Should be a sunny day in old Launny!
Saturday 10 March
Summary Min 13 Max 27
Partly cloudy.Chance of any rain: 0%
Launceston area
Partly cloudy. Light winds becoming north to northwesterly 15 to 25 km/h during the day then becoming light during the evening.
The Hawks? Meh.
Blues by 37. In a canter.
Hawks (with no Rioli for sometime I gather) look ordinary everywhere. A few good kids eg Ryan Burton but no real stars (Roughy fading, Mitchell a possie machine but....).
Siciliy and Gunston as defenders? Surely robbing Peter to pay Paul? Frawley and Gunston at 193cm their key defenders. Who stands Harry at 203cm and Levi at 201cm? Let alone who runs with Charlie?
Looking forward to seeing SPS hook up with Crippa, Kennedy, Paddy D., and the cousins!
Reckon if we win this one we’ll be taking a fair bit of confidence into the start of the season. Knocking off two teams who are predicted to finish above us would be a great sign.
If we’re going full dress rehearsal, I dare say Samo and Weiters come in for LOB and Lamb. Maybe Mullet out for O’Shea too.
Agreed Navy and I might add for all the hype on Charlie, I reckon Samo has just as much chance as becoming 'elite' as anyone in our team...
Jacon Hopper at GWS? Samo would run rings around him.
Squad named - O'Shea in, Garlett out (shoulder).
SPS and weiters name too....
Melbourne St Kilda tonight folks.
Should give us a fair indication of where we sit.... could the Saints beat the Dees?
Squad named - O'Shea in, Garlett out (shoulder).
SPS and weiters name too....
Interesting to note no Williamson, named as an emergency last week but nothing this week.
CARLTON
B: C.Byrne 38, L.Jones 14, C.Marchbank 22
HB: K.Simpson 6, J.Weitering 23, L.Plowman 20
C: M.Murphy 3, P.Cripps 9, J.Pickett 33
HF: J.Silvagni 1, C.Curnow 30, P.Dow 2
F: M.Wright 46, L.Casboult 41, Z.Fisher 25
Foll: M.Kreuzer 8, E.Curnow 35, M.Kennedy 7
I/C: A.Mullett 18, D.Cuningham 28, J.Lamb 13, H.McKay 10, L.O'Brien 4, C.O'Shea 24, D.Thomas 39, S.Petrevski-Seton 5
Emerg: M.Lobbe 27, K.Lebois 42, C.Polson 29, S.Kerridge 11
In: J.Weitering, C.O’Shea, S.Petrevski-Seton
Out: J.Garlett (injured)
If we elect to lose 2 players and run with 6 on the bench again, i'd prefer to give Daisy and Mullet the week off.
Daisy is a known constant. No reason for playing him.
Mullett was simply terrible and should have just rules himself out for R1 based on previous effort.
The others have something to prove or need game time.
HAWTHORN
B: B.Hardwick 15, J.Frawley 12, B.Stratton 24
HB: R.Burton 5, T.O'Brien 23, J.Sicily 6
C: I.Smith 16, T.Mitchell 3, R.Henderson 31
HF: L.Breust 22, R.Schoenmakers 25, J.Impey 4
F: J.Gunston 19, J.Roughead 2, P.Puopolo 28
Foll: B.McEvoy 7, J.O'Meara 10, B.Whitecross 11
I/C: H.Morrison 35, D.Howe 17, S.Burgoyne 9, T.Duryea 8, O.Hanrahan 41, C.Glass 44, J.Cousins 46, M.Pittonet 27
Emerg: C.Nash 45, T.Miles 42, J.Worpel 38, D.Willsmore 20
In: J.Frawley, C.Glass, J.Cousins
Out: L.Shiels (injured), D.Mirra (rested)
Notable absentees: C.Rioli, L.Shiels
Interesting to note no Williamson, named as an emergency last week but nothing this week.
Mild stress reaction in his back. Should be ready for R1, according to Andy Mac.
That is two seriously strong squads, should be some good football if the weather permits.
That is two seriously strong squads, should be some good football if the weather permits.
I thought the Hawks backline looked pretty weak tbh - though Gunston and Schoenmakers will no doubt start back - but again, that robs Peter to pay Paul.
Blues by 45. 8)
CARLTON
B: C.Byrne 38, L.Jones 14, C.Marchbank 22
HB: K.Simpson 6, J.Weitering 23, L.Plowman 20
C: M.Murphy 3, P.Cripps 9, J.Pickett 33
HF: J.Silvagni 1, C.Curnow 30, P.Dow 2
F: M.Wright 46, L.Casboult 41, Z.Fisher 25
Foll: M.Kreuzer 8, E.Curnow 35, M.Kennedy 7
I/C: A.Mullett 18, D.Cuningham 28, J.Lamb 13, H.McKay 10, L.O'Brien 4, C.O'Shea 24, D.Thomas 39, S.Petrevski-Seton 5
Emerg: M.Lobbe 27, K.Lebois 42, C.Polson 29, S.Kerridge 11
In: J.Weitering, C.O’Shea, S.Petrevski-Seton
Out: J.Garlett (injured)
If we elect to lose 2 players and run with 6 on the bench again, i'd prefer to give Daisy and Mullet the week off.
Daisy is a known constant. No reason for playing him.
Mullett was simply terrible and should have just rules himself out for R1 based on previous effort.
The others have something to prove or need game time.
Looks to me like our strongest team 2 weeks in a row. And why not? I wonder if Bolton will pull 2 out late again.
Looks to me like our strongest team 2 weeks in a row. And why not? I wonder if Bolton will pull 2 out late again.
I think so too - we need to fine tune the best 22 available for R1.
Looks to me like our strongest team 2 weeks in a row. And why not? I wonder if Bolton will pull 2 out late again.
Won't at all be surprised to find Kreuzer out and Lobbe in, it would make sense for so many reasons from a ruck perspective.
But I suppose arguing against that, SpecialK needs as many games as possible with his new crew. Then the keep him in argument becomes more about those around him than SpecialK himself.
The Northern Blues are in front at quarter time. No more details at this point.
Box Hill 3.4.22, Northern Blues 5.2.32.
HALF TIME: Box Hill 8.7.55, Northern Blues 7.3.45.
Not so good.
Just seen the boys warming up on Foxtel...don’t think much of the long white socks...may as well be off to the RSL for a couple of ponies :o
Just seen the boys warming up on Foxtel...don’t think much of the long white socks...may as well be off to the RSL for a couple of ponies :o
I think they want the Hawks to be to busy laughing at us and see if we can sneak a few goals in then
Either way Fisher looking good nice goal
Disposal skills are pox so far
Disposal skills are pox so far
Our kicking at 20% efficiency at the moment, according to the AFL website.
Mmmmm Kruzer done for the day?
4 points after that disgraceful effort....thank you!
Our foot skills are atrocious.
I’m worried about Jack...invisible, there’s a word ;)
Just back from the RSL and tuned in. The socks look good ! :)
Just back from the RSL and tuned in. The socks look good ! :)
Touche Cookie ;D
Mitchell really showing us why we chased hard for him
Nice Levi mark goal, plan excuted
i can only presume Bolts has said "stay in 2nd gear" cos we look slow, lethargic once we lose the bsll...
9 scoring shots to 19, lucky to be as close as we are
Its only JLT ::)
Given the decision making, i can only presumt the boys shaerd s fwe joints before the game....
Its only JLT ::)
Yeah I know, but I expected a bit better than this rubbish
Mitchell really showing us why we chased hard for him
We lack that exact type of midfielder. Keeps getting tons of the footy in the middle, he would be handy for us now.
Never seen so many poor skill errors.. Matty wright the worst of the lot.. big harry unsighted apart from spoiling his own team mates.. ????????
18 tackles in hlaf of footy.
:o
they've been told to go slow imo...
Its only JLT ::)
Some poor signs though.....Burgoyne has played that Dusty role down forward and been all over us...Martin will kick plenty if if we give him that amount of space.
Field kicking from both teams has been poor and our defense has turned the ball over too many times trying to bring the ball out...
Zac Fisher been great but a few of our other players have succumbed to the Hawks pressure.....manning up has also been atrocious, Hawks are not quick but constantly are on their own.
Disher was good in Q1 after that zap zippo.
But Cripps, Murphy, Kennedy sfa.
Disher was good in Q1 after that zap zippo.
But Cripps, Murphy, Kennedy sfa.
Judging by the vision, I reckon the coach let the skipper know that at half time too.
Doesn't seem to be a lot of system to what were doing...players are all over the shop.
Kreuzer going down may have affected that meaning that our key forwards are doing the rucking rather than providing opportunities for those small forwards who do look dangerous.
Defence is looking a bit shaky with too many rushed kicks out coming straight back in.
Dow?
SPS injured still?
Doesn't seem to be a lot of system to what were doing...players are all over the shop.
Kreuzer going down may have affected that meaning that our key forwards are doing the rucking rather than providing opportunities for those small forwards who do look dangerous.
Defence is looking a bit shaky with too many rushed kicks out coming straight back in.
Plowman in the final moments of the 2nd was utter stupidity. I know he was put under pressure but...
yep
SPS has been on the bench with a tshirt in for the first half. Spent most of half time warming up on the ground and has now run on and starting second half on the ground.
For those interested, the match feed on the right hand side of the AFL website provides useful bits of info / game stats from time to time. Reading through that, we can't transition the ball out of D50, the hawks have scored numerous goals from turnovers, and we had 10 players out of 23 in the 1st half that didn't lay a tackle.
One positive -our goal kicking has been pretty accurate. Yay.
It's a minor miracle we're as close as we are.
Umpire 20 having a great night tonight as the Dawks 19th on the Park....given them everything
Judging by the vision, I reckon the coach let the skipper know that at half time too.
The skipper? Was he running late to the match? Haven't seen him.
