A Saturday Night game at the MCG on April 17th against Port.
We haven't won a lot of games like this in recent times, especially against Port. It will be a big test, but at least Williams should be back,
If we play like this next week, we're toast.
I think we'll play a lot better. Won't guarantee we'll win though.
Pretty sure I am close to never wanting to see Setterfield play for us again. People who crap can Murph saying he doesn't like a contest should watch the 43 run around.
Pretty sure I am close to never wanting to see Setterfield play for us again. People who crap can Murph saying he doesn't like a contest should watch the 43 run around around.
Agree. Setters was totally insipid.
Agree. Setters was totally insipid.
Kennedy should have been playing ahead of him all year. Its what he doesn't do that's most dissappointing.
Pretty sure I am close to never wanting to see Setterfield play for us again. People who crap can Murph saying he doesn't like a contest should watch the 43 run around around.
Setters wasn't impressive. He managed to get the ball reasonably well, but he turned over the ball far too often. He needs to go back and get thing right, because we cannot afford 2nd class efforts.
Was concerned when Setterfield was selected on Thursday night. WTF is he an automatic selection? Must be dropped after tonight. Weren't Dow, Setterfield and LoB all acquired in the same year? If so that's close to a year's recruiting wiped out.
Pleased to see Cottrell and Kennedy get a run, pity JSOS hurt again, we need his commitment.
Pretty sure I am close to never wanting to see Setterfield play for us again. People who crap can Murph saying he doesn't like a contest should watch the 43 run around around.
100% spot on. Never once seen this bloke show any real desire or urgency. Rarely gets called out on his sub par efforts. if we are serious and really want to be a finals team and compete seriously with the top teams blokes like setterfield Dow and lob will not be on the list come seasons end.
100% spot on. Never once seen this bloke show any real desire or urgency. Rarely gets called out on his sub par efforts. if we are serious and really want to be a finals team and compete seriously with the top teams blokes like setterfield Dow and lob will not be on the list come seasons end.
Unfortunately we really need Dow, a top 3 pick, to make it and I think he’s still got the talent and desire to make it. I’d persevere. Same for a Cunningham.
However, I agree on Setters and Lob, over both.
With a fit list (if we ever get anything like one or close enough to it) there is zero room for setterfield or dow.
The bl00dy team just confounds me sometimes. But Cottrell is a definite keeper, thought his desperation and coverage was great. Betts, despite the doubters, really shone as well.
I thought setters went into the centre in the 3/4 and did alright for periods.
Anyway im not wedded to these guys, but I think we need to give them a modicum of patience. Last year was disruptive enough but Dow and setters have both had some massive injuries that might be knocking their confidence about a bit. O brien is the frustrating one who doesn't play outside well enough to warrant the lack of balance to his game.
Dow had a chance to shoot for goal in the last and passed it off to Newnes which I think tells a story.
Dow had a chance to shoot for goal in the last and passed it off to Newnes which I think tells a story.
It told me that he knew he couldn't kick the distance so he gave it to a longer and better kick.
Unfortunately we really need Dow, a top 3 pick, to make it and I think he’s still got the talent and desire to make it. I’d persevere. Same for a Cunningham.
However, I agree on Setters and Lob, over both.
No one is saying don't persevere but he can play in the 2s until his form warrants elevation....
That should be the rule for 95% of the players.....
No one is saying don't persevere but he can play in the 2s until his form warrants elevation....
That should be the rule for 95% of the players.....
Understood, however I’m saying that we should persevere with him in the AFL. I think he’s close to a breakout game and is just getting stuck running to the wrong spots more often than not, which may be a result of not having much time on the ball over the past couple of years. Pretty sure that Dow will come good.
SPS is a good example of perseverance - he has been roundly criticised on this site for a lack of defensive ability/losing his forward (including by me) however he’s turned it around and is now playing a much stronger contested and assured brand of footy. Couldn’t be happier for him.
The difference between SPS/Dow and Setterfield is that the former two give their all and I can’t say the same at the moment for Setters, and a lack of effort should not be tolerated.
Agree with JD. Flick Setterfield, but persist with Dow. For the past couple of weeks Dow, is at least, cracking in. Can't say the same for Setterfield who is a skirt at the moment and match committee should be telling him so. I'm hoping Kennedy gets a game instead of him.
Once again I'd also give Levi a rest. For the 2 or 3 good things he does, he'll cancel them out with 2 or 3 diabolical's (kicking at goal, attack on the ball etc.). If McGovern has survived in the 2's I'd give him another crack.
Poor old Jack will most definitely be out, which is a shame, but maybe now is the time to give another hard worker in Stocker a crack.
Common theme being in all of these is that we need hardness in and around the ball if we are to be any chance against PA.
Port use the ball well from half back and we need players who can chase with leg speed, watched the Tiggers vs Port game and
players like Byrne Jones, Huston,Hartlett etc really hurt the Tigers. I wouldnt be going too large down forward and I think the key with Port is too match them with mobility.
Of course we also need a plan for Dixon who scares the crap out of our players and needs a double team...
Paddy Dow
I think most want him to make it. We have always been short of a class back pocket to play on the skilful small forwards. If Paddy has to spend more time in the two's, perhaps worth a try back there.
cheers Ab
Pretenders or Contenders.
I reckon we'll have a much better idea of where we sit in the scheme of things after this game.
It doesn't have to be a win, but at the very least, a good competitive performance is what's required.
There are two things that MAY work in our favour next week.
1) We 'should' come with strong intensity and pressure...there will be no thinking along the lines of 'we just have to turn up.'
Not against this side.
2) Port may have put great mental and physical effort into the Richmond game...they may be the ones who are just a bit off in terms of the mental approach to what they may regard as a 'lesser' opponent.
Kennedy must play, and Mc Govern has probably earned a recall as well.
We could lose Plowman to injury.
We will probably lose Silvagni to injury.
We might lose Gibbons from concussion.
Marchbank got injured in the 2's.
Someone suggested Oscar McDonald got injured as well.
We already have Charlie, TDK, Newman, Martin, Fisher, Kemp unavailable.
Williams may or may not be available next week.
I'm sure i've forgotten a couple too.
but that is 12 players.
From what we've got left i'm not sure we are capable of winning.
From that list though Kruds
Silvagni
Gibbons
Plowman
would be the ones to go out of last night's side.
McGovern takes Silvagni's spot
Kennedy takes the Gibbons spot
and maybe Stocker for the Plowman job.
and there is a chance Williams may play...
I'm not sure we lose a lot....but that requires McGovern and Stocker to step up a level.
We could lose Plowman to injury.
We will probably lose Silvagni to injury.
We might lose Gibbons from concussion.
Marchbank got injured in the 2's.
Someone suggested Oscar McDonald got injured as well.
