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Title: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: crashlander on February 09, 2021, 07:50:33 pm
Carlton plays the Drug Cheats at 11:00 at Carlton on Thursday 25th Feb, two days before my 60th Birthday.
The only problem is that the game will be a closed session. No spectators allowed.  ::)  ::)
At least the new guys get a chance to pull on the guernsey against ...

Interesting to see how Saad goes against his old team.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 10, 2021, 08:23:55 am
Carlton plays the Drug Cheats at 11:00 at Carlton on Thursday 25th Feb, two days before my 60th Birthday.
The only problem is that the game will be a closed session. No spectators allowed.  ::)  ::)
At least the new guys get a chance to pull on the guernsey against ...

Interesting to see how Saad goes against his old team.
 Sorry they are rebranding to "The Spice Club", ................. is that name already taken? :o
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: cookie2 on February 10, 2021, 08:28:48 am
Sorry they are rebranding to "The Spice Club", ................. is that name already taken? :o
::)

Better than  "The Spice Girls"?
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 21, 2021, 05:56:50 pm
So you can watch it now!

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/865883/carlton-essendon-practice-match-to-be-live-streamed
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: crashlander on February 21, 2021, 07:36:20 pm
So you can watch it now!

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/865883/carlton-essendon-practice-match-to-be-live-streamed
Pity my internet isn't working properly. Someone will have to give us a good report. :)
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 22, 2021, 01:15:56 pm
Casboult, McGovern, De Koning, Pittonet, Charlie, all out or under injury clouds.

I'm pegging Moore will ruck, I hope we're not tempted to ruck Harry or Cripps against CheatsFC?

SpecialK might have to get a run! :o

Thankfully we aren't playing against the Aints, we don't need Roughead monstering our players! ;D
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: WASurfer on February 22, 2021, 02:09:36 pm
Just read that Newman has injured his knee again....any updates?
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: DJC on February 22, 2021, 03:57:09 pm
Just read that Newman has injured his knee again....any updates?

There's an item on the club website - inflammation behind the kneecap that shouldn't delay his preparation but he'll probably miss the practice match.

Definitely missing are Casboult, Charlie, de Koning, Marchbank, Kemp, McGovern and Philp.  Eddie is line ball.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: WASurfer on February 22, 2021, 04:03:18 pm
Possibly not the right forum but now small forward Ben Crocker also training with the club???....with a serious shortage of ruckman and key defenders if injuries hit in those areas, do we need another small forward?
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: townsendcalling on February 22, 2021, 04:21:01 pm
Possibly not the right forum but now small forward Ben Crocker also training with the club???....with a serious shortage of ruckman and key defenders if injuries hit in those areas, do we need another small forward?

I think he's signed up with the twos??
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: crashlander on February 24, 2021, 02:35:51 pm
I think he's signed up with the twos??
That's correct.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 24, 2021, 05:28:14 pm
So you can watch it now!

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/865883/carlton-essendon-practice-match-to-be-live-streamed
Carlton Members only, lets see if they email me a link.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 24, 2021, 05:55:06 pm
I know, I know, its a flaming' pre season scratch match, but if we put up a crap showing against this mob Ill spew up.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Baggers on February 24, 2021, 06:24:57 pm
Carlton Members only, lets see if they email me a link.

I got my link email at 5:06 today.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 24, 2021, 06:26:02 pm
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/867467
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 24, 2021, 06:29:56 pm
A full replay will be available to all after the game.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 24, 2021, 06:34:09 pm
I got my link email at 5:06 today.
Still waiting for mine.

Still waiting for my 'free membership' for the missus too.

 ::)
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Lods on February 24, 2021, 06:42:53 pm
Still waiting for mine.

Still waiting for my 'free membership' for the missus too.

 ::)

Check your clutter and junk mail kruds...mine came through on clutter.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 24, 2021, 06:49:15 pm
Check your clutter and junk mail kruds...mine came through on clutter.
Did.
Twice.
Nothing.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 24, 2021, 07:18:31 pm
Did.
Twice.
Nothing.
Same, nada, just an email from CFC confirming Swan Mckay has been made a Legend of the Carlton Football Club.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 24, 2021, 07:33:00 pm
Same, nada, just an email from CFC confirming Swan Mckay has been made a Legend of the Carlton Football Club.

Yep got that one not too long ago.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: flyboy77 on February 25, 2021, 06:48:50 am
Pity my internet isn't working properly. Someone will have to give us a good report. :)

They have said they'll upload the whole game to the CFC website post match too.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: flyboy77 on February 25, 2021, 06:49:45 am
Same, nada, just an email from CFC confirming Swan Mckay has been made a Legend of the Carlton Football Club.

Mine came well before the Swan email....

Ring the Club!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 25, 2021, 07:01:09 am
Mine came well before the Swan email....

Ring the Club!
I emailed them yesterday, might ring as you suggested this morning.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: rocky on February 25, 2021, 07:18:44 am
I emailed them yesterday, might ring as you suggested this morning.
Please let us know how you go G2C as I haven't received the link either.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 25, 2021, 09:05:06 am
Please let us know how you go G2C as I haven't received the link either.
They replied and sent me a link, best you call as the it starts at 10.55am.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: rocky on February 25, 2021, 09:23:36 am
Thanks G2C. Rang them and they sent me a link.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: DJC on February 25, 2021, 10:03:30 am
I didn't get the link or the Swan McKay email.  I sent an email this morning and got an immediate response with the link.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: spf on February 25, 2021, 11:17:57 am
Number 30 today is Callum Moore.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 11:32:53 am
A few of the new blokes were ok in that first qtr as did Paddy Dow.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: tonyo on February 25, 2021, 11:41:11 am
Zac Fisher an early contender for worst hairdo.  Looks like a bonsai Sticks.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 25, 2021, 11:41:57 am
A few of the new blokes were ok in that first qtr as did Paddy Dow.
If someone can keep those of us who are working updated it'll be appreciated. I can check a feed, but watching a video might be a bridge too far!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 11:43:42 am
If someone can keep those of us who are working updated it'll be appreciated. I can check a feed, but watching a video might be a bridge too far!
We're winning 33-19 early in the 2nd. We are pretty scrappy going forward, as you would be in one of these.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Sexybronco on February 25, 2021, 11:44:40 am
Nice burst out of the middle by Dow, and then a classy spot up by Murphy in the next play sequence to give Pittonet an easy goal.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Sexybronco on February 25, 2021, 11:47:37 am
3rd goal for the quarter finished off by Cunningham after a great string of link up play
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 11:48:13 am
Murphy's using it well at half forward.

Cunningham just goaled. 39-19.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: tonyo on February 25, 2021, 11:50:38 am
Fisher (despite the hair) looking very sharp.

