Saturday 23rd July at in Sydney.
I definitely will not be attending. Although one day I will have to see us in Sydney, as I haven't done that yet.
That said, it is not a high probability that we will win. Sydney seems to have to wood over us at the moment, and I don't like that.
Well they're gonna be angry after losing to Hawthorn thats for sure.
One week at a time!
Now we can look forward to next week: well, I could if it were on TV. But we don't get on TV much. We must do well for Fox subscribers!
My potential changes for next week:
Out: Charlie Curnow, Lamb, Sumner.
Charlie will probably make way for Levi, who will have done his time. He isn't close to match fit, but he did show some nice signs.
Lamb and Sumner have lost form. Their work rate is good enough, but they are not getting the ball enough. They need some time in the VFL.
Weitering: how fit is he? That could force a change I would rather not have to make. But that will come to pass later in the week.
In: Levi Casboult, Boekhorst, .......
Casbout has done his time and needs to come back in.
Bokehorst finally produced the sort of game that we have been looking for. He can come in for one of Lamb or Sumner.
Who else to bring in is a good question: Jones deserves a game, but I expect us to try Jaksch again. Tutt? Well, he has been emergency a lot lately. Everitt or Walker? I wouldn't on their form and fitness. Gowers? He didn't set the world on fire yesterday, but he did have a good period and must be close.
Now we can look forward to next week: well, I could if it were on TV. But we don't get on TV much. We must do well for Fox subscribers!
My potential changes for next week:
Out: Charlie Curnow, Lamb, Sumner.
Charlie will probably make way for Levi, who will have done his time. He isn't close to match fit, but he did show some nice signs.
Lamb and Sumner have lost form. Their work rate is good enough, but they are not getting the ball enough. They need some time in the VFL.
Weitering: how fit is he? That could force a change I would rather not have to make. But that will come to pass later in the week.
In: Levi Casboult, Boekhorst, .......
Casbout has done his time and needs to come back in.
Bokehorst finally produced the sort of game that we have been looking for. He can come in for one of Lamb or Sumner.
Who else to bring in is a good question: Jones deserves a game, but I expect us to try Jaksch again. Tutt? Well, he has been emergency a lot lately. Everitt or Walker? I wouldn't on their form and fitness. Gowers? He didn't set the world on fire yesterday, but he did have a good period and must be close.
Gowers has had a really good period Crash but his last two games have been average (but still miles ahead of what Lamb and Sumner have been offering). He kicked a goal yesterday and anyone who can hit the scoreboard has to be a chance.
I'd like to see Casboult supported by another key forward and I suppose Jaksch has to be given another chance. He is a capable defender and that gives him a very slight edge over Jones.
Now we can look forward to next week: well, I could if it were on TV. But we don't get on TV much. We must do well for Fox subscribers!
My potential changes for next week:
Out: Charlie Curnow, Lamb, Sumner.
Charlie will probably make way for Levi, who will have done his time. He isn't close to match fit, but he did show some nice signs.
Lamb and Sumner have lost form. Their work rate is good enough, but they are not getting the ball enough. They need some time in the VFL.
Weitering: how fit is he? That could force a change I would rather not have to make. But that will come to pass later in the week.
Curnow dropped for Casboult??? WTF??? Been at our absolute worst this year when it's been Levi & no-one else up forward. If anything, the smaller SCG should help Curnow if fitness is his issue. Dropping Curnow simply not gonna happen......
Fair enough. I like what Curnow can do, but he is running around at about 45 - 50% at the moment. I'd like him to get a bit more touch before assuming he is going to be a primary goal kicker.
And I agree totally that Levi should not be on his own. As a single target we are setting ourselves up for failure. We have to have some other targets or we won't score.
We won't be making too many changes after a 7 point loss to a team out of the top 4 by 3%.
Boekhorst for Lamb and Casboult or Jones for Jaksch would be my changes, Everitt didn't do enough in the VFL to earn a spot.
Whiley should be a chance after a big VFL game but he's never shown much at senior level.
The Swans will be after some revenge after getting pipped last week because that one hurt them, sadly, they will take great pleasure in taking out their frustration on our group.
If we can get inside 10-goals of them, that will be a very good result IMO.
I'd give Weitering a break and play Jaksch at CHB. I can understand a bloke needing a game or two to get used to the speed of the main game but a repeat of the poor workrate would not be tolerated.