We already have Charlie, TDK, Newman, Martin, Fisher, Kemp unavailable.
Williams may or may not be available next week.
I'm sure i've forgotten a couple too.
but that is 12 players.
From what we've got left i'm not sure we are capable of winning.
Pretty sure Gibbo was cleared of concussion.
Don't get too excited by McGovern... Reports I have from the match were critical of his lack of running and effort. The three goals give a false reading on his form. Crocker was the success on our forward line.
Don't get too excited by McGovern... Reports I have from the match were critical of his lack of running and effort. The three goals give a false reading on his form. Crocker was the success on our forward line.
Didnt the Box Hill Hawks beat them easily?....Crocker might find himself on the list mid year.
I'm not sold on McGovern especially vs Port who thrive on lazy forwards but we lack soldiers as Krud suggested so he will probably play. Might be a chance for him to show something and convince a few non believers.
Port are banged up with injuries too and will miss Butters and Duursma.....Butters is a jet who would have been real problems so glad to see him out. If it was played in SA I would have said no chance but at home I think we can give them a run for their money even though the wins vs Freo and GC were very workman like.
Our brand of play is still very second rate compared to many teams and these last two games were ordinary to watch.
Didnt the Box Hill Hawks beat them easily?....Crocker might find himself on the list mid
year............................................................................................
Port are banged up with injuries too and will miss Butters and Duursma.....Butters is a jet who would have been real problems so glad to see him out...
Our brand of play is still very second rate compared to many teams and these last two games were ordinary to watch.
I agree Elwood. We sit 2-2 so we achieved what we needed to, but there's nothing really convincing about it. You can only beat what is in front of you, but the last 2 weeks the opposition has been ordinary.
A very bittersweet weekend IMO. Nice to be 50/50 with W/L, but injuries to Slivagni and Marchbank, the VFLW girls lost, and next week Port.
From that list though Kruds
Silvagni
Gibbons
Plowman
would be the ones to go out of last night's side.
McGovern takes Silvagni's spot
Kennedy takes the Gibbons spot
and maybe Stocker for the Plowman job.
and there is a chance Williams may play...
I'm not sure we lose a lot....but that requires McGovern and Stocker to step up a level.
....and people want to drop dow, setterfield and casboult.
....and people want to drop dow, setterfield and casboult.
Think all three will play......Lycett and Ladhams are big units and Pittonet will need some decent support in the ruck and if we got beat up by the Box Hill Hawks by 43 points we cant have had too many good players in the magoos practice game.
Looked at the Hawks team and its not exactly a big name outfit.....
....and people want to drop dow, setterfield and casboult.
Yep, I'll put my hand up. Haven't heard of anyone other than Silvagni not being available for next week, but even if Gibbons and Plowman join the injury list, I'd be more than happy to drop the non-contributors. They are just not giving us anything.
Rather try someone who is willing to have a go.
...............................and if we got beat up by the Box Hill Hawks by 43 points we cant have had too many good players in the magoos practice game.
Looked at the Hawks team and its not exactly a big name outfit.....
That's a good point EB, and another thing that got me a little down. The VFL proper hasn't yet started, but if you want sustained success, the 2nd's team needs to be about the mark. Apart from the fact that we lost by 7 goals, 144-101 sounds like end to end bruise free footy. I really hope we can be very competitive in the 2nds.
If we play like this next week, we're toast.
We have a very annoying habit of playing at the same level as our opponents - not so bad when the other side is good, but awful when they are strugglers.
I'm hoping a big home crowd will make a difference.
We have a very annoying habit of playing at the same level as our opponents - not so bad when the other side is good, but awful when they are strugglers.
We are satisfied and happy to compete and win, but we do not want to destroy anybody, we don't put teams away.
That's a good point EB, and another thing that got me a little down. The VFL proper hasn't yet started, but if you want sustained success, the 2nd's team needs to be about the mark. Apart from the fact that we lost by 7 goals, 144-101 sounds like end to end bruise free footy. I really hope we can be very competitive in the 2nds.
We were in front by a kick (like 93-91) at one stage, then lost by 7 goals...... i believe there was a wind, but that is very odd
Dow and Setterfield need to be dropped. Just a stat to show how woefully out of form they both are. Kennedy in the 10 ish minutes had more meters gained that both Dow and Setterfield combined and I think from memory he had more tackles too.
I'm not saying they should be taken out the back and shot, but both are out of form and need to find it, which should be done in the twos. Get them both getting first touch in the centre bounce then dominate opposition, get the feel for the game, then after 3-4 games of that get the hopefully inform players back into the senior team, that's what the VFL is for.
Silvagni - Kennedy
Dow - Stocker
Setterfield - Williams (if fit) if not Owies and more mid time for Fogarty.
We are lacking midfield rotation lets bring in mids who are inform.
Casboult plays cause we need a second ruck. McGovern gets another run in the twos to get game touch.
We might lose Gibbons from concussion.
Gibbons can't possibly have concussion, Christian decided that Harbrow's bump was a figment of our collective imaginations.
We should be sending him footage of the Williams bump and asking for an explanation >:(
If we pick Paddy Dow again this week i'm going to need a bucket...he's playing like a Geelong Grammar public school boy and we
wasted pick 3 on him and also O'Brien at 10 same school,,WTF? remember Billy Smedts..ex captain of Geelong Grammar...when will we learn.....
Gotta pick more guys like the Rock Lobster 46...see how he's gone since I called for his in 3 weeks ago?
Pretty dammed good on the wing..plays with heart and chases hard
Parks same...goes hard...we need more guys with a hard edge like these blokes...not pretty private school boys
If we pick Paddy Dow again this week i'm going to need a bucket...he's playing like a Geelong Grammar public school boy and we
wasted pick 3 on him and also O'Brien at 10 same school,,WTF? remember Billy Smedts..ex captain of Geelong Grammar...when will we learn.....
Gotta pick more guys like the Rock Lobster 46...see how he's gone since I called for his in 3 weeks ago?
Pretty dammed good on the wing..plays with heart and chases hard
Parks same...goes hard...we need more guys with a hard edge like these blokes...not pretty private school boys
Dow isnt soft he just has trouble with his decision making and execution of skills at this level. The game is probably quicker than when he started and his confidence in his ability looks worse than ever.
Agree on Cottrell and Parks, not super talented but know their limitations and know they have to work harder than more talented players to make it and really stand out in terms of doing the team stuff.
Obrien to me is already stamped and marked for trade or delist.
I see ZERO benefit - to Dow or the team - in continuing to pick Dow in the 1s.
He's lost.
And he's certainly keeping others out of the 22 who will almost certainly have a far bigger impact on team success presently.
Setters is little different but has done more at times.
Teague needs to be smart. Not ultra conservative.
Dow may still come good, but getting 8 touches every week simply is unacceptable in the role he performs.