Fogarty also.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 25, 2021, 11:52:27 am
If someone can keep those of us who are working updated it'll be appreciated. I can check a feed, but watching a video might be a bridge too far!

The CFC twitter page is not bad for this game. Seems to be updated quite regularly.

https://twitter.com/CarltonFC?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 11:57:58 am
40-33.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 25, 2021, 11:59:21 am
The CFC twitter page is not bad for this game. Seems to be updated quite regularly.

https://twitter.com/CarltonFC?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Cheers, I didn't think of Twitter I don't really use it.

Twitter is generally what I refer to as a "Short serve of sh1te!"
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 25, 2021, 12:03:07 pm
Cheers, I didn't think of Twitter I don't really use it.

Twitter is generally what I refer to as a "Short serve of sh1te!"

Yes, and just as I typed that, the Twitter updater team has stopped updating.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 12:04:51 pm
Up 40-37 at half time. 2nd half of that qtr was crap.

Like what I see of Saad and Williams.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: tonyo on February 25, 2021, 12:19:49 pm
Footage of Hurley hobbling around the boundary on crutches, looks like he is almost shot- reckon if he plays much footy this year it would be a miracle.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 25, 2021, 12:20:20 pm
I never got an email, but I got a link sent to my phone via text.

Seen majority of it and we look like we havnt played a game in forever.

Dow did some nice things and then forgot he is playing afl and gets run down while jogging forward.....still needs to get the speed of the game!

Saad will be a good pickup, still learning his team mates though.

Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: tonyo on February 25, 2021, 12:29:02 pm
Down 44-40 - we have gone to sleep. 

I have to say that a couple of the Essendon youngsters look pretty good.

But Fogarty looks like a winner too.....
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 25, 2021, 12:31:21 pm
Back in front 46-44.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 25, 2021, 12:32:32 pm
52-44.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 12:33:03 pm
Back in front 46-40. Newnes flushed it from 50. Until then we let Essendon have a run on of 3-7 to us 0.1. Bit like last year there.

52-44 now after a Cripps mark and goal.


Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 25, 2021, 12:41:53 pm
61-44.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 25, 2021, 12:43:08 pm
Our boys look like men now. They all look thicker.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 12:48:33 pm
74-44. Williams just nailed one.

80-44. Dow got a clever one. Having a great game. Has 2.






Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 25, 2021, 12:48:39 pm
74-44

All the playit direction
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 25, 2021, 12:49:15 pm
Dow gets a sneaky one.

Well play r1
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 12:55:06 pm
80-50 at 3/4 time. They got a free on the siren.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: cookie2 on February 25, 2021, 12:55:37 pm
Does anyone know if the replay will be shown on Kayo?
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 25, 2021, 01:01:44 pm
Does anyone know if the replay will be shown on Kayo?

I think the CFC website will have a replay for everyone, not just members, after the game.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 25, 2021, 01:06:02 pm
Nice to see us attacking the top of the square more, that's where we can hurt teams from.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 25, 2021, 01:06:41 pm
87-56.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 01:07:13 pm
Does anyone know if the replay will be shown on Kayo?
You can see the replay on the Carlton club site after.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 01:09:50 pm
93-62.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 25, 2021, 01:13:11 pm
Sounds like not much opposition today, have they've run out of boost juice over at CheatsFC?
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: tonyo on February 25, 2021, 01:15:09 pm
94-74
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 25, 2021, 01:17:00 pm
94-74
In the old days, in pre-season we would play 1/2-a-game to get 10 goals up, then run out the country footballers and end up losing by 3! ;D
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 01:18:22 pm
Paddy Dow's upper body strength has improved heaps. Stood right up in that tackle.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 25, 2021, 01:19:44 pm
Paddy Dow's upper body strength has improved heaps. Stood right up in that tackle.
Side by side Big H is making Cripps look lightweight! :o

Given H's aggressive nature, it must be intimidating for defenders, a bit like a starving individual standing behind Sticks in the buffet line!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 01:23:43 pm
We win 95-74.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: crashlander on February 25, 2021, 01:24:46 pm
We win 95-74.
Excellent!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 25, 2021, 01:27:15 pm
H hurt his ankle at the end, seemed minor, trodden on think. We seem to have hit the man and tackled a lot better than I have seen in the past.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: shawny on February 25, 2021, 01:28:07 pm
Word is Harry injured his ankle. Finished most of the last quarter on the bench.

Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: capcom on February 25, 2021, 01:28:25 pm
Thank you all for the updates :)  Terrific when you're blind to it all.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 01:36:49 pm
Word is Harry injured his ankle. Finished most of the last quarter on the bench.
He wasn't limping when walking on the ground after the game.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: DJC on February 25, 2021, 01:42:58 pm
Paddy Dow is a completely different body shape and his strength proved handy on several occasions.  It was a very welcome return to form and with some new tools in the kit.

It was good to see O'Brien and Stocker get a run, even if they were cameo appearances.  Stocker looks stronger than ever.

I reckon Jack Martin has the most relaxed and fluid goal kicking action.  It may not suit everyone but it would be good if some of our dodgier goal kickers could learn from him.  And, speaking of goal kicking, Harry's sports psychologist seems to have done a decent job with him.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: laj on February 25, 2021, 01:59:17 pm
CARLTON 3.3 6.4 12.8 14.11 (95)
ESSENDON 3.1 5.7 7.8 11.8 (74)

GOALS
Carlton: Dow 2, Fisher 2, McKay 2, Pittonet 2, Cripps, Cuningham, Martin, Murphy, Newnes, Williams

BEST
Carlton: Dow, Saad, Cripps, Jones, Pittonet, Fisher, Walsh
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 25, 2021, 02:47:54 pm
Who did Essendon have in the middle?
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: tonyo on February 25, 2021, 03:04:10 pm
Who did Essendon have in the middle?
Pretty much a full compliment - Heppell, Shiel, Smith, Merrett, Langford, Parrish all there at stages.  McGrath missed with concussion.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: tonyo on February 25, 2021, 03:09:03 pm
One big and very noticeable difference was Saad.  When he puts his foot to the metal, he has seriously fast wheels.

When I think of the glacier-like movement we are used to out of the backline, his run brings a whole new dimension.  Those further up the ground need to learn how to present better so he has some decent options.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 25, 2021, 03:15:39 pm
One big and very noticeable difference was Saad.  When he puts his foot to the metal, he has seriously fast wheels.....................

I'm very happy we got Saad. Pick 8 seems like a faded, distant and irrelevant memory IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: DJC on February 25, 2021, 03:34:12 pm
Pretty much a full compliment - Heppell, Shiel, Smith, Merrett, Langford, Parrish all there at stages.  McGrath missed with concussion.

Heppell played as a HBF.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: rocky on February 25, 2021, 03:44:58 pm
Heppell played as a HBF.

