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Reply #15 –
Quote from: Lods – on


That last part would be a very Carlton thing. Happened to sides in the past, Namely Geelong in 2006 and Richmond in 2016. Soon woke them up the next year.

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Reply #16 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
just hope winning those 2 finals game doesn't cover the cracks ,we were very LUCKY this time .To take next step need to add pace speed into the team and somehow work on transition footy over summer . I DONT want to see long bombs in 24 .

We were moving the ball beautifully during the earlier part of our run but as the run extended over the weeks the effort took it's toll. We kept winning but were able to move the ball like we were earlier in the run. When that happens, you run yourself out of options, hence it's down the line, bomb forward etc. We were brilliant defensively for many more weeks and that got us over the line in cliffhangers but weren't transitioning as we should. Also what helped is that we became a very mentally tough side, extremely hard to break. Even against Brisbane, where a 40+ loss should happened, we found a way of keeping it to 16pt and give ourselves a very small sniff with 8 minutes or so left.

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Reply #17 –
Quote from: laj – on
We were moving the ball beautifully during the earlier part of our run but as the run extended over the weeks the effort took it's toll. We kept winning but were able to move the ball like we were earlier in the run.
Fans talk like this is all down to us, but the reality is the opposition learn and change tactics so you have to continually evolve or die.

Anyone who thinks there is a formula for winning is fooling themselves, become predictable and the opposition will cut you down.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #18 –
Quote from: laj – on
We were moving the ball beautifully during the earlier part of our run but as the run extended over the weeks the effort took it's toll. We kept winning but were able to move the ball like we were earlier in the run. When that happens, you run yourself out of options, hence it's down the line, bomb forward etc. We were brilliant defensively for many more weeks and that got us over the line in cliffhangers but weren't transitioning as we should. Also what helped is that we became a very mentally tough side, extremely hard to break. Even against Brisbane, where a 40+ loss should happened, we found a way of keeping it to 16pt and give ourselves a very small sniff with 8 minutes or so left.
The defensive effort can't be faulted and you're right, nine wins out of the last ten, some by small margins, yet only really confirmed for finals in the second last round. We really had a lot to do, but we did it! No team wins pretty all the time. The long bombs are a part of fatigue and being a bit unsteady with ball movement, but yeah, the defence was something we never gave into. The long bombs are also to some extent I find, damage minimisation in case we do or will lose the ball in any case. With deliberate out of bounds being much stricter now and umpires being hot on holding the ball, sometimes the panic kicks long are in fact, the best option to go to. They can create space and with more ground-ball players around, can result in scores as the ball moves forward more. Even on turnover, territory is gained and the players are behind the ball, making it difficult for the opposition to score, as was the case in the second half of the year. Sometimes, it simply could be worse.
Edit: More speed to run and move the ball in chains, while keeping possession, yes on that.

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Reply #19 –
Quote from: pinot – on
A couple of years overdue but finally got there.
It's amazing what a healthy list does to a team.

Expectations met " We don't want to make up the numbers - we want to impact" and did exactly that.

I actually think this list is more than good enough to win a flag - a couple of additions to the squad will help. Zac Williams is a classy player and his foot skills will be a welcome return.

Bit more class in the forward half.

Top two next year lads.
A second key defender to partner with Weitering. I think Young will stay in '24, reckon he'll be better next year than this one. I reckon we've lost to the premiers in waiting tomorrow in any case.

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Reply #20 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The danger for us is believing that we'll be there for sure next year, because that's when it can come undone.
And that's a challenge for the coaching staff in the off-season.

Amen to that !!

Getting to a PF sounds nice on paper but we have to view that realistically, we finished 3rd or 4th which is just not good enough.

Even being beaten in a GF is not good enough either, 'second is the first of the losers".

Whatever happened this year gets celebrated but only for a very short time, we still have a ton of work to do to get close to winning a premiership.

Added to that, sometimes luck does go your way but more often than not, it goes well against you when you least want it to (injuries, close losses, bad umpiring decisions etc). We have to build an inpenetrable wall around us that the others cannot get through plus enables us to absorb the things outside of our control !!