I see ZERO benefit - to Dow or the team - in continuing to pick Dow in the 1s.
He's lost.
And he's certainly keeping others out of the 22 who will almost certainly have a far bigger impact on team success presently.
Setters is little different but has done more at times.
Teague needs to be smart. Not ultra conservative.
Dow may still come good, but getting 8 touches every week simply is unacceptable in the role he performs.
No being a smart ass here, but what is that role? That is, how do we know what role the coaches are asking him to play? If he keeps getting picked, he may be meeting those requirements. Just saying.
No being a smart ass here, but what is that role? That is, how do we know what role the coaches are asking him to play? If he keeps getting picked, he may be meeting those requirements. Just saying.
I was going to ask the same thing. I couldn't even tell you what position he's playing.
Also some players in the team have to have less of the ball than others.
No being a smart ass here, but what is that role? That is, how do we know what role the coaches are asking him to play? If he keeps getting picked, he may be meeting those requirements. Just saying.
If you can't work it out, isn't that a problem in itself?
If you can't work it out, isn't that a problem in itself?
Dow has been following opponents into stoppage quite a lot, so I presume they have him learning the ropes via tagging. But I worry if that is true his tackling stats are somewhat underwhelming.
I thought for a time last weekend he rotated with Fogarty for on ball sessions, and Fogarty had 3x as many tackles.
Last weekend was probably not a good example for the kids, as it was the older heads that stood out for sure ball handling in greasy conditions, and SPS did quite well also. Dow is fumbling so much he loses any breakaway advantage he has.
Dow has been following opponents into stoppage quite a lot, so I presume they have him learning the ropes via tagging. But I worry if that is true his tackling stats are somewhat underwhelming.
I thought for a time last weekend he rotated with Fogarty for on ball sessions, and Fogarty had 3x as many tackles.
Last weekend was probably not a good example for the kids, as it was the older heads that stood out for sure ball handling in greasy conditions, and SPS did quite well also. Dow is fumbling so much he loses any breakaway advantage he has.
Dow seems to be very much an apprentice/understudy mid and is probably 3rd or 4th banana as an inside mid from what I can tell atm. Hopefully he is learning and will improve this year.
Hi Sorry if silly question...
Do we need to stil order tickets through tickemaster this week? Even if you have your own seat?
No being a smart ass here, but what is that role? That is, how do we know what role the coaches are asking him to play? If he keeps getting picked, he may be meeting those requirements. Just saying.
Good point G2C.
For all we know, Dow may be meeting his KPIs and more.
The slippery conditions affected most players and some more than others. Dow seemed to be having a crack but was often not in a position from where he could get involved. Was that bad luck, poor reading of the play, or following instructions?
Hi Sorry if silly question...
Do we need to stil order tickets through tickemaster this week? Even if you have your own seat?
Yep, same routine....club sends you an email....
If you can't work it out, isn't that a problem in itself?
Not really as I'm not a coach or present in their team meetings.
No being a smart ass here, but what is that role? That is, how do we know what role the coaches are asking him to play? If he keeps getting picked, he may be meeting those requirements. Just saying.
Some were critizing setterfield last year when his numbers dropped. People didn't realise he was tagging and/or playing as a back pocket.
But he was doing his job.
It's like people complaining about parks' output. His role is not to get 20 touches but to stop his opponent getting the ball..... but it's easy to see him performing his role as he starts in the backline
Dow seems to be very much an apprentice/understudy mid and is probably 3rd or 4th banana as an inside mid from what I can tell atm. Hopefully he is learning and will improve this year.
Other than freaks like Walsh, not many newbies go straight into the midfield and have immediate effect. We have to think in the long term as much as short, and it's not like there are too many alternatives lining up at the door. And we don't really know exactly what the coach is expecting of him - if he is using him more for a negative role to improve the defensive side of his game, for example.
Port by 4 goals.
For whatever reason, I am more confident this week than last week.
For whatever reason, I am more confident this week than last week.
Are you drunk?
You could make an argument for it...
We should come ready to play...
I'm looking forward to the game because it's probably the best indicator we've seen this year as to where we actually fit in the scheme of things
Are you drunk?
I have some confidence as we seem to play to the standard of the opposition whether we win or lose. Hidings we just don't cop these days no matter who we play. We are always in games. We are a tough game for every top side.
Sometimes playing to the standard of low clubs see some odd face palming losses. Hence with Carlton, playing lower clubs makes me more nervous...haha.
Weitering and Jones have been in ripping form recently, so hopefully they can keep Dixon on a leash. Their small forwards (Rozee, Fantasia, Gray) will be bigger challenges IMO. I read that the first two are likely starters, despite minor injury concerns.
I'm not too confident in the midfield. You don't want to see good players out of the game, but one good thing for us that Powell Pepper is unlikely to be available. If Lycett and Ladhams work together they will give Pittonet a right royal going over. The 2nd ruck will be irrelevant.
My 2 cents.
We seem to be choosing a side out of the blokes most not injured these days.
We can be stoic, and so long as we compete well im happy but that equation doesn't result in knocking off teams looking like they'll finish top 4 unless they too have an off night.
I have some confidence as we seem to play to the standard of the opposition whether we win or lose. Hidings we just don't cop these days no matter who we play. We are always in games. We are a tough game for every top side.
Sometimes playing to the standard of low clubs see some odd face palming losses. Hence with Carlton, playing lower clubs makes me more nervous...haha.
Sure, you can play to a higher standard.....still gotta win though.
We play to a higher standard when we play the tigers....when was the last time we won though?
Port are a little different, being in Melbourne is a start....being at the MCG is a bonus.
But....this is a team that just beat the Tigers....and flogged North and the bombers. Only loss was against the Eagles over there....which is no shame.
Port are tougher than people think. They did finish on top of the ladder last year.
We seem to be choosing a side out of the blokes most not injured these days.
We can be stoic, and so long as we compete well im happy but that equation doesn't result in knocking off teams looking like they'll finish top 4 unless they too have an off night.
Exactly why i was so 'negative' going into the tigers game and somewhat similar now.
Coming up against a good side, in good form...and us with half a list to choose from. Where are people getting this confidence from? We've had a couple of good games against 2 teams who currently sit with North in the bottom 3 of the ladder.
Are you drunk?
We play better against top opposition. Who gave us a chance at KP v Geel last year? If not for some lapses of concentration, we were in it up to our ears v Rich in rnd 1.
We seem to be choosing a side out of the blokes most not injured these days.
We can be stoic, and so long as we compete well im happy but that equation doesn't result in knocking off teams looking like they'll finish top 4 unless they too have an off night.