And I don't think Shiel played? If he did he was very, very quiet.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 25, 2021, 03:57:49 pm
Pretty much a full compliment - Heppell, Shiel, Smith, Merrett, Langford, Parrish all there at stages.  McGrath missed with concussion.
Thanks T...that makes Dows contribution more meaningful, hopefully this is the start of him cementing a spot.
I watched him a bit at U18 level and he was impressive but up till now has disappointed but how it was described he played today
was how he played in the TAC cup.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: shawny on February 25, 2021, 04:07:13 pm
Thanks T...that makes Dows contribution more meaningful, hopefully this is the start of him cementing a spot.
I watched him a bit at U18 level and he was impressive but up till now has disappointed but how it was described he played today
was how he played in the TAC cup.

It’s much easier for the younger blokes wanting to show something to look decent in a scratch match when the regular blokes are using the game just to get some touch and the pressure around the ball is almost non existent.

Let’s see how he goes when he is up against Martin Cotchin Prestia in round 1 cause that’s his test.
He has always shown glimpses which almost teases fans but then struggles under pressure so I’m not surprised he goes ok in these sorts of pre season hit outs. 
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: townsendcalling on February 25, 2021, 04:18:06 pm
That first goal for Dow, he held his own in a marking contest that he would have been bumped off last year. Nothing wrong with building confidence prior to the big dance.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: tonyo on February 25, 2021, 04:19:08 pm
And I don't think Shiel played? If he did he was very, very quiet.
First half
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: tonyo on February 25, 2021, 04:20:43 pm
It’s much easier for the younger blokes wanting to show something to look decent in a scratch match when the regular blokes are using the game just to get some touch and the pressure around the ball is almost non existent.

Let’s see how he goes when he is up against Martin Cotchin Prestia in round 1 cause that’s his test.
He has always shown glimpses which almost teases fans but then struggles under pressure so I’m not surprised he goes ok in these sorts of pre season hit outs. 

To add to it, Crippa and Curnow didn't do anywhere near as much time as usual at centre bounces.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 25, 2021, 04:20:49 pm
And I don't think Shiel played? If he did he was very, very quiet.
He played a half
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 25, 2021, 04:27:34 pm
I dont know what to make of those matches, one side might be super serious, one might be experimenting. To me it seemed we were the more serious of the two. William, Saad and to an extent Fogarty added what everyone thought they would, pace, clean hands and good disposal. Pitto is a mongrel which I like and showed he can go fwd, clunk a mark and kick a goal when needed.
I dont want to jinx him but Fish seems to have jumped a few levels and seems to be set for a really good year.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: cookie2 on February 25, 2021, 04:28:49 pm
@Paul & Laj
Thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to watching now, especially since we won!  ;D
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 25, 2021, 04:30:32 pm
@Paul & Laj
Thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to watching now, especially since we won!  ;D

Enjoy !
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 25, 2021, 07:00:16 pm
Special mention should go to pittonet today.

He was our only recognised ruck, had a chopout from Moore and Oscar Mcdonald.
Was fine in the ruck, but it was his around the ground marking that was a big help today. Kicked 2 goals as well.

If tdk is fit, I'd play pittonet and tdk and leave out casboult. Up forward... Harry and a resting ruck, soj as the 3rd tall, a resting mid and a couple smalls.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: DJC on February 25, 2021, 07:31:54 pm
And I don't think Shiel played? If he did he was very, very quiet.

He did play ... and he was very, very quiet.  I don’t know whether he was injured or managed but I don’t think he had a touch.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: capcom on February 25, 2021, 07:58:23 pm
So glad we missed out on getting him.  Even happier it was the scum
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: NudeNut on February 25, 2021, 08:38:56 pm
Biggest take away from the game, watching someone run around in the number 6 that wasn't Simmo was weird.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 25, 2021, 09:28:23 pm
Who played on Waterman?
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: BluePhantom on February 25, 2021, 09:50:36 pm
Watched the replay and it seems Big H is still not hungry enough.
Doesn't demand the ball, goes half hearted to many contests, he's a big man but doesn't crash and bash for the mark and passes off when in kicking distance. If he wants to be the dominant forward he should have a chat to Fev.
He looks like he means business but still a bit too casual for my liking.
I don't want him to be one of those if only players.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: townsendcalling on February 25, 2021, 09:54:00 pm
Who played on Waterman?

The 2020 B&F winner for the last quarter when he kicked 3!!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 25, 2021, 10:27:36 pm
The 2020 B&F winner for the last quarter when he kicked 3!!
Fair enough, maybe JW was resting on his laurels and it was junk time stuff..
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: flyboy77 on February 25, 2021, 10:33:15 pm
Footage of Hurley hobbling around the boundary on crutches, looks like he is almost shot- reckon if he plays much footy this year it would be a miracle.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/02/17/hurley-discharged-from-hospital-no-timeline-on-return/
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: flyboy77 on February 25, 2021, 10:55:23 pm
Fair enough, maybe JW was resting on his laurels and it was junk time stuff..

we were barely in 1st gear come Q4. Under instruction.

Waterman goes OK all the same. Good pedigree. Hard at it.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 26, 2021, 07:09:51 am
Fair enough, maybe JW was resting on his laurels and it was junk time stuff..
Lol....because it was Weitering, we let it slide.

If the answer was plowman....outbcome the pitchforks! Even though plow has been consistently in the top 10 (5?) In the b+f too.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 26, 2021, 08:12:38 am
Watched the replay and it seems Big H is still not hungry enough.
This is a pre-season game, not only do most players not take it at 100%, they are told by coaches not to take it at 100%!

You don't protect your treasures by exposing them to the filth!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 26, 2021, 08:16:00 am
This is a pre-season game, not only do most players not take it at 100%, they are told by coaches not to take it at 100%!

You don't protect your treasures by exposing them to the filth!

If you are quoted in an article saying you are going to take more shots at goal and not pass them off in gettable range....then that's what you should do.

He was 40 out on 45 degree angle and passed it off.

Those are the ones you kick.

If you can't practice those shots in a practice match, then why do we play them?
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 26, 2021, 08:25:24 am

If you can't practice those shots in a practice match, then why do we play them?
Practise matches have a purpose, the tackling you get it at another level, the sporadic pressure exceeds match-sim. But primarily you play practise matches to develop systems of cohesion against an unknown opponent, something that is impossible to replicate in match-sim because inside your own club everybody knows what is about to happen.

It may well be the case one of the things we wanted to test was tricks for creating space inside F50. But otherwise, rewarding team-mates for doing the right thing is a big plus, because the opposite is burning them and that always comes back to bite you!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 26, 2021, 08:41:56 am
Practise matches have a purpose, the tackling you get it at another level, the sporadic pressure exceeds match-sim. But primarily you play practise matches to develop systems of cohesion against an unknown opponent, something that is impossible to replicate in match-sim because inside your own club everybody knows what is about to happen.