I'd give Weitering a break and play Jaksch at CHB. I can understand a bloke needing a game or two to get used to the speed of the main game but a repeat of the poor workrate would not be tolerated.
Agree with this. Weiters has looked knackered for a month at least. Jacksh needs to be thrown in the deep end
Agree with this. Weiters has looked knackered for a month at least. Jacksh needs to be thrown in the deep end
If the club has any doubts about KJ's attitude or application he should be given a few games to find out once and for all.
If the club has any doubts about KJ's attitude or application he should be given a few games to find out once and for all.
The club will know everything about KJ's attitude and application from the time he's been with us and from SOS's knowledge of him at GWS. I think that it's more his effort and ability to perform at AFL level that's subject to doubt.
I'd be happy to see him get another go next week but I wouldn't be surprised if he runs out with the NBs.
I'd give Weitering a break and play Jaksch at CHB. I can understand a bloke needing a game or two to get used to the speed of the main game but a repeat of the poor workrate would not be tolerated.
I'd like to give Weitering a break: you are right, he does need it. His form and confidence have been down lately. His injury may not be major (hope not!), but it does allow us to give him a reasonable rest.
Jaksch needs to have his chance. Last year he showed a bit, but couldn't put it all together. He needs to have a chance now. Sydney might now be the best test for him, nor Hawthorn the week after, but if he can show something in these 2 weeks then he has succeeded. Tests like Sydney and Hawthorn do not get any harder. Get through those and he has shown he is worth continuing with. Other chances will follow and be deserved. Fail, on the other hand, and it tells us, and more importantly the coaching staff, what they NEED to know.
It is one of the reasons I would drop Charlie Curnow. He does need to be tested, but it doesn't have to happen until he is ready for it. I don't think he is ready for it yet. If he comes off, it is a HUGE plus, but it is a risk that we don't need to take. But then, does Levi deserve to come back directly? He has generally not played well against Sydney in the past.
What about Thomas? Does he deserve to come straight back in if he is fit enough? And who does he replace? I would bring him back via the VFL, but that has not generally been the case with him. He has usually been brought back without the chance to find form and assure people of his fitness.
I don't mind us playing with the team structure in the next few weeks. We don't have anything to lose. But I would like to see something like our strongest side for the last few rounds. There we could well get some wins. I would also like to make sure that we know what our strongest side should look like. If the next couple of rounds can shine some light upon that, then they have been well spent.
The club will know everything about KJ's attitude and application from the time he's been with us and from SOS's knowledge of him at GWS. I think that it's more his effort and ability to perform at AFL level that's subject to doubt.
I'd be happy to see him get another go next week but I wouldn't be surprised if he runs out with the NBs.
Effort is a product of attitude and application. Ability is another matter and you don't necessarily need it to make an effort if you have a good attitude.
Plenty of players with ability have not made it due to poor attitude and application at the AFL level. Let's hope he's not one of them.
Effort is a product of attitude and application. Ability is another matter and you don't necessarily need it to make an effort if you have a good attitude.
Plenty of players with ability have not made it due to poor attitude and application at the AFL level. Let's hope he's not one of them.
Some players have different development rates albeit have loads of talent.
You're hoping Jaksch is better this year than last year and his VFL form suggests it is.
If he keeps improving every year then he will be a good player for us... confidence is the key as well. Don't think it is attitude or effort more than trying to add some strings to his bow and confidence.
Some players have different development rates albeit have loads of talent.
You're hoping Jaksch is better this year than last year and his VFL form suggests it is.
If he keeps improving every year then he will be a good player for us... confidence is the key as well. Don't think it is attitude or effort more than trying to add some strings to his bow and confidence.
I thought he was better last year ???
Before he was injured he looked OK as a defender. I remember him going forward and kicking a nice goal too.
Out: Jaksch Lamb
In: Boekhorst Casboult
One key forward only again. We're zero from 9 when we've done that and got over 10 goals twice. We're not quick learners there.
KJ papers appear stamped then. Whilst he didn't set the world on fire, I thought he would have been given one more go. We're playing Sydney, gonna get pumped anyway. What's there to lose?
Yes think the same , on KJ , thought he would have got 2 weeks at least, so might be the end of the road for him. Happy with the other change .
KJ papers appear stamped then. Whilst he didn't set the world on fire, I thought he would have been given one more go. We're playing Sydney, gonna get pumped anyway. What's there to lose?
