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Have fun. I will edit the name depending on how we go.
As I will be there, I am looking forward to winning, but that is hope talking. :)

Weitering / Plowman / Docherty.  There's the beginnings of a backline.

Our forward line is laughable.  But Charlie C just gets better and better.

If we had one half decent forward we might have run all over them.

Also, 17 less free kicks doesn't help.  A number were the definition of soft.

Liked how Cripps fought his way back in the game in the second half and took control of the centre.  Should be / will be captain.  It speaks volumes that we didn't miss Murphy.

Ed Curnow totally put the Bont out of action in the second half. A great effort. Plowman is a player, Charlie C could be anything, Sumner will get better, Lamb will be useful. Plenty of sprouts. 

Next week it could be winless Carlton vs winless Freo.

Then it could be winless Carlton vs Cheats FC.

If we lose both those games I genuinely fear for Bolton purely based on our clubs history of dealing with these types of results.

If we lose both those games I genuinely fear for Bolton purely based on our clubs history of dealing with these types of results.

He's as safe as Clarkeson

Curnofides, Cripps, Weitering. That is the nucleus to build around. Trade Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer and build around these blokes.

Results just make us feel good, it's about how we play and the future.  Saying that winning craps on losing.

Next week it could be winless Carlton vs winless Freo.

Then it could be winless Carlton vs Cheats FC.

If we lose both those games I genuinely fear for Bolton purely based on our clubs history of dealing with these types of results.

Standards around here are clearly slipping. Round 4. win less, and no "sack Bolton" thread. 

He's as safe as Clarkeson

Unsackable!

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Standards around here are clearly slipping. Round 4. win less, and no "sack Bolton" thread. 

You've obviously been away!

If MacKay does as well as the other debutants SOS will have had a good first year.

Plowman and Weitering showed tonight that we don't need Rowe or Jamison.  Rowe looked lost on a number of occasions and I know Byrne was blame for that cross the goal mouth goal, but Rowe put no body on the mark, just accepted it in a lazy, la de da fashion.  Because he zero awareness.

Plowman and Weitering show how far Rowe is off the game.

Plowman and Weitering showed tonight that we don't need Rowe or Jamison.  Rowe looked lost on a number of occasions and I know Byrne was blame for that cross the goal mouth goal, but Rowe put no body on the mark, just accepted it in a lazy, la de da fashion.  Because he zero awareness.

Awful football, Rowe at anchor and waiting for a passing tug!

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There are 7 year olds that know better than that!

Next week it could be winless Carlton vs winless Freo.

Then it could be winless Carlton vs Cheats FC.

If we lose both those games I genuinely fear for Bolton purely based on our clubs history of dealing with these types of results.

Ridiculous post.

Jamison might not get another game in our backline at this rate.

Ridiculous post.

You're obviously not old enough to know how the Carlton of old works!

Let hope things have changed, but don't be shocked if the unspeakable happens!

Plowman and Weitering showed tonight that we don't need Rowe or Jamison.  Rowe looked lost on a number of occasions and I know Byrne was blame for that cross the goal mouth goal, but Rowe put no body on the mark, just accepted it in a lazy, la de da fashion.  Because he zero awareness.

Probably one or the other, I doubt we'll see both in the same side again unless due to injury

Jamison might not get another game in our backline at this rate.

Hopefully the first of a few players to get dropped

You're obviously not old enough to know how the Carlton of old works!

Let hope things have changed, but don't be shocked if the unspeakable happens!

Wrong.

Bolton was brought in with a mandate to change things over...we could lose the next 15 by 100 and he'd be safe.

The boys have Ben giving good effort and u can see some progression, if that continues we are good as gold

Casboult to defence and take Rowe's spot, Jaksch and Jones in after last night. Casboult plays alot better when he's away from goal. Noticed that tonight. Tempted to drop Krezuer and use Wood, as the former is looking cooked. Graham show ability but needs time with the NB's or now.

Wrong.

Bolton was brought in with a mandate to change things over...we could lose the next 15 by 100 and he'd be safe.

The boys have Ben giving good effort and u can see some progression, if that continues we are good as gold

Now who's being a little naive? :D

If we have a string of results like that by mid-season The Judge's hammer will fall, and Trigger will pull it!

Not me. For the first time in our history we know where we are at and sacking Bolton if we lose the next three games is just plain stupid.

Not me. For the first time in our history we know where we are at and sacking Bolton if we lose the next three games is just plain stupid.

So is stupidity not part of our club's history in your world?

Second half of the first quarter and most of the last  were acceptable. The young 'uns were good.

We're such an easy side to coach against - shut down Cripps and double team Levi and our poor disposal and decision-making will do the rest.

Buckley's a worry in terms of where to play him. Is it good enough to hold down a position if your main role is merely to "harass"?

Lots of love for Graham after he took it up to a few of the bullies after Sumner was poleaxed.

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I think the "reset" this time is fair dinkum. Bolton isn't going anywhere, shellackings or no shellackings, at least IMO.

Curnofides, Cripps, Weitering. That is the nucleus to build around. Trade Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer and build around these blokes.

thats the first thing I have agreed with you today :D

unfortunately Kruezer is a steak knives part of a deal now

murphy - off to hawthorn for a flag son

gibbs - off to adelaide for a flag

So is stupidity not part of our club's history in your world?

Unlike yourself Carlton has moved on....

I think the "reset" this time is fair dinkum. Bolton isn't going anywhere, shellackings or no shellackings, at least IMO.

Spot on

Unlike yourself Carlton has moved on....

Do you think what I write is what I believe should happen, or what I believe might happen?

Hopefully the first of a few players to get dropped

jamison is no more for carlton only when someone gets injured - same with rowe and walker....

plowman, no 23, charlie, sumner, phillips, all the new pieces in the puzzle...

Second half of the first quarter and most of the last  were acceptable. The young 'uns were good.

We're such an easy side to coach against - shut down Cripps and double team Levi and our poor disposal and decision-making will do the rest.

Buckley's a worry in terms of where to play him. Is it good enough to hold down a position if your main role is merely to "harass"?

Lots of love for Graham after he took it up to a few of the bullies after Sumner was poleaxed.

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buckley is nothing - if he didnt have the name buckley he would be at peel thunder--his dropped mark in the forward line was pathetic..

Do you think what I write is what I believe should happen, or what I believe might happen?

Does it matter? you expressed it as an opinion of what may happen which is a complete misread of where the club is at imo

buckley is nothing - if he didnt have the name buckley he would be at peel thunder--his dropped mark in the forward line was pathetic..

Really cost us our momentum. Wouldn't have won but may have lost by less than 4 goals

Does it matter? you expressed it as an opinion of what may happen which is a complete misread of where the club is at imo

So in your read of events, the coach doing well saves his career in the absence of wins is that correct?

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So in your read of events, the coach doing well saves his career in the absence of wins is that correct?

This year. Absolutely

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We tried hard for Tomlinson who would have been handy

We are being ambushed by personal rants. Topic!

English pls

Stop avoiding the questions, that's two you failed to answer!

So you think in the absence of wins, doing well saves Bolton's career correct?

And has our club any history at all of stupid decision making?

Curnofides, Cripps, Weitering. That is the nucleus to build around. Trade Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer and build around these blokes.

Add the Doc, the Plow, and hopefully young Harry and SOSOS (in time) and we'll certainly have a strong base.
Hang in there Bluebaggers. Lots of green shoots emerging

Im starting to get over this game! Those free kicks tonight absolutely killed us! Name one other sport where the junior rules are different to the senior rules?

30 frees to 13. And they evened it up late.

Stop avoiding the questions, that's two you failed to answer!

So you think in the absence of wins, doing well saves Bolton's career correct?

I answered both ffs

Next week it could be winless Carlton vs winless Freo.

Then it could be winless Carlton vs Cheats FC.

If we lose both those games I genuinely fear for Bolton purely based on our clubs history of dealing with these types of results.

I think that your fears are completely without foundation LP.  Bolton was employed to do a job and wins and losses aren't all that relevant at this stage of the journey.  I am sure that board now realise that Malthouse gutted the playing list and f****ed the culture and it will take time to work our way back to where Ratten had us. 

I'm watching the TV coverage at the moment and they just showed Bolton at the whiteboard with the assistants looking on.  He is definitely the man to take us forward.

Stop avoiding the questions, that's two you failed to answer!

So you think in the absence of wins, doing well saves Bolton's career correct?

And has our club any history at all of stupid decision making?

Of course it does!! The last 20 years has taught us that!

Everything we have heard from the club this year has been united and to suggest we will sack the coach harks back to the bad old days

30 frees to 13. And they evened it up late.

Certainly didn't help our (at times) good endeavor. Was 24 to 5 at one point >:(

I answered both ffs

No at all, not a single answer of any sort!

But I'll give you a couple of historic pointers, just to help you out.

Robert Walls, VFL legend, premiership player, coach 3 years, 1 flag, 55 wins - 29 losses - 1 draw, ... sacked.

David Parkin, VFL legend, premiership player, coach 4 years, 2 flags, 79 wins - 40 losses - 1 draw, ... sacked.

Brendan Bolton, never played the game, no track record, ... how many chances will he get?

30 frees to 13. And they evened it up late.

Went 53 minutes without one

Now who's being a little naive? :D

If we have a string of results like that by mid-season The Judge's hammer will fall, and Trigger will pull it!

you've read the situation at the minute incorrectly.
The results are meaningless at this juncture. The endeavor, development, and willingness to commit from the younger
players is everything. That is happening. The board realize now the hard way. There is no quick fix.
This coach is building a bond with the new generation, some fkwit on the executive breaks that, im really done with this club , and so will about 30k members

you've read the situation at the minute incorrectly.
The results are meaningless at this juncture. The endeavor, development, and willingness to commit from the younger
players is everything. That is happening. The board realize now the hard way. There is no quick fix.
This coach is building a bond with the new generation, some fkwit on the executive breaks that, im really done with this club , and so will about 30k members

I don't disagree, but that raises a very interesting question.

How unanimous do you think the board is at the moment?

Here is what I think, if posters like yourself and Jeffy38 really believe that Bolton's results make no difference. Then please make sure you tell the thousands of members who have already failed to sign up in 2016 to get on board soon. Because if that membership trend continues in the light of Bolton's ongoing good losses he's a dead duck, no matter how honorable his intention is.

How unanimous do you think the board is at the moment?
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Totally

Bolton will be given all the time he needs. No more quick fixes.

How bad Kreuzer.....FMD......

Bolton will be given all the time he needs. No more quick fixes.

Exactly! I've just got home and I feel I have been present at, maybe not the birth, but maybe the conception of our future. We have the basics of it certainly in Cripps, Weitering and Plowman together with the Curnows and maybe a couple of others. We played to a plan, we hung in there and we lost for the usual reasons. Writing definitely on the wall for some of the older guys - Rowe will be lucky to survive next week after tonight's effort and Levi is on borrowed time unless something changes pdq. Buckley was very very ordinary.

