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Title: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 23, 2018, 11:12:25 am
I do not like Port. They will be a raging favourite, but I will be HAPPY if we can spoil their party.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Robblues on June 24, 2018, 08:09:22 am
I do not like Port. They will be a raging favourite, but I will be HAPPY if we can spoil their party.
I would be happy if we can spoil any ones party ATM
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on June 24, 2018, 08:58:07 pm
My early prediction.

Out:
Kreuzer (ankle), Plowman (knee), OShea ($h!t), Thomas (Suspension)

In:
Phillips, Lang, McKay, Pickett

Injured: Not available for selection...(i believe)
Docherty, Williamson, A. Silvagni (season)
Kreuzer, Casboult, Plowman (AFL vs Collingwood)
LeBois, Schumacher, DeKoning (VFL vs Collingwood)
Murphy, Marchbank, Kerridge, Kerr, Byrne, Cuningham, Macreadie, Glass-McCasker
FYI, thats 18 injured players.


Fit but not picked...
OShea
Graham
Lobbe
Shaw
McDaid

Thats our entire list.

Basically pick 5 players who you don't want in the side. Everyone else plays.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 24, 2018, 09:11:40 pm
My early prediction.

Out:
Kreuzer (ankle), Plowman (knee), OShea ($h!t), Thomas (Suspension)

In:
Phillips, Lang, McKay, Pickett

Injured: Not available for selection...(i believe)
Docherty, Williamson, A. Silvagni (season)
Kreuzer, Casboult, Plowman (AFL vs Collingwood)
LeBois, Schumacher, DeKoning (VFL vs Collingwood)
Murphy, Marchbank, Kerridge, Kerr, Byrne, Cuningham, Macreadie, Glass-McCasker
FYI, thats 18 injured players.


Fit but not picked...
OShea
Graham
Lobbe
Shaw
McDaid

Thats our entire list.

Basically pick 5 players who you don't want in the side. Everyone else plays.

Fair comments and like the ins...dont expect to win but reckon we can be competitive....Port have a good midfield and plenty of firepower down forward but their defense is iffy IMO and
Charlie, Harry and Pickett might cause them some headaches.....Gray will probably kick his usual 5 goals and the smash bros will be hard yakka in the middle but Port are either great or pathetic and maybe we can catch them in the latter mode...I hope...
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 24, 2018, 10:17:00 pm
Keep going this way and we'll soon be struggling to field a fit 22, irrespective of ability/form!  :o
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Bear on June 25, 2018, 10:12:33 am
Pickett may need another week in the 2's, just given the amount of footy he has missed.

So maybe we have to play Graham.

Simpson's 300th...

Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 25, 2018, 10:19:07 am
Pickett may need another week in the 2's, just given the amount of footy he has missed.

So maybe we have to play Graham.

Simpson's 300th...
Pickett kicked a couple of the 2's, but he cramped up badly in the last quarter and struggled to move. (It didn't stop him accelerating and making a great tackle in the last few moments, but you could see that he was having real trouble.) I'd give him another week: he was much improved.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: shawny on June 25, 2018, 10:23:56 am
Don't be surprised to see Murphy come up.

Best mates with Simmo- will want to play in this one.

And knowing our clubs history with picking guys not 100% ready they are unlikely to have the final say.
 

Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2018, 10:31:07 am
Pickett kicked a couple of the 2's, but he cramped up badly in the last quarter and struggled to move. (It didn't stop him accelerating and making a great tackle in the last few moments, but you could see that he was having real trouble.) I'd give him another week: he was much improved.

Fair point on Pickett, given Ports form we are probably looking down the barrel so I'd rather have Pickett up and running for games we have some chance of winning.....
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on June 25, 2018, 11:05:08 am
Pickett kicked a couple of the 2's, but he cramped up badly in the last quarter and struggled to move. (It didn't stop him accelerating and making a great tackle in the last few moments, but you could see that he was having real trouble.) I'd give him another week: he was much improved.

Not a great sign for a bloke who was out injured with a thumb injury.

I would have thought he would have been cherry ripe to come back at least from a physical conditioning perspective.