Yep. Disappointing.
No matter what your thoughts on him are, you reckon he should at least be given some time to find his feet.
If we just wanted someone to keep the seat warm until Casboult came back, we should've let Everitt keep his spot for an extra week.
Remarkably little chatter on this thread this week. Is that a commentary about how people think we will fare? I have no idea. But other weeks and other opponents have sparked considerably more traffic.
Carlton
B: Zach Tuohy, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson.
HB: Dylan Buckley, Lachie Plowman, Sam Docherty.
C: Dennis Armfield, Patrick Cripps, Ed Curnow.
HF: Sam Kerridge, Simon White, Jack Silvagni.
F: Matthew Wright, Levi Casboult, Charlie Curnow.
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Nick Graham.
Int: Andrew Phillips, Jacob Weitering, Liam Sumner, Blaine Boekhorst.
Emg: Jed Lamb, Mark Whiley, Kristian Jaksch.
In: Levi Casboult, Blaine Boekhorst.
Out: Kristian Jaksch (Omitted), Jed Lamb (Omitted)
I am a bit surprised that Jaksch got the flick after a single game, even though he was very quiet last week. I thought he would be persevered with for another game or 2. Things are not looking up for him. Is it the kick in the backside he needs? Next few weeks will be interesting for Kristian Jaksch.
Lamb being dropped is not surprise: his form has been ordinary in the last few weeks. He has done enough to be reasonably sure of his place for 2017.
I am a little surprised that Sumner didn't join him in the VFL: he may be working hard, but he hasn't got much ball either. Getting a few kicks and a few goals would be good for him.
I am mildly surprised that Charlie Curnow retained his spot, but I guess the idea is to get games into him. Fair enough.
I don't like White at CHF, but who knows what role he will actually play this week?
I am also mildly surprised that Weitering came up. If he was going to get 'rested', then this week would have been a good one.
Sydney Swans
B: Dane Rampe, Aliir Aliir, Nick Smith.
HB: Jake Lloyd, Heath Grundy, Callum Mills.
C: Dan Hannebery, Josh P. Kennedy, Kieren Jack.
HF: Dean Towers, Lance Franklin, George Hewett.
F: Isaac Heeney, Gary Rohan, Tom Papley.
Foll: Sam Naismith, Luke Parker, Tom Mitchell.
Int: Harry Cunningham, Jordan Foote, Xavier Richards, Callum Sinclair.
Emg: Brandon Jack, Tyrone Leonardis, Toby Nankervis
Sydney's ruck division looks to be something we can work on. Naismith is young and inexperienced. Sinclair hasn't been in tremendous form. However, our rucks have not yet been a dominant force.
Their midfield looks to be where they would be expected to win, even though McVeigh isn't there to get 40+ possessions for a change. Hannebery has got large numbers against us recently.
Everybody and their animal will be putting their money on Sydney this week. I can understand that, but I don't have to like it.
@crash
If one C Judd was still running around for us, i'd give us a sneaky chance. He used to love playing the Swans and would light it up more often than not. I think we will get a proper rogering as I reckon them and the Hawks are the best teams in the comp by a very long way. They will play in the GF.
Yes think the same , on KJ , thought he would have got 2 weeks at least, so might be the end of the road for him. Happy with the other change .
Doubt he's going anywhere given he's contracted for next year plus we used pick 7 to get him. He's does have issues with his attitude off field, keen on a drink, not as keen on training, from what i hear, so that's one aspect he'd want to pick up. He played good footy in the VFL so we know he can play. If all of the above is right then he can be good if he applies himself. Up to him.
I would've put him in defence and let Weitering play forward with Levi.
KJ papers appear stamped then. Whilst he didn't set the world on fire, I thought he would have been given one more go. We're playing Sydney, gonna get pumped anyway. What's there to lose?
Beginning to look that way. He had to make a real impact last week but unfortunately he didn't.
Good changes, obvious changes. Really don't get the love here for KJ, just not up to it.
Graham and Sumner would want to have a good game... if Cuningham comes along well he'd be a monty to replace one of those two.
Love to sea Weits play the whole game forward.
@crash
If one C Judd was still running around for us, i'd give us a sneaky chance. He used to love playing the Swans and would light it up more often than not. I think we will get a proper rogering as I reckon them and the Hawks are the best teams in the comp by a very long way. They will play in the GF.