Promising signs for the future though.

Exactly! I've just got home and I feel I have been present at, maybe not the birth, but maybe the conception of our future. We have the basics of it certainly in Cripps, Weitering and Plowman together with the Curnows and maybe a couple of others. We played to a plan, we hung in there and we lost for the usual reasons. Writing definitely on the wall for some of the older guys - Rowe will be lucky to survive next week after tonight's effort and Levi is on borrowed time unless something changes pdq. Buckley was very very ordinary.

Promising signs for the future though.

Agree. I was also at the game and until Buckley dropped that beautiful pass form Charlie early in the last, I thought we were a sneaky chance.

Then please make sure you tell the thousands of members who have already failed to sign up in 2016 to get on board soon. Because if that membership trend continues in the light of Bolton's ongoing good losses he's a dead duck, no matter how honorable his intention is.

Here's another scenario for you, could it be that thousands of members have finally had enough and/or simply fatigued by it all. Winning will help but I suspect many want to see if the club is genuine about it - i.e. they don't trust them any more (Malthouse was the last straw after Rattan). The recruiting nightmare of the last 15 or more years has nothing to do with Bolton, neither did the poor to non existent development of players.

Carlton either gets this right or hands back the keys. For mine it's Bolton or bust.

I don't disagree, but that raises a very interesting question.

How unanimous do you think the board is at the moment?

Here is what I think, if posters like yourself and Jeffy38 really believe that Bolton's results make no difference. Then please make sure you tell the thousands of members who have already failed to sign up in 2016 to get on board soon. Because if that membership trend continues in the light of Bolton's ongoing good losses he's a dead duck, no matter how honorable his intention is.

If the board sacks the coach the board will be wiped out by an egm

Agree. I was also at the game and until Buckley dropped that beautiful pass form Charlie early in the last, I thought we were a sneaky chance.
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Let's not underplay Kreuzer's shocking efforts up forward too.....

If the board sacks the coach the board will be wiped out by an egm

Well make sure those who think like that show their support by signing up! ;)

Carlton either gets this right or hands back the keys. For mine it's Bolton or bust.

Ditto ...

I don't disagree, but that raises a very interesting question.

How unanimous do you think the board is at the moment?

Here is what I think, if posters like yourself and Jeffy38 really believe that Bolton's results make no difference. Then please make sure you tell the thousands of members who have already failed to sign up in 2016 to get on board soon. Because if that membership trend continues in the light of Bolton's ongoing good losses he's a dead duck, no matter how honorable his intention is.

i'd rather be purged of 10k dumbfk - save fevola members, and pick up additional 30k members later.
There is no coach on the planet at the moment that can make this inexperienced but talented lot play to win lots of games.
Its 3 - 5 years and i mean 3-5 years from now
I've seen enough already that the players have bought in. The challenge will be for them not to get disparaged.
I think we have the right person, in the right place at the right time to take us forward, He's logical, methodical, likeable and realistic
The fans have wanted the truth with respect to the clubs position - reset/rebuild whatever you want to label it, is happening now.

Let's not underplay Kreuzer's shocking efforts up forward too.....

What do you expect from a ruckmen, he is a ruckmen isn't he?

Here's another scenario for you, could it be that thousands of members have finally had enough and/or simply fatigued by it all. Winning will help but I suspect many want to see if the club is genuine about it - i.e. they don't trust them any more (Malthouse was the last straw after Rattan). The recruiting nightmare of the last 15 or more years has nothing to do with Bolton, neither did the poor to non existent development of players.

Carlton either gets this right or hands back the keys. For mine it's Bolton or bust.

We're now on Rebuild Road and there's no going back. We have GOT to find our way along it with BB at the steering wheel, helped by SOS supplying the crew. From what I saw tonight I have faith we'll be successful - at this stage I'm not even contemplating failure at all.

you've read the situation at the minute incorrectly.
The results are meaningless at this juncture. The endeavor, development, and willingness to commit from the younger
players is everything. That is happening. The board realize now the hard way. There is no quick fix.
This coach is building a bond with the new generation, some fkwit on the executive breaks that, im really done with this club , and so will about 30k members

x2

Kerridge needs to hit the scoreboard like he did in the NAB.

What do you expect from a ruckmen, he is a ruckmen isn't he?

He certainly is NOT a forward

Buckley's a worry in terms of where to play him. Is it good enough to hold down a position if your main role is merely to "harass"?


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No.

Buckley is better suited as a running defender - Sumner showed much more defensive and physical pressure than Buckley and kicked a couple of goals too.

I feel that a couple of people here need to barrack for the tigers.

If anyone thought this was going to be a one year/one draft rebuild doesnt understand what position we started from.

Long road ahead however we have already started our new core group, and finally have a modern game plan. We actually have a list manager, and we are trying to recruit for the game plan instead  of recruiting "best talent" with no plan at all other than to save a coaches career. These are my positives.

Lets all agree that we know we have a long way to go.

It could be far worse. We could be in richmonds shoes and think we are good enough to win a flag lol. They remind me of us not long back. 

What do you expect from a ruckmen, he is a ruckmen isn't he?

Buckley is a running defender, not a forward. Is there a role down back for him? If not he's in trouble and he would be fast losing confidence as well.

Sumner has a harder edge than I thought he had. And boy, didn't Plowman show some class towards the end there.

We're now on Rebuild Road and there's no going back. We have GOT to find our way along it with BB at the steering wheel, helped by SOS supplying the crew. From what I saw tonight I have faith we'll be successful - at this stage I'm not even contemplating failure at all.

As a footy club supporter and member is there any other way other than to be optimistic Fluffy one?  ???

Didn't see the game, but what happened to Murph?
How did Weiters, Kerridge and Thomas go?
Did Kerridge turnover many balls?
How did Gibbs play, did he win may hard balls?

Sumner has a harder edge than I thought he had. And boy, didn't Plowman show some class towards the end there.

Agreed, but gee the fab 4 stunk it up. Murph ( yes i know he was injured) Gibbs (yes i know he has a man bun) Kreuze (Bereft of confidence) and Daisy (Wowsers he is sh1t, i cringe every time he gets the ball). We are better off dropping a couple of those blokes to the magoos and reward the good efforts of the others playing well in the NB's.

Didn't see the game, but what happened to Murph?
How did Weiters, Kerridge and Thomas go?
Did Kerridge turnover many balls?
How did Gibbs play, did he win may hard balls?

My 2 cents :

Murph sick at 1/2 time, head cut in the 3rd.
Weitering VVG, Kerridge ok, Thomas blah
Gibbs blah

Bolts gave a fairly measured, if somewhat repetitious, presser.

Happy with the effort, but skill execution in general play lets us down. Thought we did well to hang tough. Mentioned we have two bigs on the boil (McKay and CC), but they take time to mature. Mentioned 10 players we had who have played less than 30 games. Spoke a little about Cripps. Spoke about the time it takes to move to his new style of play, and mentioned the changes in player personnel and coaching staff.

Compare the first 4 games against last year.   Last year we were rubbish with not much to look forward to.  This year at least there seems to be endeavour and a few youngsters coming on (to be simplistic about it all.

This time last year we would have lost by 12 goals after being down by 50 points and didn't have many players to talk positively about.

I think we've already improved this year.

I thought Daisy was good in the last term, seemed to have some spring back in his step but where was it for the other three quarters.

Nicky G not so good, needs to be improving every week, not putting in performances like that. At least he flew the flag for Sumner kind of made up for it. Looking for a big one from him nek week.

Weiters and Curnofides show our drafting is spot on.
Kerridge, Plowman, Phillips, Sumner and Lamb all playing show our trading is spot on (Got all 5 simply by letting Menzel go)
Wright shows we can pick up some free agents as well.

Now all we need is for our senior blokes to stand up.....and learn how to kick goals!

I hope there are some key forwards who can't get a game at other clubs that are on the phone to their manager requesting a trade to Carlton right now. They'd slot right in.

I think most of our senior players are ready to be moved on...the majority aren't even playing up to last year's mediocre level.

The young/new boys are carrying the load.

I think most of our senior players are ready to be moved on...the majority aren't even playing up to last year's mediocre level.

The young/new boys are carrying the load.

Agree. The focus seems to have shifted quite dramatically to the newbies.

I'm not worried about Buckley.

He is a running defender destined to play the role Simpson currently is, and he'll be good depth too even if he isnt best 22.

Kreuzer on the other hand....  A good ruckman last night would have taken the game by himself.  

Murphy was not involved in a lot last night but his involvement was generally good. 


Gibbs had a shocker and he only lifted when the game got easier.  He must be not 100%.

Perhaps these guys are being asked to sit back more and let the kids work??

I don't know but I bloody well hope so.

I'm not worried about Buckley.

He is a running defender destined to play the role Simpson currently is, and he'll be good depth too even if he isnt best 22.

Kreuzer on the other hand....  A good ruckman last night would have taken the game by himself.  

Murphy was not involved in a lot last night but his involvement was generally good. 


Gibbs had a shocker and he only lifted when the game got easier.  He must be not 100%.

Perhaps these guys are being asked to sit back more and let the kids work??

I don't know but I bloody well hope so.

No chance. We are simply learning that after all this time (and three and half coaches), some of these blokes are not good enough to lead us to success. They are foot soldiers (on a good day) who pick and choose when to put in and that doesnt cut it any more. They are being shown up by younger more talented footballers who have shown they are prepared to put in for 4 qtrs for 22 weeks +.

Murphy hardly played in the centre square in the first half.

Murphy was not involved in a lot last night but his involvement was generally good. 

Gibbs had a shocker and he only lifted when the game got easier.  He must be not 100%.

Perhaps these guys are being asked to sit back more and let the kids work??

I don't know but I bloody well hope so.

You on the gas last night Thry?

Exactly! I've just got home and I feel I have been present at, maybe not the birth, but maybe the conception of our future. We have the basics of it certainly in Cripps, Weitering and Plowman together with the Curnows and maybe a couple of others. We played to a plan, we hung in there and we lost for the usual reasons. Writing definitely on the wall for some of the older guys - Rowe will be lucky to survive next week after tonight's effort and Levi is on borrowed time unless something changes pdq. Buckley was very very ordinary.

Promising signs for the future though.

Totally agree.

Daisy should be benched permanently. He's old
Injured and ineffectual - he's broken and there's just no point in him continuing in the side, he adds nothing.

NFI what is going on with murph and kruezer and Gibbs Altho I note his hair has grown.

I highly doubt they've been told to take a backseat - I can't imagine any real athlete/competitor going along with those types of instructions.

I think K will come good, daisy should retire, I hope
Murph comes good and Gibbs will either come good or move on end of season.

You on the gas last night Thry?

No, just trying to figure out why blokes who have more to give are not doing a lot and hoping for a reason to do with development of our younger players.

It's hopefully sacrificing their own games to help their teamates grow.