All evidence points to our strength and conditioning team lacking something and might need a bit of a review.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 25, 2018, 11:30:18 am
I'd get him in ASAP. Makes Garlett a better player too - the latter seems to be stuck in 2nd gear?
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 11:51:19 am
I do not know what to make of SPS and Garlett, for indigenous players they are probably two of the worst crumbers in the AFL. At the weekend despite a lack of I50s we had plenty of opportunity to have small players front and square with few Collingwood defensive marks being taken, yet at ground level we had crickets chirping!

A lot of fans were big on Dow's last quarter, it's a great sign for the future, but he did feck all for the 3 quarters before that!

Probably O'Brien's worst game so far, might be time for a rest!

Disappointed for Poulson, but he should have been given a run weeks ago when he was actually in form, it's too late now he looks like a defeated individual. We are very good at breaking players, not much good at developing them it seems! We've left the fruit in the bowl too long, it's gone past cherry ripe to rotten!
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: deepbluesee on June 25, 2018, 12:03:19 pm
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Disappointed for Poulson, but he should have been given a run weeks ago when he was actually in form, it's too late now he looks like a defeated individual. We are very good at breaking players, not much good at developing them it seems! We've left the fruit in the bowl too long, it's gone past cherry ripe to rotten!

I really liked the endeavour of Poulson - thought he chased and tackled really well. I'd like to see him retain his spot
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 25, 2018, 12:04:56 pm
It's funny - when we have so many contributing so little - how can we expect to win games?

Polson, Lamb, O'Brien, O'Shea, Mullet, Garlett....and arguably SOJ too.

Given the two injuries, there half the team not chipping in!!

A bloke like Garlett - for example - has to nail those two goals - otherwise a waste of space....
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 25, 2018, 12:06:07 pm
Murphy in, Polson out.

One obvious change for the better.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 01:35:43 pm
Murphy in, Polson out.

One obvious change for the better.

Pointless dropping Poulson after a game, O'Brien is the one who needs a rest, he's been ordinary 3 of the last 4 games.

I wonder if Poulson got a game due to last weeks training emphasis, that could explain things? Poulson had more tackles in one game than O'Brien has had in three weeks!

Garlett is a big worry, pre-season he looked like a tackling machine, since the shoulder problem he's tapered off, yesterday exactly zero, zilch, nada! But then again, even SPS only had 2 and he normally has many more!
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2018, 01:47:50 pm
Pointless dropping Poulson after a game, O'Brien is the one who needs a rest, he's been ordinary 3 of the last 4 games.

I wonder if Poulson got a game due to last weeks training emphasis, that could explain things?

x2...Polson and OBrien would make a good footballer if you could morph them together.....
I think Polson deserves a few games and told he is the team and maybe just needs that breakout game of 20 plus possies to kick start him..
Tough ask vs Port though given their onball riches but vs Brisbane and the like he might have learned something by then and deliver for us..
Obrien needs to toughen up and attack the ball better, nice left footer but more grunt required....
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 02:20:25 pm
Watts normally plays his best football against us, I wouldn't be surprised to find him getting a run!

If he does it tells you that Port think we are a soft target!
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Raydan on June 25, 2018, 02:26:17 pm
x2...Polson and OBrien would make a good footballer if you could morph them together.....
I think Polson deserves a few games and told he is the team and maybe just needs that breakout game of 20 plus possies to kick start him..
Tough ask vs Port though given their onball riches but vs Brisbane and the like he might have learned something by then and deliver for us..
Obrien needs to toughen up and attack the ball better, nice left footer but more grunt required....

EB, you've been banging on about O'Brien and how he needs to toughen up, the kid has a boys body and obviously is aware of that, but there are different classes of toughness. I think it was Grundy who took a screamer on O'Brien knocking him flat, O'Brien got up off the ground straight away and started to chase, that's a tough mind, he just doesn't have the physical size to plow into packs, it will come in time.

If we were a better team he would be still playing 2's, learning how to play against me, but we're not and Lachie is getting a game and doing ok. At least he runs hard both ways.

Also Poulson looked to be knocked out early in the first, he dragged himself off the ground, waived the trainers away and chased, well done young man.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: shawny on June 25, 2018, 02:30:40 pm
It's funny - when we have so many contributing so little - how can we expect to win games?