Bam Bam having a better game second up
Bam Bam having a better game second up
Nice goal from him...been good
Umps are having a mare.
How the hell are we in the lead ?
We're winning!
If I counting right we kicked kicked 8 goals this qtr?
How the hell are we in the lead ?
Cause we've kicked 8 goals for the qtr.
We're winning!
If I counting right we kicked kicked 8 goals this qtr?
8.1 by my count in the 3rd - premiership qtr here we come !!
Ok when was the last time we kicked 8 goals for the qtr?
For all the criticism of the strip, I actually dont mind it.
Ok when was the last time we kicked 8 goals for the qtr?
I'm guessing some time under Ratts, but I'm not sure.
It's a very scrappy game, neither side looks much good.
Unless we totally shut up shop in the last, we are a real chance to break 100points for the first time in eons ;)
Burgoyne 0.5, Gunston 1.3. Take advantage boys - you won't see those figures too often.
It's a very scrappy game, neither side looks much good.
Not sure any side looks any good this time of the year. I'll take an 8 goal qtr though.
Ok when was the last time we kicked 8 goals for the qtr?
Rnd 8 2014 v Stk
It's JLT, but we've only been able to take 6 marks inside F50.
That is a huge concern, it'll never be easier for forwards than in the pre-season!
I'm guessing some time under Ratts, but I'm not sure.
Under your old mate MM
Rnd 8 2014 v Stk
Cheers G2C hope we can do it a few more times this season
Under your old mate MM
Ah Micky - love him to bits.
It's JLT, but we've only been able to take 6 marks inside F50.
That is a huge concern, it'll never be easier for forwards than in the pre-season!
There's plenty to worry about based on this match. Hopefully the boys have just been told to get through unscathed.
Frawley and Poppy both injured apparently.
It's JLT, but we've only been able to take 6 marks inside F50.
That is a huge concern, it'll never be easier for forwards than in the pre-season!
As long as they are going through the goals. We're just a goal away from 100!
Roughy looks old poor bugger
As long as they are going through the goals. We're just a goal away from 100!
We cannot expect every game to be like this, we're nine shots down on the Dawks and they have lost some major ball movers from last season. I realise it's only JLT, but we have a relatively full forward line in tonight.
Any comments on Weeters ?
102 points, if you don't mind.
Ton up baggers
We cannot expect every game to be like this, we're nine shots down on the Dawks and they have lost some major ball movers from last season. I realise it's only JLT, but we have a relatively full forward line in tonight.
Don't stress, it's JLT. If we're kicking 8 goals in a qtr something is going right. Just want another goal so we finally get 100. I'll take that anywhere. Levi's just kicked the handy point..lol.
EDIT: 100!!!!!!
We've kicked over 100 and against the Dawks!
Way to go boys
On the radio, it sounds like Jones has been good.
Poppy faking injury, off with a knee, back on when a win is an option!
We've contributed 83 of their 89pts with turnovers. Just trying to keep it interesting...lol.
Poppy faking injury, off with a knee, back on when a win is an option!
Radio said it was a mild corky ?
On the radio, it sounds like Jones has been good.
On the radio.
Plowman and Jones have been ordinary watching the game.
On the radio.
Plowman and Jones have been ordinary watching the game.
Thanks.
Radio said it was a mild corky ?
Could be, but looked like he was holding the outside of his knee, not much muscle there!
Need to practice maintaining a lead now
Thanks.
I reckon ignoring Weitering who is dominant, Byrne was probably our best defender, he played well when they were all over us.
O'Shea knows how to get to the ball but jeez, his ball use at AFL level is pretty ordinary.
Jones needs to do more than just punch the ball OOB. Don't get me wrong he's great at that, but it just gives the opposition repeat I50 stoppages/scoring opportunities. He's had more opportunity to mark than Weitering, yet Weitering has 12 marks, Jones has 4! Marks mean clean disposal or an exit from our D50. Jones is too mobile to be statically punching the ball away, he has to mark and attack.
Victory comrades.
Wins a win
We win! Where can I get my GF tickets...lol.
Big spread of goal kickers - another positive.
I WOULDN'T BE PLAYING mURPHY RD 1 ON CURRENT FORM....
SOFT, SOFT, LAZY
Not sure what the stats will say, but I expect Daisy had very high efficiency tonight, quite a good game.
Happy with the defence.
Happy again with signs from Pickett.
Not too happy with the forward or midfield setup, the Dawks dominated.
I WOULDN'T BE PLAYING mURPHY RD 1 ON CURRENT FORM....
SOFT, SOFT, LAZY
Ha Ha Ha, it's JLT and he's a 30 year old A-Grader in no danger of losing his spot!
Not sure what the stats will say, but I expect Daisy had very high efficiency tonight, quite a good game.
Happy with the defence.
Happy again with signs from Pickett.
Not too happy with the forward or midfield setup, the Dawks dominated.
If it improves we might kick 200!
I WOULDN'T BE PLAYING mURPHY RD 1 ON CURRENT FORM....
SOFT, SOFT, LAZY
match feed on the AFL website and the guys on the radio says his 2nd half was very good.
Thomas was a second highest rated player and went at 87.5% DE! :o
Weitering, top rated, most disposals, and 84.6% DE, that's exactly what we need! ;)
Not impressed, should have lost by 6 goals.
Small forwards look lively though.
Awesome over 100 been a while since we did that, good to have the win, especially as the balance was thrown out with Kruzer going off early , Levi in the ruck etc
Cripps and Murph turned up the volume after half time, Daisy probably our best over the four quarters, Zac Fisher shows a ton of promise.
It was an average game but it's always nice to beat Hawthorn.
Small forwards look lively though.
Look good don't they, not sure what to think given it's JLT, pressure is lower but positive signs from a couple.
Given we had not won a JLT game for 2 years prior to this season I'll take what we delivered.
Not impressed, should have lost by 6 goals.
Small forwards look lively though.
As they say, the sign of a good side is one that plays badly and still wins.
That apply to JLT?...lol.
Awesome over 100 been a while since we did that, good to have the win, especially as the balance was thrown out with Kruzer going off early , Levi in the ruck etc
That was Levi's best ruck effort against a reasonable opponent, even excluding them running Schoenmakers against him a fair bit.
Ignoring his opponent, he actually hit some targets with taps and followed up his work with some shepherds and body work. I'd like him to apply a few tackles when rucking.
match feed on the AFL website and the guys on the radio says his 2nd half was very good.
He and Cripps stepped it up in the 2nd half, Crippa had 10 to half time and 19 in the second half.
Not impressed, should have lost by 6 goals.
Small forwards look lively though.
Bad kicking = Bad Footy, should, coulda, woulda, didnt. But yes, the smalls were very lively.
match feed on the AFL website and the guys on the radio says his 2nd half was very good.
he was hopeles all night and coughed up thw ball repeatedly and sofly.
New Dad, been there. It f...s with yuo, but he was a waste od space tonight.
Good to steal one after an 18 tackle first half.
Bad kicking = Bad Footy
True, the Dawks played bad footy, but we've done that for almost a decade, played well and kicked rubbish, so the Dawks fans should be very worried! I think they are in big trouble, they cannot play blokes like Poppy and Burgoyne everywhere in the real season.
Box Hill 17.9.111, Northern Blues 10.11.71.
GOALS: Johnston 2, McCabe 2, Costigan, De Koning, Harman, Kerr, Lebois, Pearce
DISPOSALS: Federico 21, Polson 16, Kerridge 15, Pearce 15, Strachan 14, Fisher 13
Not the best. But that is the way it goes. Box Hill are apparently the favourite for the flag, for what it is worth.
He and Cripps stepped it up in the 2nd half, Crippa had 10 to half time and 19 in the second half.
I guess the coach's gentle words of encouragement at 1/2 time did the trick.
Bad kicking = Bad Footy, should, coulda, woulda, didnt. But yes, the smalls were very lively.
We won a Preliminary Final once kicking 16.8 to 14.17. Wasn't it nice!!!
Box Hill 17.9.111, Northern Blues 10.11.71.
GOALS: Johnston 2, McCabe 2, Costigan, De Koning, Harman, Kerr, Lebois, Pearce
DISPOSALS: Federico 21, Polson 16, Kerridge 15, Pearce 15, Strachan 14, Fisher 13
Not the best. But that is the way it goes. Box Hill are apparently the favourite for the flag, for what it is worth.
Did young Zac Fisher play both games, or is that another Fisher? :o
Ooops, Sam Fisher of course! :-[
Cripps and Murph turned up the volume after half time, Daisy probably our best over the four quarters, Zac Fisher shows a ton of promise.
It was an average game but it's always nice to beat Hawthorn.
Crips had 29 possessions, but they were almost all handballs.
Murphy had 23, again a lot of handballs.
Weitering had 26 disposals and 12 marks. Jones has 17. The Hawthorn tall forwards did nothing!
Kennedy had 20: 10 kicks and 10 handballs.
My green shoots?
- Broke the 100 point barrier
- Zac Fisher will be a player
- Liked they way Wieters slotted back in
- Liked the way Cunners went about doing his job
- Liked the fact we werent intimidated and never ever gave up
Not impressed, should have lost by 6 goals.
Small forwards look lively though.
Were you at the game, watching it on line or just sooking that your man Malthouse is no longer involved?
We lost our most important player, kicked 8 goals in a quarter, and held out to defeat one of the powerhouse clubs of the last 50 years. Yes, it’s only a JLT game but the effort we put in tonight was a significant improvement.
Thought Pickett had some very good cameos but how to get him more involved....
I WOULDN'T BE PLAYING mURPHY RD 1 ON CURRENT FORM....
SOFT, SOFT, LAZY
Did you actually watch our games?
Thought Pickett had some very good cameos but how to get him more involved....