It may well be the case one of the things we wanted to test was tricks for creating space inside F50. But otherwise, rewarding team-mates for doing the right thing is a big plus, because the opposite is burning them and that always comes back to bite you!

What you say has some merit.

However, if that's our focus teague should get the sack.

We have one of the best young forward talents in the league, the ONLY thing holding him back is between his ears and he's made it a focus in the off-season.

Nothing boasts confidence like kicking a few goals and getting a win.

He will be our lone key forward this year with the injuries we have and he needs belief. Belief in himself and the system.

We will win more games this year with a confident, fit and firing Harry then we will by making space inside 50
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Baggers on February 26, 2021, 09:00:04 am
Watched the replay and it seems Big H is still not hungry enough.


I think I understand your point and can see how it would appear that way. Some blokes just seem phlegmatic the way they move... Rhys-Jones was a classic example, as was my Avatar, Brent Crosswell. I think H has a little of that look. He's also 7 metres tall which can make you look a little 'lumberish' when after the aggot or opponent. And it was a practice match. Zachery F. is probably the opposite, no matter what he does he seems manic.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: capcom on February 26, 2021, 09:11:11 am
Reckon it will be refined as time goes on.  We NEED forward options aplenty.  As you said Baggers, it was a hitout.  Imagine Saad will cause some chaos as well.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Milhanna13 on February 26, 2021, 09:30:45 am
One big and very noticeable difference was Saad.  When he puts his foot to the metal, he has seriously fast wheels.


Like Cieran Byrne, but with more idea of what he actually doing!!!  We havent had that sort of run off HB for years
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 26, 2021, 10:38:29 am
Like Cieran Byrne, but with more idea of what he actually doing!!!  We havent had that sort of run off HB for years
Ahhh Chris Yarran, they were the days. The bloke could have been anything.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 26, 2021, 10:40:46 am
Footage of Hurley hobbling around the boundary on crutches, looks like he is almost shot- reckon if he plays much footy this year it would be a miracle.
His right leg looked seriously wasted away.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 26, 2021, 11:29:29 am
What you say has some merit.
However, if that's our focus teague should get the sack.
We have one of the best young forward talents in the league, the ONLY thing holding him back is between his ears and he's made it a focus in the off-season.
Nothing boasts confidence like kicking a few goals and getting a win.
He will be our lone key forward this year with the injuries we have and he needs belief. Belief in himself and the system.
We will win more games this year with a confident, fit and firing Harry then we will by making space inside 50
You can't burn team-mates for your own benefit, they have to believe you're in it "for them and for yourself", not for yourself at their expense.

It's that "we together" mentality that generates sacrifice, and creates those blocks and shepherds that the likes of the Nthmond running brigade hand out for Dusty or Reiwoldt. Those things we see off the ball that we hate seeing go unpenalized, mostly because we do not do it too!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 26, 2021, 11:34:43 am
Footage of Hurley hobbling around the boundary on crutches, looks like he is almost shot- reckon if he plays much footy this year it would be a miracle.
My missus noticed in one section of footage he was wrapped in a blanket shivering while standing in the sun listening to the coaches huddle, that is not the sign of someone who is well.

The media said he was fighting a hip infection, I gather it wasn't your run of the mill day to day issue he has been battling! So we wish him well, we don't wish that sort of misfortune on anybody, be it one of ours or one of theirs!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 26, 2021, 05:46:58 pm
You can't burn team-mates for your own benefit, they have to believe you're in it "for them and for yourself", not for yourself at their expense.

It's that "we together" mentality that generates sacrifice, and creates those blocks and shepherds that the likes of the Nthmond running brigade hand out for Dusty or Reiwoldt. Those things we see off the ball that we hate seeing go unpenalized, mostly because we do not do it too!
Burn team mates? I don't think the pass came off. He burned his team by not taking the shot.

If i'm his teammate and i see him with the ball 40-odd out, i WANT him to have a shot. Thats his role.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Baggers on February 26, 2021, 07:49:04 pm
Reckon it will be refined as time goes on.  We NEED forward options aplenty.  As you said Baggers, it was a hitout.  Imagine Saad will cause some chaos as well.

Yep. Let's not start jumping at shadows yet.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 26, 2021, 08:02:36 pm
I know it was just a pricey match hit out against an opposition team and I have said in the past I never want to see Callum Moore in a Carlton jumper every again but...
I have to admit, he a did a few nice things and his pace for a big fella is impressive. In one ruck contest, he buttered up, gathered the ball below his knees at full tilt and burst out of the middle. He sprayed the kick a little but the idea was there.
Yea or nay?
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 26, 2021, 08:21:03 pm
I know it was just a pricey match hit out against an opposition team and I have said in the past I never want to see Callum Moore in a Carlton jumper every again but...
I have to admit, he a did a few nice things and his pace for a big fella is impressive. In one ruck contest, he buttered up, gathered the ball below his knees at full tilt and burst out of the middle. He sprayed the kick a little but the idea was there.
Yea or nay?

I saw that and was impressed.

However, can you remember anything else he did......because i can't.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: DJC on February 26, 2021, 08:29:16 pm
I saw that and was impressed.

However, can you remember anything else he did......because i can't.

I thought that he played quite well, in fact amazingly well for a bloke who I thought was nowhere near AFL standard.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 26, 2021, 08:34:32 pm
I thought that he played quite well, in fact amazingly well for a bloke who I thought was nowhere near AFL standard.

The game wasn't AFL standard....Dow dominated and (according to you) Moore played well. That is proof enough its not AFL standard. ;)
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 26, 2021, 09:01:22 pm
I saw that and was impressed.

However, can you remember anything else he did......because i can't.
Purely for research purposes, I checked scanned through the replay:
Qtr 1 - He did a burst out the centre at around the 17 min mark after receiving a HB from Dow. He rucked the middle part of the qtr.
Qtr 2 - Didn't play, OMac provided relief for Pitto in the middle of the second.
Qtr 3 - Minute 17:55. buttered and burst out the middle spraying the kick (thats the one we remembered)
Qtr 4 - Didn't play, OMac provided relief for Pitto in the middle of the forth.
So I was right, he did "a couple" (literally) of nice things.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 26, 2021, 09:30:53 pm
Purely for research purposes, I checked scanned through the replay:
Qtr 1 - He did a burst out the centre at around the 17 min mark after receiving a HB from Dow. He rucked the middle part of the qtr.
Qtr 2 - Didn't play, OMac provided relief for Pitto in the middle of the second.
Qtr 3 - Minute 17:55. buttered and burst out the middle spraying the kick (thats the one we remembered)
Qtr 4 - Didn't play, OMac provided relief for Pitto in the middle of the forth.
So I was right, he did "a couple" (literally) of nice things.
So.....keep him on for the year based on that?