Polson, Lamb, O'Brien, O'Shea, Mullet, Garlett....and arguably SOJ too.

Given the two injuries, there half the team not chipping in!!

A bloke like Garlett - for example - has to nail those two goals - otherwise a waste of space....

Yep cant argue with any of that!

Garlett is the sort of player that is only ever going to get it 10-12 times so has to make those touches count.

Did like him crashing the pack against 2 which spilled the ball for us to goal. Thats what we need as a min if he is to hold his place in the coming years as 'hopefully' positions get harder to break into.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: shawny on June 25, 2018, 02:38:34 pm
EB, you've been banging on about O'Brien and how he needs to toughen up, the kid has a boys body and obviously is aware of that, but there are different classes of toughness. I think it was Grundy who took a screamer on O'Brien knocking him flat, O'Brien got up off the ground straight away and started to chase, that's a tough mind, he just doesn't have the physical size to plow into packs, it will come in time.

If we were a better team he would be still playing 2's, learning how to play against me, but we're not and Lachie is getting a game and doing ok. At least he runs hard both ways.

Also Poulson looked to be knocked out early in the first, he dragged himself off the ground, waived the trainers away and chased, well done young man.

Obrien for a first year player has some sort of a tank. Might not be ready in other areas but fitness wise he was one of a few only that was able to ran the game out.

Dow was gone come 3/4 time. He couldn't even jog in the last - understandably i know considering the injuries, hence why obrien surprised me so much. Big upside in both these kids IMO    
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Raydan on June 25, 2018, 02:50:49 pm
Disagree about Dow, 9 poss and 2 bloody great tackles in the last quarter. He may have slowed down but he kept going.

Again both these guys are 18 and will have a full seasons experience come round 23, they are still years away from hitting their best.

I do look forward to a starting square of Cripps, Kennedy and Dow, with O'Brien on one wing, SPS on the other, kicking it down the necks of Charlie, Lokosuis and Harry with Fisher and Pickett yapping away at heir feet.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2018, 03:02:59 pm
EB, you've been banging on about O'Brien and how he needs to toughen up, the kid has a boys body and obviously is aware of that, but there are different classes of toughness. I think it was Grundy who took a screamer on O'Brien knocking him flat, O'Brien got up off the ground straight away and started to chase, that's a tough mind, he just doesn't have the physical size to plow into packs, it will come in time.

If we were a better team he would be still playing 2's, learning how to play against me, but we're not and Lachie is getting a game and doing ok. At least he runs hard both ways.

Also Poulson looked to be knocked out early in the first, he dragged himself off the ground, waived the trainers away and chased, well done young man.

Ray..Got nothing to do with a boys body, he shy's away from contests and doesnt have the mindset of a physcially committed player.....you either have it or you dont.
Boekhorst didnt have it and its stood out like dogs knackers, Mullet doesnt have it either...
I'm not sold on Obrien at all unlike Dow who attacks the ball well....Obrien will get some slack cut his way due to being a pick 10 and the notion he is an outside player who isnt expected to
contest as much but the spotlight will get around to him, think it was Cameron Ling in a earlier game who suggested he froze and pulled up short.
Polson attacks the ball and man well, tackles hard but needs game time to improve his skills and awareness.
Fisher has a small body but he commits to the ball, I just want to see Obrien do the same every game....
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 03:14:45 pm
Ray..Got nothing to do with a boys body, he shy's away from contests and doesnt have the mindset of a physcially committed player.....you either have it or you dont.

The problem I have EB1 is that AFL opposition will pick up on this and construct scenarios that cause him to behave that way. O'Brien, boy or man, has to be aware he is under 24x7 opposition scrutiny and must put his hand up sometimes to be unpredictable to the opponents or end up road kill.

It's no different from Levi failing to compete whenever he cops a little body on body contact in the run up to a pack mark, the better teams make sure it happens to him all the time every time!

In crunch time, if you have a predictable flaw in your game, the opposition will take full advantage of it.

