Carlton Supporters Club

Next week at the MCG. It is not going to be nice.
Why? We are not getting the ball out of the middle. Not at all. Not since Round #1. Kreuzer has been down: he struggled again tonight. We have not been getting anything from his taps. Next week he plays Natanui who is in career best form as a ruckman. If Natanui plays to that standard next week, we are toast.

Our midfield will be very empty next week without Murphy. He will probably need surgery on his plantar fascia. I've been there and done that. It won't take forever to get over, but it will be a while before he is back to normal.

Our kids are struggling. I don't know what to do about that. We don't want to drop them, but they aren't getting much from us being pounded.

Our disposal has been horrible. Just horrible. If we can't fix that, then it will get ugly.

Time to play McKay, Kerr and Jack together and at least try and score some goals......I'd run Jones on the ball as a follower and have Rowe in to play FB.....

SoJ is dead to me.

Reports were his form didn't warrant selection and he proved it, so from now on I'll just assume nepotism rules the Carlton MC. His game tonight was worse than Casboult, and that coming from me means something!

How would you feel if you were Kerridge or Kerr watching that sh1te and knowing you couldn't get a game? Why would you bother, which is sort of related to the way the NBs have been playing!

SoJ is dead to me.

Reports were his form didn't warrant selection and he proved it, so from now on I'll just assume nepotism rules the Carlton MC. His game tonight was worse than Casboult, and that coming from me means something!

How would you feel if you were Kerridge or Kerr watching that sh1te and knowing you couldn't get a game? Why would you bother, which is sort of related to the way the NBs have been playing!

Mate, we don't have 22 blokes on the list whose form warrant selection.

I doubt we'd even have double figures!

Why pick on him?

Mate, we don't have 22 blokes on the list whose form warrant selection.

I doubt we'd even have double figures!

Why pick on him?

Because people put faith in him (rightly or wrongly), and he is only young and apparently human. Jack Silvagni did not ask for the famous name, the pressure must be immense.

I thought many of our younger guys in the last quarter still chased but were exhausted, Jack looked to give all he had to chase, had 12 touches, 4 marks, 3 tackles and kicked 1.1, Matthew Wright was only marginally better. Young teams take time, Jack was hardly our worst.

Time to play McKay, Kerr and Jack together and at least try and score some goals......I'd run Jones on the ball as a follower and have Rowe in to play FB.....

Agree with all that providing Rowey is ready, the jump to AFL as we know is huge and I would hate to see him hurt that knee again.

NAtanui will carve up Kreuzer,  I like the concept of running Jones on ball to at least give something different.

Kerr and McKay up forward for structure,  Kerridge as a runner  to go with Shuey, LoB for Gaff.

LeCras is smart but slow and soft....Plowman?


Kennedy is the worry.   If he gets decent delivery he'll kick 15.

SoJ is dead to me.

Reports were his form didn't warrant selection and he proved it, so from now on I'll just assume nepotism rules the Carlton MC. His game tonight was worse than Casboult, and that coming from me means something!

How would you feel if you were Kerridge or Kerr watching that sh1te and knowing you couldn't get a game? Why would you bother, which is sort of related to the way the NBs have been playing!

Harsh LP. I say that not because Jack is a protected species, no one is. I don't buy the nepotism line either, I would think our club is professional enough to ensure that doesn't occur. Sure there will be players not getting a game who will automatically say "Jack gets a game because of SOS", I have heard this from someone. I also know they players he refers to and I can tell you they should look in the mirror as opposed to whinging about not getting a game. Our entire 22 was horrid last night. I thought Daisy and Jack tried their guts out, albeit the latter having little reward and skill errors made it look worse for him (he wast Robinson Crusoe in that area though). I also reckon given Jack and Weiters are the future of our club, provided they hit their KPIs in the 2s (in Jacks case) and their is a role for them in the 1s, they will get a gig ahead of Kerridge (who isnt part of our long term plans) and isn't setting the world on fire in the 2s anyway. Make no mistake, if there are blokes who stake a claim in the 2s, they will be in like Flynn. To be clear, I am not suggesting for a minute that Jack should be an auto select, I am merely suggesting the MC saw fit to pick him this week.

NAtanui will carve up Kreuzer,  I like the concept of running Jones on ball to at least give something different.

Kerr and McKay up forward for structure,  Kerridge as a runner  to go with Shuey, LoB for Gaff.

LeCras is smart but slow and soft....Plowman?


Kennedy is the worry.   If he gets decent delivery he'll kick 15.

To be honest, I thought the same about Brown last night. I think we did well to hold him and Waite to 5 and 3 respectively. Their mids and small fwds got off the chain far too easily and kicked a bundle.

So the sun came up this morning, along with abit of drizzle here in Melbourne town. As bad as that was to watch last night, I think as supporters, we owe it to the boys to support them this week and back em in. We might not think that, we might not think they deserve it, but we must. They are hurting as mush we are, we might not think it but they are. We all need to get back on the horse and front up next week. There is an opportunity to redeem ourselves, so roll up the collective sleeves as there is no other option.
Go Blues.