Yes, we have a good nucleus of players but don't for one moment be lulled into the false belief that its a finished product either. Just look at the Pies who won the flag yesterday, they brought in 4-5 important pieces to their jigsaw puzzle last year because they lost a PF by 1-point. If it's good enough for them to make some hard calls, then it sure as hell is for us too. Therefore, delistings, trades & FA acquisitions will be crucial this time around.

The really really good clubs are ruthless in their pursuit of success, especially in professional sport.

We cannot be complacent, we cannot just expect success, its all about the the hard work and the building of a very strong platform.

Roll the sleeves up, we have even more work to do this time around, the gap at the pointy end may be small but it's a way more intense bridge to cross. 

The climb to the top of the mountain starts all over again when we hit trade week.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

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Reply #21 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Amen to that !!

Getting to a PF sounds nice on paper but we have to view that realistically, we finished 3rd or 4th which is just not good enough.

Even being beaten in a GF is not good enough either, 'second is the first of the losers".

Whatever happened this year gets celebrated but only for a very short time, we still have a ton of work to do to get close to winning a premiership.

Added to that, sometimes luck does go your way but more often than not, it goes well against you when you least want it to (injuries, close losses, bad umpiring decisions etc). We have to build an inpenetrable wall around us that the others cannot get through plus enables us to absorb the things outside of our control !!

Yes, we have a good nucleus of players but don't for one moment be lulled into the false belief that its a finished product either. Just look at the Pies who won the flag yesterday, they brought in 4-5 important pieces to their jigsaw puzzle last year because they lost a PF by 1-point. If it's good enough for them to make some hard calls, then it sure as hell is for us too. Therefore, delistings, trades & FA acquisitions will be crucial this time around.

The really really good clubs are ruthless in their pursuit of success, especially in professional sport.

We cannot be complacent, we cannot just expect success, its all about the the hard work and the building of a very strong platform.

Roll the sleeves up, we have even more work to do this time around, the gap at the pointy end may be small but it's a way more intense bridge to cross. 

The climb to the top of the mountain starts all over again when we hit trade week.

Yes, most definitely!

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Reply #22 –
Our season came down to what happen mid-season. Come good in a big way but was too much. When you have 6 of your best out and flog Collingwood as we did you can only think about what might have been.

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Reply #23 –
I think we can take great heart from the fact that we could have beaten either of those sides on the MCG yesterday.  For the first time in probably 20 years, we can tackle the start of the season knowing (and not wondering) that our football is good enough to go all the way.

The next piece in the puzzle is do it consistently, not just week-in, week-out, but quarter by quarter every week.  Consistency is built above the shoulders, not in the gym.  Time to train the mindset to believe that we are the best, and stop doubting.

This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #24 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
I think we can take great heart from the fact that we could have beaten either of those sides on the MCG yesterday.  For the first time in probably 20 years, we can tackle the start of the season knowing (and not wondering) that our football is good enough to go all the way.

The next piece in the puzzle is do it consistently, not just week-in, week-out, but quarter by quarter every week.  Consistency is built above the shoulders, not in the gym.  Time to train the mindset to believe that we are the best, and stop doubting.


Agree, but a couple of tweaks to the list will be vital too. We need more speed  and the ability to get around the back of opposition defences. Some also advocate another tall defender.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #27 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The danger for us is believing that we'll be there for sure next year, because that's when it can come undone.
And that's a challenge for the coaching staff in the off-season.
No, that's the challenge for the ENTIRE Carlton Football Club, from the President down to the boot studder. EVERYONE to a person (Board, Management, Admin, Coaches, Players, Support Staff) has a great responsibility to ensure the club performs better and takes the next step. Even us supporters have to do our bit.
STRONGER TOGETHER.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #28 –
our coaching staff need to watch lions game because all our losses were in similar manner opposition score from our turnover and quick ball movement .so how do we change this for 24 season ,how do we play different in 24 .It starts with no more long bombs especially fro defense.

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Reply #29 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
our coaching staff need to watch lions game because all our losses were in similar manner opposition score from our turnover and quick ball movement .so how do we change this for 24 season ,how do we play different in 24 .It starts with no more long bombs especially fro defense.
You tend to bomb long when you have a lot of tall timber, smaller forward setups tend to have the ball run into them more.
Lose a tall and we might play bit smarter given the extra talls are a get out of jail kick for players who dont have the vision or lower their eyes enough when taking the ball deep I50.