal/average' comparison with, Buddy is one of the worst.
Comparing to Buddy as how he is normal, is like comparing success with St. Kilda.
Buddy Franklin sits in 2nd place, on the behinds kicked in a game by a single player record with 11.
He kicked 2.11 against the dogs in 2007.
No, it wasn't weather related as it was played at the docklands.
Taking out his 2.11 the rest of the players managed a combined 30.12.
Buddy has kicked 6 behinds or more in a game on 16 occassions.
Yes, he gets a lot of shots on goal, but only 2 of those 16 occassions did he kick more goals than behinds.
Of people to compare Casboult to in order to get a 'normal/average' comparison with, Buddy is one of the worst.
Yes, Buddy's value is winning the football, he wins more contests than he loses and he is a contested football monster. If Levi won the one on one contests like Buddy we wouldn't give a rats ar5e about the kicking problems. But claiming he statistically kicks it like Buddy is very deceptive, Franklin can hit a 60m away team-mate on the run lace out after beating multiple opponents at ground level.
Dangerfield is a rank kick and makes a lot of bad decisions with ball in hand, but many people reckon he's in the top three players in the league.
His good far outweighs his bad and it’s overlooked.
If Levi kicked as many goals as Buddy (I wish!), his goal kicking accuracy wouldn’t be an issue. Although Fev’s poster from 30 metres out against the Hawks is indelibly etched in my memory ????
Although Fev’s poster from 30 metres out against the Hawks is indelibly etched in my memory ????
Fev's stand out because of how rare it is, Levi has had so many they don't stand out at all! ;D
What would Fev's ratio of Gooduns to Baduns be, he's probably one of the best KPP kicks for goal in the last 30 years? Right up there in my opinion with Dunstall and Lockett, who are probably the best KPF kicks I've ever seen!
It's like defining Sticks by that miss!
In general of all players I'd have to say Wayne Johnston was the best big moment goal kicker I've ever seen, but Fev wasn't far behind.
His good far outweighs his bad and it’s overlooked.
If Levi kicked as many goals as Buddy (I wish!), his goal kicking accuracy wouldn’t be an issue. Although Fev’s poster from 30 metres out against the Hawks is indelibly etched in my memory ????
That poster aside, yes i was there too :-[, Fev was uncanny at standing up when it mattered. The opposite to Casboult.
Who could forget Adelaide?
Dangerfield is a rank kick and makes a lot of bad decisions with ball in hand, but many people reckon he's in the top three players in the league.
Dangerfield would make a good NBA player...in the NBA if you are a star and it looks good you get away with it , he does have a nice kicking style, but you are right he misses a lot
of goals and sprays the ball by foot on the run also a lot. You compare that to Pendlebury who hardly wastes a disposal but if you asked average joe who was the better player most would
choose Dangerfield IMO as he is remembered for all the big plays he makes but not for his mistakes which are many.
Dangerfield would make a good NBA player...in the NBA if you are a star and it looks good you get away with it , he does have a nice kicking style, but you are right he misses a lot
of goals and sprays the ball by foot on the run also a lot. You compare that to Pendlebury who hardly wastes a disposal but if you asked average joe who was the better player most would
choose Dangerfield IMO as he is remembered for all the big plays he makes but not for his mistakes which are many.
I coached a girl at Diamond Valley who was like that. She tried all sorts of ambitious passes and shots and her cheer squad, led by the doting parents, would remark that the intended target should have got the pass or the shot was unlucky and her teammates should have got the offensive rebound. She transferred to a "better team" when we didn't make Vic Championship and, boy, was I glad to see the back of her and her family :)
As I said earlier, Dangerfield's good outweighs his bad and those clutch goals he manages cancel out the Robbo-style bombs and missed targets. And I think that you have to give coalface players a little leeway with disposal efficiency - unless your name is Samo :)
I coached a girl at Diamond Valley who was like that. She tried all sorts of ambitious passes and shots and her cheer squad, led by the doting parents, would remark that the intended target should have got the pass or the shot was unlucky and her teammates should have got the offensive rebound. She transferred to a "better team" when we didn't make Vic Championship and, boy, was I glad to see the back of her and her family :)
As I said earlier, Dangerfield's good outweighs his bad and those clutch goals he manages cancel out the Robbo-style bombs and missed targets. And I think that you have to give coalface players a little leeway with disposal efficiency - unless your name is Samo :)
DJ...Ever run across a coach named John Moore at Diamond Valley? Would have coached VC or Metro 1 boys
DJ...Ever run across a coach named John Moore at Diamond Valley? Would have coached VC or Metro 1 boys
No, the girls program was run quite separately from the boys program and I didn't really know any of the coaches.