Yes, a certain Mr. Judd did like playing Sydney, especially with a certain Mr. Jacobs stymying their ruck division.
I can't remember Kreuzer playing a good game against Sydney as yet. Tippett and Sinclair hurt us last time.
I think Sydney are looking pretty good. I was hoping they would beat Hawthorn last week, but the Hawks still appear to have that slight edge against them mentally. Hawthorn are the ones who need a serious rogering. Alas, we are more likely to get it. :(
Really don't get the love here for KJ, just not up to it
If that is truely the case, then i expect him to be delisted at the end of the year.
If we keep him on the list, then we have done him a diservice by dropping him after 1 game.
I don't care if he is your favourite player, or least favourite. Expecting him, or anyone, to pick up the pace of an AFL game after not having played at this level for 12 months is harsh.
He is still only 21.
Expecting him, or anyone, to pick up the pace of an AFL game after not having played at this level for 12 months is harsh.
He is still only 21.
In a nutshell.
I would have kept him in, but I'm also not going to loose any sleep over it. He was poor. Graham also got dropped after comming in for the Brisbane game.
I would have kept him in, but I'm also not going to loose any sleep over it. He was poor. Graham also got dropped after comming in for the Brisbane game.
Perhaps there's a "have an impact or go back to the NBs" policy; and there's nothing wrong with that.
Our defence will get plenty of practice this week with the ball pelting in. We have been pretty good at cutting off the ball this year. Problem is gong the other way. Our midfield is slow and weak, and Boekhorst is not the answer without others that can link up. I struggle to see us having an answer to the wave of runners that will surge forward. Could almost see white getting a defensive role on kennedy as curnow is the only player to limit hannebery.
The omission of Jacksh is odd. He was poor, but so were a few others. If his papers are stamped then what is one game going to change? Or is there the view that he is coming along well and the one game was just part of his development?
Frankly, i would rather casboult stay in the seconds for a week or two with an expectation that he dominates. Unless he can sort his kicking quick smart then his days are pretty numbered as well. He is 26. Jacksh is 21.
If that is truely the case, then i expect him to be delisted at the end of the year.
If we keep him on the list, then we have done him a disservice by dropping him after 1 game.
I don't care if he is your favourite player, or least favourite. Expecting him, or anyone, to pick up the pace of an AFL game after not having played at this level for 12 months is harsh.
He is still only 21.
Exactly. Couldn't have put that better. Needed another crack maybe in defence this time.
Exactly. Couldn't have put that better. Needed another crack maybe in defence this time.
He might have needed another crack but he didn't deserve one. Mind you, I'd have Sumner running around in the NBs too.
Remarkably little chatter on this thread this week. Is that a commentary about how people think we will fare? I have no idea. But other weeks and other opponents have sparked considerably more traffic.
Carlton
B: Zach Tuohy, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson.
HB: Dylan Buckley, Lachie Plowman, Sam Docherty.
C: Dennis Armfield, Patrick Cripps, Ed Curnow.
HF: Sam Kerridge, Simon White, Jack Silvagni.
F: Matthew Wright, Levi Casboult, Charlie Curnow.
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Nick Graham.
Int: Andrew Phillips, Jacob Weitering, Liam Sumner, Blaine Boekhorst.
Emg: Jed Lamb, Mark Whiley, Kristian Jaksch.
In: Levi Casboult, Blaine Boekhorst.
Out: Kristian Jaksch (Omitted), Jed Lamb (Omitted)
I am a bit surprised that Jaksch got the flick after a single game, even though he was very quiet last week. I thought he would be persevered with for another game or 2. Things are not looking up for him. Is it the kick in the backside he needs? Next few weeks will be interesting for Kristian Jaksch.
Lamb being dropped is not surprise: his form has been ordinary in the last few weeks. He has done enough to be reasonably sure of his place for 2017.
I am a little surprised that Sumner didn't join him in the VFL: he may be working hard, but he hasn't got much ball either. Getting a few kicks and a few goals would be good for him.
I am mildly surprised that Charlie Curnow retained his spot, but I guess the idea is to get games into him. Fair enough.
I don't like White at CHF, but who knows what role he will actually play this week?
I am also mildly surprised that Weitering came up. If he was going to get 'rested', then this week would have been a good one.
Sydney Swans
B: Dane Rampe, Aliir Aliir, Nick Smith.