On the flip-side, he only has to fly the flag once or twice a game and a hurt opponent will grow doubts!
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 03:23:41 pm
Will we bring in Phillips or Lobbe, and let Rowe go forward again this week, should we?

For me it's;

Out - Casboult, Kreuzer, Plowman and O'Shea out

In - Phillips, Shaw, Pickett and Lang.

Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2018, 03:26:16 pm
The problem I have EB1 is that AFL opposition will pick up on this and construct scenarios that cause him to behave that way. O'Brien, boy or man, has to be aware he is under 24x7 opposition scrutiny and must put his hand up sometimes to be unpredictable to the opponents or end up road kill.

It's no different from Levi failing to compete whenever he cops a little body on body contact in the run up to a pack mark, the better teams make sure it happens to him all the time every time!

In crunch time, if you have a predictable flaw in your game, the opposition will take full advantage of it.

On the flip-side, he only has to fly the flag once or twice a game and a hurt opponent will grow doubts!

LP..Kade Simpson isnt going to hurt anyone by bumping, tackling or the like but we all know he will go down swinging 99.9% when it comes to making a contest of the footy when it comes his way..thats all I ask of any player. SPS picks and chooses, Mullet chooses not to most of the time and I dont want Obrien going down the same path....doesnt have to anything Byron Pickett like,  just when the ball comes his way try and get it the best you can and attack the ball with some gusto like his mate Dow does.
He has time on his side to chancge his approach but as you say teams work you out and then start working you over....Mullet got the label from Brad Scott and has done nothing to change that perception, we dont want Obrien getting the same label...
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 03:31:09 pm
LP..Kade Simpson isnt going to hurt anyone by bumping, tackling or the like but we all know he will go down swinging 99.9% when it comes to making a contest of the footy when it comes his way..thats all I ask of any player. SPS picks and chooses, Mullet chooses not to most of the time and I dont want Obrien going down the same path....doesnt have to anything Byron Pickett like,  just when the ball comes his way try and get it the best you can and attack the ball with some gusto like his mate Dow does.
He has time on his side to chancge his approach but as you say teams work you out and then start working you over....Mullet got the label from Brad Scott and has done nothing to change that perception, we dont want Obrien getting the same label...

In fairness to O'Brien Simmo is exceptional, I think O'Brien only needs to be a bit more Lamb / Kerridge like and he'll have then both covered.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 25, 2018, 03:35:23 pm
Pointless dropping Poulson after a game, O'Brien is the one who needs a rest, he's been ordinary 3 of the last 4 games.

I wonder if Poulson got a game due to last weeks training emphasis, that could explain things? Poulson had more tackles in one game than O'Brien has had in three weeks!

Garlett is a big worry, pre-season he looked like a tackling machine, since the shoulder problem he's tapered off, yesterday exactly zero, zilch, nada! But then again, even SPS only had 2 and he normally has many more!
Polson didn't have a great game, but he did put his body on the line. He needs to get a few possessions and get some confidence in himself. I wouldn't drop him after one game.

I would think of 'resting' O'Brien. he does have a nice tank, but he hasn't been great lately. The question is, unfortunately, who do we bring in for him?

SPS had a good first half with clearances and run. After half time he was barely sighted. That was disappointing.

Garlett is lucky to be there at the moment. He is not showing the intensity that he showed earlier. And it is clear from his numbers, which are ordinary at best. Also earlier in the season his snaps were going through. Now they are not getting close.

In fact, our small forwards are not doing a lot at the moment. Wright's form has been poor and, while he tries to put pressure on, he is often too slow to succeed. Mick Malthouse brought him up especially after yesterday's game. Garlett hasn't been with it at all. Jack is too slow to run guys down from behind and still shows more in the midfield rather than as a forward.
Yesterday we had nobody at Curnow's feet: he either got it or it passed from defence easily. Our small forwards really need to up their work rate.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 25, 2018, 03:38:23 pm
Ray..Got nothing to do with a boys body, he shy's away from contests and doesnt have the mindset of a physcially committed player.....you either have it or you dont.
Boekhorst didnt have it and its stood out like dogs knackers, Mullet doesnt have it either...
I'm not sold on Obrien at all unlike Dow who attacks the ball well....Obrien will get some slack cut his way due to being a pick 10 and the notion he is an outside player who isnt expected to
contest as much but the spotlight will get around to him, think it was Cameron Ling in a earlier game who suggested he froze and pulled up short.
Polson attacks the ball and man well, tackles hard but needs game time to improve his skills and awareness.
Fisher has a small body but he commits to the ball, I just want to see Obrien do the same every game....