You'll notice I didn't say any of them played well.

Thought Simmo busted his nut again last night. I know sometimes his disposal can be ordinary but his head is always over the ball and has a natural hunger for the contested ball and courage like so few in our team.

After watching Gibbs and Murph stink it up and yes I know murph was crook, I reckon Simmo is the man that should be leading this young group.

Hope he plays on next year and gets to captain us.

Don't want these new kids player withso called senior players that pick and choose when they go and run at half pace. Will stuff their development.

Long overdue and time for a real leader.

Thought Simmo busted his nut again last night. I know sometimes his disposal can be ordinary but his head is always over the ball and has a natural hunger for the contested ball and courage like so few in our team.

After watching Gibbs and Murph stink it up and yes I know murph was crook, I reckon Simmo is the man that should be leading this young group.

Hope he plays on next year and gets to captain us.

Don't want these new kids player withso called senior players that pick and choose when they go and run at half pace. Will stuff their development.

Long overdue and time for a real leader.

Agree wholeheartedly, but I think it's much too late to make Simmo captain. I wanted this to happen 3 or 4 seasons back.

Just watching the newbies.

The backline performed well for a back 6 that barely know each other. Sometimes a back 6 of spuds can play better than a bunch of talented footballers because of how they work as a unit. Poor old Rowe , out bodies his opponent all night and drops the simple mark all night.

2e is struggling but he's trying to create out of The back half in a team that turns the ball over for fun and doesn't provide options because they don't or can't run .

All good. More newbies please bolts.

I'm not worried about Buckley.

He is a running defender destined to play the role Simpson currently is, and he'll be good depth too even if he isnt best 22.

Kreuzer on the other hand....  A good ruckman last night would have taken the game by himself.  

Murphy was not involved in a lot last night but his involvement was generally good. 


Gibbs had a shocker and he only lifted when the game got easier.  He must be not 100%.

Perhaps these guys are being asked to sit back more and let the kids work??

I don't know but I bloody well hope so.

Buckley isnt strong enough in the body or the air to play half back, dropped a sitter last night and just gets pushed off the ball to easily, Simpson while small can take a mark and hold his ground...I like Buckley but he has a long long way to go....

No, just trying to figure out why blokes who have more to give are not doing a lot and hoping for a reason to do with development of our younger players.

It's hopefully sacrificing their own games to help their teamates grow.

You'll notice I didn't say any of them played well.

If you wanna send a message, drop Murphy and Gibbs then bring in Tutt and White.
Message sent.

Tutt is a much better footballer than Buckley.

Why can't they have 2e up forward? Hes a great kick and he's tough and will chase the ball

Tutt is a much better footballer than Buckley.

Nikki Buckley....???

Nikki Buckley....???

Don't worry, he hates Buckley because I like him....human nature and all that.

Buckley's strength is his run, carry and delivery, he can't use that playing forward, if we don't have a spot for him down back I fear his career with us may be over.

Just watching the newbies.

The backline performed well for a back 6 that barely know each other. Sometimes a back 6 of spuds can play better than a bunch of talented footballers because of how they work as a unit. Poor old Rowe , out bodies his opponent all night and drops the simple mark all night.

2e is struggling but he's trying to create out of The back half in a team that turns the ball over for fun and doesn't provide options because they don't or can't run .

All good. More newbies please bolts.

I wonder how good DVR would slot on back there. Good kick and seems to do well defensively. Let him grow with Weitering and Plowman and create something back there.

Don't worry, he hates Buckley because I like him....human nature and all that.

Buckley's strength is his run, carry and delivery, he can't use that playing forward, if we don't have a spot for him down back I fear his career with us may be over.

But this is what is inherently wrong with our club and supporters and why we don't know how to develop players.

You are right Buckley is better off half back, and would he make us better down back sure. But does this make us a better team going forward where he becomes nothing more than a back pocket.

What if Geelong was content with Gary being an elite small forward... apples and oranges i know but it's about the process and message you send. Oh you suck go back to the back pocket if you want to play seniors etc

But this is what is inherently wrong with our club and supporters and why we don't know how to develop players.

You are right Buckley is better off half back, and would he make us better down back sure. But does this make us a better team going forward where he becomes nothing more than a back pocket.

What if Geelong was content with Gary being an elite small forward... apples and oranges i know but it's about the process and message you send. Oh you suck go back to the back pocket if you want to play seniors etc

Carrazzo was a back pocket player early in his career.

I wonder how good DVR would slot on back there. Good kick and seems to do well defensively. Let him grow with Weitering and Plowman and create something back there.

Why not.

He's basically the same size as 2E, Byrne and Thomas and 4 cm taller than Simpson.

I don't know hat he's like as a straight out defender, but seems to have the rest of the skills covered.

Carrazzo was a back pocket player early in his career.

And became a great player for us in midfield. "Become comfortable being uncomfortable." Imagine if Buckley can be developed into what Aaron Hall is for GC now.

Carrazzo was a back pocket player early in his career.

Geez he came a long way. Shows where a great attitude and will to succeed can get you. If only Furphy and jibbs were not too big to let his attitude rub off onto them. 

And became a great player for us in midfield. "Become comfortable being uncomfortable." Imagine if Buckley can be developed into what Aaron Hall is for GC now.

Don't mean to pull you up, but.....
Great? maybe very good.

I feel that a couple of people here need to barrack for the tigers.

If anyone thought this was going to be a one year/one draft rebuild doesnt understand what position we started from.

Long road ahead however we have already started our new core group, and finally have a modern game plan. We actually have a list manager, and we are trying to recruit for the game plan instead  of recruiting "best talent" with no plan at all other than to save a coaches career. These are my positives.

Lets all agree that we know we have a long way to go.

It could be far worse. We could be in richmonds shoes and think we are good enough to win a flag lol. They remind me of us not long back.

THIS
Hold your nerve Bluebaggers

Not enough said about how consistent the doc is.

In a defense lacking key personnel he never drops his head and rarely gets beaten.

Reminds me a lot of Andy McKay.

I think he could get a AA selection this year.

Not enough said about how consistent the doc is.

In a defense lacking key personnel he never drops his head and rarely gets beaten.

Reminds me a lot of Andy McKay.

I think he could get a AA selection this year.

Agree, as someone else said, we are very luck to have him.

Not enough said about how consistent the doc is.

In a defense lacking key personnel he never drops his head and rarely gets beaten.

Reminds me a lot of Andy McKay.

I think he could get a AA selection this year.

Agreed Shawny.
The Doc (along with Crippa, Weitering, and likely quite a few of the newer draft/recruits) is certainly the epitome of leadership. He's Blue through and through and plays like he is.

Murphy, K, Gibbs and co. aside - the young guns will have strong role models in these second teir players. No doubt Murph won't captain next year. This will make room for the next leaders in 2017.
I look forward to the next crop showing the way. It's a new game plan with plenty of room for growth and development of the young blokes. (what happens to the old blokes - well that will be history).

Forget the McKay comparisons, this bloke is Peter Dean reborn.

Plowman and Weitering showed tonight that we don't need Rowe or Jamison.  Rowe looked lost on a number of occasions and I know Byrne was blame for that cross the goal mouth goal, but Rowe put no body on the mark, just accepted it in a lazy, la de da fashion.  Because he zero awareness.

I think you have done Rowe a disservice: he may not have played a great game ( we don't call him 'Fumbles' for nothing), but he kept Tom Boyd down to a handful of possessions and had him totally ineffective. His spoiling was excellent (and nor was it alone: most of our defenders had good nights in the air) and his body work on Boyd was also first class.
What let him down was his inability to hold his marks after he has done all the hard work and his tendency to be a part of some of our worst looking errors.

When Rowe was at his best, a couple of seasons back, he started fumbling a lot, but as the year went on, his confidence improved and he started hold some pretty good marks. I'd like to see him getting back to that sort of form, as having Rowe firing is a big plus.
However, neither he nor Jamison has really managed to get our new game style and defensive structure down pat yet. These 2 guys have been caught out when the ball goes over their heads. THAT is definitely due to lack of awareness.
Yesterday Rowe played a more 1 on 1 game, which suits him far better. Hence he played more effectively.

I seem to recall reading somewhere beforehand that Stringer would kick 12.......

Casboult to defence and take Rowe's spot, Jaksch and Jones in after last night. Casboult plays alot better when he's away from goal. Noticed that tonight. Tempted to drop Krezuer and use Wood, as the former is looking cooked. Graham show ability but needs time with the NB's or now.

Interesting thoughts:
[1] Casboult: not sure he has the awareness to make a top defender, but he just might. There won't be many forward who can out-mark him and him being the hunter instead of the hunted might work out.
[2] Nick Graham: Like Murphy and Gibbs (and to a lesser extent, Cripps), Graham has not managed to relate as well to our new midfield structures as our newer players have. When he was at his best, last year before the injury, he wasn't taking many marks, but was getting to the foot of the pack and getting a lot of clearances. Now he is getting on the end, instead of initiating play again.
I don't think this is a major issue, but it shows how he has adjusted to his present role and it isn't bringing out his best.
Another thing I would do, if I were him, would be work on his body strength. He probably isn't going to get a lot faster, but work on his sprints (particularly the 1st couple of metres) and his ability to out-body opponents (which isn't happening yet) and he would become more effective.
It is possible that he may need a week or 2 in the VFL, when someone like DVR or Cunningham is ready to come up. It wouldn't hurt.
[3] Kreuzer: he is really struggling at the moment, even though he had one of his best ever games at getting taps. He hasn't been able to take a mark around the ground for so long that I can't remember one this season. He finally took a couple of marks on the lead as a forward in the last quarter (after dropping one where he got both hands to the ball directly in front). In fact, he played some of his best forward football in quite a long time last night. However, with 4 marks for the night, and 3 of them on the lead, that isn't enough.
He still had minimal impact around the ground, even against the worst ruck division in the competition.
Phillips, on the other hand, took a couple of nice contested marks and looked to have a future.
Maybe Kreuzer does need some time in the VFL. He needs to rediscover his mojo and start providing a target.
[4] Jaksch and Jones: not sure we can play both of them together yet in the seniors. However, their form has been much improved and at least one of them must be getting close to a recall.

Second half of the first quarter and most of the last  were acceptable. The young 'uns were good.

We're such an easy side to coach against - shut down Cripps and double team Levi and our poor disposal and decision-making will do the rest.

Buckley's a worry in terms of where to play him. Is it good enough to hold down a position if your main role is merely to "harass"?

Lots of love for Graham after he took it up to a few of the bullies after Sumner was poleaxed.

This is another area where a few more kgs of muscle would help Graham. He is not a guy to put up with crap, so having a few more muscles to impose his will on the enemy would be a good thing.