Got some toe the lad
Got some toe the lad
Exciting and important player...it wasnt the flashy stuff that impressed me it was the way he steadied and it shows maturity from how he played last season.
Scrappy game no doubt. But a win interstate for our youngsters will provide what a loss anywhere can't, and some. Bonding Blues on route from the Apple isle.
All the very best to big Kruez. He was sensational before his injury.
Given our slow start, and Kruez's early exit, I thought we stayed the course and turned it up at crucial times. Excellent signs of the cohesion building IMO.
Finally cracked the 100 and kicked well at goal. Wooohoooo ;D
Go Blues.
Thought Pickett had some very good cameos but how to get him more involved....
Agreed. It's been nice winning the two preseason games but I'd almost be willing to sacrifice a third win to llet Pickett and SPS have a lot of time on the ball and see what happens.
Do you actually watch our games?
Unless certain players are clearly BoG, they get targetted week in week out, some even when they are clearly BoG! You should know that by now!
Murphy had a quiet first half when the Dawks midfield dominated, but then so did Cripps!
Should we drop Cripps from Rnd 1 for being soft, soft and lazy? ;D
Agreed. It's been nice winning the two preseason games but I'd almost be willing to sacrifice a third win to llet Pickett and SPS have a lot of time on the ball and see what happens.
Yeah, only concern is that they are not so effective at stoppages, they need to find a way to compete with bigger bodies, they need to watch their captain!
But in the open, once they are out and moving, they have something special. SPS not fast but can waltz through traffic, while Pickett doesn't have to worry about traffic if he gets out and in the open! ;D
It'll be tougher for Pickett to find space in the real season, we just have to be patient, it'll come to him eventually.
Both need more game time.
Crips had 29 possessions, but they were almost all handballs.
I thought he stemmed the tide at the clearances regardless of how much of the ball he got, he just kept getting his big frame in the way of the Hawthorn runners, slowed things down a bit and made it harder for them.
He's got captain written all over him when Murph hangs up the boots.
I thought he stemmed the tide at the clearances regardless of how much of the ball he got, he just kept getting his big frame in the way of the Hawthorn runners, slowed things down a bit and made it harder for them.
He's got captain written all over him when Murph hangs up the boots.
True, but you have to measure this relative to the Dawks midfield rotations, the Dawks went quite a lot with their B-Graders early in the second half until late when they went back to the A-Graders. By then they had lost the momentum, but the Dawks started winning and spreading again quite late.
I thought he stemmed the tide at the clearances regardless of how much of the ball he got, he just kept getting his big frame in the way of the Hawthorn runners, slowed things down a bit and made it harder for them.
He's got captain written all over him when Murph hangs up the boots.
I think Docherty will be captain and Cripps VC...
Unless certain players are clearly BoG, they get targetted week in week out, some even when they are clearly BoG! You should know that by now!
Murphy had a quiet first half when the Dawks midfield dominated, but then so did Cripps!
Should we drop Cripps from Rnd 1 for being soft, soft and lazy? ;D
Bo, because Crippa always puts in - and his body on the line - Murphy plays bruide free footy....
I think Docherty will be captain and Cripps VC...
x2
But I won't be surprised if it passes both of them and ends up with Weitering, this kid is just getting started and fans do not appreciate his level of white line fever.
Scrappy game no doubt. But a win interstate for our youngsters will provide what a loss anywhere can't, and some. Bonding Blues on route from the Apple isle.
All the very best to big Kruez. He was sensational before his injury.
Given our slow start, and Kruez's early exit, I thought we stayed the course and turned it up at crucial times. Excellent signs of the cohesion building IMO.
Finally cracked the 100 and kicked well at goal. Wooohoooo ;D
Go Blues.
Winning is better than losing.
Considering what was happening to us last year in preseason when we scored 32 against Hawthorn in Tassy cracking 100 is definitely better.
Without a ruckman and Bolton pulling all kinds of odd changes (O'Shea / O'Brien / Samo all playing a quarter each, etc.).
The hawks had their best team in and really had a massive crack. Couldn't maintain their early energy levels (they look unfit and short on depth) or kick straight... sucks to be them.
I thought he stemmed the tide at the clearances regardless of how much of the ball he got, he just kept getting his big frame in the way of the Hawthorn runners, slowed things down a bit and made it harder for them.
He's got captain written all over him when Murph hangs up the boots.
That’s the thing with Crippa; it’s not just how much he gets the footy, it’s how much he stops the opposition getting the footy.
I know that there’s a lot of love for Doc but I really can’t see how young Patrick won’t be our next skipper.
True, but you have to measure this relative to the Dawks midfield rotations, the Dawks went quite a lot with their B-Graders early in the second half until late when they went back to the A-Graders. By then they had lost the momentum, but the Dawks started winning and spreading again quite late.
I did not notice any Hawks B graders in the middle. They had Burgoyne, Mitchell and O'Meara playing full games in the middle. They were there all out trying to win that game with little experimentation from what I could tell.
Winning is better than losing.
Considering what was happening to us last year in preseason when we scored 32 against Hawthorn in Tassy cracking 100 is definitely better.
Without a ruckman and Bolton pulling all kinds of odd changes (O'Shea / O'Brien / Samo all playing a quarter each, etc.).
The hawks had their best team in and really had a massive crack. Couldn't maintain their early energy levels (they look unfit and short on depth) or kick straight... sucks to be them.
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I'd agree with that, Hawks looked light on for leadership down back with Hodge out and some of their kids are not ready and the reliance on Mitchell is massive.
When they lose Burgoyne to retirement they are going to be in all sorts of trouble unless they can engineer some big trades..wont make the eight IMO.
Were you at the game, watching it on line or just sooking that your man Malthouse is no longer involved?
We lost our most important player, kicked 8 goals in a quarter, and held out to defeat one of the powerhouse clubs of the last 50 years. Yes, it’s only a JLT game but the effort we put in tonight was a significant improvement.
Watched it on tv dick head.
The hawks had their best team in and really had a massive crack.
I'll tell Shiels and Rioil, sucks to be them!
I suppose Birchall and Langford just make up the numbers.
It wasn't a great game and we got smashed in regards to getting the ball into our 50, against teams like Richmond, Adelaide, GWS etc I would expect that to result in a toweling, however it was great to see the tenacity shown in the comeback.
We need to move the ball a lot sharper by hands, in both the previous two games our opponents have been able to basically bamboozle us with their hands and we can't do the same to them.
My biggest positive from the night though?
Probably the best game I can remember Levi playing. Looks much fitter to me and was the dominant big man on the ground in my eyes. I had him BOG on my first pass watching it, I will see if I feel the same after the replay
I did not notice any Hawks B graders in the middle. They had Burgoyne, Mitchell and O'Meara playing full games in the middle. They were there all out trying to win that game with little experimentation from what I could tell.
You wish! ;D
Don't get me wrong we looked OK, but it's wildly optimistic to think the Dawks midfield went hard for four quarters.
Crips had 29 possessions, but they were almost all handballs.
Murphy had 23, again a lot of handballs.
Weitering had 26 disposals and 12 marks. Jones has 17. The Hawthorn tall forwards did nothing!
Kennedy had 20: 10 kicks and 10 handballs.
Our tall forwards did nothing either. Was not a great night for ball handling or high marking.
Probably the best game I can remember Levi playing. Looks much fitter to me and was the dominant big man on the ground in my eyes. I had him BOG on my first pass watching it, I will see if I feel the same after the replay
Yes I agree about Levi, but I had Weitering BoG.
In regard to Levi, it's hard to tell how hard 30 year old blokes with nothing to prove like McEvoy and Murphy are really going in the JLT! For example, would Burgoyne ever kick 5 behinds in the real season! But Levi dominated Schoenmakers, which is good because they are much more likely to be matched in the real season.
I'd reckon the old blokes would do their very best to smash a kid in the pre-season, because that gives them a psychological advantage. But they have very little to gain by going hard against a ten year opponent.
I liked Levi's work rate, he was deep in defence and pushing forward, so he must be fitter.
The best thing to take out of the JLT is when a kid like Pickett makes a senior player look like a goose, the senior player doesn't want the kid to gain confidence under any circumstance!
Have not seen it yet, hopefully find time on Sun. Always good to beat the Hawks and hopefully the coach saw what he was looking for and achieved what he wanted out of this hit out. We certainly practiced dealing a sharp blow (3q) and holding on for the win which looks like it could possibly be our mo this year?
I'll tell Shiels and Rioil, sucks to be them!
I suppose Birchall and Langford just make up the numbers.
They're all injured. Best available team was on the park. Not my fault their list is Dad's Army and can't even make it through preseason. Throughout the season their injury list is only getting worse - not better. Burgoyne is 36 - if he plays more than half the year he'll be doing well and he is easily their best player.
Throughout the season their injury list is only getting worse - not better.
I'll tell Nthmond as well, can we turn back time a sort that out retrospectively?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-claim-another-pre-season-scalp-20180310-p4z3sw.html (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-claim-another-pre-season-scalp-20180310-p4z3sw.html)
Thomas best, laughable....
Ha Ha Ha, it's JLT and he's a 30 year old A-Grader in no danger of losing his spot!
I agree that Murphy does of course play, but the A-Grader label might be a bit of a stretch.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-claim-another-pre-season-scalp-20180310-p4z3sw.html (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-claim-another-pre-season-scalp-20180310-p4z3sw.html)
Thomas best, laughable....
Obviously a flower power conspiracy...
Obviously a flower power conspiracy...
Yes, I looked under my tinfoil hat and found this had been written out as a Nostradamus Prophecy back in 1832!
Don't tell anyone! :o
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-claim-another-pre-season-scalp-20180310-p4z3sw.html (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-claim-another-pre-season-scalp-20180310-p4z3sw.html)
Thomas best, laughable....