Port may well think they just need to turn up, collect 4 pts and go home. I really hope that's the case and we can use that to our advantage. Smug Kents like Rozee symbolise PA, he/they need to be taught a lesson. We have shown that when we bring it, we can beat anyone. Our problem is we don't bring it often enough, so that's the challenge. Its at the G, not the basketball stadium so that's a start. It should be dry Sat night so weather shouldn't be a factor, although wind might be. Here's hoping.
Wanna see the side first ... we're a "maybe" but it's 58/42 their way atm. Yes, I'm particular
Port are not as good away from home and have plenty of banged up players. They have Dixon who we cant stop with one player but maybe contain with a double team and a player filling the hole in front of him...volunteers?
They will probably win the ruck but as last week showed thats doesnt make much difference, GC mids were all over us regardless of having no ruckman. If we are ever going to beat Port its this week given they had a very tough game and will lose players to injury.
Hoping Port are suffering a let down and we can sneak a win...
Blues by 5 points in a shock win, Robbie Gray to kick for the match and miss this time... ;)
Port are not as good away from home and have plenty of banged up players. They have Dixon who we cant stop with one player but maybe contain with a double team and a player filling the hole in front of him...volunteers?
They will probably win the ruck but as last week showed thats doesnt make much difference, GC mids were all over us regardless of having no ruckman. If we are ever going to beat Port its this week given they had a very tough game and will lose players to injury.
Hoping Port are suffering a let down and we can sneak a win...
Blues by 5 points in a shock win, Robbie Gray to kick for the match and miss this time... ;)
They have also lost Butters and Dursma? Smug fark Rose also a test.
Port are not as good away from home and have plenty of banged up players. They have Dixon who we cant stop with one player but maybe contain with a double team and a player filling the hole in front of him...volunteers?
They will probably win the ruck but as last week showed thats doesnt make much difference, GC mids were all over us regardless of having no ruckman. If we are ever going to beat Port its this week given they had a very tough game and will lose players to injury.
Hoping Port are suffering a let down and we can sneak a win...
Blues by 5 points in a shock win, Robbie Gray to kick for the match and miss this time... ;)
And we're a 5 goal better side at the G compared to away or even Marvel.
Weather a non issue.
William's return a huge boost for us.
Without Butters, Duursma, SPP and a few others proppy, we have to be a real chance!
And we're a 5 goal better side at the G compared to away or even Marvel.
Weather a non issue.
William's return a huge boost for us.
Without Butters, Duursma, SPP and a few others proppy, we have to be a real chance!
Problem is we've been in this position so many times before and come up short. Would be nice to actually deliver one day.
Sadly after 5 years in a rebuild we are still having to get a massive game from Cripps to beat any of the top teams. We have the bottom 4 covered but against the stronger teams our midfield is still too shallow if Cripps is held. Walsh is a star and haven't seen enough of Williams yet in the middle to be convinced he is a A grade midfielder.
Forget the notion of Cripps being just as damaging as a forward as its not going to happen.
This game will be won and lost in the midfield so need Williams playing and must have Cripps getting off the lease to have a chance of walking away with win IMO.
Mark my words If Cripps is not in the votes on Brownlow night we wont win. EOS.
Sure, you can play to a higher standard.....still gotta win though.
We play to a higher standard when we play the tigers....when was the last time we won though?
Port are a little different, being in Melbourne is a start....being at the MCG is a bonus.
But....this is a team that just beat the Tigers....and flogged North and the bombers. Only loss was against the Eagles over there....which is no shame.
Port are tougher than people think. They did finish on top of the ladder last year.
Basically saying not to use our effort against the GC as a guide to our ability but, yes, the winning part would be quite useful. We were ahead of them last year when the siren went, just a pity about the part a few seconds after the siren. Not long after we had beaten Geelong at Geelong. So we can rise and beat such sides. Just hope we can do it again. 3-2 and a win over the probable flag favourites would be big.
Sadly after 5 years in a rebuild we are still having to get a massive game from Cripps to beat any of the top teams. We have the bottom 4 covered but against the stronger teams our midfield is still too shallow if Cripps is held. Walsh is a star and haven't seen enough of Williams yet in the middle to be convinced he is a A grade midfielder.
Forget the notion of Cripps being just as damaging as a forward as its not going to happen.
This game will be won and lost in the midfield so need Williams playing and must have Cripps getting off the lease to have a chance of walking away with win IMO.
Mark my words If Cripps is not in the votes on Brownlow night we wont win. EOS.
Cripps was pretty ordinary in the Port game last year and we were in front on the final siren (pity about the scoreboard about 20 sec after).
As soon as I start thinking we are a chance to win a game like this, it ends up being disappointing.
I would rather declare that we have a snowflake's hope in hell, with a view to being greatly surprised......
As soon as I start thinking we are a chance to win a game like this, it ends up being disappointing.
I would rather declare that we have a snowflake's hope in hell, with a view to being greatly surprised......
Hope for the best, expect the worst. Totally understand.
We are absolutely 'capable' of winning this game, we simply (!!!!) need to bring our best 4 qtrs... something we're not very good at.
Hope for the best, expect the worst. Totally understand.
We are absolutely 'capable' of winning this game, we simply (!!!!) need to bring our best 4 qtrs... something we're not very good at.
If we play our best footy from the opening bounce until the final siren, we are more than capable of beating any team in the comp. The problem is that we often start slowly, have lapses during the game, rarely play without passengers, don't plan to stop the opposition's best players and are slow to counter opposition tactics.
If we can address those issues, we should win by three goals 🤞
If we play our best footy from the opening bounce until the final siren, we are more than capable of beating any team in the comp. The problem is that we often start slowly, have lapses during the game, rarely play without passengers, don't plan to stop the opposition's best players and are slow to counter opposition tactics.
If we can address those issues, we should win by three goals 🤞
BANG!
If we play our best footy from the opening bounce until the final siren, we are more than capable of beating any team in the comp. The problem is that we often start slowly, have lapses during the game, rarely play without passengers, don't plan to stop the opposition's best players and are slow to counter opposition tactics.
If we can address those issues, we should win by three goals 🤞
And there you have it. Totally deserved the
huge font from GTC. I also confess to a belly laugh at your final line. Yep, 3 goal win, or more, just as long as we................................
And there you have it. Totally deserved the huge font from GTC. I also confess to a belly laugh at your final line. Yep, 3 goal win, or more, just as long as we................................
There's no reason why we can't win Baggers. In fact, we should win ... but it will take more than Elon Musk's satellites lining up for that to happen.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/14/blues-forward-right-in-the-mix-to-return-this-weekend/
Potential ins for the Port game : McGovern, Williams. The wording of the article doesn't make it clear whether Stocker is a good chance or not.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/14/blues-forward-right-in-the-mix-to-return-this-weekend/
Potential ins for the Port game : McGovern, Williams. The wording of the article doesn't make it clear whether Stocker is a good chance or not.