Certainly didn't help our (at times) good endeavor. Was 24 to 5 at one point >:(

We were basically crucified by the umpires. After the game I heard Terry Wallet pontificating, explaining that free kicks need not be the same for both sides. His explanation would be fine had they umpires not paid so many 50:50 frees against and then not paid some of the most obvious frees in history to us. Yes, they were getting to the ball first and probably deserved more frees, but that does not mean that we do not have backs that are pushed, heads that have been interfered with, arms that have been chopped, marks that have been taken or holding the balls that should be rewarded. We were not rewarded for our work, and a few of those frees that were given (like the one against Rowe) should earn all 3 umpires several weeks in deepest, darkest Qld or Tassie.

@ Crash

As they say in the classics, "We were crucified Tony!"

The game of AFL dictates that it is not possible for a team to play 53 minutes without being infringed upon once.

No.

Buckley is better suited as a running defender - Sumner showed much more defensive and physical pressure than Buckley and kicked a couple of goals too.

I am more than inclined to agree. Buckley has played his best football in defence. He had to concentrate on his game more and his pace from defence was very useful.
For all that, he started very well and had some good patches. But that dropped mark was lethal.

The game of AFL dictates that it is not possible for a team to play 53 minutes without being infringed upon once.

But as the Little Golden Book of AFL umpiring dictates - unless your name is Carlton.

Daisy should be benched permanently. He's old
Injured and ineffectual - he's broken and there's just no point in him continuing in the side, he adds nothing.

NFI what is going on with murph and kruezer and Gibbs Altho I note his hair has grown.

I highly doubt they've been told to take a backseat - I can't imagine any real athlete/competitor going along with those types of instructions.

I think K will come good, daisy should retire, I hope
Murph comes good and Gibbs will either come good or move on end of season.

Unfortunately the recruiting of Dale Thomas is going to go down as one of the worst decisions of the Malthouse administration. Not only did it cost a lot of money over an extended time period, but it had to have an effect on retaining (more accurately, the no - retaining) of Betts.
Thomas has been an excellent player, but his body is no longer allowing him to do the things that made him such a good player. He is fragile. He breaks very easily (in that regard he has taken the mantle from Broke McLean).
His pace, his aggression at the contest, his spring and solid hands and the depth of this kicking have all disappeared. He has shown some of the indomitable will (like the smother against the Weagles last year), but he just doesn't get to the contests any more.
He has to be thinking of retirement. He is a proud man: he cannot be liking what he is producing any more than we can like seeing it.
At this point he id not being able to deliver enough with any consistency. It must gall him at least as much as it galls us.
With his body no longer being reliable, he has to be considering his future.

@ Crash

I think you're right about Daisy and it wouldn't surprise me to see him retire - with probably some kind of inducement offered by the club.

Not enough said about how consistent the doc is.

In a defense lacking key personnel he never drops his head and rarely gets beaten.

Reminds me a lot of Andy McKay.

I think he could get a AA selection this year.

When he started with us he was anything but consistent, and his kicking was very unreliable. He has had 4 straight good games this year and is suiting our new structure very well. He has been an excellent pick-up.

I seem to recall reading somewhere beforehand that Stringer would kick 12......

Stringer got moved off Plowman because Plowman was taking him to the cleaners in the air and on the ground. He did adequately in the midfield, but even then we managed to curtail his influence. He got some ball in the end - how could he not when the Dogs play ring and ring a rosy with the handballs? However, very few players had less influence on the result.

Unfortunately the recruiting of Dale Thomas is going to go down as one of the worst decisions of the Malthouse administration. Not only did it cost a lot of money over an extended time period, but it had to have an effect on retaining (more accurately, the no - retaining) of Betts.
Thomas has been an excellent player, but his body is no longer allowing him to do the things that made him such a good player. He is fragile. He breaks very easily (in that regard he has taken the mantle from Broke McLean).
His pace, his aggression at the contest, his spring and solid hands and the depth of this kicking have all disappeared. He has shown some of the indomitable will (like the smother against the Weagles last year), but he just doesn't get to the contests any more.
He has to be thinking of retirement. He is a proud man: he cannot be liking what he is producing any more than we can like seeing it.
At this point he id not being able to deliver enough with any consistency. It must gall him at least as much as it galls us.
With his body no longer being reliable, he has to be considering his future.

must be corrected - 7 of the current 8 directors that appointed MM are still on the Board - they are responsible

@ Crash

As they say in the classics, "We were crucified Tony!"

In season 4 of Game of Thrones, the Wise Masters of Meereen crucified 163 slaves to mark the way to the city. That is what happened to us last night.
Now we just need a couple of Dragons and some Unsullied to return the pleasure.

must be corrected - 7 of the current 8 directors that appointed MM are still on the Board - they are responsible

I am not sure ANY of the board members were directly responsible for recruiting Thomas. I seem to recall that a certain former coach, some recruiting staff and maybe a GM having more input than any board member, including the President of the club. Most of these have been replaced already.
That the board must have rubber stamped it, they probably remember now with embarrassment, but it is not their responsibility to make those decisions. if they had interfered with that process, then they would deserve to be sacked.

@ Crash

I think you're right about Daisy and it wouldn't surprise me to see him retire - with probably some kind of inducement offered by the club.

I would hope that he is thinking along these lines. I would not want to sack him: he needs to be the one to make that decision. Otherwise he simply go elsewhere and continue to fail, which won't help anyone.

Agree, as someone else said, we are very luck to have him.

We certainly are, and we got him for Hampson, who must surely have set an AFL record on Friday night with 1 possession and 5 critical errors.
The best trade in the history of the CFC, but Jaksch, Whiley and Boekhorst for pick 7 I'm not so rapt about.
Edit: I think we should get behind Thomas which is something Carlton supporters haven't done so far.
Forget who got him to the club and how much it cost and just watch how he plays and how much he gives for the jumper, take the emotion out of it and see him as a Carlton footballer.
Even half fit he's good value.

I am not sure ANY of the board members were directly responsible for recruiting Thomas. I seem to recall that a certain former coach, some recruiting staff and maybe a GM having more input than any board member, including the President of the club. Most of these have been replaced already.
That the board must have rubber stamped it, they probably remember now with embarrassment, but it is not their responsibility to make those decisions. if they had interfered with that process, then they would deserve to be sacked.

the board is responsible, even if they rubber stamped it in your words. if there is no board responsibility then you get the club performance what we have over the last 20 years.  changing the deck chairs of sacked coaches and non-performing players. we have a 6.4 million debt , as a result of these board decisions, including daisy- rubber stamp or not.

I am more than inclined to agree. Buckley has played his best football in defence. He had to concentrate on his game more and his pace from defence was very useful.
For all that, he started very well and had some good patches. But that dropped mark was lethal.

He may be better in defence, but he's not clinical, is often out-muscled and his decision making (and disposal at times) is poor.

He may be better in defence, but he's not clinical, is often out-muscled and his decision making (and disposal at times) is poor.

Yes. He has a fair bit of work to do.

He may be better in defence, but he's not clinical, is often out-muscled and his decision making (and disposal at times) is poor.

I suppose we can cut him some slack in the decision making given his age and experience, but at 23 I'd have expected a greater improvement from a person who was so highly rated. I hope we are not paying him overs due to his surname, it's my fear regarding SOSOS as well.

To me Buckley is a warning in regards to how we go about recruiting FaS types. Plus he is already quite old for a player with only really three years and 30 games of experience.

Unfortunately the recruiting of Dale Thomas is going to go down as one of the worst decisions of the Malthouse administration. Not only did it cost a lot of money over an extended time period, but it had to have an effect on retaining (more accurately, the no - retaining) of Betts.
Thomas has been an excellent player, but his body is no longer allowing him to do the things that made him such a good player. He is fragile. He breaks very easily (in that regard he has taken the mantle from Broke McLean).
His pace, his aggression at the contest, his spring and solid hands and the depth of this kicking have all disappeared. He has shown some of the indomitable will (like the smother against the Weagles last year), but he just doesn't get to the contests any more.
He has to be thinking of retirement. He is a proud man: he cannot be liking what he is producing any more than we can like seeing it.
At this point he id not being able to deliver enough with any consistency. It must gall him at least as much as it galls us.
With his body no longer being reliable, he has to be considering his future.

He left Collingwood for the money, no way he'll retire before he gets it. He has no loyalty to us, why would he give a fork?

Edit: B4L you are taking the piss with those comments re Daisy yeah?

Wdit: You do a great job of bagging 90% of the list but expect us to swallow that crap? Where was he for three quarters last night?

He left Collingwood for the money, no way he'll retire before he gets it. He has no loyalty to us, why would he give a fork?

Exactly, his decision to leave Collingwood was based on sureing up his future after football and 99% of people in the same situation (injured body, uncertain future) would act in the same way - it's certainly not Dale Thomas' fault that we allowed an ageing senior coach to extend his sphere of influence into recruitment. It's just another example of poor governance, which is typical when a collective of ex-footballers and successful small businessmen try their hand at running a corporation. Hopefully things are changing.

He left Collingwood for the money, no way he'll retire before he gets it. He has no loyalty to us, why would he give a fork?

You don't know him from a bar of soap and have no idea what his attitude to the CFC is, your blind hatred of anything or anybody associated with Malthouse colours everything you post.

Exactly, his decision to leave Collingwood was based on sureing up his future after football and 99% of people in the same situation (injured body, uncertain future) would act in the same way - it's certainly not Dale Thomas' fault that we allowed an ageing senior coach to extend his sphere of influence into recruitment.

The only thing that interests me is whether we are a better side with Thomas than without him as things currently stand, and there's no doubt in my mind that we are better with him.
I couldn't care less how much he's getting paid, whether he's Mick Malthouse's love child or what he eats for breakfast.

You don't know him from a bar of soap and have no idea what his attitude to the CFC is, your blind hatred of anything or anybody associated with Malthouse colours everything you post.

No actually I don't know him, but I know someone that is close to the inner sanctum and what you're posting is plain bullshight, as per usual you have no idea what you are talking about. You rate players by their paycheque,not their output. Clueless.

The only thing that interests me is whether we are a better side with Thomas than without him as things currently stand, and there's no doubt in my mind that we are better with him.
I couldn't care less how much he's getting paid, whether he's Mick Malthouse's love child or what he eats for breakfast.

Yup, in a nutshell. Monkey see, monkey do.

No actually I don't know him, but I know someone that is close to the inner sanctum and what you're posting is plain bullshight, as per usual you have no idea what you are talking about. You rate players by their paycheque,not their output. Clueless.

Yeah, I know a bloke who knows a bloke who knows another bloke too, we all do.
For the millionth time, I couldn't care less what he's getting paid, but on his form so far this season he's in our best 22 easily.
End of story.

Yeah, I know a bloke who knows a bloke who knows another bloke too, we all do.
For the millionth time, I couldn't care less what he's getting paid, but on his form so far this season he's in our best 22 easily.
End of story.

If you look you goose, I actually praised him for his last quarter and at no stage did I say drop him. What I said was that he left Collingwood for the money and there aint no way he's walking away early and missing out on that cash. That was in response to OTHER posters saying he may do so. Capeesh?

