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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Analysis 2024
Last post by Sub-Zero -However, the top ten vote placers here, appear to be the same names who placed in the top ten last night as well!
We here at carltonsc.com know our football team very well.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Melbourne Storm
Last post by LP -Nah you are focussing on the decisions that were always line ball.Not really, line ball has not much to do with it.
It's the same driving force that now sees players automatically begging for review pretty much every time there is a score or penalty or other such game breaking influence. It's changing the fabric of sport, team sports, individual sports, the begging has become professional, almost as bad as staging for frees. In tennis for example it's become a delaying tactic.
This whole situation is artificially created by the broadcast technology, and in effect it's the same driving force behind when BT making a song and dance about a goal umpire not knowing someone got a follicle on the ball 60m away before it travelled through the goals!
Now referees and umpires are basically conceding decision making to the video review, in some cases offering vague or unrelated reasons for the request to review.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Melbourne Storm
Last post by Thryleon -Regardless of the result, I think the NRL Final has highlighted the weak points of various video review systems.
They may improve the error rate but they will never be perfect, they just move the decision towards an ever finer line that is largely beyond human perception. For me this minuscule reduction in errors comes at a massive cost, the spectacle of the game is greatly degraded, we've already seen soccer go this way and it's becoming a joke with imaginary lines indicating a fingernail was offside. I fear we can see the AFL heading in the same direction!
Why would sports do this to itself?
The answer is simple, gambling revenue, gambling is big dollars from big sponsors who have big influence.
The video reviews are sold to the public as a need to get things right for the sake of the sport, but it's about wallets first with the sport as a spectacle coming in a distant second. I'd rather the old days, with a umpiring that is autocratic and authoritarian, and the games were not disrupted.
Even worse than the disruption of the video review is when officials retrospectively use uncorrelated footage to defend something that they apparently got wrong. Just come out and say we stuffed up and move on, don't go down the route of trying to sell us the idea that left was right, you're not Donald Trump and this isn't Kansas, just own your mistakes!
Nah you are focussing on the decisions that were always line ball.
I still remember Tom Hawkins hitting the post vs St. Kilda in a grand final, and the goal being paid.
Any system that removes that eventuality, and brings in a bit more clarity is good.
The ones that are very hairline need to just have an over arching opinion placed on it such as, when VAR cannot tell, then its effectively Umpires call.
I think thats fine. My issue with VAR is when it is used unnecessarily to verify the umpires call. There was one such example of an arbitrary behind in our elimination final vs Brisbane that was conjecture over touched or not, and I just sat there thinking, what a waste of time in a game that was already dead.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Melbourne Storm
Last post by LP -They may improve the error rate but they will never be perfect, they just move the decision towards an ever finer line that is largely beyond human perception. For me this minuscule reduction in errors comes at a massive cost, the spectacle of the game is greatly degraded, we've already seen soccer go this way and it's becoming a joke with imaginary lines indicating a fingernail was offside. I fear we can see the AFL heading in the same direction!
Why would sports do this to itself?
The answer is simple, gambling revenue, gambling is big dollars from big sponsors who have big influence.
The video reviews are sold to the public as a need to get things right for the sake of the sport, but it's about wallets first with the sport as a spectacle coming in a distant second. I'd rather the old days, with a umpiring that is autocratic and authoritarian, and the games were not disrupted.
Even worse than the disruption of the video review is when officials retrospectively use uncorrelated footage to defend something that they apparently got wrong. Just come out and say we stuffed up and move on, don't go down the route of trying to sell us the idea that left was right, you're not Donald Trump and this isn't Kansas, just own your mistakes!
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2023 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane at Carlton
Last post by tonyo -Both the mens' and womens' teams have a significant disposal deficiency compared to the top-flight teams in the respective competitions.
You don't have to run around as much if your handballs and kicks hit the spot......
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The Sports Desk / Re: NRL / Origin
Last post by Lods -I suspect a lot of the folks on the forum will be looking for a Melbourne win.
As a good New South Welshman I can't agree.
Added to that I spent a bit of time as strength and conditioning trainer with a senior team in Penrith District competition back in the 1970's
It was an almost impossible task trying to do strength and conditioning work with a group of blokes who just wanted to find the nearest pub ten minutes into a training session.
...but we got there in the end (as well as the pub).The funniest part was the arguments I used to have with the giant front rower... he couldn't understand why he had to do a lot of running training when the furthest he ever ran in a game was about 10 metres.
He probably had a point
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2023 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane at Carlton
Last post by Lods -And I don't think the AFL have helped the situation by raising the profile and expectations of the game.
The development of a competition takes years.
The history of the Carlton men's club has little or no relevance to the Carlton Women's club other than they wear the same uniform.
The men's competition took over a hundred years to develop -the expansion, skills and professionalism we have today and the AFL have tried to cram it into less than ten years with the expectation that supporters will automatically embrace it because of club loyalties.
There's a strong feeling the talent pool is too thin in the AFL.
How can it possibly be sufficient in a women's competition, spread over the same number of teams.
As GIC mentions without the same semblance of full time professionalism it never will be sufficient.
I have no feeling of strong allegiance to the Women's side...that has to come from the development of a 'history'.
We often talk about the artificial creations of clubs like GWS and Gold Coast, seeming to be soulless entities.
These clubs have been revolving doors for player movements.
It's the same with many sides in the AFLW, particularly Carlton's.
If these clubs survive it will eventually come after years of stuggle as well as the occasional triumph.
Support will grow as the tradition and history grows.
I fear what might have happened in the early years is the initial enthusiasm for the concept has dissipated for many, as fans see their favourites moving into other jumpers.
Lower the expectations, consolidate what is there, and gradually increase the professional aspects...then the game will grow some history.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2023 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane at Carlton
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2023 Rd 6: Carlton vs Brisbane at Carlton
Last post by Gointocarlton -In traffic I was impressed by their ability to get the ball out but the targeting of the kick forward and equally, the “marking” efforts from the forwards were abysmal and don’t start me on the goal kicking… 🤦🏼♂️Let me start my saying I have nothing against the AFL for Woman. Blame the AFL for the state of clubs like ours and the general state of the game:
There is effort and I think I can see some sort of plan/system but it’s hard when you continually shoot yourself in the foot.
1. Not enough money poured into woman's footy by the AFL themselves. The AFL should pour an equal amount of significant dollars into each club.
2. The result is a Mickey Mouse or token comp and the AFL is to 100% blame which to me at least is hard to watch.
3. RE point 1, Invest a bucket load of money into coaches and paying players properly so they can turn pro. No salary cap in the initial phase.
4. Once they turn pro, they will be able to work FULL TIME on fitness, conditioning and skills. All three are abysmal across the comp and if a male athlete presented like this day one of PS, they would be sent to the fat farm ala Lance Whitnell and more recently Mitch McGovern.
5. Play proper seasons as curtain raisers to the mens games. Not saying 23 games necessarily, but more games in parallel to the mens season. Leverage off the big game crowds to show case the game. Maybe even woman's games after the mens game (??).
6. As these upskilled, professional AFL players begin to retire, they become coaches to teach the next generation of young girls, rinse repeat until you have a fully fledge professional competition.
Build it and they will come.