HB: Jake Lloyd, Heath Grundy, Callum Mills.
C: Dan Hannebery, Josh P. Kennedy, Kieren Jack.
HF: Dean Towers, Lance Franklin, George Hewett.
F: Isaac Heeney, Gary Rohan, Tom Papley.
Foll: Sam Naismith, Luke Parker, Tom Mitchell.
Int: Harry Cunningham, Jordan Foote, Xavier Richards, Callum Sinclair.
Emg: Brandon Jack, Tyrone Leonardis, Toby Nankervis
Sydney's ruck division looks to be something we can work on. Naismith is young and inexperienced. Sinclair hasn't been in tremendous form. However, our rucks have not yet been a dominant force.
Their midfield looks to be where they would be expected to win, even though McVeigh isn't there to get 40+ possessions for a change. Hannebery has got large numbers against us recently.
Everybody and their animal will be putting their money on Sydney this week. I can understand that, but I don't have to like it.
I was impressed with Naismith last week...big unit but mobile with some skills....Sinclair towelled us last time especially playing down forward....
Dissapointed to see Jaksch dropped...dont see the logic, however I wouldnt be surprised to see him in and Wetiering out injured....
Boekhorst for Lamb is fair enough and the Swans will test Boekhorst's ability to win some contested ball.....dont want to see him put the handbrake on either and pull out of contests when there is some heat on him physically...
Doubt he's going anywhere given he's contracted for next year plus we used pick 7 to get him. He's does have issues with his attitude off field, keen on a drink, not as keen on training, from what i hear, so that's one aspect he'd want to pick up. He played good footy in the VFL so we know he can play. If all of the above is right then he can be good if he applies himself. Up to him.
I must have missed that game.
I must have missed that game.
You've obviously seen plenty of him in the reserves, from your observations, do you believe he is capable of making it in senior footy or is it a completely lost cause ??
In a nutshell.
Agreed, we don't have anything to lose by playing him for another game or 2. Having said that i will back BB's judgement over my own.
Glad to see Boekhorst back in as well. Along with Armfield, Buckley and Sumner we couldn't possibly play a quicker side which is something we have lacked recently.
Going to be a nice sunny day in Sydney tomorrow so hopefully a bit of leg speed helps.
Like someone said earlier, im also expecting us to be well beaten by the Swan midfield and Buddy.
Hoping for more improvement from the youngsters
KJ papers appear stamped then. Whilst he didn't set the world on fire, I thought he would have been given one more go. We're playing Sydney, gonna get pumped anyway. What's there to lose?
I'd like to offer an alternate view. If they had kept him in the side it may have been to give him a chance to save his career or be used as potential trade bait. By dropping him the message may be to pull your socks up, EARN a game and have a massive pre season.
Won't really know but either way I think at this stage of the season he could have been afforded one more game.
I, too thought KJ might have got another chance.
There is some talk that Weitering may not be 100%, so Jaksch could come in of he doesn't come up.
If we play with the same purpose as we did last week we might not get a huge thrashing.
If that is truely the case, then i expect him to be delisted at the end of the year.
If we keep him on the list, then we have done him a diservice by dropping him after 1 game.
I don't care if he is your favourite player, or least favourite. Expecting him, or anyone, to pick up the pace of an AFL game after not having played at this level for 12 months is harsh.
He is still only 21.
Fortunately the club, re selection, is becoming more and more in the 'harsh' business. Excellent.
Oh for the time when non-hackers won't get a game due to the injury toll in the seniors being high. Oh for the time when our list is strong again and we don't have non-hackers!
Jaksch only got a game because Levi was out... and he can go back.... as he is tall and can punch the ball - better defender than forward. Jaksch's form in the magoos did not demand senior selection - it justified selection when we were bereft of fit talls. Earlier in the year when Plowman was playing in the magoos his form down back demanded senior selection consideration. Why? He took charge of the back line... closed down his opponent, wove through traffic, set up offensive plays. Byrne's form in the magoos demanded senior selection as has Graham's, SOJ (on talent alone) and most recently, Boekhorst. Harry did more in glimpses last game than I've seen Jaksch do in entire games. I've never seen Jaksch ever actually take hold of a game... has Watson morphed into a more slender version of himself? Even Watson had a few bags of 4-5 goals plus. Jaksch is strictly a mark, kick or spoil dude. Even when Levi was in the magoos he would take hold of a game and/or go in the ruck and take control (I still think he's a better ruckman/on-baller than key forward). I would love to be wrong... love to see Jaksch suddenly show mental toughness and tear up the forward line. Where's that magic wand? He might get a reprieve if Weits doesn't come up for the Swans game... if he does, he'd want to grab it.
