Over the past 10-years, far too many players have been "gifted" games when they (a) have not genuinely earnt selection & (b) are not physically ready to play senior footy.
Based on the premise that we have just embarked on a three-year rebuild and realistically are no chance to win a premiership for some time yet, I'm hoping that the club also implements a selection policy to achieve greater results in the long-term.
There is nothing at all to be gained by dropping Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Cunningham & Silvagni in the deep end from Round 1 and leaving them there.
Let's face the reality of the situation, the gulf between U/18 football and AFL seniors is just too wide a gap for most young players to bridge. Most of these young players do not have the physical armour to protect themselves against players with 4-5 years worth of intense gym-work on their side. There is obviously the risk of injury plus the young players normally struggle to adapt to the tempo of senior footy as well.
We have just traded in Sumner, Lamb, Plowman, Phillips, Gorringe & Kerridge who have been in the AFL system for 3-4 years and are far more developed & ready to play senior football. They are the players that must be persisted with in 2016 on top of others like Jaksch, Graham, Whiley, Buckley, Boekhorst, Dick etc. They all need to be given the opportunity to play senior footy consistently because they are going to be under additional scrutiny going forward.
For the new kids, if they warrant selection, then by all means, give them a game against Melbourne or GWS etc, but make them earn it first. I don't want to see another situation like when Gibbs was placed in the leadership group before he had even played a game at the club.
Nurture these new guys in the seconds for a couple of years (let then play around 50-games in the VFL first) plus we will be adding another 3-4 newbies next year to join them in the seconds too. We also have Smith & Foster in need of some long-term development in the seconds as well.
We are all very excited about the latest draftees, let's not burn them out unnecessarily. Long-term strategy for sustained success, there is no hurry right now.
Who cares if we finish bottom four next year anyway, it opens us up to better draft picks next year as a bonus.
Rule 1: Selected side must contain a Silvagni
Rule 2: See Rule 1
Over the past 10-years, far too many players have been "gifted" games when they (a) have not genuinely earnt selection & (b) are not physically ready to play senior footy.
Based on the premise that we have just embarked on a three-year rebuild and realistically are no chance to win a premiership for some time yet, I'm hoping that the club also implements a selection policy to achieve greater results in the long-term.
There is nothing at all to be gained by dropping Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Cunningham & Silvagni in the deep end from Round 1 and leaving them there.
Let's face the reality of the situation, the gulf between U/18 football and AFL seniors is just too wide a gap for most young players to bridge. Most of these young players do not have the physical armour to protect themselves against players with 4-5 years worth of intense gym-work on their side. There is obviously the risk of injury plus the young players normally struggle to adapt to the tempo of senior footy as well.
We have just traded in Sumner, Lamb, Plowman, Phillips, Gorringe & Kerridge who have been in the AFL system for 3-4 years and are far more developed & ready to play senior football. They are the players that must be persisted with in 2016 on top of others like Jaksch, Graham, Whiley, Buckley, Boekhorst, Dick etc. They all need to be given the opportunity to play senior footy consistently because they are going to be under additional scrutiny going forward.
For the new kids, if they warrant selection, then by all means, give them a game against Melbourne or GWS etc, but make them earn it first. I don't want to see another situation like when Gibbs was placed in the leadership group before he had even played a game at the club.
Nurture these new guys in the seconds for a couple of years (let then play around 50-games in the VFL first) plus we will be adding another 3-4 newbies next year to join them in the seconds too. We also have Smith & Foster in need of some long-term development in the seconds as well.
We are all very excited about the latest draftees, let's not burn them out unnecessarily. Long-term strategy for sustained success, there is no hurry right now.
Who cares if we finish bottom four next year anyway, it opens us up to better draft picks next year as a bonus.
In the frame of reference that you make this post it's valid, but in reality Weitering has already played against seasoned AFL players and soundly beaten them. For example it's reported he stitched up both Watson and Jones in a pre-season game against NBs last year, when Jones was apparently in "Beast Mode", and it's reported he also got the better of Daw and I think the other was
Tarrant against Werribee. Jones is still on the list, Watson looks to have let an AFL career pass him by, but if they were both there still I'd have no problems with the club playing Weitering ahead of them.