Makes sense McG for SOJ, but who comes out for Williams? Dow? I fear it may be Cottrell, which I think would be unfair. Don't think Stocker will be risked for this one. And remember, our selection committee is extremely conservative... unless desperate or injuries force their hands.
Makes sense McG for SOJ, but who comes out for Williams? Dow? I fear it may be Cottrell, which I think would be unfair. Don't think Stocker will be risked for this one. And remember, our selection committee is extremely conservative... unless desperate or injuries force their hands.
I think we might find McGovern in for SoJ, and Williams in for Gibbons who was hobbling a bit towards the end.
A lot might depend on Plowman, if he is out I can well see McGovern getting a D50 role curtail Dixon, and as such with three relatively mobile KPPs you keep one of Jones, McGovern and Weitering free to intercept.
Late to the party.....our coastline smashed by a cyclone on Sunday night....including up around Cripps' family farming area...been without power for 3 days!!!
Like most, want to see Dow make it but at the moment he's struggling full stop and really not contributing anything. Needs a run of half a dozen games in the VFL to just find the footy.
Have said on more than one occasion this year that Setterfield has been terrible and not sure why he was an automatic inclusion last week.
Assuming Williams is fit and no other injuries than what we already know about:
IN: Kennedy, Williams, McGovern (with trepidation)
OUT: Dow, Silvagni, Setterfield
We don't really lose any pace with Williams coming in, McGovern taking JSOS' place and McGovern giving a bit of support for McKay with Levi back up in the ruck. Casboult's form is average but he needs to play while TDK is still out.
IN: Kennedy, Williams, McGovern (with trepidation)
OUT: Dow, Silvagni, Setterfield
I doubt we drop both Dow and Setterfield, you're basically loading up the pain on Cripps and Walsh against a strongish opposition midfield. As much as they haven't great form, Setterfield and Dow have big enough bodies.
Despite having a good game, I wouldn't be surprised to find Ed on the outer, with Setterfield retained as another option to cover for Plowman if Plowman isn't 100%.
I've noticed a couple of other AFL coaches going horses for courses under these new rules, we haven't yet but I think that it's just a matter of time.
I don't know enough about the replacements for Ports kids to get a bead on the direction to go in. Will they be faster/slower, bigger/smaller, etc., etc..
I doubt we drop both Dow and Setterfield, you're basically loading up the pain on Cripps and Walsh against a strongish opposition midfield. As much as they haven't great form, Setterfield and Dow have big enough bodies.
Despite having a good game, I wouldn't be surprised to find Ed on the outer, with Setterfield retained as another option to cover for Plowman if Plowman isn't 100%.
I've noticed a couple of other AFL coaches going horses for courses under these new rules, we haven't yet but I think that it's just a matter of time.
I don't know enough about the replacements for Ports kids to get a bead on the direction to go in. Will they be faster/slower, bigger/smaller, etc., etc..
Think Rockliff will come back in for Port, agree with Dow and Setterfield playing, dont see both being dropped, maybe Dow might.
I'd say Setterfield is safe for this week...
Kennedy and Williams surely can cover for Dow and Setterfield? Kennedy isn't quick but that bigger body in the middle. I'd also be looking at Stocker as an option on one of their smaller forwards.
Yeah Cap...we're about 90 minutes south of Kalbarri which is the town that's nearly been wiped off the face of the earth....70% of the buildings damaged. About the only saving grace is the rainfall for the farmers who are about to start seeding....the timing is perfect.
Makes sense McG for SOJ, but who comes out for Williams? Dow? I fear it may be Cottrell, which I think would be unfair. Don't think Stocker will be risked for this one. And remember, our selection committee is extremely conservative... unless desperate or injuries force their hands.
I'm not so sure about that Baggers. I think that there's certainly an element of risk aversion, but there's also a fair whack of political awareness in the sense of playing high profile trade-ins and milestone players when their form/fitness may not merit selection ... or am I being too cynical?
I'm not so sure about that Baggers. I think that there's certainly an element of risk aversion, but there's also a fair whack of political awareness in the sense of playing high profile trade-ins and milestone players when their form/fitness may not merit selection ... or am I being too cynical?
Big game, think they will roll the dice on McGovern, bring Williams back in and maybe drop Dow.
Port are down some soldiers and also sore, we wont get a better chance IMO to knock them over than now.
Lose this and then lose to the traditional enemy in Essendon and we will be 2-4 down, and back in the shizen stuff.
I share your cynical views on selection , this is crunch time coming up where a coach probably has until mid year to be on the positive side of the ledger or be worried when the CEO says he is going to lunch early with a new business partner and will have his mobile off....
Lose this and then lose to the traditional enemy in Essendon and we will be 2-4 down, and back in the shizen stuff.
We've actually got Brisbane after port EB, so we could be 2-4 down even before we play Essenscum. :'(
We've actually got Brisbane after port EB, so we could be 2-4 down even before we play Essenscum. :'(
I'm the other way, looking at 4-2.
We've actually got Brisbane after port EB, so we could be 2-4 down even before we play Essenscum. :'(
Cheers Rocky, got my fixture around the wrong way, probably even tougher given Brisbane are are probably going to strike form soon ....
I'm the other way, looking at 4-2.
Jim, I could see you on the Titanic telling the passengers it was a couple of degrees warmer than yesterday and not to worry as they jumped in the icy waters..😉😎..I'd be happy with 3-3 and Essendon to come...
Jim, I could see you on the Titanic telling the passengers it was a couple of degrees warmer than yesterday and not to worry as they jumped in the icy waters..😉😎..I'd be happy with 3-3 and Essendon to come...
Jim is the Black Knight.
"its just a flesh wound..."
Jim, I could see you on the Titanic telling the passengers it was a couple of degrees warmer than yesterday and not to worry as they jumped in the icy waters..😉😎..I'd be happy with 3-3 and Essendon to come...
Get past this game and I reckon we can beat Brisbane. Carlton being Carlton, likely to win these 2 then lose to .Essendon. Would be happy with 3-3.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/911131/teague-we-need-to-be-up-for-the-challenge?fbclid=IwAR3BuN1dyVM9UWB5-D944vemSsca3Dzo3iY55bKNbw0_CFune536rPage5A
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/911131/teague-we-need-to-be-up-for-the-challenge?fbclid=IwAR3BuN1dyVM9UWB5-D944vemSsca3Dzo3iY55bKNbw0_CFune536rPage5A
No David, we need to win EOS. Being up for the challenge is a gimme, its a non negotiable that goes without saying.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/16/why-a-pass-mark-isnt-good-enough-for-carlton-anymore/
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/16/why-a-pass-mark-isnt-good-enough-for-carlton-anymore/
Yep
wow teague going 50 c each way with his comments ,bullsh...t MUST win game and that is how you say thanks to 80 k members
wow teague going 50 c each way with his comments ,bullsh...t MUST win game and that is how you say thanks to 80 k members
Not a must win yet. If the flag favourite plays to their very best form not often the side 8th will beat them. Fact of life, actually in any sport. Fortunately not always the way it is as performance can be variable week to week in a 22 game season . I don't mind. If we play our way we'll win more often than not. Focus on your processes and let the outcome look after itself, which is essentially what he is saying. Won't always result in a win on a given day but eventually you will have your day.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/16/why-a-pass-mark-isnt-good-enough-for-carlton-anymore/
If we were to lose tomorrow by falling 7 goals behind but losing by one i'd be really pissed off I must admit, even against they flag favourites. Means we haven't learnt anything. If we go hammer and tongs and lose by a few points though, like against them last year, i'll be frustrated but not disappointed.