I hope 'harsh' continues, and may it evolve into us being ruthlessly harsh (re senior selection/holding your place in the seniors). May selection in our senior side become an earned premium and not based on luck or giving someone a go...
I hope 'harsh' continues, and may it evolve into us being ruthlessly harsh (re senior selection/holding your place in the seniors). May selection in our senior side become an earned premium and not based on luck or giving someone a go...
I couldn't agree more Baggers. Players must earn their place and deserve to keep it.
I'm looking forward to the time when our depth is good enough to put everyone in the 22 under pressure to perform.
Predictable selections, in fact I think I called them.
Can't understand the people who think Jaksch should have been gifted another game after such a woeful performance, if he'd even given a glimpse that he was up to senior footy I'd agree but he showed nothing at all.
He's got a month or so to show the club that we should keep him, if he can't then it's just another bad trade to add to the list.
Lamb just not doing enough, 30 touches and a couple of goals in the VFL from Boekhorst and it was a no brainer, Boekhorst is nothing flash but he's a busy player with some pace and skills.
It's an ordinary side without Murphy and Thomas, I'm expecting an easy Sydney win.
I must have missed that game.
When you kick 20 goals so far in a season, which includes playing a few good games in defence it's obvious you are shutting your eyes every time he goes near the ball. He's had two games of 4 goals, two games of 3 goals. He must've fluked all that...lol. The game I saw he was outstanding. To say his VFL hasn't been good on those figures means people have an agenda. If he's doing that playing crap imagine what he'd do if he played well. This is after missing much of his pre-season with illness. He has the ability, depends how much he wants to apply himself with training and off-field, which may be an issue.
I hope 'harsh' continues, and may it evolve into us being ruthlessly harsh (re senior selection/holding your place in the seniors). May selection in our senior side become an earned premium and not based on luck or giving someone a go...
We have no other choice if we want to be successful, but there are a few players in our senior side who are there at the moment simply because we have no one better to replace them.
It was line ball between Sumner and Lamb this week in my opinion and ideally both would have been dropped, Buckley is lucky as well.
But it then comes down to players like Clem Smith or Vojo to replace them, and neither of those are doing enough to earn a game.
Graham is very borderline but Murphy is missing, Thomas and Byrne would replace another couple of stragglers but we'll always have injuries and our depth just can't cover them.
We are two good recruiting years away at least.
The game I saw he was outstanding.
In the VFL Laj, he had his chance last week and showed nothing.
A couple more outstanding games in the VFL and he might get another shot but we couldn't pick him again this week if we are fair dinkum.
When you kick 20 goals so far in a season, which includes playing a few good games in defence it's obvious you are shutting your eyes every time he goes near the ball. He's had two games of 4 goals, two games of 3 goals. He must've fluked all that...lol. The game I saw he was outstanding. To say his VFL hasn't been good on those figures means people have an agenda. If he's doing that playing crap imagine what he'd do if he played well. This is after missing much of his pre-season with illness. He has the ability, depends how much he wants to apply himself with training and off-field, which may be an issue.
It's not that he's playing cr@p, it's that, thus far, his best doesn't cut it at senior level. His best at VFL level is, at times, quite good and at other times quite ordinary. The talent might be there, but the brain sure aint. Watson MKII, different bloke, similar issues.
Good changes, obvious changes. Really don't get the love here for KJ, just not up to it.
Yep, agree, haven't seen a good game, some "lucky" games but not good games.
"Lucky" like the garbage bin that catches the footy kicked into it!
Yep, agree, haven't seen a good game, some "lucky" games but not good games.
"Lucky" like the garbage bin that catches the footy kicked into it!
I saw my first live game this year last week and KJ was a fish out of water. Maybe the senior taste will give him an appreciation of what level he needs to be at but he has a long way to go. His performance was also in sharp contrast to our 3 first year players who all made significant contributions in the 2nd half and were instrumental in getting us back in the game. KJ has been in the the system for a fair while now and is looking less likely to make it as each week goes by. The trade for him Whiley and Boekhorst is shaping up as a bust IMO.