PS; Correction, I'm told it was Tippett not Tarrant.
Rule 1: Selected side must contain a Silvagni
Rule 2: See Rule 1
That's being silly for the sake of it.
In the frame of reference that you make this post it's valid, but in reality Weitering has already played against seasoned AFL players and soundly beaten them.
If the boy is physically & mentally ready for it, then by all means give him more games.
I don't want to see the kid get beaten up and/or injured in his first season just because us supporters want to see him play.
how can i forget the great move of watson v cloke in his first game ,you are spot on sheiky .
If the boy is physically & mentally ready for it, then by all means give him more games.
I don't want to see the kid get beaten up and/or injured in his first season just because us supporters want to see him play.
I agree 100%, I am not sure Silvagni or Cunnigham look AFL ready, McKay has size and weight but we have mature options for his role at the moment and big blokes do take time.
I wonder how all this fits with Bolton's philosophy, "Get Comfortable with being Uncomfortable"
Dont think winning will be much of a priority and selections might depend on ladder position rather than form as the season progresses...SOS will want more early picks and a few players might get games they dont deserve to achieve the desired results.
Apart from Weitering I wouldnt expect to see much of the new draftees until maybe later in the season.....the GWS imports should all get a run at some stage regardless of form IMO. SOS will want a return on some of those kids to justify taking them IMO...
Anyone get the feeling SOS is running things and Bolton still looks like an assistant?
Anyone get the feeling SOS is running things and Bolton still looks like an assistant?
Only in relation to the list, Bolton is pulling the rest of the strings.
Sheik I happen to agree with much of that. I would set ourselves the goal of making the Northern Blues a regular finalist and build from there. I remember an interview with Neil Balme back in the Geelong days, and he was saying that they deliberately played players as a group in the reserves to allow them to develop together, and this paid off later when they came into the seniors.
I don't remember all the names, but Ablett was one along with a number of the later senior team (there were about 5-6 in the core group). We have that opportunity now to do this with the current group. Imagine Curnow, Weitering, Jaksch Smith, McKay, Cuningham, Whiley, Boekhorst along with the other list players, all playing together for the first half of the year. The Northern Blues would do well, the team camaraderie would form and the players would get to know each others games. Jack Silvagni would really benefit from this as well although won't play until 2017 in all likelihood.
Weitering and C.Curnow would be right to play now. Weitering could learn his trade as 3rd tall allowing Jammo and Plowman to play in the key positions in the short term. McKay and Cuningham might see some time as the season progresses. McKay just a little bit, Cuningham maybe a bit more. SOS jnr will need time to develop physically.
C.Curnow isn't dissimilar to Jack Darling. Could make a similar impact early on.
Dont think winning will be much of a priority and selections might depend on ladder position rather than form as the season progresses...SOS will want more early picks and a few players might get games they dont deserve to achieve the desired results.
Apart from Weitering I wouldnt expect to see much of the new draftees until maybe later in the season.....the GWS imports should all get a run at some stage regardless of form IMO. SOS will want a return on some of those kids to justify taking them IMO...
Anyone get the feeling SOS is running things and Bolton still looks like an assistant?
I reckon Bolton has stamped his authority on the joint and SOS has done a good job getting him what he wants
Anyone get the feeling SOS is running things and Bolton still looks like an assistant?
Possibly. Would it be a bad thing if that was the case? I reckon Neil the Seal is having a fair bit of a say around the place.
Anyone get the feeling SOS is running things and Bolton still looks like an assistant?
Everyone looks a bit less impressive next to SOS.
FWIW This is very much SOS's time in the spotlight so I'd expect him to come across as even more authoritative . Like people don't look up to him enough already ;D.
Bolts will be running the show from Saturday morning.
Everyone looks a bit less impressive next to SOS.
;D
Bar injuries the first round may go like this....
Touhy Jammo Weitering
Docherty Plowman Simpson
Buckley Gibbs E.Curnow
C.Curnow Jaksch Walker
Everitt Casboult Lamb
Kreuzer Cripps Murphy
Thomas Boekhorst Graham Kerridge
Bar injuries the first round may go like this....