Hang on, I feel another prediction coming on.....!
Thomas gets 25 possessions, kicks three goals, and Flyboy calls for his de-listing!
I might have to take this show on the road, I could be the new Uri Geller!
You keep sniping away.
if you think Daisy was our best you're short a few marbles. Simply put.
You keep sniping away.
if you think Daisy was our best you're short a few marbles. Simply put.
Daisy's probably the only one of two or three players who put in four quarters, and he'd clearly be among the best.
The BoG isn't so clear we can name a specific player, or rule anyone of the better players out, unless you are being totally unreasonable!
btw., If you read the threads I had Weitering BoG, but Daisy played very well!
I'll tell Nthmond as well, can we turn back time a sort that out retrospectively?
How many 30+ players were Richmond trying to milk the last drops out of last year?
Not a one.
Between you and Flyboy I better give up making predictions, you're much better at it!
Plus I worry about your math, Langford is 25, Shiels 26, Rioli 28 and Birchall 30.
We'd probably take all four in a heartbeat, maybe Langford is the only questionable one, but then again we still have Kerridge, Graham and Lamb, and we've added Mullett, Lang and Shaw! I'd have Langford ahead of them all!
Who was best?
Probably wasn't daisy but I did like his solid tackling tonight. This remains our biggest weakness at this point... not helped by our skipper.
Certainly wasn't weit who looked a bit panicky all game.
I'd say Cripps. 28 and a goal but counting against him - 1 tackle! WTF!
Ed Curnow can't be picked on this form as much as I love him. There is just too much competition now and he can't kick or handball to his own team.
Certainly wasn't weit who looked a bit panicky all game.
They virtually had two I50s for every one of ours, no wonder he was looking nervous!
He also took 12 marks and had 26 disposals over 95% game time at 84.6% efficiency, not too bad for a panicky defender, certainly not worth talking about! Luckily he had great support from Plowman and Jones, amazing how stats can be deceptive, isn't it?
Also amazing what people see, versus reality! ::)
Cripps had a great 2nd half, but he needs to do far far more than have 21 handballs.
Our midfield was shocking defensively in H1.
But our skill level was deplorable across the field in H1. We gave away a lot of cheap goals 0 and points.
So, after that, it was a good win.
And kudos to Daisy - for doing his job. ;)
just off track...
still cant believe Richmond are premiers.
Three years ago this time, we'd be laughing at them.
I miss those days
just off track...
still cant believe Richmond are premiers.
Did you see the AFL 2018 players poll, they can't believe it either, only 35% of AFL players rate Nthmond to impact the 2018 finals!
That season, for Nthmond injury wise, was one out of the hat like winning Tattslotto!
And kudos to Daisy - for doing his job. ;)
I'll take that as a massive positive from you, even so I concede he might be 50/50 for Rnd 1 subject to how the MC and Coaches see our 2018 unfolding.
Later in the season, Daisy will probably be quite useful. Fisher, SPS, Pickett all still look quite fragile as do the newbies like Dow, they do not look like they have a full season in them yet.
Did you see the AFL 2018 players poll, they can't believe it either, only 35% of AFL players rate Nthmond to impact the 2018 finals!
That season, for Nthmond injury wise, was one out of the hat like winning Tattslotto!
tattslotto was still in yellow carbonated paper last time we won a flag!
They virtually had two I50s for every one of ours, no wonder he was looking nervous!
He also took 12 marks and had 26 disposals over 95% game time at 84.6% efficiency, not too bad for a panicky defender, certainly not worth talking about! Luckily he had great support from Plowman and Jones, amazing how stats can be deceptive, isn't it?
Also amazing what people see, versus reality! ::)
Cripps had a great 2nd half, but he needs to do far far more than have 21 handballs.
I love Weitering but his decision making was always ultra defensive. Looks to be lacking a bit of confidence to me.
I love Weitering but his decision making was always ultra defensive. Looks to be lacking a bit of confidence to me.
his sweep kicks across his body he screws up , are frustrating at times and costly
tattslotto was still in yellow carbonated paper last time we won a flag!
We are of no relevance in the discussion of Nthmond's 2017 fortunes.
For all the criticism of the strip, I actually dont mind it.
I think it is the best clash strip we have had - not that we need a clash strip against the Dawks
his sweep kicks across his body he screws up , are frustrating at times and costly
How many of those were there tonight?
A couple of things.
Q: When is it OK to punch a bloke in the back of the head in a marking contest?
A: Obviously when Charlie Curnow is in front and marking, check out the lead-up to the Dawks 2nd goal form Poppy.
Q: What sort of effort almost makes up for a spilled defensive mark?
A: Check out Jones effort after he spilled that mark running with the flight late in the 2nd, he almost got to the spoil despite a chain of Dawks handballs!
Positives for returning players:
Lamb looks like he has had a decent preseason - tank seems bigger and previously questionable pace is no longer an embarrassment - he just needs to stop dropping chest marks.
Levi was effective in the ruck - so much fitter and trimmer than previous years
McKay used his body in the ruck contests and chased with intent - showed more than he did at any time in the VFL last year.
Pickett is now chasing almost as hard as he runs when he has the ball.
Fisher = stronger, fitter, faster and seems likely to have more impact on a game
Cuningham - shows he can tackle effectively
Byrne - he is playing
Simpson doesn't seem to have lost any more pace - might have actually recovered a little bit
Getting sick of Huddo's calling, he's becoming more anti-Carlton by the day.
Pretty much every time we scored it was about some poor Dawks mistake, he called the whole game from a Dawks perspective which is odd for a Geelong supporter!
Unless we totally shut up shop in the last, we are a real chance to break 100points for the first time in eons ;)
Well done Nostradamus ;)
That was Levi's best ruck effort against a reasonable opponent, even excluding them running Schoenmakers against him a fair bit.
Ignoring his opponent, he actually hit some targets with taps and followed up his work with some shepherds and body work. I'd like him to apply a few tackles when rucking.
Agree Levis ruck work looked measured. As though he's taken on some good tuition and is putting it into practice. Impressed from a player development view. We haven't been able to say that for a while. Although it's not a big gain, if all players regardless of skill level, improve a little in several area, we're harder to play against.
As long as we keep in mind it's JLT, the competition where Jack Watts kicked 6 straight!
As long as we keep in mind it's JLT, the competition where Jack Watts kicked 6 straight!
Indeed, just jlt.
For mine I'm interested in our performance relative not to other teams per se, but to our previous years. On that measure at least, there are definate signs of progress. Obviously our youngsters will be inconsistent this year, and tire as season passes. Nonetheless we look to be headed in the right direction.
Always good to beat Hawthorn even if it is only JLT.
Daisy and Weitering both had great games.
Murphy and Cripps both had very good second halfs.
Best all round I've seen from Levi too.
Plenty to like about the whole game. We will win more games than a lot of people think this season.
I reckon we could finish around 10th - 12th on the ladder in 2018 with the big push coming in 2019.
Another tick from me - depth of F50 entries. At the point when we had 9 goals on the board, 4 of those goals were from entries that ended up about 15m from goal. Our F50 entries have been poor and too shallow for ages, one of my big gripes. Hopefully this is now being addressed.
A lot to like. We seemed a little lethargic in the first half. Coming from behind to win was full of merit.
Concerned with Murph and Cuningham, when there was real heat and struggle they were invisible.
Especially impressed with Meat and Lamb, both imposed themselves on the game - really like how Lamb has got it over Sicily, the swine! And Meat is certainly no turkey in the ruck. Agree with RR that Lamb looks quicker but needs to hold his chest marks. I like his mongrel and physicality.
ZF to me took the next step. You can really see that this kid could be something quite special. Growing in confidence.
Great attitude after half time.
And like our hit out against the Aints, we seem a lot more efficient. Stats don't flatter us but a winning score is on the board, reminds me of when Wallsy took the reins at CFC.
Getting sick of Huddo's calling, he's becoming more anti-Carlton by the day.
Pretty much every time we scored it was about some poor Dawks mistake, he called the whole game from a Dawks perspective which is odd for a Geelong supporter!
They were all very anti Carlton till it became obvious we weren't going away.
Once we hit the lead and the Dawks started slowing they gave a few faint praises to a few of ours....
My positives - in no particular order:
Daisy - did his job well, hope he keeps it up.
Lamb - a niggling machine, Siciliy lost the plot on a few occasions!
Byrne - looks better and better - and quick - every week.
Weiters - solid first serious hit out. Wish he would kick long on the rebound though.
Pickett - knows he belonsgs now, still cameos but the opposition need to show his serious respect.
Fish - Q1 was outstanding, the rest ok but he stepped up when many others were missing in H1.
Levi - BOG for mine. Stepped up when Special K was forced off.
Kennedy - looking better with every game. Tough match up when he moves forward like Cripps.
The WIN - never gave up, lots of horrible turnovers but we still found a way to win. Respect.
tHE BAD.
1. mURPHY - is it new Dad syndrome? he looked slow, lazy and almot lethargic.
2. Plow, Marchbank, Simmo - played on the whole liked they's shared a big reefer pre game.
3. SOJ - finding it hard to get into games. When selectors need to choose between the likes of SOJ, Lamb, Garlett, Wright, Pickett and Daisy who gets the few spots?
4. The midfield in H1 - was missing in action and entirely absent when we turned it over. That said we turned it over so frequently and so close to goal, not much anyone could have done?
I just watched the highlights package. Definitely a tale of two halves. Too many unmarked Hawks players in the 1st half inside our D50. Real contrast in the 2nd half. Barely any space for them at all.
The tackle count and I50 count are worries for mine. We won't always be so efficient with our scoring. Simply must generate more scoring chances. Simply bad kicking for goal that cost the Hawks. Their general field play was much better than ours in the 1st half, but evened up after that. Good fightback, but still enormous amounts of work to do.