If you look you goose, I actually praised him for his last quarter and at no stage did I say drop him. What I said was that he left Collingwood for the money and there aint no way he's walking away early and missing out on that cash. That was in response to OTHER posters saying he may do so. Capeesh?

Just on this Thomas thing.

I had a revelation today and it made me angry with the club.

Why did we take Daisy as a FREE AGENT.
Why didn't we trade for him?

Reason being, we didn't get compensation for Eddie Betts leaving because we got Thomas is. Had we have traded for Thomas, we would've still got him AND got compensation for betts leaving.

If Collingwood were never going to match the offer, or couldn't match the offer, why not offer them a trade.
Lets say we traded away a 3rd (or even a 2nd) round pick for Daisy.

They get a 3rd round pick for a player they were going to lose for free anyway. They are happy.
We get Thomas via trade, and thus mean we are eligible for compensation for Betts leaving and possible get a 1st round pick as compensation.

The upshot of it all is, we get a 3rd round pick upgraded to a 1st round pick and still get Thomas.

Why the hell didn't the club do this?

Hate to say it but ask your mate Greg Swann. Maybe he struck a deal with Eddie to look after them. Who the fork knows the whole thing is a disaster.

Just a word on Thomas.

Was at the ground and had good seats and watches a lot of work off the ball.

One thing I noticed was Thomas directs and leads well well works off the ball and from what i saw is respected by all even the senior guys. Was directing simmo where to stand  :o.

I agree he will never be the player he was but I think we might take something from his experience and leadership.

On another point this is why any discussions putting him in the same basket with Gibbs is crap.

One is younger has the body and still the ability but refuses to work hard when the pressure is on while the other doesn't have the body but is a real professional and while his work with footy is only average he sets a great example for the youngsters and I think we still need that sort of player.

Just that if you rate him on what he cost us it's a massive fail -  but if you can get past that we can still get something out of his time in blue.

Just on this Thomas thing.

I had a revelation today and it made me angry with the club.

Why did we take Daisy as a FREE AGENT.
Why didn't we trade for him?

Reason being, we didn't get compensation for Eddie Betts leaving because we got Thomas is. Had we have traded for Thomas, we would've still got him AND got compensation for betts leaving.

If Collingwood were never going to match the offer, or couldn't match the offer, why not offer them a trade.
Lets say we traded away a 3rd (or even a 2nd) round pick for Daisy.

They get a 3rd round pick for a player they were going to lose for free anyway. They are happy.
We get Thomas via trade, and thus mean we are eligible for compensation for Betts leaving and possible get a 1st round pick as compensation.

The upshot of it all is, we get a 3rd round pick upgraded to a 1st round pick and still get Thomas.

Why the hell didn't the club do this?

Because Collingwood wouldnt hand a 1st round pick via compo to arch enemy Carlton ......not for a 3rd rounder...

They got what they wanted..us saddled with a banged up truck for 4-5 years and less room to move in the cap....in the used car trade they would call us wood ducks....

On another point this is why any discussions putting him in the same basket with Gibbs is crap. One is younger has the body and still the ability but refuses to work hard when the pressure is on while the other doesn't have the body but is a real professional and while his work with footy is only average he sets a great example for the youngsters and I think we still need that sort of player.

In the end they are both extremely overpaid under-performers. So the comparisons are there for all to see. Both are what's wrong with Carlton, whether it be their fault or not.

Hate to say it but ask your mate Greg Swann. Maybe he struck a deal with Eddie to look after them. Who the fork knows the whole thing is a disaster.

Trust you to go straight there.

Of course i just worked out why as soon as i posted the above.

That would stop Collingwood from 'earning' compo for Thomas. So it wouldn't benefit them at all.

But yeah sure, blame Swann. Makes about as much sense as everything else you trot out. ::)

Just a word on Thomas.

On another point this is why any discussions putting him in the same basket with Gibbs is crap.

One is younger has the body and still the ability but refuses to work hard when the pressure is on while the other doesn't have the body but is a real professional and while his work with footy is only average he sets a great example for the youngsters and I think we still need that sort of player.

Sadly that is too true - IIRC his B+F win was in a "contract year", which seems to be indicative

That would stop Collingwood from 'earning' compo for Thomas. So it wouldn't benefit them at all.

Waite is on fire this season after 23 games and 42 goals in 2015.
Why we wouldn't offer him a decent contract is one thing, why we received zilch for him as a free agent is another entirely.

Trust you to go straight there.

Of course i just worked out why as soon as i posted the above.

That would stop Collingwood from 'earning' compo for Thomas. So it wouldn't benefit them at all.

But yeah sure, blame Swann. Makes about as much sense as everything else you trot out. ::)

You were the one who posed the question numb nuts.

Waite is on fire this season after 23 games and 42 goals in 2015.
Why we wouldn't offer him a decent contract is one thing, why we received zilch for him as a free agent is another entirely.

Seriously, just kicked his 4th... Enough said

Waite is on fire this season after 23 games and 42 goals in 2015.
Why we wouldn't offer him a decent contract is one thing, why we received zilch for him as a free agent is another entirely.

How could they possibly compensate us when we woukd only offer him a one year deal? We didn't rate him and we let him go. I get the feeling he would've gone anyway, Malthouse couldn't find a spot in the side for him remember. He was also to blame for everything along with Robbo. Can't blame Waite for wanting away from the tyrant.

Just amazing Mick couldn't find a spot for him.

I have read this tread and find some of the comments about Bolton amusing. He will not be going any ware IMHO  this year or even next year if we keep improving and there is light at the end of the tunnel. As an employee of the club Bolton will have KPI's and if he does not meet them then Trigg may give him the heave ho, but I doubt  it very much that that will occur this year or maybe even next year as long as there is improvement. He is a teacher and you can see that he is getting his message across to the players, he is teaching them how to execute the game plan.

I have been a lifelong Carlton supporter and a paid up member for 40+ years. I've hardly missed a game. I would of done almost anything to see Carlton play. If my wife was having a baby on grand final day and Carlton were playing I would be telling her to cross her legs until after the game. I've put up with all of the crap that we have dished out in the past 15 - 20 years, the spoons the crap from opposition supporters I did not care, I was a Blues supporter and proud of it. I have seen 4 flags live and 8 flags in total through my life. Ask any other supporter how many flags they have seen in the last 40 or 50 years. Last year I could not bear to watch any footy, I was so demoralised by what they dished up and all of the other crap that was going on at the club. I went to maybe 4 games and saw 1 win. I did not watch any replays or read the papers. To top it off we finished last for the 4th spoon in the last 15 years.

This year things have turned around a lot after a big off season. Great recruiting, new  assistants and a new coach who comes from the best football team of the last 5 - 10 years. Great marketing, a RESET. I can relate to resets. Working in the IT industry I know that when you reset a pc it starts from scratch, it boots up. A phrase that means you pull yourself up from the bootlaces. It starts at the bottom and it works its way up to the desktop. There are many steps, phases, call them what you want before you get to the desktop. It a long process and things can sometimes go wrong, so there are bumps in the road. Sometimes you have to replace failed or old drivers or uninstall non working applications. Clean out all of the crap before you can get to the desktop and a reliable stable pc. This is all part of the process. Carlton has started at the bottom and is working its way to the desktop it will take time but we are heading in the right direction because the club has RESET.

I went to the game last night and was pissed at their effort in the second quarter and thought a hiding was coming for the rest of the game. But no it didn't. We out played them at their own game in the second half. We won almost all of the stats apart from free kicks, don't get me started, and possessions. We matched it with them and only turnovers cost us. If not for turnovers we would of been a lot closer. If that had of been last year we would of folded like a house of cards and been smashed by 100 point!!! I believe that we are on the right track. We are rebuilding from scratch.

I have watched the replay of the game even though we lost, I don't usually watch replays when we lose  but this year I have made a point to, just to see the green sprouts that Bolton talks about and I can see them. Yes we have some old drivers and applications that are not working and need to be cleaned out but this will take time to do you can't do all in one go. Bolton is the right man for the club no doubt about it he will take up to the promised land and if not he will lay foundations for someone who will in the next 5 years or so.

Something I noticed last night at half time break was a shot of the Carlton rooms with Bolton talking to the players behind closed doors. The room was dark and Bolton was standing in front of the players. At first I was confused as to what was going on. I then realised that he was showing them a replay, video or slide of the game plan or the game. He was teaching them, reinforcing the intricacies about the game plan during the half time break. Now I am not privy to what goes on behind closed doors during  half time breaks, and if this is part and parcel of what teams do, but I thought that this was something that a great leader/teacher does and I was really impressed. It must of worked as I said previously we won the second half and did not go onto been smashed by 100 points as may of been the case last year.

The green sprouts are the new recruits, Whitering, Curnow, Kerriage, Wright, Plowman, Sumner ect they have made a difference so far. They are the new drivers and applications that have started the reset and they are making a difference. I looking forward to the rest of the year, there maybe some glitches along the way and I will be pulling my hair out, what's left of it, but I am confident that we are finally heading in the right direction.

GO BLUES.

Just amazing Mick couldn't find a spot for him.

Ratten dropped him too, but we won't mention that eh?

@Blueboy1 Great post mate, no one can be sure if Bolts will make it but he won't due wondering.

Ratten dropped him too, but we won't mention that eh?

When and for what reason. I don't remember that happening and if it did it would've been disciplinary. There's a big difference between dropping a player once to prove a point as opposed to continuously leaving out a gun forward from a side getting beat.

You asked why Waite isn't here. What's wrong, truth hurts huh?

You were the one who posed the question numb nuts.

Yes, i did. Rather than apply any kind of logic and/or reason to the problem, you went straight to the conspiracy, blame Swann for colluding with his old mate.

Just curious, do you make a new tin foil hat every day or do you just reuse the same one you used the day before?

You asked why Waite isn't here.

I guess I should have known it was all down to Malthouse. ::)

I guess I should have known it was all down to Malthouse. ::)

Okay no probs, Waite had a great relationship with Mick, Mick always played him, showed him the utmost respect publicly, never pointed the finger at him, no way he had anything to do with it. That ridiculous public outburst after Waite left was completely unlike Mick and gave us no insight at all into the way he treated Waite.

You obviously don't want the truth, so does that statement make you feel any better Budsy? Time for bed me thinks.

I have read this tread and find some of the comments about Bolton amusing. He will not be going any ware IMHO  this year or even next year if we keep improving and there is light at the end of the tunnel. As an employee of the club Bolton will have KPI's and if he does not meet them then Trigg may give him the heave ho, but I doubt  it very much that that will occur this year or maybe even next year as long as there is improvement. He is a teacher and you can see that he is getting his message across to the players, he is teaching them how to execute the game plan.