I don’t see that at all with O’Brien EB.

O’Brien generally sizes up the situation quickly and goes for the option that is likely to keep him on his feet and in the contest.  I’d much rather see him do that than end up on his butt and with his opponent streaming towards goal.

O’Brien didn’t get a lot of the ball on Sunday but he laid tackles and shepherded, usually against much bigger opponents.  That’s physical commitment in my book.

As for Cameron Ling’s opinion ????
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 04:34:49 pm
Polson didn't have a great game, but he did put his body on the line. He needs to get a few possessions and get some confidence in himself. I wouldn't drop him after one game.

Someone said both Poulson and SPS got dropped early in the game, I didn't see Poulson but I saw SPS get whacked.

I should cut them both a little slack if that is true, they are still beginners and that sort of tactic is a bit old school!
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 26, 2018, 12:43:49 pm
Ins - Murphy, Lang, Pickett, Marchbank, Phillips, Harry.

Outs - Special K, Plow, Daisy, O'Shea, Lamb, de Bolt.

And maybe Graham for O'Brien/Polson too!
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Sexybronco on June 26, 2018, 01:18:55 pm
Will we bring in Phillips or Lobbe, and let Rowe go forward again this week, should we?

For me it's;

Out - Casboult, Kreuzer, Plowman and O'Shea out

In - Phillips, Shaw, Pickett and Lang.
Team balance will dictate the type of player but I would prefer to see Big H over Shaw as he and Phillips are logical replacements for Casboult and Kruezer.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 26, 2018, 01:25:43 pm
Team balance will dictate the type of player but I would prefer to see Big H over Shaw as he and Phillips are logical replacements for Casboult and Kruezer.

I suppose that assumes we would have been better with Casboult playing in F50 instead of Rowe! I'm not so sure.

I think after half-time Jones and Weitering got their act together in D50 while Rowe was rucking, but then our F50 suffered. I'm not sure Casboult gives us better structure than Rowe did in the limited period of time, or if Cripps was less effective in Casboult's absence. I realise Crippa cannot be everywhere, but between him, Rowe and Charlie we had an aggressiveness in the F50 that we do not normally show. If our small forwards had been on song we may well have won even though we had limited opportunities!

O'Shea was a liability, Shaw looks to be in better form and can play tall.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on June 26, 2018, 07:53:12 pm
Ins - Murphy, Lang, Pickett, Marchbank, Phillips, Harry.

Outs - Special K, Plow, Daisy, O'Shea, Lamb, de Bolt.

And maybe Graham for O'Brien/Polson too!

Neither in the mix, Marchbank underdone, Murphy not ready yet.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 27, 2018, 07:55:19 am
Neither in the mix, Marchbank underdone, Murphy not ready yet.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-06-26/fitness-tests-for-seven

we'll see, it's not like we don't play underdone types!!
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 27, 2018, 08:13:16 am
we'll see, it's not like we don't play underdone types!!

We'll play whoever Simmo wants.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 27, 2018, 08:23:21 am
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-06-26/fitness-tests-for-seven

we'll see, it's not like we don't play underdone types!!
I hate the thought of playing guys who are not 100%. However, all clubs seem to take that in their stride. I don't understand that, I really don't. I just hope we select guys who are truly fit and not just because of desperation.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LordLucifer on June 28, 2018, 12:07:25 am
Not fussed by the result, just want to see total commitment & pressure again.

The first half VS Freo was abominable and has to be erased from recent memory, the only way to do that is by giving everything from the get-go till the final siren.

The games against Geelong, Sydney & Collingwood have been pretty good considering the young ages & limited experience we have running on to the field.


Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 28, 2018, 03:53:19 pm
Port rate us so lowly and slowly they are going to play former Melbourne captain and definitive AFL snail Jack "The Treacle" Trengove against us!