Touhy Jammo Weitering
Docherty Plowman Simpson
Buckley Gibbs E.Curnow
C.Curnow Jaksch Walker
Everitt Casboult Lamb
Kreuzer Cripps Murphy
Thomas Boekhorst Graham Kerridge
I doubt we'd go in with so many 1st gamers and only 1 full-time ruckmen in Rnd 1, but you never know!
I expect with the new rules in 2016 you will find 2 full-time ruckmen playing each week, as a result I think Kreuzer + 1 is almost a certainty.
So take Jnr Curnow and Lamb out and put Phillips and Wright in. If Thomas is fit he'd start, Buckley won't be on a wing and Kerridge would be a starting HFF ahead of any others.
I doubt we'd go in with so many 1st gamers and only 1 full-time ruckmen in Rnd 1, but you never know!
I expect with the new rules in 2016 you will find 2 full-time ruckmen playing each week, as a result I think Kreuzer + 1 is almost a certainty.
So take Jnr Curnow and Lamb out and put Phillips and Wright in. If Thomas is fit he'd start, Buckley won't be on a wing and Kerridge would be a starting HFF ahead of any others.
Not a bad place for Buckley to play with his pace and run. Could even play him small forward. Doesn't matter that much these days where the mids are set up anyway. In the end they are all mids with their roles.
We never do any good playing two ruckmen. Kreuzer is so much better rucking most of the day with a little help from Casboult. Our rucks aren't any good when then not on the ball and not convinced the new ones are that good. New rules won't help much regarding ruckmen with the bench as interchanges are reduced to 90. Can't waste it with ruckmen spending alot of time on the bench. Need the bench numbers for the mids to keep interchanging.
C.Curnow is a fair size boy already. Like Jack Darling did he can play pretty much straight off and would like to play him that way. Lamb isn't a first gamer. He's been around for a while.
We can nurture players through as we did with Nick Graham, giving him a quarter every other month.
We can nurture players through as we did with Nick Graham, giving him a quarter every other month.
.......it was a master stroke by old powder balls. That way players can play until they are in their 50's!
Bloody AFL had it in for Malty from the beginning!!
I doubt we'd go in with so many 1st gamers and only 1 full-time ruckmen in Rnd 1, but you never know!
I expect with the new rules in 2016 you will find 2 full-time ruckmen playing each week, as a result I think Kreuzer + 1 is almost a certainty.
So take Jnr Curnow and Lamb out and put Phillips and Wright in. If Thomas is fit he'd start, Buckley won't be on a wing and Kerridge would be a starting HFF ahead of any others.
Am i missing here? 2 first gamers only....
Agree completely. It would be preferable if the first year players play reserves only in 2016, developing the understanding and fitness to compete properly and contribute. I fail to see the benefit in 18 year olds getting games because they were high picks. The club therefore needs to ensure the reserves are being coached properly and they are building the same approach and culture in the NBs.
We have too many players that were chucked in too early. Gibbs stands out as the example of what not to do. The guy was getting jabs in his injured ankle in his first year.
The 'have a go' mentality is a recipe for trouble. Having an opportunity when the hard work has been done and the levels required to receive the opportunity are understood is where the club must head toward.
Agree completely. It would be preferable if the first year players play reserves only in 2016, developing the understanding and fitness to compete properly and contribute. I fail to see the benefit in 18 year olds getting games because they were high picks. The club therefore needs to ensure the reserves are being coached properly and they are building the same approach and culture in the NBs.
We have too many players that were chucked in too early. Gibbs stands out as the example of what not to do. The guy was getting jabs in his injured ankle in his first year.
The 'have a go' mentality is a recipe for trouble. Having an opportunity when the hard work has been done and the levels required to receive the opportunity are understood is where the club must head toward.
18yo's do get games because they're good enough though. There's been alot of those over time. Weitering has played VFL and dominated senior AFL players. As a few coaches and scribes have said, he is ready to go from the start. C.Curnow big and strong enough to slot in easily enough at his size. Rest might need NBs time though.