A lot to like, but the Hawks really should have won that by 4-5 goals... i like that we are making a real effort to move it forward quickly, but we are going to get punished against the better teams for errors... a few too many of them last night given rd 1 is not far away.
A lot to like, but the Hawks really should have won that by 4-5 goals... i like that we are making a real effort to move it forward quickly, but we are going to get punished against the better teams for errors... a few too many of them last night given rd 1 is not far away.
Should have, could have....DIDN'T.
Learning to win when you have dirty days is all part of the curve....
I'll take the victories any way we can get them, but I would much prefer they were based on something of substance, like superior skills, effort, execution, coaching etc., and not just sweating on the opposition having a bad hair day or injuries to their players etc.
We played like D graders for a half of footy (maybe by design).
18 tackles be a senior team in a half is worse than deplorable.
Yet we won. Should they have kicked straighter? Of course, but bad kicking is bad footy. And we won't play a half of footy as bad as H1 last night again in 2018 imo.
Need to get SPS up to speed too. He weaves through traffic like it's non existent.
Amused with Fox Sports' take on the Hawks this year:
HAWTHORN
This shapes as an interesting season to be a Hawks fan. Having started 2017 in disastrous fashion, the club actually performed quite well throughout the back-end of the campaign. But can they sustain that across an entire season and work themselves back into finals contention? Alastair Clarkson’s squad was decimated by injury last year, forcing him to move the magnets. But with key defenders back, Jack Gunston could return to the forward line. However, expect James Sicily to remain down back. It’ll make Hawthorn a much stronger side, as will having a fully-fit Jaeger O’Meara throughout the season. One thing’s for sure — never write-off Clarko.
Range: 6-10
I liked this!
In the midfield there are questions over who exactly will fill the massive hole left by Bryce Gibbs’ departure.
Brendon Bolton told Fox Footy at halftime on Saturday night the answer wasn’t anyone in particular — but then went immediately on to point out the recruitment of Matthew Kennedy.
The Giant-turned-Blue, which we believe is now an official Census designation, seemed an ideal recruit during the trade period — a young (20 years old) inside midfield bull.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afl-preseason-jlt-community-series-week-3-hawthorn-v-carlton/news-story/ac14b809dc342dafc81d9ac8d90dc185 (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afl-preseason-jlt-community-series-week-3-hawthorn-v-carlton/news-story/ac14b809dc342dafc81d9ac8d90dc185)
I liked this!
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afl-preseason-jlt-community-series-week-3-hawthorn-v-carlton/news-story/ac14b809dc342dafc81d9ac8d90dc185 (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afl-preseason-jlt-community-series-week-3-hawthorn-v-carlton/news-story/ac14b809dc342dafc81d9ac8d90dc185)
Kennedy allows Cripps to play forward which is going to win us some games....Fisher too has picked up some of the slack from Gibbs...reckon Gibbs did us a favour going and we
will be much better for it as more players run through the middle....you add Samo and Dow and its a better mix.
Murphy's role has also been reduced and the old way of doing things in the midfield and relying on him and Gibbs plus Cripps only is over, we can be more attacking and only need
the one tagger in Ed Curnow...
...... we can be more attacking and only need the one tagger in Ed Curnow...
I think we've only ever needed one tagger, it was the lack of freedom from certain coach that destroyed player flair and confidence!
Like I've written before a game plan that primarily states, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him and Stop Him is a dead set loss!
btw., I've noticed that Cam Bruce is taking a lot of responsibility in the JLT, is this just a JLT thing or is this Bolton looking at his own weaknesses(Perceived by some to be match day tactics!) and delegating blokes like Bruce and Barker to step up!
If it is then kudos to BB, it's really the way Parkin managed himself and it's proven to work very well. It's a far better option than trying to run an autocracy, not mentioning any names!
btw., I've noticed that Cam Bruce is taking a lot of responsibility in the JLT, is this just a JLT thing or is this Bolton looking at his own weaknesses(Perceived by some to be match day tactics!) and delegating blokes like Bruce and Barker to step up!
If it is then kudos to BB, it's really the way Parkin managed himself and it's proven to work very well. It's a far better option than trying to run an autocracy, not mentioning any names!
I think this is what Clarkson does.
I think we've only ever needed one tagger, it was the lack of freedom from certain coach that destroyed player flair and confidence!
Like I've written before a game plan that primarily states, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him and Stop Him is a dead set loss!
If your statement is true, then something changed from 2011 to 2013-14, because in 2011 the Pies lost 2 games, kicked nearly 2600 points for, and a 167.66%. That's off the charts, and shows he wasn't all defence. I loved watching the Pies that season. Credit where it's due.
Kennedy allows Cripps to play forward which is going to win us some games....Fisher too has picked up some of the slack from Gibbs...reckon Gibbs did us a favour going and we
will be much better for it as more players run through the middle....you add Samo and Dow and its a better mix.
Murphy's role has also been reduced and the old way of doing things in the midfield and relying on him and Gibbs plus Cripps only is over, we can be more attacking and only need
the one tagger in Ed Curnow...
That thought has crossed my mind EB but I guess it remains to be seen. I agree that the old era is now well and truly over. I'm very much looking forward to a new and more dynamic approach and I think being able to establish an advantage and hold on to it will be a feature. We will play with periods of lock down based on our good defence and try to strangle/spoil the opposition, alternating with periods of swift attacking footy based on quick and accurate ball movement. I don't think we will see the all-out style of the Doggies in their flag year or the helter skelter style of Freo of a few years ago. Much more measured and calculated.
Should have, could have....DIDN'T.
Learning to win when you have dirty days is all part of the curve....
Agree
I think one fact we can all agree with is that Clarkson would have been filthy losing that game, especially after leading by 4 goals at one point in the 3rd quarter.
:) :) :)
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-claim-another-pre-season-scalp-20180310-p4z3sw.html (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-claim-another-pre-season-scalp-20180310-p4z3sw.html)
Thomas best, laughable....
Certainly not when you look at the number of possessions he had over the game. He appears to have been the spark, but BOG is something of a stretch.
just off track...
still cant believe Richmond are premiers.
Three years ago this time, we'd be laughing at them.
I miss those days
You are not alone. Hopefully we can laugh after Round #1. That would make things somewhat closer to being right.
You wish! ;D
Don't get me wrong we looked OK, but it's wildly optimistic to think the Dawks midfield went hard for four quarters.
They wanted to win badly enough. We wanted to win more. I'm happy enough with that.
The three stand out observations for me from last night were
(1) Kennedy - I think this guy is going to be an absolute ripper. Reminds me of Trent Cotchin and Dylan Shiel. And with the 7 on his back, almost a reincarnation of Brett Ratten.
(2) Pickett - hopefully he will learn to be a bit more present, but his ability to run and carry take me back to the days of Vinnie Catoggio! He will make plenty of opposition fans very nervous (and sometimes his teammates....). Pretty good overhead for a guy his size as well, so he may well inherit the mantle of Eddie Mk 2. Can't wait to see tandem work with Garlett.
(3) Weiters - ready to reclaim his role as a rock solid defender. Stop swinging him all over the place until he is right on top of his game. It's easy to forget he has only played 42 games, and most good judges say newbies (especially bigger guys) don't really know how to play the game until they have at least 50 under their belt.
If we play our cards right, in a couple of seasons we will have a hard core of 22-24 year olds ready to take the competition to pieces. Think Brisbane in the early 2000s......
I think we've only ever needed one tagger, it was the lack of freedom from certain coach that destroyed player flair and confidence!
Like I've written before a game plan that primarily states, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him, Stop Him and Stop Him is a dead set loss!
I can't agree with you on this, LP. Having and tagger is necessary, but having a 2nd option is always useful.
Last year, when Ed Curnow was out, Kerridge came into the side and did a negative role, and managed to get a lot of the ball as well. He had some tremendous games late in the season in that role.
At the moment he is off the pace in the 2's, but that will probably change in a week or 2.
I don't know if he can do the job full time, but having the option is a really good thing for us.
Also Polson was used in a negative role late last season. With his pace he could be very good doing that in the future.
Why do I bring these guys up?
Two reasons. Having one tagger is fraught with danger - a point source error. If that tagger gets beaten badly, we have no backup.
Secondly, some teams have 2 guys that simply need to be picked up and squashed.
I don't think we can afford 2 players who contribute nothing going forward, but the ability to stifle the oppositions best players (something we have been poor at in recent times) can be the difference between victory and defeat.
It is good having Ed Curnow back. He is our best tagger at the moment and he has been getting reasonable stats himself. However, we miss a guy a Carrazzo, who not only kept guys out of the play, but who also provided a heap of drive themselves. Guys like Carrots do not come along all that often.
When we have the best midfield in the competition and guys look to tag our guys out of the game and can't, because WE have too many options, then we can afford to go light on the tagging.
Should have, could have....DIDN'T.
Learning to win when you have dirty days is all part of the curve....
X3
Many roads lead to Rome. Staying on route or finding and adjusting to a new and effective one is what needs championing. We've seen this again and again, commonly referred to as being outcoached.
From what I've seen of the BB Way, I suggest it revolves around flexibility.
Whilst turning over the list, he's established defensive modes. Smart. We were for the most part spared of the 100 point slaughtering. Now as the list is close to complete, he's establishing offensive modes. I have no doubt there's multiple options which will respond to the foreseeable challenges of any given opposition. That's not to say we'll be able to execute any/all options at this stage. My guess is, that's what we're working towards. Flexibility with robust core strengths if you will.
Let's take one of our most maligned players in Levi. Using last night as a sample, he was able to adapt quickly and offer a robust (much improved ruck skill) alternate when Kruez went down. As dominant as Kruez was, with time, we adjusted and ground it out. Bugger me we had an 8 goal quarter and a total of 11 goalkickers. We were playing without our only 2 AA players for goodness sake, and our young group were challenged playing interstate. Who'd have thought that was possible.