I shudder the thought that we run him into good form! :o
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: deags on June 28, 2018, 04:29:47 pm
Really though, Who, apart from Charlie, do we have up forward that is a) quick, or b) more than average skillwise?
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: shawny on June 28, 2018, 04:38:22 pm
Really though, Who, apart from Charlie, do we have up forward that is a) quick, or b) more than average skillwise?

Pickett if he plays. 
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on June 28, 2018, 04:48:51 pm
Really though, Who, apart from Charlie, do we have up forward that is a) quick, or b) more than average skillwise?

Garlett.

His issue is application not ability which is why irrespective of the fact he isnt firing right now, I think he was well worth the effort we went to in order to get him.

He is having his first year back at the top level after a Hiatus and needs to be viewed as more draftee than mature recruit too.

 
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: deags on June 28, 2018, 04:50:51 pm
My point is if you want to give a guy a chance to prove himself, and that guy is slow as a barge, we are the team to do it against.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 28, 2018, 06:24:39 pm
Ins: Bolt, Pickett, Graham, Smurf and Phillips.

Out: Special K, Daisy, O'Shea, O'Brien (finally) and Plow.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on June 28, 2018, 06:26:47 pm
Backs   6. Kade Simpson   17. Sam Rowe   14. Liam Jones

Half-backs   13. Jed Lamb   23. Jacob Weitering   21. Jarrod Garlett

Centreline   3. Marc Murphy (C)   9. Patrick Cripps   25. Zac Fisher

Half-forwards   2. Paddy Dow   30. Charlie Curnow   29. Cameron Polson

Forwards   33. Jarrod Pickett   1. Jack Silvagni   5. Sam Petrevski-Seton

Followers   34. Andrew Phillips   7. Matthew Kennedy   35. Ed Curnow

Interchange   41. Aaron Mullett   41. Levi Casboult   46. Matthew Wright
32. Nick Graham
      
Emergencies   4. Lochie O'Brien   36. Pat Kerr   16. Darcy Lang
24. Cameron O'Shea   
   
In: Murphy, Pickett, Graham, Casboult, Phillips

Out: Kreuzer (ankle), Plowman (knee), Thomas (suspended) O'Brien O'Shea

Are we slowly getting back to some normality????

(What out for a Kerr for Casboult swap prematch)
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 28, 2018, 06:34:41 pm
Backs   6. Kade Simpson   17. Sam Rowe   14. Liam Jones

Half-backs   13. Jed Lamb   23. Jacob Weitering   21. Jarrod Garlett

Centreline   3. Marc Murphy (C)   9. Patrick Cripps   25. Zac Fisher

Half-forwards   2. Paddy Dow   30. Charlie Curnow   29. Cameron Polson

Forwards   33. Jarrod Pickett   1. Jack Silvagni   5. Sam Petrevski-Seton

Followers   34. Andrew Phillips   7. Matthew Kennedy   35. Ed Curnow

Interchange   41. Aaron Mullett   41. Levi Casboult   46. Matthew Wright
32. Nick Graham
      
Emergencies   4. Lochie O'Brien   36. Pat Kerr   16. Darcy Lang
24. Cameron O'Shea   
   
In: Murphy, Pickett, Graham, Casboult, Phillips

Out: Kreuzer (ankle), Plowman (knee), Thomas (suspended) O'Brien O'Shea

Are we slowly getting back to some normality????

(What out for a Kerr for Casboult swap prematch)

OShea still lurking as an emergency, may yet play vs his old mob :D
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 28, 2018, 07:04:42 pm
Garlett.

His issue is application not ability which is why irrespective of the fact he isnt firing right now, I think he was well worth the effort we went to in order to get him.

He is having his first year back at the top level after a Hiatus and needs to be viewed as more draftee than mature recruit too.

x2.

THe bloke could be anything if switched on.