Most players need that taste in their first year even if it's a game or two, as long as it's earned.
Agree completely. It would be preferable if the first year players play reserves only in 2016, developing the understanding and fitness to compete properly and contribute. I fail to see the benefit in 18 year olds getting games because they were high picks. The club therefore needs to ensure the reserves are being coached properly and they are building the same approach and culture in the NBs.
We have too many players that were chucked in too early. Gibbs stands out as the example of what not to do. The guy was getting jabs in his injured ankle in his first year.
The 'have a go' mentality is a recipe for trouble. Having an opportunity when the hard work has been done and the levels required to receive the opportunity are understood is where the club must head toward.
Surely it should depend on the ability, maturity and physical and mental preparedness of the player concerned.
Gibbs had been playing SANFL before being drafted so he was ready to go. However, giving him jabs to keep him on the ground is appalling player management. I don't really understand how the club doctor could agree to that.
Depending on how they go in the pre-season, I wouldn't be surprised to see Weitering and Curnow jnr in contention for a game in round one. McKay, Cuningham and Silvagni will have the opportunity to present their case for selection by demonstrating their readiness in the NBs and/or development squad.
Bar injuries the first round may go like this....
Touhy Jammo Weitering
Docherty Plowman Simpson
Buckley Gibbs E.Curnow
C.Curnow Jaksch Walker
Everitt Casboult Lamb
Kreuzer Cripps Murphy
Thomas Boekhorst Graham Kerridge
I think that's pretty close to what I'd have. With the selection of Wright he'd play before Lamb and I think Buckley will start back. And I'm glad you put Boekhorst there. Has to be played so we can see what he's got. I'm going to take a punt early on and guess that D. Rainbow is headed for the delist bin.
I also agree with the comment above that they'll probably play two ruckman though not sure who'd get swapped out to make that happen - possibly Walker.
Kerridge, Plowman are probably certain to start from round 1 with Charlie Curnow and Weitering. Haven't seen enough from Sumner, Lamb to comment on them just yet. I figure McKay will be in and out at times. Most of how we start each game will depend on injuries and who we are up against.
What is most important to us is to have all the senior players fit and ready to start from week 1. Kreuzer, Cripps, Thomas, Docherty, Murphy, Gibbs, E Curnow, Jamo, Rowe, Jakcsh, Walker, Everitt, Casboult, Buckley, Touhy, Armfield and White are our main players with enough senior games in them to mentor the newbies. We need as many of these guys around the kids to help them develop during matches.
I'm not sure yet on the remaining players like Boeky, Graham, Tutt and the rest. I would however want to see more from Sheehan and Byrnes. They can both play and play like leaders.
Personally, unless desperate I wouldn't be playing Rowe, Jones, Tutt or White next year. Those four are not the future of the club. Army would be next on the list but I actually liked his endeavour last year and I was glad we resigned him.
Personally, unless desperate I wouldn't be playing Rowe, Jones, Tutt or White next year. Those four are not the future of the club. Army would be next on the list but I actually liked his endeavour last year and I was glad we resigned him.
We agree twice in the one night!
We agree twice in the one night!
HA!
Bar injuries the first round may go like this....
Touhy Jammo Weitering
Docherty Plowman Simpson
Buckley Gibbs E.Curnow
C.Curnow Jaksch Walker
Everitt Casboult Lamb
Kreuzer Cripps Murphy
Thomas Boekhorst Graham Kerridge
Plowman is a half back flanker with ambitions to play in the midfield and I doubt whether he'd hold down centre half back. He would be a third tall at best and I reckon Simon White may have the edge on him.
Similarly, Jaksch is a third tall and is not strong enough to play as centre half forward. I think he will be competing with Walker, Everitt and Curnow jnr, for one of possibly two spots.
With four on the bench and reduced interchanges, we'll probably go with two ruckmen and follow Hawthorn's tactic of resting midfielders in the forward line.
My line up would be:
Buckley Jamison White
Docherty Weitering Tuohy
Simpson E Curnow Everitt
Gibbs Casboult Walker
Kerridge C Curnow Phillips
Thomas Boekhorst Graham Plowman
Not a bad place for Buckley to play with his pace and run.