Was the Master cleverly outcoach by his Emissary O:-)
Note to The Master: bad goal kicking is bad football.
Yes, it's only JLT. But... IF our performance in JLT 1 AND 2 reflect the development of this young group, The BB Way is the right way ^-^
Looks to me like our rebuild is nearly complete in terms of structures and processes. It now needs time for the players to grow together and consolidate their individual foundations (strength weakness). If they can integrate individual strength flexibly into a team first mode - anything is possible in the years to come.
Go new Blues
I can't agree with you on this, LP. Having and tagger is necessary, but having a 2nd option is always useful.
Last year, when Ed Curnow was out, Kerridge came into the side and did a negative role, and managed to get a lot of the ball as well. He had some tremendous games late in the season in that role.
At the moment he is off the pace in the 2's, but that will probably change in a week or 2.
I don't know if he can do the job full time, but having the option is a really good thing for us.
Also Polson was used in a negative role late last season. With his pace he could be very good doing that in the future.
Why do I bring these guys up?
Two reasons. Having one tagger is fraught with danger - a point source error. If that tagger gets beaten badly, we have no backup.
Secondly, some teams have 2 guys that simply need to be picked up and squashed.
I don't think we can afford 2 players who contribute nothing going forward, but the ability to stifle the oppositions best players (something we have been poor at in recent times) can be the difference between victory and defeat.
It is good having Ed Curnow back. He is our best tagger at the moment and he has been getting reasonable stats himself. However, we miss a guy a Carrazzo, who not only kept guys out of the play, but who also provided a heap of drive themselves. Guys like Carrots do not come along all that often.
When we have the best midfield in the competition and guys look to tag our guys out of the game and can't, because WE have too many options, then we can afford to go light on the tagging.
I think our point of difference is how many players who can tag versus how many are in tagging roles at any one moment!
I expect in the team on the day we can have multiple players capable of tagging, but I think having one actually doing some tagging is enough to disrupt most opposition clubs, and having more than one player tagging just hurts your own team by making it's game play one dimensional.
Getting sick of Huddo's calling, he's becoming more anti-Carlton by the day.
Pretty much every time we scored it was about some poor Dawks mistake, he called the whole game from a Dawks perspective which is odd for a Geelong supporter!
Never mentioned for the entire game was the fact that we beat them comfortably late last year with Cripps / Curnow / etc out. Didn't rate a mention by any commentator that I heard. Didn't fit with the ongoing storyline that Carlton are 5hit.
Great to see us leaving more players up in the forward line... and straight away kicking bigger scores.
Never mentioned for the entire game was the fact that we beat them comfortably late last year with Cripps / Curnow / etc out. Didn't rate a mention by any commentator that I heard. Didn't fit with the ongoing storyline that Carlton are 5hit.
We beat them by 7 points in R22 (not comfortable IMO) - they had a few more scoring shots than us, not dissimilar to last night.
We've been in the doldrums for ages, they've won 4 flags since 2008. We finished 15th in 2016 and 16th last year, they finished 3rd and 12th. What should the commentators be saying ?
And can i also add, the commentators on AFL radio last night (one of whom was Teflon Terry Wallace) were quite complimentary about our team and our effort.
For all the possessions he accumulated, Tom Michell doesn’t hurt the opposition.
And can i also add, the commentators on AFL radio last night (one of whom was Teflon Terry Wallace) were quite complimentary about our team and our effort.
I thought that Dunstall and Healy were both very positive about us both in terms of team performance and individual players. When Pickett gathered the ball on the boundary line Dunstall yelled “Take him on!” and was effusive in his praise when Pickett’s efforts resulted in a goal.
I thought that Dunstall and Healy were both very positive about us both in terms of team performance and individual players. When Pickett gathered the ball on the boundary line Dunstall yelled “Take him on!” and was effusive in his praise when Pickett’s efforts resulted in a goal.
Yes, the victim mentality that some on here display is really something. Of course bias exists, but it gets blown out of all proportion. Nobody said we were crap in late 2011 early 2012. Go back and read the articles. So what happened since then ? We became crap, hence the commentary.
And Dunstall is one of the fairest commentators, as long as he's surrounded by people vaguely sensible, like Healy. Sometimes he does the Sunday match, and they pair him up with clowns, and then he's not so good.
From the sounds of it across the media the view was a positive vibe alround .
Update on Kreuzer?
Just finished watching the replay - I thought the commentary was pretty fair tbh. Dunstall is always good imo. Not so keen on Huddo but he was OK in this game. Don't usually have too much of an issue with Healey.
Anyway, we did what was needed to win the game which is a very good sign.Although we can still be a bit rough around the edges skill-wise there are very encouraging signs there. Harking back to EB's earlier post it is very obvious that we have now moved into the new era - the prime movers are be the younger guys led by Cripps. We can now move the ball forward quickly and score goals which is very very encouraging. Just one player comment - I thought Lamb did some good stuff and he may surprise - just a hunch.
Just one player comment - I thought Lamb did some good stuff and he may surprise - just a hunch.
Agreed, he was responsible for at least two goals with little taps and blocks that allowed team-mates to squeeze out a shot.
Update on Kreuzer?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-10/blues-remain-upbeat-on-stars-ankle-injury
That's about it for now. No medical reports, just Cam Bruce's estimate that he should be ok for R1. Not terribly reassuring.
Hope he is ok, not a key element we need to have missing from day one. Not sure on Lobe , right size etc, but only real back up .
Agreed, he was responsible for at least two goals with little taps and blocks that allowed team-mates to squeeze out a shot.
I think Lamb is a cert for Rnd1, his new found role as an agitator will get him the job on his old friend Houli who is an important player for the Tigers...lock it in IMO...
i doubt Houli will be playing EB.
i doubt Houli will be playing EB.
Hope thats the case Fly but I think Lamb will still be in the team and playing a similar role....
Hope thats the case Fly but I think Lamb will still be in the team and playing a similar role....
Jed gets a game ahead of SOJ on current form.
Jed gets a game ahead of SOJ on current form.
Does he? SOS (imo SOJ sounds ridiculous) played well when the ball was actually in his area last night. Not brilliant, but always put his body on the line, kicked a beauty, set up another with a great long kick and was pretty decent.
Remember the ball was in our forward 50 a grand total of 39 times
Lamb was good last night as well, but I didn't have a major issue with SOSs game.
Simmo on the other hand was bloody awful.
Does he? SOS (imo SOJ sounds ridiculous) played well when the ball was actually in his area last night. Not brilliant, but always put his body on the line, kicked a beauty, set up another with a great long kick and was pretty decent.
Remember the ball was in our forward 50 a grand total of 39 times
Lamb was good last night as well, but I didn't have a major issue with SOSs game.
Simmo on the other hand was bloody awful.
I reckon SOJ (sorry MIO :) ) worked his butt off and I was quite surprised to see him make up ground on some Hawthorn runners. He must have had a good running coach in the off season.
I really can’t see how Lamb and SOJ could be competing for a spot in the 22. Lamb is a small forward and he would be competing for a spot with Samo, Pickett, Fisher, Garlett and Wright (who had a shocker last night). SOJ is 10cm taller than Lamb and plays the medium forward/third tall role ... very well, particularly with his defensive work.
Kennedy allows Cripps to play forward which is going to win us some games....Fisher too has picked up some of the slack from Gibbs...reckon Gibbs did us a favour going and we
will be much better for it as more players run through the middle....you add Samo and Dow and its a better mix.
Murphy's role has also been reduced and the old way of doing things in the midfield and relying on him and Gibbs plus Cripps only is over, we can be more attacking and only need
the one tagger in Ed Curnow...
Top assessment EB
Another tick from me - depth of F50 entries. At the point when we had 9 goals on the board, 4 of those goals were from entries that ended up about 15m from goal. Our F50 entries have been poor and too shallow for ages, one of my big gripes. Hopefully this is now being addressed.
It was pleasing to hear Dunstall at one stage say "Carlton look like scoring every time the go inside 50" about us.
It was pleasing to hear Dunstall at one stage say "Carlton look like scoring every time the go inside 50" about us.
Really ? - that's good to hear, and hopefully a portent of things to come. In recent times, the only thing that looks likely to happen when the ball get there is that it comes straight back out.
Does he? SOS (imo SOJ sounds ridiculous) played well when the ball was actually in his area last night. Not brilliant, but always put his body on the line, kicked a beauty, set up another with a great long kick and was pretty decent.
Remember the ball was in our forward 50 a grand total of 39 times
Lamb was good last night as well, but I didn't have a major issue with SOSs game.
Simmo on the other hand was bloody awful.
As was Wright but he gets slack as he's a proven performer.
End of the day there are only a few 'free' spots.....i still say SOS (for your benefit) is competing with the likes of Pickett, Garlett etc
Or he takes big Harry's spot...
6 forward spots only.
I don't want to take the shine off the preseason as it has to be great for our membership drive and just for the morale in general, however there are a few things that have come out of the JLT that we really must address.
We have to be much tighter from the very beginning in the middle and most important of all...
We MUST work out a better strategy out of defense, particularly from kick ins. In both the last 2 games we were kicking to packs just to see it come flying back in, we must do better than that. I would be interested to see the differently on how many times we got the ball even over halfway from kick ins compared to how often the ball went straight back into the hawks 50.
Really ? - that's good to hear, and hopefully a portent of things to come. In recent times, the only thing that looks likely to happen when the ball get there is that it comes straight back out.
There appeared to be a concerted effort to lock it in when it got I50. Made me think back to the 3 Amigos/Fev days...sigh. If we can get back to that sort of pressure, we will be in business.
Or he takes big Harry's spot...
There is no spot for McKay if Casboult and Kreuzer are fit.