So far this year our effort against Richmond was a very good one, kicking to hit the front with a few min to go, Freo terrific, Gold Coast, yeah, not bad, a win, lifted when it mattered, but that's about it but i'll take that over the terrific game against the Tigers. 3 out of 4 games we have seen some good stuff. If we keep seeing that we will win more than we lose. As long as we don't see the round 2 effort.
wow teague going 50 c each way with his comments ,bullsh...t MUST win game and that is how you say thanks to 80 k members
Why is it a must win game?
We MUST beat the team that finished on top of the ladder last year, with an injury list in double figures, when we are sitting at 2-2 (in the 8) with plenty of games left in the season.
Why is THIS week a must win?
....because we have 80k members? Are we going to have them next week.....and the week after....and every other game this year! Is every week a must win game??
People are really losing their grip on reality with Teague/Port at the moment.
Why is it a must win game?
We MUST beat the team that finished on top of the ladder last year, with an injury list in double figures, when we are sitting at 2-2 (in the 8) with plenty of games left in the season.
Why is THIS week a must win?
....because we have 80k members? Are we going to have them next week.....and the week after....and every other game this year! Is every week a must win game??
People are really losing their grip on reality with Teague/Port at the moment.
That makes sense Kruddler. However, every game should be a must win game for us, regardless of the opposition. Saying that we must be "in the game" is not good enough.
Rather than his usual bland, two bob each way stuff, Teague's message should have been:
"These are the games that we need to stand up in," Teague said on Thursday.
"We played quite well against them last year ... we know they're a good side, but we're a better side than we were last year.
"It's progression. We want to win these games. We showed last year we can compete with anyone and our next challenge is to get a win over Port.
"They're the games you've got to be able to win."
Teague admitted he was a fan of the style of Port, who sit fourth, ahead of the Blues in seventh with two wins and two losses to open the year.
"They're a great team. They're a team I enjoy watching play and the way they play. The challenge for our group is to play better footy than Port and I am confident that we will do that."
I would think that people are actually wondering whether we have improved as a team?
We were that close last year against Port, not unreasonable to expect a better result against a banged up team (post the brutal Tigers game). And people are afraid we'll produce a Pies game style choke. Because that's what it was....
If Williams is back - and no doubt well rested - our midfield (minus TDK granted) is at full strength. Short of Martin too.
That's where games are inevitably won or lost...
Go Blues.
Blues by 16.
In Gov Kennedy Willo Willams
Out Parks (hammy) SOS (severed arm) Dow Setters (both omitted)
How on earth does Williamson get a game before Kennedy? Can only think there's a fitness doubt on Saad who looked proppy towards the end of last week. Kennedy would be handy in the middle against blokes like Wines, Boak etc.
Ooops...my bad, didn't realise Parks was out!!!
In Gov Kennedy Willo Willams
Out Parks (hammy) SOS (severed arm) Dow Setters (both omitted)
Now we're talkin'.
Ladhams out for Port. This will help Pittonet. Good for us.
Matt Kennedy's 50th.
Even with all their outs, that Port team looks pretty decent.
In Gov Kennedy Willo Willams
Out Parks (hammy) SOS (severed arm) Dow Setters (both omitted)
Severed arm....lol!
Now we're talkin'.
Yeah, Willo had want to show some intent though, as must Zac.
From the last time we missed out beating this mob by a kick after the siren, there are 4 personnel changes...
Gone: Simpson, Martín, Stetters, Cunningham
Included: Saad, Williams, Contrell, Fogarty.
I think we’ve improved the team from last time....
Round 5 team
Backs:
Sam Docherty Liam Jones Sam Petrevski-Seton
Half-backs:
Lachie Plowman Jacob Weitering Adam Saad
Centreline:
Matthew Cottrell Patrick Cripps Sam Walsh
Half-forwards:
Lachie Fogarty Mitch McGovern Marc Murphy
Forwards:
Michael Gibbons Harry McKay Levi Casboult
Followers:
Marc Pittonet Ed Curnow Zac Williams
Interchange:
Jack Newnes Eddie Betts Matthew Kennedy Tom Williamson
Emergencies:
David Cuningham Paddy Dow Matthew Owies Will Setterfield
Would still like Martin out there though....not huge possession winner but hits the ball and the man hard....we'll need that against Port.
Severed arm....lol!
Still got one arm, man up son whats the problem....
Didnt think we would drop Setterfield...
Severed arm....lol!
As i said the other day..."Its just a flesh wound"
About time Teague manned up and dropped a few sacred cows, alarmed that the perennial underachiever is back after two halves of 2's footy. Needed to earn it a bit more than that.
Still got one arm, man up son whats the problem....
Didnt think we would drop Setterfield...
I was surprised he came back in last week ahead of MK. I didn't think they'd drop Dow, I guess they had to lose patience eventually. Clearly there weren't any mysterious KPIs he was meeting, they were just giving him every chance to play well.
I was surprised he came back in last week ahead of MK. I didn't think they'd drop Dow, I guess they had to lose patience eventually. Clearly there weren't any mysterious KPIs he was meeting, they were just giving him every chance to play well.
Agree...think Dow was being given games to develop and being carried but this week is a crunch week and
we need our best on the park. Some fair ins and I cant complain about the balance of the team.
Agree...think Dow was being given games to develop and being carried but this week is a crunch week and
we need our best on the park. Some fair ins and I cant complain about the balance of the team.
Only one thing left to do, go out and do the business Blues.
Only one thing left to do, go out and do the business Blues.
Look at the Port ins too....Woodcock and Bergman along with Marshall...two inexperienced kids, it wont get any easier than this IMO.
Look at the Port ins too....Woodcock and Bergman along with Marshall...two inexperienced kids, it wont get any easier than this IMO.
Full strength or weakened, shouldn't matter in my opinion. The attitude should be the same, thinking about them being weaker only breeds complacency.
Disappointed we didn't persist with Dow, but at least Setterfield wasn't saved. Levi has to be on his last chance, surely. Glad Kennedy gets a crack.