He has poor aerobic capacity, during pre-season he was left gasping by Kerridge one session and then Casey Byrnes the next!
I've always believed the best 22, but allowing for team structure, should play.
Once pre-season is over, it doesn't matter how old you are, how many years you have been at the club or what draft pick number you were. The best 22 play, and if you want to break into the side, then you had better be playing out of your skin in the seconds week in and week out.
Never gift a game to anyone, everyone has to earn their spot. At the same time, if someone is knocking the door down in the seconds, they need to be given a chance.
I've always believed the best 22, but allowing for team structure, should play.
Once pre-season is over, it doesn't matter how old you are, how many years you have been at the club or what draft pick number you were. The best 22 play, and if you want to break into the side, then you had better be playing out of your skin in the seconds week in and week out.
Never gift a game to anyone, everyone has to earn their spot. At the same time, if someone is knocking the door down in the seconds, they need to be given a chance.
A novel idea but it may just work!
The only adjustment I would make is the capacity to tailor the best 22 to suit the conditions and opposition.
I've always believed the best 22, but allowing for team structure, should play.
Once pre-season is over, it doesn't matter how old you are, how many years you have been at the club or what draft pick number you were. The best 22 play, and if you want to break into the side, then you had better be playing out of your skin in the seconds week in and week out.
Never gift a game to anyone, everyone has to earn their spot. At the same time, if someone is knocking the door down in the seconds, they need to be given a chance.
That's how I see it Amers. Those principles are straight forward and easy for players to understand so they each know exactly what they have to do to earn a game. Nothing's guarateed though as there may be another guy doing them better than you!
I've always believed the best 22, but allowing for team structure, should play.
Once pre-season is over, it doesn't matter how old you are, how many years you have been at the club or what draft pick number you were. The best 22 play, and if you want to break into the side, then you had better be playing out of your skin in the seconds week in and week out.
Never gift a game to anyone, everyone has to earn their spot. At the same time, if someone is knocking the door down in the seconds, they need to be given a chance.
Yep Agree with this.
He has poor aerobic capacity, during pre-season he was left gasping by Kerridge one session and then Casey Byrnes the next!
November!
Could end up the small forward too. In that case then I'd bring Bryne in.
Herald Sun Super Coach nominated our 'Best 22'
BEST 22
B: L.Plowman, M.Jamison, Z.Tuohy
HB: S.Docherty, S.Rowe, K.Simpson
C: D.Buckley, P.Cripps, E.Curnow
HF: N.Graham, A.Everitt, A.Walker
F: C.Curnow, L.Casboult, D.Thomas
Foll: M.Kreuzer, M.Murphy (c), B.Gibbs
I/C: S.Kerridge, J.Weitering, S.White, D.Cuningham
Emerg: C.Wood, D.Armfield, M.Wright
No Boekhurst, and they obviously don't rate either Irish lad waiting in the wings.
Hard to see Cunningham being selected ahead of Boekhorst.
Herald Sun Super Coach nominated our 'Best 22'
BEST 22
B: L.Plowman, M.Jamison, Z.Tuohy
HB: S.Docherty, S.Rowe, K.Simpson
C: D.Buckley, P.Cripps, E.Curnow
HF: N.Graham, A.Everitt, A.Walker
F: C.Curnow, L.Casboult, D.Thomas
Foll: M.Kreuzer, M.Murphy (c), B.Gibbs
I/C: S.Kerridge, J.Weitering, S.White, D.Cuningham
Emerg: C.Wood, D.Armfield, M.Wright
No Boekhurst, and they obviously don't rate either Irish lad waiting in the wings.
I dont know who the journo is but Im guessing he/she wouldnt know Sheehan or Byrne from a bar of soap. They are very highly rated internally, make no mistake that if they are injury free and fit, they will play senior footy.
Hard to see Cunningham being selected ahead of Boekhorst.
Aye, stupid call. No respect to young Cuningham but he's a way off playing senior footy.
Aye, stupid call. No respect to young Cuningham but he's a way off playing senior footy.