I have been a lifelong Carlton supporter and a paid up member for 40+ years. I've hardly missed a game. I would of done almost anything to see Carlton play. If my wife was having a baby on grand final day and Carlton were playing I would be telling her to cross her legs until after the game. I've put up with all of the crap that we have dished out in the past 15 - 20 years, the spoons the crap from opposition supporters I did not care, I was a Blues supporter and proud of it. I have seen 4 flags live and 8 flags in total through my life. Ask any other supporter how many flags they have seen in the last 40 or 50 years. Last year I could not bear to watch any footy, I was so demoralised by what they dished up and all of the other crap that was going on at the club. I went to maybe 4 games and saw 1 win. I did not watch any replays or read the papers. To top it off we finished last for the 4th spoon in the last 15 years.

This year things have turned around a lot after a big off season. Great recruiting, new  assistants and a new coach who comes from the best football team of the last 5 - 10 years. Great marketing, a RESET. I can relate to resets. Working in the IT industry I know that when you reset a pc it starts from scratch, it boots up. A phrase that means you pull yourself up from the bootlaces. It starts at the bottom and it works its way up to the desktop. There are many steps, phases, call them what you want before you get to the desktop. It a long process and things can sometimes go wrong, so there are bumps in the road. Sometimes you have to replace failed or old drivers or uninstall non working applications. Clean out all of the crap before you can get to the desktop and a reliable stable pc. This is all part of the process. Carlton has started at the bottom and is working its way to the desktop it will take time but we are heading in the right direction because the club has RESET.

I went to the game last night and was pissed at their effort in the second quarter and thought a hiding was coming for the rest of the game. But no it didn't. We out played them at their own game in the second half. We won almost all of the stats apart from free kicks, don't get me started, and possessions. We matched it with them and only turnovers cost us. If not for turnovers we would of been a lot closer. If that had of been last year we would of folded like a house of cards and been smashed by 100 point!!! I believe that we are on the right track. We are rebuilding from scratch.

I have watched the replay of the game even though we lost, I don't usually watch replays when we lose  but this year I have made a point to, just to see the green sprouts that Bolton talks about and I can see them. Yes we have some old drivers and applications that are not working and need to be cleaned out but this will take time to do you can't do all in one go. Bolton is the right man for the club no doubt about it he will take up to the promised land and if not he will lay foundations for someone who will in the next 5 years or so.

Something I noticed last night at half time break was a shot of the Carlton rooms with Bolton talking to the players behind closed doors. The room was dark and Bolton was standing in front of the players. At first I was confused as to what was going on. I then realised that he was showing them a replay, video or slide of the game plan or the game. He was teaching them, reinforcing the intricacies about the game plan during the half time break. Now I am not privy to what goes on behind closed doors during  half time breaks, and if this is part and parcel of what teams do, but I thought that this was something that a great leader/teacher does and I was really impressed. It must of worked as I said previously we won the second half and did not go onto been smashed by 100 points as may of been the case last year.

The green sprouts are the new recruits, Whitering, Curnow, Kerriage, Wright, Plowman, Sumner ect they have made a difference so far. They are the new drivers and applications that have started the reset and they are making a difference. I looking forward to the rest of the year, there maybe some glitches along the way and I will be pulling my hair out, what's left of it, but I am confident that we are finally heading in the right direction.

GO BLUES.

Agreed. 10 X players with less than 30 games experience. Give it another 12 months.

I have read this tread and find some of the comments about Bolton amusing. He will not be going any ware IMHO  this year or even next year if we keep improving and there is light at the end of the tunnel. As an employee of the club Bolton will have KPI's and if he does not meet them then Trigg may give him the heave ho, but I doubt  it very much that that will occur this year or maybe even next year as long as there is improvement. He is a teacher and you can see that he is getting his message across to the players, he is teaching them how to execute the game plan.

I have been a lifelong Carlton supporter and a paid up member for 40+ years. I've hardly missed a game. I would of done almost anything to see Carlton play. If my wife was having a baby on grand final day and Carlton were playing I would be telling her to cross her legs until after the game. I've put up with all of the crap that we have dished out in the past 15 - 20 years, the spoons the crap from opposition supporters I did not care, I was a Blues supporter and proud of it. I have seen 4 flags live and 8 flags in total through my life. Ask any other supporter how many flags they have seen in the last 40 or 50 years. Last year I could not bear to watch any footy, I was so demoralised by what they dished up and all of the other crap that was going on at the club. I went to maybe 4 games and saw 1 win. I did not watch any replays or read the papers. To top it off we finished last for the 4th spoon in the last 15 years.

This year things have turned around a lot after a big off season. Great recruiting, new  assistants and a new coach who comes from the best football team of the last 5 - 10 years. Great marketing, a RESET. I can relate to resets. Working in the IT industry I know that when you reset a pc it starts from scratch, it boots up. A phrase that means you pull yourself up from the bootlaces. It starts at the bottom and it works its way up to the desktop. There are many steps, phases, call them what you want before you get to the desktop. It a long process and things can sometimes go wrong, so there are bumps in the road. Sometimes you have to replace failed or old drivers or uninstall non working applications. Clean out all of the crap before you can get to the desktop and a reliable stable pc. This is all part of the process. Carlton has started at the bottom and is working its way to the desktop it will take time but we are heading in the right direction because the club has RESET.

I went to the game last night and was pissed at their effort in the second quarter and thought a hiding was coming for the rest of the game. But no it didn't. We out played them at their own game in the second half. We won almost all of the stats apart from free kicks, don't get me started, and possessions. We matched it with them and only turnovers cost us. If not for turnovers we would of been a lot closer. If that had of been last year we would of folded like a house of cards and been smashed by 100 point!!! I believe that we are on the right track. We are rebuilding from scratch.

I have watched the replay of the game even though we lost, I don't usually watch replays when we lose  but this year I have made a point to, just to see the green sprouts that Bolton talks about and I can see them. Yes we have some old drivers and applications that are not working and need to be cleaned out but this will take time to do you can't do all in one go. Bolton is the right man for the club no doubt about it he will take up to the promised land and if not he will lay foundations for someone who will in the next 5 years or so.

Something I noticed last night at half time break was a shot of the Carlton rooms with Bolton talking to the players behind closed doors. The room was dark and Bolton was standing in front of the players. At first I was confused as to what was going on. I then realised that he was showing them a replay, video or slide of the game plan or the game. He was teaching them, reinforcing the intricacies about the game plan during the half time break. Now I am not privy to what goes on behind closed doors during  half time breaks, and if this is part and parcel of what teams do, but I thought that this was something that a great leader/teacher does and I was really impressed. It must of worked as I said previously we won the second half and did not go onto been smashed by 100 points as may of been the case last year.

The green sprouts are the new recruits, Whitering, Curnow, Kerriage, Wright, Plowman, Sumner ect they have made a difference so far. They are the new drivers and applications that have started the reset and they are making a difference. I looking forward to the rest of the year, there maybe some glitches along the way and I will be pulling my hair out, what's left of it, but I am confident that we are finally heading in the right direction.

GO BLUES.

BB1...I am of similar vintage my friend, and I concur with all of the above...Bolton is going no where...got to stay the course Blues...that's it!

@blueboys_1

Excellent balanced post.
Couldn't agree more.

Go Blues

If Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer (ditto Daisy) put in even 'ok' games, we would be winning these matches.

These blokes are the reason we are so bad.....they simply don't produce on a consistent enough basis.

Three #1 and one #2 draft picks producing diddly squat.

Okay no probs, Waite had a great relationship with Mick, Mick always played him, showed him the utmost respect publicly, never pointed the finger at him, no way he had anything to do with it. That ridiculous public outburst after Waite left was completely unlike Mick and gave us no insight at all into the way he treated Waite.

You obviously don't want the truth, so does that statement make you feel any better Budsy? Time for bed me thinks.

Waites wife had a lot to do with him leaving.

The only consultation I can get from the Waite episode is there are probably more than just a couple of clubs that are now spewing they didn't pick him up.

One thing i noticed that wasn't there last year, is the preparedness to close gaps and harass on the mark when opposition have it.
The new found zeal impresses me and its almost a barometer of where things are at in terms of buy in and effort.
I saw the collingwood game today, and there was not much of that

Waites wife had a lot to do with him leaving.

That's what I had heard rumoured, she wears the pants and allegedly wanted a Foxtel gig which Brayshaw made happen. If so her wage should almost be part of the Norp TPP. It sounds a bit like the rumours of Danger allegedly having Costa employ relatives.

The only thing that jerked my chain with Waite was us not getting compensated.... while I don't want to dredge up that old cadaver it does nothing to make look up the kangas with anything less than disdain.

That's what I had heard rumoured, she wears the pants and allegedly wanted a Foxtel gig which Brayshaw made happen. If so her wage should almost be part of the Norp TPP. It sounds a bit like the rumours of Danger allegedly having Costa employ relatives.

Rumour shmumour, Waite's wife is a pain in the ass but I can categorically say he wanted away from Mick and the one year offered was just an excuse. My wanka bro in law fixes his cars, knows him very well. Waite was that scared of the bloke he could not even tell him to his face. You guys seem to forget Malthouse was not even playing him, he is after all a footballer (and a bloody good one) who needs to play football. No brainer for him to go elsewhere.

The only thing that jerked my chain with Waite was us not getting compensated.... while I don't want to dredge up that old cadaver it does nothing to make look up the kangas with anything less than disdain.

And I just don't get how people keep complaining about this. He wasn't getting a game FFS, we weren't playing him. We were only prepared to offer a year. How the fork could you possibly expect to be compensated? Just no brainer stuff prof, take your navy blue specs off and think about it. You want to blame someone blame the bloke who made him his whipping boy and would not play him.

Rumour shmumour, Waite's wife is a pain in the ass but I can categorically say he wanted away from Mick and the one year offered was just an excuse. My wanka bro in law fixes his cars, knows him very well. Waite was that scared of the bloke he could not even tell him to his face. You guys seem to forget Malthouse was not even playing him, he is after all a footballer (and a bloody good one) who needs to play football. No brainer for him to go elsewhere.

Unfortunately some of the greatest coaches have that aura about them, Malthouse, Pagan, Matthews, Blight, Clarkson etc. Not everyone can handle it.

Maybe Waite has found his right balance. Pagan and Malthouse too tough, Ratten too soft, Brad Scott just right. Together with a medical team he trusts and a team that is winning.

He's definitely a different player watching him yesterday. Looks like he could play another two years as well.

Hey Carrotts, that spud Frawley wasn't playing much either and Melbourne got pick 2 for him.

He's definitely a different player watching him yesterday. Looks like he could play another two years as well.

Yep and at our club he would get the best defender every week where at North he has Petrie and Ben Brown freeing him up to effectively play third tall and roam to the wing.

It has worked wonders for his ability to get on the park too, because he isnt copping the heavy treatment that the Gorilla minders dish out on a regular basis.

