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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL 2025 Rd 16 Carlton vs Brisbane
Evans isnt a senior footballer and should never grace the senior team ever again, dont care if he kicked 50 goals in the VFL today, we need to be playing the kids who might amount to something not going back to the tried and failed.
Charleson might be worth a go as long as we dont do something stupid like start him on Kossie Pickett or Melksham in the back pocket and Id like to see more of Wilson and one Campo at least.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
He is ok for a midpack struggling team but wouldnt be getting a game in any of the top 8 teams imo.
Its a shame as he is one of my fav players as he does a lot of the effort skills well when in form but he has just fallen off a cliff in terms of winning the ball and his contesting especially in marking duels vs his opponent early was non existent.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
I think TDK has to ruck most of the game, that's where he plays his best footy and it also forces him to be involved.
Playing him forward reminds me of Hampson and Kruezer...never worked.
Think we need him vs Gawn next week, so I'd be keeping him in the team.
If he is picked to play forward only then I'd drop him and play HOK.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Agree, if rather a kid like OFarrell who is only going to get better than a mistake prone hack like McG.  Senior players who cause more issues with bad play than good have killed us this year.

McGovern is good in a good team.
Good at the Crows, crap when he first came to us, good then crap again.
Lazy kick out early in the first quarter from McGovern resulting in a goal sums up his career.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Brisbane just did what they needed to get the win. Like Collingwood they didn't get out of second gear and just fed off our many mistakes rather than being over creative themselves.
We were devoid of skills and comical at times, and lack of leadership stands out.
There were a few that tried but not enough
to call it a team effort and it's going to be a slow grind till seasons end.
Maybe the club will drag themselves out of denial and admit we are no finals chance and play more kids and have a youth emphasis to give the supporters something to look forward to if we could find some players for next season.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Terrible game to watch, errors ,clumsy umps. They had a lot of ball but didn't do much with it and we just manage to do the  dumb thing at the right time for the opposition often enough so they never really have to exert themselves.
Hate these games when you trail all match but are never really in the game.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Martin tears it up for four qtrs and doesn't get injured, and...

Of all those...this one is the most likely to come off :D  :D
Martin played well for Geelong off half back in a rebound role🤐 last game and had 25 possessions, seem to be moving fine, said he could have played six weeks ago but appears was held back. Must be that Bellarine fresh air...
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
More sensationalist media to pour more fuel on.  Don't click on it.
All designed to make us give up mentally and emotionally on Charlie, thus buttering us up to trade him for less than true value to the cats or some other ruthless mob.
I don't think Charlie and Harry are going anywhere short term but I'd be more concerned about Sam Walsh who will be a RFA next season and has already had interest and according to Cal Twomey is in no hurry to sign any new deal.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
I'd have played Lemmey and he probably wouldn't have got a kick playing on Harris Andrews but he might have learned something and it should be about 2026 now not limiting damage.
Same with Ben or Lucas Campo taking on Neale, McCluggage etc, such a good education.
I think once we're mathematically out of the finals race we'll see a flurry of additional debutants in the team, sends the wrong message to be doing it now as it would be a concession that we have given up on 2025 even if our chance of playing finals are incredibly slim.


SB..You are probably right and that's the party line theme but I'd be using common sense and forgetting the maths and looking at next season.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
If the players have even a morsel of respect for Vossy, they will do the job for him tomorrow night.
Dont expect them to win given we dont have much to play for but just compete for 4 quarters and dont give up and embarrass the club. Hopefully Brisbane think its just a holiday to Melbourne and havent put much preparation in and are as half ar$ed as we usually are. Unfortunately I dont think even a miracle win will change much and the wheels of change are in motion.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/collingwood-magpies/afl-2024-uncertainty-surrounding-jamie-elliotts-football-future-vascular-issue-in-his-foot-injury-latest-news-return-collingwood-magpies/news-story/14ead8a803e4e18d6b16c94386e3cc48

The myth.  Other clubs do it better.

The reality:  Age 31 at Carlton, and there would be numerous calls to delist him, and trade him "whilst he still has currency".

Not new for "billy"  hes missed a lot of footy with hamstrings and foot issues.

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The only thing I know about his injury is that he was coming off for a couple of weeks midway through a second quarter and couldn’t feel his foot,” Buckley said on SEN.

“He’d take his boot off and it (his foot) was black. That’s a concern, you know something’s not right. They were able to find the vascular issue, which is basically blood flow into and out of his foot.”

Buckley hasnt been his coach for a long time. 

Meanwhile fast forward to season 2025:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/43669336/coleman-medal-leaderboard-season-2025-kicked-most-goals-afl

Sitting 4th on 41 goals as a small forward. 

Learn the lesson Carlton.
Pies fixed Elliott and have been happy to rest and be patient with DeGoey, we would have played them injured and stuffed them completely as would Essendon, Melbourne and all the other dud teams desperate for success and willing to risk top players for the short term.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
The Collingwood trio are exceptional players, coached by the most innovative coach in the comp who has managed his older troops with precision.
We don't have any of that capability at our club and can't get the simple stuff right.

OK, how about old man Goldstein at Essendon then?

He isnt tripping the light fantastic, but hes been a solid contributer.  Carlton dont rate solid contributer hight enough IMHO, and Jeremy Howe in particular is not someone who has an injury free history, and when I think of him is highlight of intercept marking being in his game. 

As for the innovative coach, how did they go in finals of 2024?  Given they won the flag in 2023, and then bombed out completely, and now stand above everyone, why did he get 2024 so wrong?

You are 3 key players away from being an also ran in any one season.


They did miss out in 2024 but still won 13 games and re equipped their list to go again this season and going against the grain by fielding that trio of very senior players. I'd suggest there is a fair difference in terms of quality output from the Pies trio to Goldstein.
If you want a better comparison try Jack Martin at Geelong, playing off a half back flank as a rebounder and getting 20 plus possessions...we couldnt get him on the park and as for playing as a half back he might have lasted 10 mins with us in that role. The top clubs get most things right and the rest struggle to get the simple stuff correct.
Pendlebury actually ran away from Cripps in the recent match and made our bloke look closer to 40.
We might be doing Cripps a favour if he can get to another club and extend his career, same with Walsh.