The best 22 can only ever be pure speculation at this stage of the year - well for 5 or 6 of them anyway.
Pretty close I reckon. I'd swap Wright and C Curnow, and replace Cuningham with Boekhorst. Which defenders would you remove to create a spot for the Irish boys?
was Jon Ralph involved?
He's got a massive boner on for Boek to fail.
I agree with GtC: the 2 Irish lads will be good enough to play if they are uninjured. They add pace to our midfield, and neither takes any crap. They may allow us to move Zac Tuohy into the midfield.
I must admit that I don't take much notice of the 'best 22': not only is it very early, but none of the scribes really know how the players are rated internally. Nor will we until it gets a LOT closer to the real season, in all probability. However, last year Byrne played all the preseason and would have started but for injury. He did well in his only game until he was hurt. Sheehan more than held his place at the end of 2014.
I expect the youngsters to get games and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them play a LOT of games, but to place a kid in our best a this point is pushing it.
I think this is the best place for Bolton's latest musings:
Asked whether Gibbs could become a consistently dominant player in 2016, Bolton said: "I'd really like to think that he could. His physical preparation has been a real positive."
"But our footy club needs to rely on more than just Bryce Gibbs and Marc Murphy and 'Kreuze' (Matthew Kreuzer), it's got to become more dense than that.
"Last year's draft was step one to help improve in that area, but it's going to take some time."
Stating the obvious perhaps, but Bolton will be expecting others to step up.
His thoughts on Kreuzer and the other talls are interesting too:
Bolton said Kreuzer's troublesome right foot had given him no problems this summer, as he looks set to complete his first full pre-season in years.
The Blues coach is yet to decide whether the 200cm big man is best suited to the ruck or forward line, but believes his versatility will be a significant asset.
"We know Kreuze is a really high draft pick and he has talent, but we're pushing systems," Bolton said.
"Andrew Phillips, Kreuze, Levi Casboult, Daniel Gorringe are all key forwards who can hit in the ruck, so I think we'll have a mix and a blend of them working as a system.
"I'm going to suspend judgment (on Kreuzer's best position). I want to see him within our system, but I think he can have impact both in the ruck and as a forward because he's so mobile for a big guy."
Rucks who can play forward and/or forwards who can ruck have been part of the Hawthorn "system" and it seems that Bolton will follow a similar approach.
Casboult as the tall forward, Kreuz in the ruck, Phillips as 2nd ruck/forward, Everitt as the 3rd tall.
The exciting part for me is having Walker down there as a 4th tall, he could be in for another 50 goal year !!
I think this is the best place for Bolton's latest musings:
Stating the obvious perhaps, but Bolton will be expecting others to step up.
His thoughts on Kreuzer and the other talls are interesting too:
Rucks who can play forward and/or forwards who can ruck have been part of the Hawthorn "system" and it seems that Bolton will follow a similar approach.
Kreuzer is not a forward, never was and never will be, he is either a ruck or a ruck rover end of story.
I think some of Kreuzers very best stoppage work came about when he was ruck roving to either Hampson or Warnock inside F50, not unlike what Roughead does for Hawthorn on occasions.
When blokes that size get momentum around a pack and the tap works out in their general direction it's very hard to prevent them from getting a clean possession away. And if the tap doesn't work they tend to hit opponents very hard, you don't see blokes breaking away from a Kreuzer tackle in the way they shrug off a Carrazzo, Murphy or Gibbs. Imagine Cripps and Murphy set free next to a marauding Kreuzer.
The only other place they should try and play Kreuzer is on a wing in Gehrig style. Opposition clubs will be forced to put a monster defender or other ruckmen on him but most won't have the capacity to keep running with him. Further he still gets to rove stoppages from that position, you can have him at most stoppages between CHB and CHF.
Rucks who can play forward and/or forwards who can ruck have been part of the Hawthorn "system" and it seems that Bolton will follow a similar approach.