And has the ability to play forward or back.... I'd almost be tempted to trial him as our small running/line breaking back man ala the Yazz of yesteryear....
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 28, 2018, 07:08:56 pm
Backs   6. Kade Simpson   17. Sam Rowe   14. Liam Jones

Half-backs   13. Jed Lamb   23. Jacob Weitering   21. Jarrod Garlett

Centreline   3. Marc Murphy (C)   9. Patrick Cripps   25. Zac Fisher

Half-forwards   2. Paddy Dow   30. Charlie Curnow   29. Cameron Polson

Forwards   33. Jarrod Pickett   1. Jack Silvagni   5. Sam Petrevski-Seton

Followers   34. Andrew Phillips   7. Matthew Kennedy   35. Ed Curnow

Interchange   41. Aaron Mullett   41. Levi Casboult   46. Matthew Wright
32. Nick Graham
      
Emergencies   4. Lochie O'Brien   36. Pat Kerr   16. Darcy Lang
24. Cameron O'Shea   
   
In: Murphy, Pickett, Graham, Casboult, Phillips

Out: Kreuzer (ankle), Plowman (knee), Thomas (suspended) O'Brien O'Shea

Are we slowly getting back to some normality????

(What out for a Kerr for Casboult swap prematch)
IF Casboult is fit enough to play, that will help us no end, as we had few options when Kreuzer was off last week. Rowe did as well as he could, and did manage to limit the damage, but even Silvagni had to go up in the ruck a couple of times. Having someone with a bit more idea would be a huge help.
If he doesn't come up and Kerr comes in, either Rowe or Kerr will have to do some ruck work. I don't like that.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Robblues on June 28, 2018, 07:13:24 pm
Lots of changes , will be interesting to see how Murph fronts up injury wise, hope we don't repeat mistakes if he is not ready. I would like to see Rowe continue forward, he gave us some energy last week, which has been lacking.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 28, 2018, 08:05:09 pm
On paper, a good team.

Would prefer Lang in there to Mullet....and obviously Phillips will need to somewhat nullify Ryder. And Phillips can bring some decent heat to the equation.

But, if we bring the Pies' vigour, we're a chance!

And we're due to snag a win (hoping the powers that be haven't told the players that be that the cue is firmly locked in the rack).
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on June 28, 2018, 08:07:25 pm
Weakest back six on record, Robbie Gray and Wind bag will be looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 28, 2018, 08:34:09 pm
Lamb will not, and should not, start back.....he's afaiaw never been anYthing aproaching A DEFENDER.

I'm presuming Mullet will be HBF...
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on June 28, 2018, 08:45:17 pm
Yep,  playing Lamb back will have us accused of tanking.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 28, 2018, 09:00:46 pm
And all that said, imagine you can swap out a few of the 22 for a fit Doc, Marchy, Plow and Willo (whom I think should be molded into a mid/wing ASAP).

Then throw a full preason fit Kennedy and Lang into the mix with a Shiel, Sloane and/or Gaff and I'd be darn happy!
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on June 28, 2018, 09:06:57 pm
We started the year with a full team except Docherty and we got smashed.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on June 28, 2018, 09:27:42 pm
We started the year with a full team except Docherty and we got smashed.

Bulldust we were down 1.5 players for three quarters against Richmond in round one and they've been dropping like flies ever since
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ianh on June 28, 2018, 09:32:26 pm

O'Shea was a liability, Shaw looks to be in better form and can play at all.

EFA  ;)
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 28, 2018, 09:46:19 pm
Lamb will not, and should not, start back.....he's afaiaw never been anYthing aproaching A DEFENDER.

I'm presuming Mullet will be HBF...

Mullet on Gray or Wingard?...it will be a slaughter.... :(
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 28, 2018, 09:50:20 pm
We started the year with a full team except Docherty and we got smashed.

WE ALMOST beat the Tigers rd 1? Even with Kennedy and Kreuzer down....

Gees, you talk some BS.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 28, 2018, 10:21:28 pm
Mullet on Gray or Wingard?...it will be a slaughter.... :(
Youre probably right EB but sometimes you just never know what they can pull out of the bag.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 28, 2018, 10:48:33 pm
Just realised Simmo's 250th was against PA and the boys got over the line for him. History may well repeat.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LoveNavy on June 29, 2018, 12:43:26 am
Just realised Simmo's 250th was against PA and the boys got over the line for him. History may well repeat.