In the VFL Laj, he had his chance last week and showed nothing.
Simpsons showed nothing in 3 games straight! 0 disposals.
I heard Denis Pagan about a month ago talk about that. He told the team to let Simpson take a kickout, and kick it to himself, just so he could get his first disposal!
Imagine if we wrote him off after 1 game....or 3 games.
Blokes need a chance to get used to the speed of AFL. You do not get that chance in the VFL.
You've obviously seen plenty of him in the reserves, from your observations, do you believe he is capable of making it in senior footy or is it a completely lost cause ??
KJ is a good size, has decent hands and is only 21 so I would probably keep him on the list for another year in the hope of seeing some actual improvement. I would rank him with Watson but ahead of Mitchell and McCarthy - previous young talls that some fans were promoting ahead of their abilities.
Simpsons showed nothing in 3 games straight! 0 disposals.
I heard Denis Pagan about a month ago talk about that. He told the team to let Simpson take a kickout, and kick it to himself, just so he could get his first disposal!
Imagine if we wrote him off after 1 game....or 3 games.
Blokes need a chance to get used to the speed of AFL. You do not get that chance in the VFL.
Simmo starred in the magoos. It was obvious he had serious talent. Took him a few senior games to get into the swing of things. KJ has had years and has not dominated at VFL level.
When you kick 20 goals so far in a season, which includes playing a few good games in defence it's obvious you are shutting your eyes every time he goes near the ball. He's had two games of 4 goals, two games of 3 goals. He must've fluked all that...lol. The game I saw he was outstanding. To say his VFL hasn't been good on those figures means people have an agenda. If he's doing that playing crap imagine what he'd do if he played well. This is after missing much of his pre-season with illness. He has the ability, depends how much he wants to apply himself with training and off-field, which may be an issue.
Like I said, I must have missed that outstanding game.
Kicking goals is not necessarily a sign of ability; the level of opposition, soft free kicks, turnovers, uncontested marks and hand passes to a lone player in the goal square can all contribute to the tally. Matthew Watson could kick goals and defend after a fashion; he was also a must better kick than KJ but ultimately, he was unable to win the contested ball and exert sufficient defensive pressure.
I am hoping that KJ will make the grade but have yet to see evidence of it and it is frustrating to see people calling for his inclusion when he has not earned it.
Simpsons showed nothing in 3 games straight! 0 disposals.
I heard Denis Pagan about a month ago talk about that. He told the team to let Simpson take a kickout, and kick it to himself, just so he could get his first disposal!
Imagine if we wrote him off after 1 game....or 3 games.
Blokes need a chance to get used to the speed of AFL. You do not get that chance in the VFL.
While it's true that Simmo didn't get a disposal in his first three games, he actually spent very little time on the ground.
I don't think anyone is writing Jaksch off after one game. After all, Jaksch is in his fourth season on an AFL list and has played 14 senior games. By that stage of his career, Simmo was a regular, had received a Rising Star nomination and was in the leadership group. Yes, some big blokes can take longer and Jaksch might be a regular in 2017, but he's not really up to it now.
Good players don't need to get used to the speed of AFL, but they do need to take the game by the scruff of the neck in the VFL.
To all those who said KJ was okay last week & deserved another go.....shows what you know. Hopefully we've seen the last of him.....clueless footballer, who doesn't compete anywhere near hard enough or read the game anywhere near well enough.
Lamb was absolutely due to be dropped after consecutive putrid games.
Good selections in & out by the MC.
To all those who said KJ was okay last week & deserved another go.....shows what you know. Hopefully we've seen the last of him.....clueless footballer, who doesn't compete anywhere near hard enough or read the game anywhere near well enough.
Lamb was absolutely due to be dropped after consecutive putrid games.
Good selections in & out by the MC.
I've never been a fan but I would prefer he got a few games in a row just so there is no argument from anyone in the land when he gets flung at the end of the season.
I've never been a fan but I would prefer he got a few games in a row just so there is no argument from anyone in the land when he gets flung at the end of the season.
Someone will always argue.
I've never been a fan but I would prefer he got a few games in a row just so there is no argument from anyone in the land when he gets flung at the end of the season.
Touche!
Sorry for the crass analogy, but this whole KJ debate is like worrying about the composted value of that last turd you flushed!
Touche!
Sorry for the crass analogy, but this whole KJ debate is like worrying about the composted value of that last turd you flushed!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Covers it pretty well LP.