At this stage I think SoJ is ahead of McKay, but only just, he gets it on work rate but he needs to have far more influence. SoJ needs to get a result for his efforts or his efforts are wasted.
If Kreuzer isn't fit I think Lobbe probably comes in cold, and McKay is still on the outer.
A lot of talk about McKay, but 4 marks in two JLT games won't get a 200cm forward a game in the big time, especially after a zero mark game!
As was Wright but he gets slack as he's a proven performer.
End of the day there are only a few 'free' spots.....i still say SOS (for your benefit) is competing with the likes of Pickett, Garlett etc
Or he takes big Harry's spot...
6 forward spots only.
Why do you say that when SOJ is not a small forward? We are light on when it comes to medium/third tall forwards and SOJ doesn't really have much competition for his spot.
Based on JLT form, our best forward set up would be:
Silvagni Curnow Wright
Pickett Casboult Someone else
Lamb would be part of the forward line rotation.
Hopefully, McKay will improve enough to take Someone else's spot.
Our tall forwards haven't really fired a shot so far, Casboult played well but as a ruck option. Probably the most effective tall forward has been Cripps.
Watching the reply I'm impressed with Bam Bam. He goes in hard and had some strong repeat efforts. He also copped a sneaky high hit from Burgoyne (1.11) q2. I have great respect for him, but that was a lowly shot. Knocked young Matty off his feet good n proper. Perhaps 9 is the new 15 sniper :-\
Great game Bam Bam
Watching the reply I'm impressed with Bam Bam. He goes in and had some strong repeat efforts. He also copped a sneaky high hit from Burgoyne (1.11) q2. I have great respect for him, but that was a lowly shot. Knocked young Matty off his feet good n proper. Perhaps 9 is the new 15 sniper :-\
Great game Bam Bam
Spot on about Kennedy. Bam Bam is a perfect nickname for him. He goes in hard. He might not get as many cheap kicks as Gibbs, but when the contested ball is there to be won I know who I'd rather have. He just smashes in, and takes a few down with him. Even if he doesn't always get a possie, the fewer times the opposition can waltz out of a contest unopposed the better our team will go.
P.S. not taking a pot shot at Gibbs, I reckon he's a very smart player, he's just not an animal around the ball. I still remember a game a few years ago against Adelaide, and at every stoppage Rory Sloane practically threw himself at every ball, and Gibbs stood waiting on the edge for a crumb. Sloane wasn't so highly rated back then, but I think he was on the verge of becoming a gun. I could see that was the type of player I wished we had. Now with Cripper & Bam Bam we have some toughness around the ball, and I think Dow will become a Sloane type player once he gets fitter and stronger. We've got plenty of crumbers and outside players to replace the outside play side of Gibbs' game, such as Fisher (who is fast becoming my favourite mozzie), Murph (who just cruised a little in the JLT, and fair enough for a bloke in his umpteenth season - although not exactly what we might have wanted from the captain of a team that was desperate to win both JLT games), and with a little bit of luck it'd be nice to see O'Brien become a player (he's a better runner, and a better kick than Gibbs, but he obviously has a long way to go to earn the number 4 on his back). And then there's Garlett too.
If you listen to the comments of SOS & Bolts, the plan was never to replace Gibbs like for like, it was to spread his value across a deeper midfield, and Bam Bam is one of those key components. From what I've seen so far, he's a bit of an animal, and I like that.
Yes Kennedy was impressive - he's got "TOUGH" written all over his face in capitals.
If your statement is true, then something changed from 2011 to 2013-14, because in 2011 the Pies lost 2 games, kicked nearly 2600 points for, and a 167.66%. That's off the charts, and shows he wasn't all defence. I loved watching the Pies that season. Credit where it's due.
Yet after 2010 they didn't win a flag, and Malthouse got the kibosh in 2012!
Dane Swan, Scott Pendlebury, Dale Thomas, Luke Ball, Dayne Beams, Travis Cloke, Heath Shaw, Leon Davis, Steele Sidebottom were all at the top of their game, supported by Didak, Brown, Krakour and Jolly. It wasn't a bad list!
They probably should have won 2011 and 2012 as well, it not unreasonable to think the ridiculously heavy workload game plan was the reason they didn't!
Yet after 2010 they didn't win a flag, and Malthouse got the kibosh in 2012!
Dane Swan, Scott Pendlebury, Dale Thomas, Luke Ball, Dayne Beams, Travis Cloke, Heath Shaw, Leon Davis, Steele Sidebottom were all at the top of their game, supported by Didak, Brown, Krakour and Jolly. It wasn't a bad list!
They probably should have won 2011 and 2012 as well, it not unreasonable to think the ridiculously heavy workload game plan was the reason they didn't!
Malthouse didn't coach anywhere in 2012 - he finished up at the Pies at the end of 2011.
I think the Pies lost the 2011 GF partly because Mick had a bad hair day in the coaches box, and partly because of all the emotions regarding the handover to Buckley. I doubt it had anything to do with the players being tired.
Malthouse's last game for Collingwood was the 2011 grandfinal.
The AFL coaching premiership average is roughly 4 flags from 500 games, Malthouse got 3 flags from over 700!
Sometimes stats can be deceptive, I doubt it applies in this case!
The AFL coaching premiership average is roughly 4 flags from 500 games, Malthouse got 3 flags from over 700!
Sometimes stats can be deceptive, I doubt it applies in this case!
Wait where is that based on?
How many coaches have coached for 500 games and how many coaches have won 4 flags?
That seems a strange stat that needs more info
Wait where is that based on?
How many coaches have coached for 500 games and how many coaches have won 4 flags?
That seems a strange stat that needs more info
It's not a strange stat it is just a stat, for coaches with around 500 AFL/VFL games or more the average is 4 flags, it's is a stat without bias or subjectivity.
Like there is only one coach to make it to 300 Home and Away games without a flag!
AFL Coaches Tables (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/coaches_idx.html)
Prior to that last Pies flag, MM had one of the worst coaching averages in AFL/VFL history for a premiership coach with so many games under his belt!
The AFL coaching premiership average is roughly 4 flags from 500 games, Malthouse got 3 flags from over 700!
Sometimes stats can be deceptive, I doubt it applies in this case!
This discussion within a discussion started because you made a comment about Malthouse being too focussed on tagging and destroying player morale. The first point cannot be true if we look at the Pies 2011 season, and the second is pure conjecture. The Pies players seem to like him well enough. I'm not sure what his flag / game ratio has to do with this discussion, but anyway........
I guess we should be very worried about Bolton, because when it comes to being defence minded, he could be Mick's evil twin.........
All discussion that involved some form of opinion without a suitable measure or test are opinion.
That is why the stats are relevant, they are an objective measure of one coach against their peers.
Im not usually a naysayer but ......
I dont know how much to make of our wins. A win is a win and ill take winning ugly anyday but my biggest concern after 2 jlt games is that if both the aints and dawks had of kicked straight, we would have lost both games comfortably.
Im happy and excited at our list and our continued progress but ive still got a few reservations of how far we have actually come...... thus far.
Im not usually a naysayer but ......
I dont know how much to make of our wins. A win is a win and ill take winning ugly anyday but my biggest concern after 2 jlt games is that if both the aints and dawks had of kicked straight, we would have lost both games comfortably.
Im happy and excited at our list and our continued progress but ive still got a few reservations of how far we have actually come...... thus far.
Yes, agree, but it's still early days. Cam Bruce stated quite clearly that he wasn't happy that too much of the game was played in our back half. As I said earlier, still much work to be done. But there's little bits of improvement here and there, which simply has to continue.
It's not a strange stat it is just a stat, for coaches with around 500 AFL/VFL games or more the average is 4 flags, it's is a stat without bias or subjectivity.
Like there is only one coach to make it to 300 Home and Away games without a flag!
AFL Coaches Tables (https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/coaches_idx.html)
Prior to that last Pies flag, MM had one of the worst coaching averages in AFL/VFL history for a premiership coach with so many games under his belt!
Okay so for coaches above 700 games the average number of flags is 3
So it is a strange state you are taking from the history of coaches a pool of 7 and saying their average is, it hardly counts and then there is coaching in the modern era with the number of teams compared to the era of 12 teams.
Most coaches that have a career coaching record above 50% have a good record as a coach, those above 60% are elite.
I am not a fan of Malthouse, but he was successful at the Bulldogs, Eagles and Collingwood, he was just completely awful with us
When two all time great coaches fail at your club it's obvious where the fault is.
When two all time great coaches fail at your club it's obvious where the fault is.
And extra credit should be given to the one coach who achieved even modest success, despite the crippling dysfunctionality pervading the entire organisation.
Simmo on the other hand was bloody awful.
Simmo started the last few years in ordinary form (preseason). Once the whips get cracking in Rnd 1 at the G, Simmo will be the Simmo we know and love (well at least I love him).
Simmo started the last few years in ordinary form (preseason). Once the whips get cracking in Rnd 1 at the G, Simmo will be the Simmo we know and love (well at least I love him).
There isn't a Carlton fan anywhere that doesn't love Simmo, and everything he's done for the club, everything he's achieved, and everything he represents. But he should have retired at the end of 2016. Every player reaches the end at some point, and his last couple of seasons unfortunately represent diminishing returns, at least IMO.
Simmo started the last few years in ordinary form (preseason). Once the whips get cracking in Rnd 1 at the G, Simmo will be the Simmo we know and love (well at least I love him).
Agree.....with no Docherty he will be more important doing the rebounding, Richmond with their fleet of small forwards might get him to gear a bit earlier than usual.
Simmo started the last few years in ordinary form (preseason). Once the whips get cracking in Rnd 1 at the G, Simmo will be the Simmo we know and love (well at least I love him).
Yep
Senior players often use the pre-season as a bit of "shaking out the cobwebs" phase of the season.