Im not solely of the belief we were doing everything wrong with regards to our players, but I think these guys leaving our club to go to places where they can play the roles that gets the best out of them as opposed to staying with us, where we needed them to shoulder heavier loads has a lot to do with their fortunes even if it is negatively impacting ours.

Not since Fevola was at the club was Waite able to play the role he was better suited to, and even back then we were still short one tall (pardon the pun).

Hey Carrotts, that spud Frawley wasn't playing much either and Melbourne got pick 2 for him.

Yes but he was offered 500k was he not, and he was not playing due to injury. Big diff prof.

Yep and at our club he would get the best defender every week where at North he has Petrie and Ben Brown freeing him up to effectively play third tall and roam to the wing.

For Waite I'll definitely give you that. It is easier for him. But ball movement and gameplan definitely plays it's part as well.

Yep and at our club he would get the best defender every week where at North he has Petrie and Ben Brown freeing him up to effectively play third tall and roam to the wing.

It has worked wonders for his ability to get on the park too, because he isnt copping the heavy treatment that the Gorilla minders dish out on a regular basis.

Im not solely of the belief we were doing everything wrong with regards to our players, but I think these guys leaving our club to go to places where they can play the roles that gets the best out of them as opposed to staying with us, where we needed them to shoulder heavier loads has a lot to do with their fortunes even if it is negatively impacting ours.

Not since Fevola was at the club was Waite able to play the role he was better suited to, and even back then we were still short one tall (pardon the pun).

Actually, as the most effective forward, Waite is getting the first or second defender.  As we know very well, when he's in form his athleticism and unpredictability make him very hard to stop.

No use crying over spilt milk and I'm more concerned about what North's fitness and medical staff are doing differently to keep him on the park.

Actually, as the most effective forward, Waite is getting the first or second defender.  As we know very well, when he's in form his athleticism and unpredictability make him very hard to stop.

No use crying over spilt milk and I'm more concerned about what North's fitness and medical staff are doing differently to keep him on the park.

Our medical, fitness and conditioning staff have been a big concern of mine for a while now. Some of our guys seem to be unable to break the cycle.

fk,  that ben brown has good hands

If Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer (ditto Daisy) put in even 'ok' games, we would be winning these matches.

These blokes are the reason we are so bad.....they simply don't produce on a consistent enough basis.

Three #1 and one #2 draft picks producing diddly squat.

Yep, this is what is annoying the crap out of me at the moment. Kreuzer and Daisy's bodies are probably the main reason for their poor performances. Bur for me, Murph and Gibbs just don't have any excuses and if my hair were long enough, I'd probably be tearing it out !!

fk,  that ben brown has good hands

Can play, looks like such an unlikely type as well.

For Waite I'll definitely give you that. It is easier for him. But ball movement and gameplan definitely plays it's part as well.

Makes a difference when the ball is being delivered into the forward line quickly and accurately. We all knew Waite's hands were the best in the business - probably best since Loewe or, before that, Swan McKay. Our mids have been w-a-y too slow, lazy, stupid, and inept for too long.

Our full forward now has even better hands than Waite but we just bomb it in to him as well. A bigger problem is when he does take the big mark he is a 50-50 proposal as to whether he can execute a drop punt.

Makes a difference when the ball is being delivered into the forward line quickly and accurately. We all knew Waite's hands were the best in the business - probably best since Loewe or, before that, Swan McKay. Our mids have been w-a-y too slow, lazy, stupid, and inept for too long.

North seem to be playing him almost exclusively as a forward, rather than shifting him forward and back. Anyone else agree ?

Im not solely of the belief we were doing everything wrong with regards to our players, but I think these guys leaving our club to go to places where they can play the roles that gets the best out of them as opposed to staying with us, where we needed them to shoulder heavier loads has a lot to do with their fortunes even if it is negatively impacting ours.

Not since Fevola was at the club was Waite able to play the role he was better suited to, and even back then we were still short one tall (pardon the pun).

Betts left for the money pure and simple, Waite left for the length of the contract.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but given Waite's injury history and our stage of development at the time it would have been insane to offer him three years, just imagine the outcry if we had and he played 6 or 8 games a year in those years.
North sees itself as a Premiership chance this year or next and has added experienced and classy, albeit injury prone, players like Waite and Higgins to maximise their chances, Hawthorn did the same with great success so you can't wonder at their strategy.
Personally I have no issues with players looking after number one because clubs are ruthless going the other way, so good luck to both Waite and Betts as far as I'm concerned.
As it happens I think Waite played his best football at Carlton in the back half, but we have been so light on for forwards over the past decade that we were left with no option.

Our full forward now has even better hands than Waite but we just bomb it in to him as well. A bigger problem is when he does take the big mark he is a 50-50 proposal as to whether he can execute a drop punt.

50/50, that's even money, Blue Boy.

I wouldn't take 10/1 about him kicking a goal from 40 metres out directly in front. ::)

Just a word on Thomas.

Was at the ground and had good seats and watches a lot of work off the ball.

One thing I noticed was Thomas directs and leads well well works off the ball and from what i saw is respected by all even the senior guys. Was directing simmo where to stand  :o.

I agree he will never be the player he was but I think we might take something from his experience and leadership.

On another point this is why any discussions putting him in the same basket with Gibbs is crap.

One is younger has the body and still the ability but refuses to work hard when the pressure is on while the other doesn't have the body but is a real professional and while his work with footy is only average he sets a great example for the youngsters and I think we still need that sort of player.

Just that if you rate him on what he cost us it's a massive fail -  but if you can get past that we can still get something out of his time in blue.

I am pleased he adds something to our team. Watching on TV meant he didn't do a lot and what he did do was generally poor. His body has failed him and my view is that he is now a liability. I think I would prefer blooding a young player now instead of Daisy. It's unfortunate as I had high hopes for him.

Anyone see Gibbs sh1t his pants in front of a marking contest and then get sprayed by Rowe? Or are people still, incredibly enough, considering him a good footballer?  One of the biggest pretenders I've ever seen play the game.

If Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer (ditto Daisy) put in even 'ok' games, we would be winning these matches.

These blokes are the reason we are so bad.....they simply don't produce on a consistent enough basis.

Three #1 and one #2 draft picks producing diddly squat.

It's a sickness that people still rile off those names.  If you ignore their positions in their draft - out of 10, Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer are a 7,5 and 4 respectively

Anyone see Gibbs sh1t his pants in front of a marking contest and then get sprayed by Rowe? Or are people still, incredibly enough, considering him a good footballer?  One of the biggest pretenders I've ever seen play the game.

Sponts I'm so sorry bro, I bagged you all those years for singling out Gibbs, you were right.

Sponts I'm so sorry bro, I bagged you all those years for singling out Gibbs, you were right.

PI2C this is without a doubt the best day of my life! Thank you my friend!!!

I will now gladly welcome any other apologies  ;D

PI2C this is without a doubt the best day of my life! Thank you my friend!!!

I will now gladly welcome any other apologies  ;D

That now means Gibbs is a certainty for the B+F!  :D

Michelle (Bluesgirl) is on facebook ranting about Jono Brown saying he's a real Rex Hunt or something along those lines because of what he wrote. Does anyone know what he wrote about us?

Michelle (Bluesgirl) is on facebook ranting about Jono Brown saying he's a real Rex Hunt or something along those lines because of what he wrote. Does anyone know what he wrote about us?

Doesn't seem to be anything on a quick search....maybe watch "On the couch" tonight. He'll no doubt sink the slipper

Brown made comments about Cotchins wife backing him on social media. He said WAGs should but out or something along those lines.

Brown made comments about Cotchins wife backing him on social media. He said WAGs should but out or something along those lines.

Not Carlton related then?

Not Carlton related then?

not to my knowledge.

That now means Gibbs is a certainty for the B+F!  :D

You could be right  ;)

Brown made comments about Cotchins wife backing him on social media. He said WAGs should but out or something along those lines.

Ahh that makes sense about what she wrote. I thought he'd called Marc Murphy weak or something lol.

Might I add Bluesgirl is actually very good friends with Cotchin's missus lol.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jonathan-brown-responds-to-trent-cotchins-wife-brookes-public-support-of-richmond-captain/news-story/40b67e9b61efd83452909c868a87a609

Jonathan Brown responds to Trent Cotchin’s wife Brooke’s public support of Richmond captain
April 18, 2016 4:01pm
Herald Sun

JONATHAN Brown says players’ partners should “stay out of it” after Trent Cotchin’s wife Brooke jumped to the defence of her man online last Saturday.

“I’m not sure, I don’t know Cotch that well but Cotch would have died, when he walked down to the newsagency the next day to grab the Herald Sun,” Brown told Nova 100.

Brooke Cotchin posted a supportive message on her Instagram account after Richmond’s heavy loss to West Coast and then agreed to an exclusive interview with the Sunday Herald Sun after the social media post gained traction.


“Expressing your feelings, you can understand but ... it’s the perception, obviously Richmond are going through a tough time, we just want to be big boys, we want to be men and it’s a man game.”

Brown said it was a “no-go zone” for his wife Kylie to make comments publicly during his decorated career at the Brisbane Lions.

“We get great support from our partners and our loved ones, they are there to support you at home, through the tough times, which is great, they do a fantastic job the girls, but they need to stay out of it publicly,” Brown said.
 
“This was a no-go zone from my wife Kylie, certainly I never had to muzzle her ... she would never have spoken publicly about it.”

Brown said the comments only perpetuate a perception Richmond has a “soft underbelly”.

“You know what, if Luke Hodge’s partner Loz did the same thing, after Hodgey broke his arm a couple of weeks ago, they had a bad loss against Geelong, you know what it would be a non-story because Luke Hodge and the Hawthorn Football Club has performed under pressure and in finals and won premierships, but it’s this perception, Richmond has a soft underbelly, sometimes from the leaders, when these sort of stories come out it just perpetuates the perception.”

Michelle (Bluesgirl) is on facebook ranting about Jono Brown saying he's a real Rex Hunt or something along those lines because of what he wrote. Does anyone know what he wrote about us?

Wish i had've come here first.

I just did a few online searches to find out what that was about.

Personally i'd have to agree with Jono Brown on this one. Cotchin will be sledged about this for the rest of his career. I think that is essentially where JB is coming from.

Coaches Votes

CARLTON v WESTERN BULLDOGS
8 Shane Biggs (WB)
7 Lachie Hunter (WB)
7 Matt Suckling (WB)
4 Koby Stevens (WB)
2 Dale Morris (WB)
1 Sam Docherty (Carl)
1 Jordan Roughead (WB)

Coaches Votes

CARLTON v WESTERN BULLDOGS
8 Shane Biggs (WB)
7 Lachie Hunter (WB)
7 Matt Suckling (WB)
4 Koby Stevens (WB)
2 Dale Morris (WB)
1 Sam Docherty (Carl)
1 Jordan Roughead (WB)

Three retreds...Biggs, Suckling and Koby Stevens...the latter was just a plodder at WC but is a polished footballer now and seems to be in the Bulldogs best each week...
Two sweet kicking players in Hunter and Suckling..was impressed with Hunter..Dal Santo type left footer, nice pickup for a father and son ..