I can't. Oscar maybe. Helps down back too.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 26, 2021, 10:32:21 pm
Dont fancy Moore vs Richmond rnd1...he wont touch it and his opponents like Nankervis in the ruck or Grimes, Astbury, Balta etc down back will tear us a new one.
Who did Essendon have in the ruck...kids?
McDonald probably makes more sense, any long term injury to Jones or JW and we would be done for the year without some cover IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 26, 2021, 10:35:19 pm
So.....keep him on for the year based on that?

I can't. Oscar maybe. Helps down back too.
No I can't either, I convinced myself.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Professer E on February 27, 2021, 09:23:12 am
I generally have as much regard for anything essenscum as a fresh dog log on the front lawn, but I'll make an exception and wish Hurley all the best because he needs it.   Having fought staph myself he needs all the help modern medicine can give him right now.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Baggers on February 27, 2021, 09:31:36 am
Watched the game again and found a number of things to be pleased about or just plain interesting. These observations are framed with the full knowledge this was a practice match.

Strong improvement in disposal by foot, especially after qtr time.

We have a number of blokes who can quickly switch direction and wrong foot opponents: Zachery, Saad, Dow, Murphy, Williams, Betts, Jones (sometimes with our hearts in our mouths), Doc, SPS... etc.

That goal coming from a Dow lightning hand off to Saad who ran through the middle and kicked truly to Crippa in the goal square was bloody awesome.

Multiple goal kickers.

Zachery is coming along beautifully as a small forward and is so quick that the defensive area of his game will panic/pressure many a back line opponent.

For mine the biggest difference in the game of Dow was his confidence. It looked like he knew he fitted in whereas, in the past, there was a kind of hesitation. This bloke will only continue to improve... and he has the tricks.

Pitto may not have had A grade opponents against cheats.com.au but I love what he brings to our ruck division - hardness and a genuine love of the contest. Just a dash of Wow Jones about him.

Assigning Murphy to the role of small forward is playing him to his remaining elite strength - he is deadly around goals and can create them from nothing.

Cuningham still worries me. Oozes skill but still vanishes for extended periods. All between the ears with this kid.

Liked SOJ's game. Reads the game so well and has a fair-dinkum dip. You can just tell he loves the club.

We have a bona fide midfield mix that will trouble the best.

Yes, just a practice match but certainly one of the much better performances I've seen pre-season in quite a while. And I am well aware that 'one swallow does not a summer make.'

Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: capcom on February 27, 2021, 11:15:11 am
I mentioned last year that Pittonet would be a good addition for the club.  No reason to alter that opinion.  Williams and Saad will have an immediate presence and place pressure on other players keen to contest for positions.  An overdue changing of the guard perhaps.

Sorta reminds me of the Buzz and Hunter impact in 1981.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: RiverRat on February 27, 2021, 11:21:52 am
Dont fancy Moore vs Richmond rnd1...he wont touch it and his opponents like Nankervis in the ruck or Grimes, Astbury, Balta etc down back will tear us a new one.
Who did Essendon have in the ruck...kids?
McDonald probably makes more sense, any long term injury to Jones or JW and we would be done for the year without some cover IMO.
Agreed
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: RiverRat on February 27, 2021, 11:28:02 am
Watched the game again and found a number of things to be pleased about or just plain interesting. These observations are framed with the full knowledge this was a practice match.

Strong improvement in disposal by foot, especially after qtr time.

We have a number of blokes who can quickly switch direction and wrong foot opponents: Zachery, Saad, Dow, Murphy, Williams, Betts, Jones (sometimes with our hearts in our mouths), Doc, SPS... etc.

That goal coming from a Dow lightning hand off to Saad who ran through the middle and kicked truly to Crippa in the goal square was bloody awesome.

Multiple goal kickers.

Zachery is coming along beautifully as a small forward and is so quick that the defensive area of his game will panic/pressure many a back line opponent.

For mine the biggest difference in the game of Dow was his confidence. It looked like he knew he fitted in whereas, in the past, there was a kind of hesitation. This bloke will only continue to improve... and he has the tricks.

Pitto may not have had A grade opponents against cheats.com.au but I love what he brings to our ruck division - hardness and a genuine love of the contest. Just a dash of Wow Jones about him.

Assigning Murphy to the role of small forward is playing him to his remaining elite strength - he is deadly around goals and can create them from nothing.

Cuningham still worries me. Oozes skill but still vanishes for extended periods. All between the ears with this kid.

Liked SOJ's game. Reads the game so well and has a fair-dinkum dip. You can just tell he loves the club.

We have a bona fide midfield mix that will trouble the best.

Yes, just a practice match but certainly one of the much better performances I've seen pre-season in quite a while. And I am well aware that 'one swallow does not a summer make.'


Good assessment - my main reservations from the match related to the 'kick in hope' delivery to the forward line and the fact that Pittonet was often out-reached in centre circle ruck contests.

I really like his around the ground ruckwork and competitiveness but TDK might offer more in the centre circle.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: PaulP on February 27, 2021, 11:36:44 am
Good assessment - my main reservations from the match related to the 'kick in hope' delivery to the forward line and the fact that Pittonet was often out-reached in centre circle ruck contests.

I really like his around the ground ruckwork and competitiveness but TDK might offer more in the centre circle.

Agree. If you see this game as a portent for the home and away season, what you saw was 2 bottom 6 teams IMO. I shudder to think what the turnover count was for both teams. But history has shown it's pretty unwise to stress about scratch matches. There are so many variables and so many different approaches, it's hard to read exposed form in any meaningful way.

Also agree about Pittonet. We got a pretty good glimpse of him last year. An honest player with some toughness. Will have some good moments, but has been and will continue to be exposed by the better rucks in the comp.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 27, 2021, 12:01:05 pm
...and the fact that Pittonet was often out-reached in centre circle ruck contests.

I really like his around the ground ruckwork and competitiveness but TDK might offer more in the centre circle.

Pittonet was dominating hitouts to advantage last year. He can't jump as high, but his ruck craft is very good, he'll work out his opponent and tap it down our throats when he does.

Yes he's athletic ability is lacking compared to TDK.....but whose isn't!.....but its been so long since we've had an agressive ruck that can mark and kick that i think its a small price to pay.

Who was our last aggressive ruck? Cain Ackland briefly.....Barnaby French barely....Big Nick?!  :o
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 27, 2021, 01:13:36 pm

Who was our last aggressive ruck? Cain Ackland briefly.....Barnaby French barely....Big Nick?!  :o
 WOW Jones
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: crashlander on February 27, 2021, 05:03:46 pm
WOW Jones
His aggression towards the ball was excellent. But Fitzy stuck out: a 6 foot 3 ruckmen in a time of giants and he had excellent ruckcraft.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 27, 2021, 05:48:29 pm
Watched the game again and found a number of things to be pleased about or just plain interesting. These observations are framed with the full knowledge this was a practice match.