That made me smile reading an otherwise glum thread  ^-^
I remember that game well. Kruez kicked the winning goal just before the siren IIRC. Gibbs basically jumped on top of Simmo, who was overwhelmed crying happy tears. Bolts was in the dug out waiting eagerly to celebrate with our little champ wearing no.6.

I'll be thrilled if we can repeat history. Alas, I don't see it happening. Port are in form (like the other low injury teams) and we are playing the gap-filler game with scarce resources.

Go blues. Give your all for our little champ.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 29, 2018, 08:17:30 am
Just realised Simmo's 250th was against PA and the boys got over the line for him. History may well repeat.

I was at that game,oh the joy!  :)
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 29, 2018, 08:53:59 am
We started the year with a full team except Docherty and we got smashed.

Our injured players going in to Round 1 were:

Sam Docherty (knee
Darcy Lang (ankle)
Matthew Lobbe (quad)
Jarrod Pickett (ankle)
Sam Rowe (knee)
Alex Silvagni (hamstring)
Tom Williamson (back)

With the possible exception of Lobbe, all would be pressing for selection if fit.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on June 29, 2018, 09:10:21 am
Our injured players going in to Round 1 were:

Sam Docherty (knee
Darcy Lang (ankle)
Matthew Lobbe (quad)
Jarrod Pickett (ankle)
Sam Rowe (knee)
Alex Silvagni (hamstring)
Tom Williamson (back)

With the possible exception of Lobbe, all would be pressing for selection if fit.

I'll give you Rowe but the others have hardly played for the club.

Injuries hurt all clubs but we make it worse by making mind boggling decisions like replacing Kreuzer with Polson.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: deags on June 29, 2018, 09:22:01 am
I would say Silvagni is just as important, if not moreso to our backline than Rowe.
Take into account that Our best backman, Docherty, our most experienced backman, Silvagni, on top of Rowe were out, and I'd say that's the best part of our best backline out. Pretty significant if you ask me.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Jeffy38 on June 29, 2018, 09:34:27 am
WE ALMOST beat the Tigers rd 1? Even with Kennedy and Kreuzer down....

Gees, you talk some BS.

Score was closer than the scoring shots. If they had kicked straight MBb would be right.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 29, 2018, 09:34:44 am
I would say Silvagni is just as important, if not moreso to our backline than Rowe.
Take into account that Our best backman, Docherty, our most experienced backman, Silvagni, on top of Rowe were out, and I'd say that's the best part of our best backline out. Pretty significant if you ask me.

Williamson had cemented a spot in the backline and was the most likely player to plug the gap left by Docherty’s injury.  Our defence went from a settled, competent unit in 2017 to a makeshift, inexperienced group this season.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: blue4life on June 29, 2018, 09:55:38 am
I just can't see us winning this or even getting closer than 5 or 6 goals.
Murphy is a very good inclusion but Kreuzer, Thomas and Plowman are big outs, Phillips is VFL standard in my opinion.
I'm hopeful, but in my guts I know it's a forlorn hope.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on June 29, 2018, 10:28:07 am
WE ALMOST beat the Tigers rd 1? Even with Kennedy and Kreuzer down....

Gees, you talk some BS.

We kicked the first 5 goals then were completely dominated for the rest of the match.
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 29, 2018, 11:54:47 am
Williamson had cemented a spot in the backline and was the most likely player to plug the gap left by Docherty’s injury.  Our defence went from a settled, competent unit in 2017 to a makeshift, inexperienced group this season.

Agree, Williamson has been a massive loss, good kick and able to defend a range of different players as well as being able to play further up the ground...
Can also look after himself which is a change from some of the boys we usually recruit....
We need him back in the team pronto, back injuries can be very debilitating  and I hope he comes back the same player.....
Title: Re: 2018 Rd 15: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 29, 2018, 12:53:29 pm
We kicked the first 5 goals then were completely dominated for the rest of the match.

And yet, after trailing for most of the third quarter, we hit the front in the last quarter - not bad for a team that was being dominated  :)

Richmond’s flurry of goals at the end was very much a product of our fatigue