Go Blues
Emergencies: David Cuningham, Paddy Dow, Matthew Owies, Will Setterfield
An interesting set of Emergencies. All mid/forwards. Set up for the conditions?
To be honest, I hope they all play in the VFL.
An interesting set of Emergencies. All mid/forwards. Set up for the conditions?
To be honest, I hope they all play in the VFL.
Cuners, Owies and Setters names in the 2s. Not Paddy though.
Cuners, Owies and Setters names in the 2s. Not Paddy though.
He'll probably be at the MCG. He is the 'travelling emergency'.
He'll probably be at the MCG. He is the 'travelling emergency'.
No such thing, upgraded to Sub now.
Gets a game to his tally for his efforts too
Cuners, Owies and Setters names in the 2s. Not Paddy though.
Could be a good sub - come on when the heat is out of the game, may have slowed enough for him to be effective??
Disappointed we didn't persist with Dow, but at least Setterfield wasn't saved. Levi has to be on his last chance, surely. Glad Kennedy gets a crack.
Go Blues
Levi's in as he is the 2nd ruck for that reason he'll stay in the side despite his form. Hopefully we use McGovern as a key position focal point so Levi can focus as a 2nd ruck rather that being relied upon to kick goals. He came into the season underdone and has struggled so that might be best for him.
I'm not unhappy with that 22.
McGovern is lucky to get a game and he needs to make the most of this opportunity.
Kennedy did enough in his cameo last week to demand a spot and it will be interesting to see if he can back up. On past performances, he rarely strings together two decent games. A good game from him on Saturday night could be a key factor in our fortunes and his career. Hopefully, he will be at his very best.
Dow and Setterfield are both a bit stiff to be dropped but they should take heart from being named as emergencies. Good efforts in the VFL should have them on contention again.
Willo was dominant in our VFL practice match, as an AFL player should be. He is lucky that Parks twinged a hammy and he needs to take full advantage of his opportunity. I'm expecting solid defence and a bit of mongrel.
I'm not unhappy with that 22.
McGovern is lucky to get a game and he needs to make the most of this opportunity.
Kennedy did enough in his cameo last week to demand a spot and it will be interesting to see if he can back up. On past performances, he rarely strings together two decent games. A good game from him on Saturday night could be a key factor in our fortunes and his career. Hopefully, he will be at his very best.
Dow and Setterfield are both a bit stiff to be dropped but they should take heart from being named as emergencies. Good efforts in the VFL should have them on contention again.
Willo was dominant in our VFL practice match, as an AFL player should be. He is lucky that Parks twinged a hammy and he needs to take full advantage of his opportunity. I'm expecting solid defence and a bit of mongrel.
a bit stiff to be dropped?
Both seem to be struggling with the 2021 format of the game. Its a bit quicker and they both are not really giving us as much as we would like and maybe a vfl game to find the footy and build some form is warranted.
With Dow, Cunners, Owies and Setterfield as emergencies, we need to hold TWO over at the ground. One will definitely be used as the sub and one needs to be there as a genuine emergency in case something happens in the warm up etc....
Time for the Guv to stand up and be counted.....
a bit stiff to be dropped?
Both seem to be struggling with the 2021 format of the game. Its a bit quicker and they both are not really giving us as much as we would like and maybe a vfl game to find the footy and build some form is warranted.
Absolutely stiff to be dropped!
Setterfield was one of our better players in the pre-season games and he did well against the Tigers. With a bit of luck, he could have kicked 2 goals and the result may have been quite different. He had a poor game against Collingwood, but he wasn't Robinson Crusoe. He then missed the game against Freo and prudent team selection would have had him coming back through the twos. Of course, he was rushed straight back for the Gold Coast game and, although he played a reasonable game, someone has to make way for Williams.
Dow is another one who played well in the pre-season games and did well against the Tigers and was unlucky not to add to his one goal. His form in the next three games wasn't great but he has laid more tackles than most of his teammates.
Williams had to come into the side and one of Dow and Setterfield are the obvious ones to make way for him. That doesn't mean that they're not stiff to miss out.
I'm not convinced that Kennedy is an improvement over Dow or Setterfield. He has done well in his cameo appearances as a lead up forward but disappoints as a midfielder. He probably deserves a game but we can't afford a low possession game from him.
Absolutely stiff to be dropped!
Setterfield was one of our better players in the pre-season games and he did well against the Tigers. With a bit of luck, he could have kicked 2 goals and the result may have been quite different. He had a poor game against Collingwood, but he wasn't Robinson Crusoe. He then missed the game against Freo and prudent team selection would have had him coming back through the twos. Of course, he was rushed straight back for the Gold Coast game and, although he played a reasonable game, someone has to make way for Williams.
Dow is another one who played well in the pre-season games and did well against the Tigers and was unlucky not to add to his one goal. His form in the next three games wasn't great but he has laid more tackles than most of his teammates.
Williams had to come into the side and one of Dow and Setterfield are the obvious ones to make way for him. That doesn't mean that they're not stiff to miss out.
I'm not convinced that Kennedy is an improvement over Dow or Setterfield. He has done well in his cameo appearances as a lead up forward but disappoints as a midfielder. He probably deserves a game but we can't afford a low possession game from him.
You're kidding right?
Absolutely stiff to be dropped!
Setterfield was one of our better players in the pre-season games and he did well against the Tigers. With a bit of luck, he could have kicked 2 goals and the result may have been quite different. He had a poor game against Collingwood, but he wasn't Robinson Crusoe. He then missed the game against Freo and prudent team selection would have had him coming back through the twos. Of course, he was rushed straight back for the Gold Coast game and, although he played a reasonable game, someone has to make way for Williams.
Dow is another one who played well in the pre-season games and did well against the Tigers and was unlucky not to add to his one goal. His form in the next three games wasn't great but he has laid more tackles than most of his teammates.
Williams had to come into the side and one of Dow and Setterfield are the obvious ones to make way for him. That doesn't mean that they're not stiff to miss out.
I'm not convinced that Kennedy is an improvement over Dow or Setterfield. He has done well in his cameo appearances as a lead up forward but disappoints as a midfielder. He probably deserves a game but we can't afford a low possession game from him.
I don't know about "unlucky to be dropped", the coaches have seen something that has caused concerns, many here and other sites have also been vocal about Setter's form in all the games this year. To me, Dow at least looks like he is having a crack or displays some urgency, I can't say the same for young Wil. Interesting how we see things differently though. What's important now is that the 22 that run out tonight get the job done.
You're kidding right?
Agree, he is a very good mid and is actually our only mid who can go forward, clunk a mark and be bloody reliable in front of goal.