Strong improvement in disposal by foot, especially after qtr time.

We have a number of blokes who can quickly switch direction and wrong foot opponents: Zachery, Saad, Dow, Murphy, Williams, Betts, Jones (sometimes with our hearts in our mouths), Doc, SPS... etc.

That goal coming from a Dow lightning hand off to Saad who ran through the middle and kicked truly to Crippa in the goal square was bloody awesome.

Multiple goal kickers.

Zachery is coming along beautifully as a small forward and is so quick that the defensive area of his game will panic/pressure many a back line opponent.

For mine the biggest difference in the game of Dow was his confidence. It looked like he knew he fitted in whereas, in the past, there was a kind of hesitation. This bloke will only continue to improve... and he has the tricks.

Pitto may not have had A grade opponents against cheats.com.au but I love what he brings to our ruck division - hardness and a genuine love of the contest. Just a dash of Wow Jones about him.

Assigning Murphy to the role of small forward is playing him to his remaining elite strength - he is deadly around goals and can create them from nothing.

Cuningham still worries me. Oozes skill but still vanishes for extended periods. All between the ears with this kid.

Liked SOJ's game. Reads the game so well and has a fair-dinkum dip. You can just tell he loves the club.

We have a bona fide midfield mix that will trouble the best.

Yes, just a practice match but certainly one of the much better performances I've seen pre-season in quite a while. And I am well aware that 'one swallow does not a summer make.'


Great summary Baggers, Ill add just one thing from my observations:
Two way running was very good. Mids, wings and fwds ran hard to the backline to lend support. Setters, Dow, SOS, Fish, Ed to name a few all made their way quickly to the back line when required. Whether they were trailing their man or left him to get there I am not sure but there was effort to get back and lend support.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: JonDorotich on February 28, 2021, 05:17:57 pm
Agree with most of what has been written before, however I do worry about the impact, aggressiveness, intensity and/or ground speed of all of Plowman, Curnow, Setterfield, SPS & from time to time Murphy. It's probably unfair to focus on this subset of players, but we do need to increase our intensity, ball  velocity & probably foot speed to trouble the better clubs.

Josh Honey stood out as a player with the tools to add another weapon to the Blues arsenal, however I haven't heard much about him this pre-season. Any update on how he is developing?
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 28, 2021, 07:32:24 pm
Agree with most of what has been written before, however I do worry about the impact, aggressiveness, intensity and/or ground speed of all of Plowman, Curnow, Setterfield, SPS & from time to time Murphy. It's probably unfair to focus on this subset of players, but we do need to increase our intensity, ball  velocity & probably foot speed to trouble the better clubs.

Josh Honey stood out as a player with the tools to add another weapon to the Blues arsenal, however I haven't heard much about him this pre-season. Any update on how he is developing?
Out and out speed only works if you can use the ball too.....or offer something else.

All of those mentioned offer something else. Sure it would be good for each of them to have speed too, but thats like saying it'd be good to have 22 Patrick Cripps on your team. Ideal, but not possible.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 28, 2021, 07:59:23 pm
Agree with most of what has been written before, however I do worry about the impact, aggressiveness, intensity and/or ground speed of all of Plowman, Curnow, Setterfield, SPS & from time to time Murphy. It's probably unfair to focus on this subset of players, but we do need to increase our intensity, ball  velocity & probably foot speed to trouble the better clubs.

Josh Honey stood out as a player with the tools to add another weapon to the Blues arsenal, however I haven't heard much about him this pre-season. Any update on how he is developing?
Agree on those thoughts, Tigers will be a good test, they are looking like they will be a bit under manned so I reckon this is about our best chance in years to nail them. They are are a quick rebounding team with foot speed, muscle and will be a test for all those players you mentioned. We should be quicker than last season, intensity and vigor will need to improve though as we often lose games in a quarter where we get blown off the park and its usually because we dont bring enough aggression at the contest and cant change the momentum back. Its fine having pace and skill but you have to be able to get the ball when its hot and do the game changing stuff that turns the game, not sure if we have enough of those types....
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 28, 2021, 08:12:29 pm
Its worth pointing out that we shouldn't try and play like the tigers. The tigers play that way because they have the players to play that way.
We need to play a way that suits our players....and allows us the best chance of winning most weeks, especially in finals.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on February 28, 2021, 08:31:14 pm
Its worth pointing out that we shouldn't try and play like the tigers. The tigers play that way because they have the players to play that way.
We need to play a way that suits our players....and allows us the best chance of winning most weeks, especially in finals.
Q: What is the biggest tell a coach is a dud?

A: Copying the ladder leader's tactics!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 28, 2021, 08:32:26 pm
Q: What is the biggest tell a coach is a dud?

A: Copying the ladder leader's tactics!

Or copying what worked at a previous club who had different cattle at their disposal!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: townsendcalling on February 28, 2021, 08:46:29 pm
Or copying what worked at a previous club who had different cattle at their disposal!

Cheerio to Denis Pagan
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 28, 2021, 08:51:58 pm
Cheerio to Denis Pagan
Exactly who i had in mind when i wrote that.  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 28, 2021, 09:12:58 pm
Its worth pointing out that we shouldn't try and play like the tigers. The tigers play that way because they have the players to play that way.
We need to play a way that suits our players....and allows us the best chance of winning most weeks, especially in finals.
I don't fully agree with you that the Tigers play the way they play because of the players they have. They have a system,  which Hardwick developed, and everyone to a man adheres to it religiously. New players come in and they are taught quickly to play to their system. Harwick has said as much in interviews. The system is:
- Force a turnover by manic pressure
- helter skelter move it fwd at all all costs.
- Gain meters, get it to fwds who finish the job.
- Players flood back to defence when needed (which we did on Thurs vs the cheats).
The thing with them that's critical is that they finish their work more often than not.
I do agree though that we need to come up with our formula or system which is successful.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 28, 2021, 09:14:04 pm
Its worth pointing out that we shouldn't try and play like the tigers. The tigers play that way because they have the players to play that way.
We need to play a way that suits our players....and allows us the best chance of winning most weeks, especially in finals.
Winning the contested ball consistently for 4 quarters is is a non negotiable.
That's what gives you the ball to apply what ever style/method you use to score.
Richmond have very few if any players who don't contest well or try and cheat on their teammates by being weak at the contest.
You only need 10-15 minutes of insipid/lazy contesting vs the good teams and they will pile on 5 goals and its game over.
eg GWS have had all the talent in the world, their own style but every other team knows they don't contest well when challenged and its their key players who let them down.
Contested ball in the big moments and efficiency under pressure is where I see us needing to improve.





Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 28, 2021, 09:21:17 pm
I don't fully agree with you that the Tigers play the way they play because of the players they have. They have a system,  which Hardwick developed, and everyone to a man adheres to it religiously. New players come in and they are taught quickly to play to their system. Harwick has said as much in interviews. The system is:
- Force a turnover by manic pressure
- helter skelter move it fwd at all all costs.
- Gain meters, get it to fwds who finish the job.
- Players flood back to defence when needed (which we did on Thurs vs the cheats).
The thing with them that's critical is that they finish their work more often than not.
I do agree though that we need to come up with our formula or system which is successful.
I'm not saying they don't have a system.
I'm saying the system came about with an eye to the players they had available.

eg. You don't play a chip kick game if you have poor kickers on your list.
Instead you either
a) Recruit better kickers to help execute your intended game plan.
b) Change your game plan to better utilise your current players strengths.

Over time, both of those things are used and game plans are tweaked along with it.

A game plan is something that should be unique to the club in any given year due to the fact each club has a different set of players in any given year.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 28, 2021, 09:25:20 pm
Winning the contested ball consistently for 4 quarters is is a non negotiable.
That's what gives you the ball to apply what ever style/method you use to score.

There is an asterisk to the above. Geelong (at least from a few years ago).

They never won contested ball because they played a different style.

They almost conceded the stoppage, but pressured the ball carrier. They would set up a wall (in close and deep) to attack the ball coming out of the stoppage. More of a rebounding, run and gun approach.

What good is a 'quick kick' out of a stoppage if it goes straight to the opposition who now have numbers, time and space to attack.
That was Geelongs approach.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 28, 2021, 09:32:51 pm
I'm not saying they don't have a system.
I'm saying the system came about with an eye to the players they had available.

eg. You don't play a chip kick game if you have poor kickers on your list.
Instead you either
a) Recruit better kickers to help execute your intended game plan.
b) Change your game plan to better utilise your current players strengths.

Over time, both of those things are used and game plans are tweaked along with it.

A game plan is something that should be unique to the club in any given year due to the fact each club has a different set of players in any given year.
What I am saying is that I feel his system is not player ability based per se`. For example, they have two big power fwds in Jack and Lynch. You'd reckon they'd be in Coleman contention, they kicked 33  and 32 goals respectively. They have a handy midfield but there are no 35-40 possession games for many of them. Its a more basic system, ugly at times, but basic. They just do it well for longer.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: kruddler on February 28, 2021, 09:42:54 pm
What I am saying is that I feel his system is not player ability based per se`. For example, they have two big power fwds in Jack and Lynch. You'd reckon they'd be in Coleman contention, they kicked 33  and 32 goals respectively. They have a handy midfield but there are no 35-40 possession games for many of them. Its a more basic system, ugly at times, but basic. They just do it well for longer.

They did win one before Lynch came on board too.

I'm not doubting you, or your critique. What i am saying is that, still, is a choice. A choice which is made based on the players you have available and the abilties they have.

Think about when we had Murphy and Gibbs as our premier midfielders, and Houlihan too. Would oppositions feel intimidated by them physically? Would you want them bashing and crashing into packs and coming out injured?? That wouldn't put fear into the opposition. Having them on the outside, penetrating our F50 with precision is what made teams worry. Our best performances was when we played a running, attack at all costs mentality that saw us get it in as quick as possible to the best FF in the game at the time.
Scores were through the roof. We won more than we lost.....but defensively we were non-existent. Opposition scores were high as well.

Tigers play a 'simple' style that works for the players they have. You don't need to be an elite kick like our old mates mentioned above, you just need to commit your body at each and every contest, week after week. If you can't, we'll find someone who can.
Tigers won with Grigg in the ruck. Why? Because it was all about competing when the ball hit the ground. Clearly Dusty thrives in it, but even softy Cotchin grew into the role and the other 'hacks' found a niche in there as well.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on March 01, 2021, 08:03:00 am
The biggest influence over the Ntmond results is Dimma continually whinging in the media about umpires impeding blokes like Dusty and Cotchin from doing whatever they like outside the rules of the game!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Pratty on March 01, 2021, 09:36:09 am
Dont fancy Moore vs Richmond rnd1...he wont touch it and his opponents like Nankervis in the ruck or Grimes, Astbury, Balta etc down back will tear us a new one.
Who did Essendon have in the ruck...kids?
McDonald probably makes more sense, any long term injury to Jones or JW and we would be done for the year without some cover IMO.

It's a tough one actually.

I was against Moore initially, favouring McDonald but I'd be going between either Moore or Crocker myself.

Moore, IMO, is a versatile tall - forward, ruck, back. I see him more as a Liam Jones style fast, agile and aggressive defender as opposed to a forward making the play. Like Jones, I don't think Moore has the forward craft to play forward and I would prefer him down back as cover opposed to McDonald.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 01, 2021, 09:50:12 am
It's a tough one actually.

I was against Moore initially, favouring McDonald but I'd be going between either Moore or Crocker myself.

Moore, IMO, is a versatile tall - forward, ruck, back. I see him more as a Liam Jones style fast, agile and aggressive defender as opposed to a forward making the play. Like Jones, I don't think Moore has the forward craft to play forward and I would prefer him down back as cover opposed to McDonald.
Fair enough Pratty, my view is probably a specialist KP defender is a priority.
Not saying Oscar Mcdonald is a world beater but he has some experience, size and some idea of what's required. Moore is a great athlete but is a jack of all trades but master of none.. Raw is a kind way of saying he has little nous. Ben Crocker has appeal because he looks different to the usual Carlton cleanskin von Trapp kid we recruit but imo isn't quick enough at AFL level. Be a handy VFL player as he has some nous after playing at two clubs but I think we have his position covered and need cover where it's thin with a KP defender.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on March 01, 2021, 10:48:09 am
Ben Crocker has appeal because he looks different to the usual Carlton cleanskin von Trapp kid we recruit but imo isn't quick enough at AFL level. Be a handy VFL player as he has some nous after playing at two clubs but I think we have his position covered and need cover where it's thin with a KP defender.
Yes, we've got Gibbons, hard to see Crocker also getting a run as I think Gibbons has him well covered. I realise they are not the same type of player, but they are basically competing for the one spot in the team.

Probably one thing Crocker offers, he might be a useful cover for more than one player allowing reshuffles, Ed, Walsh, SPS, Gibbons, Fisher, sMurph, etc., etc., but we do have a bunch of kids who can also do those jobs.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: LP on March 01, 2021, 10:54:48 am
It's a tough one actually.

I was against Moore initially, favouring McDonald but I'd be going between either Moore or Crocker myself.