Coaches Votes

CARLTON v WESTERN BULLDOGS
8 Shane Biggs (WB)
7 Lachie Hunter (WB)
7 Matt Suckling (WB)
4 Koby Stevens (WB)
2 Dale Morris (WB)
1 Sam Docherty (Carl)
1 Jordan Roughead (WB)

Pretty much the way I saw it too.

cotchins not married to mrs waites sister is he?

I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned elsewhere but Murphy began feeling ill in the first half, before he copped that knock on the weekend.
He was throwing up at Half-Time

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-season-2016-blues-to-monitor-ill-marc-murphy-20160418-go913j.html

I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned elsewhere but Murphy began feeling ill in the first half, before he copped that knock on the weekend.
He was throwing up at Half-Time

The guy next to me at the game pointed that out. As I said before, I suspect he may be rested this week.

Throwing up maybe a bout of gastro? Would be literally impossible to push through.

Throwing up maybe a bout of gastro? Would be literally impossible to push through.

Dipper played after losing a lung!

Dermie played after being knocked to kingdom come.

Platten played after breaking ribs.

Hodge breaks bones in his arm and misses 2 weeks.

So our 'captain' had a virus and everyone wants to excuse him - what was wrong with him in round 2 and 3?  No wonder we haven't one a flag for 20 years while the Hawks have held the cup up 4 times in the same period!
 

Dipper played after losing a lung!

Dermie played after being knocked to kingdom come.

Platten played after breaking ribs.

Hodge breaks bones in his arm and misses 2 weeks.

So our 'captain' had a virus and everyone wants to excuse him - what was wrong with him in round 2 and 3?  No wonder we haven't one a flag for 20 years while the Hawks have held the cup up 4 times in the same period!
 

Still alot different from playing if you're feeling weak and ill. In those other cases you're feeling very sore, but you're still strong, playing with alot of courage but not ill.

Dipper played after losing a lung!

Dermie played after being knocked to kingdom come.

Platten played after breaking ribs.

Hodge breaks bones in his arm and misses 2 weeks.

So our 'captain' had a virus and everyone wants to excuse him - what was wrong with him in round 2 and 3?  No wonder we haven't one a flag for 20 years while the Hawks have held the cup up 4 times in the same period!  

I agree, Murphy is a softy but gastro is not a pain thing, I don't think you can compare.

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Seriously? We couldn't find a better kicking coach for levi than Andrew Walker? Was Sav not available this year?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-19/coaching-but-not-too-much-of-it-the-answer-for-casboults-poor-kicking

Unless you were in his body I doubt you'd know how he was feeling  ::) seriously idiotic comments on here.

Murph gets in there and I wouldn't call him soft physically - if you're comparing him to a guy like Hodge well he's a dirty sniper who goes about it in a way I don't respect and would hate for us to be doing.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-04-18/plowman-and-sumners-first-outing (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-04-18/plowman-and-sumners-first-outing)

Plowman ones of those guys who always has time.....

Between Weitering and the Plow our back line should start to look good (and to to overlook the importance of Docherty too).

Unless you were in his body I doubt you'd know how he was feeling  ::) seriously idiotic comments on here.

Murph gets in there and I wouldn't call him soft physically - if you're comparing him to a guy like Hodge well he's a dirty sniper who goes about it in a way I don't respect and would hate for us to be doing.

I don't get why people get so cut about this, he is soft, ask any other supporter from a different club for a non biased view. He has shown he can be fair dinkum no doubt, but not consistently so the soft tag belongs.

Hodge is a modern version of the enforcer

We have no enforcer

Period....

Hodge is a protected species. Any other player pulling those stunts would get suspended much more than him.

Hodge is a protected species. Any other player pulling those stunts would get suspended much more than him.

Indeed. he has got away with ridiculous stuff for many a year. Always the sniper too.....

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-04-18/plowman-and-sumners-first-outing (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-04-18/plowman-and-sumners-first-outing)

Plowman ones of those guys who always has time.....

Between Weitering and the Plow our back line should start to look good (and to to overlook the importance of Docherty too).

It's a nice start in year 1 of a rebuild to have half of your backline sorted. Weitering, Plowman and Docherty, no nonsense players with skills and the first two are natural defenders, with Doc being that run and carry player. Keep them together as much as you can for the rest of the season, let the grow and good things will happen.

Indeed. he has got away with ridiculous stuff for many a year. Always the sniper too.....

Agree, he is a dirty little kent IMO, no doubt but:
- The footy world in general love him;
- The AFL love him
- He has 4 premiership medals around his neck.

You know what? If Murph was a dirty little kent and he had 4 premiership medals around his neck? I would profess my undying love for him and worship the ground he walks on just like the Hawks fans do with Hodge. Thats life!

It's a nice start in year 1 of a rebuild to have half of your backline sorted. Weitering, Plowman and Docherty, no nonsense players with skills and the first two are natural defenders, with Doc being that run and carry player. Keep them together as much as you can for the rest of the season, let the grow and good things will happen.

Hopefully Jesse Hyphen can be the 4th one in that core group of 6 too - time will tell but even pre draft many compared him to Rance.

And Byrne a 5th? Still only 21....

Indeed. he has got away with ridiculous stuff for many a year. Always the sniper too.....

Haha didn't you see him do WWFs with his cast on Sunday? Cracked a Saints player good and proper, of course nothing was said.

Agree, he is a dirty little kent IMO, no doubt but:
- The footy world in general love him;
- The AFL love him
- He has 4 premiership medals around his neck.

You know what? If Murph was a dirty little kent and he had 4 premiership medals around his neck? I would profess my undying love for him and worship the ground he walks on just like the Hawks fans do with Hodge. Thats life!

Yep! You love your own villains and hate everybody else's, that's how it works.  :))

Haha didn't you see him do WWFs with his cast on Sunday? Cracked a Saints player good and proper, of course nothing was said.

nice blokes finish last

Indeed. he has got away with ridiculous stuff for many a year. Always the sniper too.....

Lewis is no better ,another sniper you can throw in Gibson also .Hawks,Cats,Swans  are the chosen ones they get freekicks no team ever gets usually in front of goal and never have a holding the ball decision against them   >:(

It's a nice start in year 1 of a rebuild to have half of your backline sorted. Weitering, Plowman and Docherty, no nonsense players with skills and the first two are natural defenders, with Doc being that run and carry player. Keep them together as much as you can for the rest of the season, let the grow and good things will happen.

For some reason they remind me of the '95 version:

Peter Dean / Michael Sexton / Andrew McKay
Plowman / Weitering / Docherty

Long way to go but they just seem similar in some way. Every other line looks laughable when held up against the '95 team at the minute.

For some reason they remind me of the '95 version:

Peter Dean / Michael Sexton / Andrew McKay
Plowman / Weitering / Docherty

Long way to go but they just seem similar in some way. Every other line looks laughable when held up against the '95 team at the minute.

Not to mention the last line of Rice, Silvagni, Christou.......Another couple of hard nuts with excellent foot skills would be the next step.  Not sure if it's Zach & one (or both) of the other two Irishmen, Sheehan has had a horrible injury run, I'd like to see what he can do as well.

Not to mention the last line of Rice, Silvagni, Christou.......Another couple of hard nuts with excellent foot skills would be the next step.  Not sure if it's Zach & one (or both) of the other two Irishmen, Sheehan has had a horrible injury run, I'd like to see what he can do as well.

Ciaran Bryne looks hard at it, his disposal seems okay as well. I haven't seen much of him at Northern Blues level, but he does seem willing for the contest.

Poor Adrian Whitehead, the forgotten back pocket of 1995.

Whitey was a gun, gees did we miss out on a quality small mid there.  Blasted foot injuries.

Ciaran Bryne looks hard at it, his disposal seems okay as well. I haven't seen much of him at Northern Blues level, but he does seem willing for the contest.

Couldn't believe his second head clash Sat night.
He didn't protect himself at all

Whitey was a gun, gees did we miss out on a quality small mid there.  Blasted foot injuries.

Mate was going to move into the midfield when Diesel and co retired and have a great career. Really rated the kid.

Not to mention the last line of Rice, Silvagni, Christou.......Another couple of hard nuts with excellent foot skills would be the next step.  Not sure if it's Zach & one (or both) of the other two Irishmen, Sheehan has had a horrible injury run, I'd like to see what he can do as well.

Reckon Rice played half forward in 1995. Matty Hogg played in defence.

Just on this Thomas thing.

I had a revelation today and it made me angry with the club.

Why did we take Daisy as a FREE AGENT.
Why didn't we trade for him?

Reason being, we didn't get compensation for Eddie Betts leaving because we got Thomas is. Had we have traded for Thomas, we would've still got him AND got compensation for betts leaving.

If Collingwood were never going to match the offer, or couldn't match the offer, why not offer them a trade.
Lets say we traded away a 3rd (or even a 2nd) round pick for Daisy.

They get a 3rd round pick for a player they were going to lose for free anyway. They are happy.
We get Thomas via trade, and thus mean we are eligible for compensation for Betts leaving and possible get a 1st round pick as compensation.

The upshot of it all is, we get a 3rd round pick upgraded to a 1st round pick and still get Thomas.

Why the hell didn't the club do this?

Why would Collingwood trade him for a 3rd rounder when they knew the size of his contract and knew it would get them a first rounder as compo? They would trade for a 3rd rounder and lose a 1st - would be the biggest bork of all time.

Why would Collingwood trade him for a 3rd rounder when they knew the size of his contract and knew it would get them a first rounder as compo? They would trade for a 3rd rounder and lose a 1st - would be the biggest bork of all time.

You should've kept reading the thread. ;)

It would have been very much to our benefit to trade for Thomas, seriously injured as he was. But Collingwood may well not have done it. They got a better pick for compensation than we were going to offer.

In those days we were not good at this sort of negotiating. Had Silvagni been in his role then, he would probably have got Thomas and picks for a 3rd rounder, or not taken him at all. But, alas, we cannot go back in time and correct our mistakes. We wanted Thomas badly and paid the price.

Hindsight is a wonderful tool. I am sure I, and others, have perfected the process. Others may or may not agree. But I thought at the time that we were stupid to allow Betts to go (no matter what he actually wanted) and that we were taking a risk we didn't need to take to get Thomas as we did.
Split milk, as they say. I would love to make the best of a disaster, but afraid time is going to be the only cure for this one. When Thomas retires we will have decent money to:
(a) make sure all of our good young kids remain Blues.
(b) maybe even attract a free agent (at a better deal than our last disaster) who might want to be part of a team on the up.
and or (c) make sure possible good picks are willing to sign up with us.
In the mean time we will simply have to hope that Thomas can get on the park more regularly than he has so far (not a difficult task) and that Betts does start to play any better than he already is (that one offers me less hope).