I don't know about "unlucky to be dropped", the coaches have seen something that has caused concerns, many here and other sites have also been vocal about Setter's form in all the games this year. To me, Dow at least looks like he is having a crack or displays some urgency, I can't say the same for young Wil. Interesting how we see things differently though. What's important now is that the 22 that run out tonight get the job done.
Yep.
Perhaps we've become so accustomed to being where we are on the ladder that we're grateful for anything that looks like being okay or showing promise, and hence make excuses or look for any positives.
Yes, Dow looks like he's having a red hot dip, so we cut him slack... but at what cost to our potential success? Ultimately, he is not delivering and seems to have lost confidence - a few dominant games in the Magoos might be just what he needs.
Setters is almost the opposite. His vision and disposal by hand, especially, is really good and has resulted in many good links... but, that's it! Too one-dimensional. And really doesn't seem to want to impose himself on the contest with any physicality and that hurts our defensive efforts in particular.
So, IMHO, both Dow and Setters are very limited in what they can offer, at present. Both have much to learn... but will they? Maybe they're both just not quite AFL standard? Time will tell.
I hope this is a pattern for our selection committee... more ruthlessness - not delivering on expectations? Out you go. Harsh but needed if we are to become a finalist.
Absolutely stiff to be dropped!
Setterfield was one of our better players in the pre-season games and he did well against the Tigers. With a bit of luck, he could have kicked 2 goals and the result may have been quite different. He had a poor game against Collingwood, but he wasn't Robinson Crusoe. He then missed the game against Freo and prudent team selection would have had him coming back through the twos. Of course, he was rushed straight back for the Gold Coast game and, although he played a reasonable game, someone has to make way for Williams.
Dow is another one who played well in the pre-season games and did well against the Tigers and was unlucky not to add to his one goal. His form in the next three games wasn't great but he has laid more tackles than most of his teammates.
Williams had to come into the side and one of Dow and Setterfield are the obvious ones to make way for him. That doesn't mean that they're not stiff to miss out.
I'm not convinced that Kennedy is an improvement over Dow or Setterfield. He has done well in his cameo appearances as a lead up forward but disappoints as a midfielder. He probably deserves a game but we can't afford a low possession game from him.
Ok, so don't drop Dow and setters...
Who do you drop to bring in Williams and cover for injuries to Silvagni and parks?
Someone has to go....those 2 are most likely.
Setterfield, atm, is little more than a boat anchor.
Ok, so don't drop Dow and setters...
Who do you drop to bring in Williams and cover for injuries to Silvagni and parks?
Someone has to go....those 2 are most likely.
Makes me chuckle. When has Kennedy been given 2 or even 3 games to get form? Unlike Dow and Setters. They should have been dropped sooner. One is just not cutting it, repeatedly (Dow) and the other is a corralling seagull played in the wrong position (setters). I don’t care how great they looked pre season. This is the actual season and they need to perform when points are on offer, when the heat comes.
Kennedy is underrated. Good mark and accurate kicker, good attitude. Hope he kicks 2-3 to make the MC think twice about dropping performers, instead of playing favourites. Don’t perform? Off you go into our VFL team.
Understood, however I’m saying that we should persevere with him in the AFL. I think he’s close to a breakout game and is just getting stuck running to the wrong spots more often than not, which may be a result of not having much time on the ball over the past couple of years. Pretty sure that Dow will come good.
SPS is a good example of perseverance - he has been roundly criticised on this site for a lack of defensive ability/losing his forward (including by me) however he’s turned it around and is now playing a much stronger contested and assured brand of footy. Couldn’t be happier for him.
The difference between SPS/Dow and Setterfield is that the former two give their all and I can’t say the same at the moment for Setters, and a lack of effort should not be tolerated.
SPS needs to be tested vs teams better than Freo and GC. He can't be missing vs the top 6 teams and lighting it up vs the easy beats who don't apply the same pressure. That goes for any of our established players.. He should be at the same level as Saad who has that consistency that all the top small defenders have.
Absolutely stiff to be dropped!
Setterfield was one of our better players in the pre-season games and he did well against the Tigers. With a bit of luck, he could have kicked 2 goals and the result may have been quite different. He had a poor game against Collingwood, but he wasn't Robinson Crusoe. He then missed the game against Freo and prudent team selection would have had him coming back through the twos. Of course, he was rushed straight back for the Gold Coast game and, although he played a reasonable game, someone has to make way for Williams.
Dow is another one who played well in the pre-season games and did well against the Tigers and was unlucky not to add to his one goal. His form in the next three games wasn't great but he has laid more tackles than most of his teammates.
Williams had to come into the side and one of Dow and Setterfield are the obvious ones to make way for him. That doesn't mean that they're not stiff to miss out.
I'm not convinced that Kennedy is an improvement over Dow or Setterfield. He has done well in his cameo appearances as a lead up forward but disappoints as a midfielder. He probably deserves a game but we can't afford a low possession game from him.
Im all about rewarding effort.
Kennedy has been through a bit of a tough ride with us. He has hurt himself a few times, and come back, put his head down and been made to earn an opportunity and has done so with some very eyebrow raising performances that mean he can't be ignored.
He is not that limited, and he didn't earn the nickname bam bam for nothing and our team is going to need a bit of that tonight.
Dow is trying but is not really in good form. There is nothing wrong with getting back to build some form and confidence. Matt has been having a red hot go in the vfl. Two wrongs don't make a right. Setters and Dow got nowhere near the footy, and Levi is another who's fortunate to keep his spot. We need to really expose Kennedy now that his body is right and reward his VFL form and find out who out of settefield, Kennedy, and Dow are more likely to become 100 game players for us.
Liddle, Lloyd want results, they had Teague forced upon them by weight of results/media pressure but didnt really want him and have sacked SOS.
There is no turning back to hide behind the rebuild wall, players who get/have got 3-4 years on the list and who are not established are going to get chopped, there is no way the likes of Kennedy, Dow, LOB , Cuningham, Williamson etc are going to survive with our admin wanting instant success to justify their decisions if those players dont produce and help the club make finals.
If you are coming out of contract at years end and are not established then you are facing trading or the axe and that includes the coach, not even being a Top early pick like Dow will save you IMHO.
eg I'm a Matt Kennedy fan but the reality is he probably has till about mid year to be an established player or the football dept will turn to younger players and stamp his papers like LOB's have been stamped.
I could end up looking a bit silly after tonight's game.... but there was something about the way Kennedy carried himself last week that suggested to me he was feeling a lot more confident and ready to stake a big claim.
Be watching him closely tonight.
No matter how good or bad we go tonight. Worst player makes way for Stocker.
He has been banging on the door and he has finally had enough and Here's Johnny'd the door.
He plays next week.
No matter how good or bad we go tonight. Worst player makes way for Stocker.
He has been banging on the door and he has finally had enough and Here's Johnny'd the door.
He plays next week.
Yep
Must get a game next week.