While it's true that Simmo didn't get a disposal in his first three games, he actually spent very little time on the ground.
I don't think anyone is writing Jaksch off after one game. After all, Jaksch is in his fourth season on an AFL list and has played 14 senior games. By that stage of his career, Simmo was a regular, had received a Rising Star nomination and was in the leadership group. Yes, some big blokes can take longer and Jaksch might be a regular in 2017, but he's not really up to it now.
Good players don't need to get used to the speed of AFL, but they do need to take the game by the scruff of the neck in the VFL.
If JK could have just tried to look interested? ;)
Slightly of topic but, woke up in hospital a little while ago bit drugged up, left Fox on from earlier, can hear it Carl v Swans game on hear Betts Waite , Garlett , Judd , thought wow we have a forward line again, the last few years were just a bad dream lol boy it was wet that night ..
If JK could have just tried to look interested? ;)
KJ was good in his first game for us after we traded for him. He was solid in defense. He put his body on the line to make a big spoil and got crunched. Hurt his ribs from memory. He spent some time off the ground, but came back on. He showed plenty in that game.
Not sure what has happened to him since then, besides a few injuries, but at only 21, surely you let him get a feel for AFL level once he is in the team.
Its not like we are challenging for the 8 or something.
Talking about (not) looking interested, Everitts last month or so was about as disinterested as anyone has looked in navy bue this year.
KJ was good in his first game for us after we traded for him. He was solid in defense. He put his body on the line to make a big spoil and got crunched. Hurt his ribs from memory. He spent some time off the ground, but came back on. He showed plenty in that game.
Not sure what has happened to him since then, besides a few injuries, but at only 21, surely you let him get a feel for AFL level once he is in the team.
Its not like we are challenging for the 8 or something.
Talking about (not) looking interested, Everitts last month or so was about as disinterested as anyone has looked in navy bue this year.
Well trying to just look interested is pretty much the rock bottom minimum requirement! :))
Everitt for sure is often guilty of not reaching that humble standard of effort and KJ IMO has been another in the very limited amount of times I've seen him play. Obviously it depends what those at the club think of them but I remember a video of the club's training session a few months ago in which Craig was focused purely on KJ and setting him tasks to go out and win in the training contests. There is obviously some kind of issue there.
Blowing a gale up here... For some reason I'll be making my way out to the game. I f'ing hate Sydney, I hate their supporters and I hate the way the get preferential treatment from the umpires whenever they play.
Disappointed to seen Jaksch dropped after only one game. I don't recall seeing him do anything in the game, but like in cricket, there's not much use promoting someone and not giving them a decent chance to perform. It's not like we are challenging for finals, we need to see how well he can go before we cut him loose come season's end. He didn't do a whole lot less than Casboult has done this season. We must be one of the only teams in history to have our main key forward kick less than a goal per game.
Watching the game in Bali ,hope we put pressure on there mids Sydney might be deflated after 2 big narrow losses come out cold .But they will find a way to win and they could of given KJ another week. Any way go bluebaggers back to the pool after the game.LoL
Talking about (not) looking interested, Everitts last month or so was about as disinterested as anyone has looked in navy bue this year.
Which is why he's in the VFL.
I don't think that Jaksch is disinterested, I think he's just not much of a footballer.
Anyhoo, back to the game at hand, does anyone reckon we'll get within 7 goals?
Don't think we'll get within 10 goals
Don't think we'll get within 10 goals
A 10 or 12 goal loss is possible but we've been busting a gut even with an average side and the players seem to have belief, so I'm hopeful of making some sort of a contest of it.
Franklin will be a handful and I can't think of who we've got that can hold him to even a moderately good game, I think Curnow can curb Hannebery to some extent.
Watching the game in Bali ,hope we put pressure on there mids Sydney might be deflated after 2 big narrow losses come out cold .But they will find a way to win and they could of given KJ another week. Any way go bluebaggers back to the pool after the game.LoL
Sounds tough ???? Hope you find some way to cope!
Don't think we'll get within 10 goals
I said the same thing to a Swans supporter mate of mine last night, he disagreed completely. He pointed out their side is the youngest fielded in a very long time. He is not confident, I told he had nothing to worry about.
I think Curnow can curb Hannebery to some extent.
Hannebery had a quietish game last week, wont do that two weeks in row.