Moore, IMO, is a versatile tall - forward, ruck, back. I see him more as a Liam Jones style fast, agile and aggressive defender as opposed to a forward making the play. Like Jones, I don't think Moore has the forward craft to play forward and I would prefer him down back as cover opposed to McDonald.
I don't see Moore as a viable ruck option, some have tried to paint him in the Casboult mould but I think he is far far from it. He was a stand in for Grigg really, but those rules have changed and the Grigg option is dead in the water now, and rightly so!

At the moment I think our club has it's list in a bit of a pickle, I realise some won't think this because they see the potential for a few nice forwards and mids, but that won't help us if we start getting smashed in the ruck contests. We got a glimpse of that last season when Pittonet had his form slump. FFS, do not ruck Harry!
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Pratty on March 01, 2021, 11:44:22 am
Fair enough Pratty, my view is probably a specialist KP defender is a priority.
Not saying Oscar Mcdonald is a world beater but he has some experience, size and some idea of what's required. Moore is a great athlete but is a jack of all trades but master of none.. Raw is a kind way of saying he has little nous. Ben Crocker has appeal because he looks different to the usual Carlton cleanskin von Trapp kid we recruit but imo isn't quick enough at AFL level. Be a handy VFL player as he has some nous after playing at two clubs but I think we have his position covered and need cover where it's thin with a KP defender.

It doesn't bother me that much who we go with to tell you the truth but I see Callum Moore a better option down back to Oscar McDonald. Just a preference.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Pratty on March 01, 2021, 11:45:28 am
I don't see Moore as a viable ruck option, some have tried to paint him in the Casboult mould but I think he is far far from it. He was a stand in for Grigg really, but those rules have changed and the Grigg option is dead in the water now, and rightly so!

At the moment I think our club has it's list in a bit of a pickle, I realise some won't think this because they see the potential for a few nice forwards and mids, but that won't help us if we start getting smashed in the ruck contests. We got a glimpse of that last season when Pittonet had his form slump. FFS, do not ruck Harry!

Yeah he can ruck but we'd prefer he was not required. I'd have gone for Corey Gault from Swan Districts.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: DJC on March 01, 2021, 02:35:47 pm
Liked SOJ's game. Reads the game so well and has a fair-dinkum dip. You can just tell he loves the club.

Yes, Jack certainly gives it his all but he still has to get the pill and impact the scoreboard.  He was playing as our second key forward, and that's a big ask, but he really didn't look threatening and was too easily beaten by his opponent.  He took two marks, dropped two he should have held, had three kicks, one directly to an opponent, four handballs (three ineffective and one for a goal assist) and laid two tackles.

It pains me to say it, but McGovern is a better option in that role.

I'm not sure what this says about Moore but on two occasions, Cripps took over the ruck duties from him and took clean possession.  It probably says more about Wright's lack of strength, not to mention the fact that Cripps is taller and heavier than Moore.  Still, Moore looks far more capable in the ruck than McDonald.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: DJC on March 01, 2021, 02:40:04 pm
It doesn't bother me that much who we go with to tell you the truth but I see Callum Moore a better option down back to Oscar McDonald. Just a preference.

I tend to agree. Moore is versatile and has a real crack.  The problem is that he seems to misjudge the flight of the ball.  If he can sort that out, he'd be worth persevering with for another season.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on March 01, 2021, 03:50:08 pm
I can’t believe people are talking about adding Moore to the list. He is a DUD full stop. Not a good enough ruck,forward or back even as backup. He played seniors last season and couldn’t get a touch was flicked by Richmond because he wasn’t good enough take the hint “ He’s not AFL standard” Try someone else, anyone else.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 01, 2021, 04:02:08 pm
I can’t believe people are talking about adding Moore to the list. He is a DUD full stop. Not a good enough ruck,forward or back even as backup. He played seniors last season and couldn’t get a touch was flicked by Richmond because he wasn’t good enough take the hint “ He’s not AFL standard” Try someone else, anyone else.
Thats my view too, he is only there because of his Richmond connection(Liddle) imo, the worry is Charlie Curnow is very doubtful to play much footy this season and we also lack options in the KP defensive posts so Moore along with Casboult can swing between those positions if necessary. Moore is probably seen as an allrounder who you can plug several holes with unlike McDonald who is really only proven down back. Both are very poor excuses for backup ruckman IMHO.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 01, 2021, 05:03:35 pm
I can’t believe people are talking about adding Moore to the list. He is a DUD full stop. Not a good enough ruck,forward or back even as backup. He played seniors last season and couldn’t get a touch was flicked by Richmond because he wasn’t good enough take the hint “ He’s not AFL standard” Try someone else, anyone else.
I tend to agree, been there don't that with him, move on and try someone else as you have said.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: tragic123 on March 01, 2021, 07:11:19 pm
I can’t believe people are talking about adding Moore to the list. He is a DUD full stop. Not a good enough ruck,forward or back even as backup. He played seniors last season and couldn’t get a touch was flicked by Richmond because he wasn’t good enough take the hint “ He’s not AFL standard” Try someone else, anyone else.

It is an indictment on our list management team that these are the only 4 options we have to choose from. These SSP spots should be for interstate league players/players that were previously injured/too young and are now fully developed or 19 year olds not re-tread AFL types.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Pratty on March 02, 2021, 09:22:44 am
I can’t believe people are talking about adding Moore to the list. He is a DUD full stop. Not a good enough ruck,forward or back even as backup. He played seniors last season and couldn’t get a touch was flicked by Richmond because he wasn’t good enough take the hint “ He’s not AFL standard” Try someone else, anyone else.

Agree. Maybe you should let Nick Austin know. We have four train-on players - Moore, McDonald, Crocker and Maher. The last list spot is likely to come from that four players. I'd be happy to look outside that group myself. I am not a big Callum Moore fan but McDonald is a flake. Paul Bower type very average defender. He's tall but struggles on big forwards and seems to lack awareness, even down back. Crocker is handy and we do have some forwards on our list but I think he is more specialist small/medium forward compared to many hybrid types we have. Maher I don't know much about but we have so many unproven young midfielders on our list that I am unsure we need another. Having said this, if the Club feels Maher is the best candidate for the final position then fine but I think we need some balance here also.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: cookie2 on March 02, 2021, 11:11:46 am
What is the club looking for? Insurance to cover a possible injury to KP stocks or the "best" player in terms of talent who may go on to bigger and better things? I'm not at all sure about that.
Title: Re: AFL Practice Match 2021 Carlton vs the Drug Cheats
Post by: Pratty on March 02, 2021, 11:43:53 am
What is the club looking for? Insurance to cover a possible injury to KP stocks or the "best" player in terms of talent who may go on to bigger and better things? I'm not at all sure about that.

That's the question and I don't think the Club knows either.

Perhaps we should hold off adding anyone until mid year, or go 'best available' now and add a more specific required player mid year should be get a LTI.