We've been trying to do this since 2009 and it hasn't really worked for us. Maybe BB can work some magic but it will be a long journey to get it right IMO (probably means new players in those roles)
We've been trying to do this since 2009 and it hasn't really worked for us. Maybe BB can work some magic but it will be a long journey to get it right IMO (probably means new players in those roles)
Very true, and I think that Phillips and Gorringe were recruited because they can go forward, take marks and kick goals. Kreuzer could do that too, earlier in his career, and probably can still if given the opportunity and good delivery.
It's probably a combination of talls with ability and ball movement and structures that enable them to capitalise on that ability. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Kreuzer is not a forward, never was and never will be, he is either a ruck or a ruck rover end of story.
I think some of Kreuzers very best stoppage work came about when he was ruck roving to either Hampson or Warnock inside F50, not unlike what Roughead does for Hawthorn on occasions.
When blokes that size get momentum around a pack and the tap works out in their general direction it's very hard to prevent them from getting a clean possession away. And if the tap doesn't work they tend to hit opponents very hard, you don't see blokes breaking away from a Kreuzer tackle in the way they shrug off a Carrazzo, Murphy or Gibbs. Imagine Cripps and Murphy set free next to a marauding Kreuzer.
The only other place they should try and play Kreuzer is on a wing in Gehrig style. Opposition clubs will be forced to put a monster defender or other ruckmen on him but most won't have the capacity to keep running with him. Further he still gets to rove stoppages from that position, you can have him at most stoppages between CHB and CHF.
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Very true, and I think that Phillips and Gorringe were recruited because they can go forward, take marks and kick goals. Kreuzer could do that too, earlier in his career, and probably can still if given the opportunity and good delivery.
It's probably a combination of talls with ability and ball movement and structures that enable them to capitalise on that ability. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Good delivery is essential but I think he will be more useful on the ball with only the occasional foray forward. I guess we'll have to wait and see how BB wants to use him - I think it could be interesting.
Good delivery is essential but I think he will be more useful on the ball with only the occasional foray forward. I guess we'll have to wait and see how BB wants to use him - I think it could be interesting.
Most long range delivery into the forward line is just average, good forwards deal with that. Better teams move the ball quickly and hit 30m to 40m targets rather than kicking 50m bombs. 30m ~ 40m passes suit fast moving agile forwards, not ruckmen resting inside F50. Also in the 20m ~ 30m range the forward only needs a step to break away from the defender, at 50m they need to get clear by 2 or 3 steps as bare minimum.
Carlton's delivery into the forward line has been downright poor and it needs a fix. But this concept of needing "Good Delivery" can be a bit of an excuse for blokes who don't know how to play forward or are not suited to the role.
Fev used to rave about Hoops delivery into the forward line, buts Hoops was only responsible for a very small percentage of Fev's goals and as we know Fev kicked plenty. Primarily Fev just wanted the ball delivered in the general direction of some space" in front of him" and as quickly as possible, he did the rest.
If you go back and watch our forward delivery over the last 4 ~ 5 years you'll see us kicking over the head of the leading forward to Betts or Garlett running into the goal-square which in my opinion is not a finals winning strategy and easily circumvented when required! Our "Plan B" seemed to be to kick the ball 50m onto the head of a ruckmen and let Betts fly for the mark against them instead of staying on the deck for the crumbs. I am not sure how much of that was planned and how much was mates looking after mates, I suspect a bit of both which is why I think our delivery was shizen!
@LP
LP, I think good delivery is simply the sort that suits the capabilities of your forwards and that they can score from on a consistent and reliable basis. No point providing any other kind of delivery that doesn't do that?
@LP
LP, I think good delivery is simply the sort that suits the capabilities of your forwards and that they can score from on a consistent and reliable basis. No point providing any other kind of delivery that doesn't do that?
I heard a King analysis last year that said we are statistically one of the best performing clubs at entering F50, but our percentage of scores from entries is very poor and the ratio of opposition scoring from our failed F50 entries was one of the highest if not the highest in the AFL.
I heard a King analysis last year that said we are statistically one of the best performing clubs at entering F50, but our percentage of scores from entries is very poor and the ratio of opposition scoring from our failed F50 entries was one of the highest if not the highest in the AFL.
That's what happens when you bomb the ball along the boundary.