It's still important they play, but it's more about getting the 'legs turning over' as it's likely they will have to carry a fair bit of extra weight through the season.
Players like Simpson, Murphy, Ed Curnow shouldn't be judged on these games.
Give them a couple of 'real' games before we start making assessments. ;)
There isn't a Carlton fan anywhere that doesn't love Simmo, and everything he's done for the club, everything he's achieved, and everything he represents. But he should have retired at the end of 2016. Every player reaches the end at some point, and his last couple of seasons unfortunately represent diminishing returns, at least IMO.
Sorry mate, disagree about retiring in 2016. Simmo had plenty to offer last year and still does. He'll be the first to call time on his career when his output is no longer up to scratch. Just a few months ago, he was voted best player during International Rules series, I know its a Mickey Mouse series but he went at it harder than anyone there. Speaks volumes if you ask me. With Doc gone, he'll be an important part of the backline this year.
Sorry mate, disagree about retiring in 2016. Simmo had plenty to offer last year and still does. He'll be the first to call time on his career when his output is no longer up to scratch. Just a few months ago, he was voted best player during International Rules series, I know its a Mickey Mouse series but he went at it harder than anyone there. Speaks volumes if you ask me. With Doc gone, he'll be an important part of the backline this year.
I feel bad about typing my earlier post, because I seriously love the guy. I wanted him as Captain after Judd. But we have HBF's coming out of our ears, and he's the oldest and probably the slowest.
Maybe he should have pulled the pin after 2017, rather than 2016. Either way.............
I feel bad about typing my earlier post, because I seriously love the guy. I wanted him as Captain after Judd. But we have HBF's coming out of our ears, and he's the oldest and probably the slowest.
Maybe he should have pulled the pin after 2017, rather than 2016. Either way.............
Dont feel bad Paul, I get what you mean, comments like this about Simmo is like shooting Bambi. Its a ruthless business with little room for sentiment. Make no mistake, if he was done, SOS would have pulled the pin for him. He still has plenty to offer, especially for our young fellas
I feel bad about typing my earlier post, because I seriously love the guy. I wanted him as Captain after Judd. But we have HBF's coming out of our ears, and he's the oldest and probably the slowest.
Maybe he should have pulled the pin after 2017, rather than 2016. Either way.............
I don't agree. He played well last year and doesn't look slow to me. He's our only experienced defender when ASOS is out.
Just watched the highlights again, noticed that Kruze had an ankle guard of some sort on the right leg, his left one rolled on him. Sloppy prep work by the medicos or just bad luck? I wonder.
Just watched the highlights again, noticed that Kruze had an ankle guard of some sort on the right leg, his left one rolled on him. Sloppy prep work by the medicos or just bad luck? I wonder.
I would be very surprised if both of Kreuzer's ankles weren't strapped to within an inch of their lives. Not that strapping will necessarily prevent an ankle injury, but it may lessen the severity.
I reckon that he had a shin guard on his right leg.
I would be very surprised if both of Kreuzer's ankles weren't strapped to within an inch of their lives. Not that strapping will necessarily prevent an ankle injury, but it may lessen the severity.
I reckon that he had a shin guard on his right leg.
My understanding is that no player hits the track, training or game day, without both ankles strapped. Non negotiable.
I would be very surprised if both of Kreuzer's ankles weren't strapped to within an inch of their lives. Not that strapping will necessarily prevent an ankle injury, but it may lessen the severity.
I reckon that he had a shin guard on his right leg.
It didnt look like a shin guard DJ, it was a ankle guard over the top of his socks. have you seem the types Andy Murray wears or Lleyton Hewitt used to wear? Kruze appeared to have one of those on his right ankle but not the left.
Clarkson had the temerity on SEN today to say that "Carlton are in a different stage of their development and winning meant much more to them".
If Mitchell misses more than a handful of games this year it could very, very ugly for whorethorn. Wouldn't that be awful, simply awful.
It didnt look like a shin guard DJ, it was a ankle guard over the top of his socks. have you seem the types Andy Murray wears or Lleyton Hewitt used to wear? Kruze appeared to have one of those on his right ankle but not the left.
I didn’t notice it G2C but I know the ones you mean; my son used to wear them for basketball, over his taped ankles. I don’t think he bothers with them now as the strapping is more effective.
Clarkson had the temerity on SEN today to say that "Carlton are in a different stage of their development and winning meant much more to them".
If Mitchell misses more than a handful of games this year it could very, very ugly for whorethorn. Wouldn't that be awful, simply awful.
That’s code for, “We’re a team in decline and Bolts did a better job of motivating his team than I did.”
Clarkson had the temerity on SEN today to say that "Carlton are in a different stage of their development and winning meant much more to them".
If Mitchell misses more than a handful of games this year it could very, very ugly for whorethorn. Wouldn't that be awful, simply awful.
^^^
Ok I have no idea what I was trying to say above :-[
Malthouse didn't coach anywhere in 2012 - he finished up at the Pies at the end of 2011.
I think the Pies lost the 2011 GF partly because Mick had a bad hair day in the coaches box, and partly because of all the emotions regarding the handover to Buckley. I doubt it had anything to do with the players being tired.
Geelong had their measure that year. They were the only side they lost to all year.....3 times, one by 96pts.
Geelong had their measure that year. They were the only side they lost to all year.....3 times, one by 96pts.
Yes they bought had great seasons. Clearly, the Cats knew how to ruffle those Pie feathers.
Clarkson had the temerity on SEN today to say that "Carlton are in a different stage of their development and winning meant much more to them".
If Mitchell misses more than a handful of games this year it could very, very ugly for whorethorn. Wouldn't that be awful, simply awful.
What about in round 20 last year when they were playing to stay in the finals and we were playing to stay off the bottom... did that mean more to us also? We won that one too Clarko.
Clarkson had the temerity on SEN today to say that "Carlton are in a different stage of their development and winning meant much more to them".
If Mitchell misses more than a handful of games this year it could very, very ugly for whorethorn. Wouldn't that be awful, simply awful.
It was a silly thing to say but I'm guessing his motive was to save face for his players... publicly. He's got some problems at Dawksville.
Hawks will struggle all year. No real firepower anywhere on the ground, especially in the midfield...
Hawks will struggle all year. No real firepower anywhere on the ground, especially in the midfield...
Roughy looked very old and slow during JLT, not sure what role they will use him in.
Roughy looked very old and slow during JLT, not sure what role they will use him in.
Apparently he has very little feeling in his feet; a side effect of his cancer treatment. I imagine that could make someone look old and slow :(
Hawks will struggle all year. No real firepower anywhere on the ground, especially in the midfield...
Mitchell is 90% of their midfield but he's a very limited player.
Burgoyne is their only top quality mid. And they keep trading out draft picks.
Madness.
They still have a long way to fall off the cliff yet.
Mitchell is 90% of their midfield but he's a very limited player.
Burgoyne is their only top quality mid. And they keep trading out draft picks.
Madness.
They still have a long way to fall off the cliff yet.
Agree.....they will try and trade in some readymade midfield talent IMO....Sloane/Wines would be the type they would chase....
Apparently he has very little feeling in his feet; a side effect of his cancer treatment. I imagine that could make someone look old and slow :(
Chemo can cause loss of feeling and in some cases reduction/loss of taste. I know from the experiences of someone close to me. I feel very sorry for Roughy as he is still a young man and I wish him well.
Mitchell is 90% of their midfield but he's a very limited player.
Burgoyne is their only top quality mid. And they keep trading out draft picks.
Madness.
They still have a long way to fall off the cliff yet.
O'Meara goes ok when he can stay on the park. But Yes, I think they've got some work to do.
Apparently he has very little feeling in his feet; a side effect of his cancer treatment. I imagine that could make someone look old and slow :(
Indeed. How long that lasts is the question. He couldn't get off the ground. Our defenders killed him in the air.
Chemo no doubt doesn't help but Roughy just looked old.
Clarkson had the temerity on SEN today to say that "Carlton are in a different stage of their development and winning meant much more to them".
He's just repeating what Carlton (Cripps, I think) said after the game - that we're a young side and we needed a win to help develop a winning culture.
We're in the early stages of development - just like you seem to be.
He's just repeating what Carlton (Cripps, I think) said after the game - that we're a young side and we needed a win to help develop a winning culture.
We're in the early stages of development - just like you seem to be.
Fundamental difference between Cripps saying that about his own team and Clarko using it as a cop out... ah yeah we lost - well we weren't really trying anyway.
Clarko is currently leading his club towards either a successful rebuild via trade or a half-baked attempted shortcut.
Either way it's nothing like what Carlton are doing.
Chemo no doubt doesn't help but Roughy just looked old.
Yeah I'm sure the cancer battle wouldn't have made much difference. ::)
Yeah I'm sure the cancer battle wouldn't have made much difference. ::)
The older players are just going about this time of year and are blowing out the cobwebs AND when the chips were down I thought Roughie had a fairly good effort at trying to lift and impose himself, but he did so like a player who is trying to work his way back into it.
The cancer battle will have caused its own issues, but I doubt it will hurt him signficantly *and its perfectly reasonable to blame it on that if it has*.
The older players are just going about this time of year and are blowing out the cobwebs AND when the chips were down I thought Roughie had a fairly good effort at trying to lift and impose himself, but he did so like a player who is trying to work his way back into it.
The cancer battle will have caused its own issues, but I doubt it will hurt him signficantly *and its perfectly reasonable to blame it on that if it has*.
Roughead had immunotherapy and one of the major side effects of that is fatigue. My dad had 3 X 12 week rounds of chemo and handled it well, he tried immunotherapy and it f^&*ed him. The pulled the pin after two doses.
There was an article a few days ago with Roughy saying he had to stop the immunotherapy because he couldn't take anymore and that he played last season without feeling in his toes.