So the sun came up this morning, along with abit of drizzle here in Melbourne town. As bad as that was to watch last night, I think as supporters, we owe it to the boys to support them this week and back em in. We might not think that, we might not think they deserve it, but we must. They are hurting as mush we are, we might not think it but they are. We all need to get back on the horse and front up next week. There is an opportunity to redeem ourselves, so roll up the collective sleeves as there is no other option.
Go Blues.

This should not be difficult for us - after all, we have had plenty of practice.

But they had the chance to respond after the round two and three debacles....  and it pains me to say this but the performances are getting worse by the week... how can it be any worse in round five, a 150 point loss?

Words are cheap... don't think, DO!

We lack talent, our kids are very novice like and our experienced players not good enough to provide cover and help them progress.
The Northern Blues has been a disaster area and its filtering up to the seniors, changes need to be made to the coaching and recruiting areas, it wont be Bolton and SOS but some of the others need moving on like Fraser, Barker etc.

Rather than than going hard on more kids we need better mid age senior players......missing on Rockliff, Smith, Hopper, Saad probably hurt us more than we thought...we needed to also land a player like Tomlinson rather than have to take OSheas, Mullets etc........
We were in the hunt for Shaun Higgins at one stage but North beat us to him...thats the type of quality we need to look at initially not superstar material like Lynch but consistent quality...

Stkilda have fallen into the same trap.....recruited kids on mass but gradually the quality senior player numbers have dwindled and they have topped up with poorer quality fringe players to replace them and now have nothing decent in that mid age bracket.....

We'll always support them...but really last night was an opportunity to show a bit of mettle, a bit of fight and a bit of effort... and they didn't raise a whimper.

I'm starting to wonder about some of the dynamics at the club.

Is everyone on board?
If there are dissenters what weight and influence do they carry within the playing group?

On the other hand if everyone is committed, what factors are at play that are causing efforts like last night.
Youth and injury do count for something but they don't excuse that lacklustre performance.

Is everyone on board?
If there are dissenters what weight and influence do they carry within the playing group?

Week in and week out four of our best five are our senior players so I don't think there is any dissent among the playing group.
It's simply that much of the talent that we have is raw and the run of the mill players that we've surrounded them with (Casboult, Mullet, Lamb, Kennedy, Graham etc.) aren't good enough.
We won't see any real improvement and consistency until our youngsters have another 40 games in them and we've been able to replace some or all of our scrubbers.

Week in and week out four of our best five are our senior players so I don't think there is any dissent among the playing group.
It's simply that much of the talent that we have is raw and the run of the mill players that we've surrounded them with (Casboult, Mullet, Lamb, Kennedy, Graham etc.) aren't good enough.
We won't see any real improvement and consistency until our youngsters have another 40 games in them and we've been able to replace some or all of our scrubbers.

I have no idea if there's any issues among the players, and disagree on Kennedy, but agree on everything else.

I have no idea if there's any issues among the players, and disagree on Kennedy, but agree on everything else.

I need to see a few more tricks from Kennedy before I'm convinced that he's anything more than an honest battler, he's the bloke you recruit when you can't get Mitchell, O'Meara, Treloar, Dangerfield or Kelly.
Our midfield last night consisted of Cripps, a couple of triers and a couple of green as grass kids, that won't win many games of AFL football.

Week in and week out four of our best five are our senior players so I don't think there is any dissent among the playing group.
It's simply that much of the talent that we have is raw and the run of the mill players that we've surrounded them with (Casboult, Mullet, Lamb, Kennedy, Graham etc.) aren't good enough.
We won't see any real improvement and consistency until our youngsters have another 40 games in them and we've been able to replace some or all of our scrubbers.

Issue is, if the players aren't putting in any fair dinkum effort at all then there is a problem far removed from ability. We've had one period since 2001 where this hasn't been an issue at some stage, 2008-13 and we there got hamstrung theren having Wayne Hughes as our recruiter. As Lods said, what is happening within the dynamics of the club

I need to see a few more tricks from Kennedy before I'm convinced that he's anything more than an honest battler, he's the bloke you recruit when you can't get Mitchell, O'Meara, Treloar, Dangerfield or Kelly.
Our midfield last night consisted of Cripps, a couple of triers and a couple of green as grass kids, that won't win many games of AFL football.

Fair enough. I've seen glimpses of him which make me think he's better than an honest battler. He's surely injured, and with only him and Cripps and then daylight in the midfield, it's hard to shine and put your best foot forward.

Personally, I reckon he'll make it.

Mothball Kreuzer, next week it's Naitanui, no point rucking a bloke who cannot jump or move freely.

Let Casboult ruck 50/50 with someone like Phillips or Jones.

Bring Rowe in for Plowman or Weitering both which seem to be carrying an injury.

Get Casboult out of F50, bring in Kerr as Charlie's conspirator, send SoJ back to the magoos to find some genuine form!

Get Jones further up the field with the remit to hit the contests and bring the ball to ground. Get the kids roving to someone who will reliably offer a contest, Jones, Kerr or Charlie.

I reckon Lobbe would only need to raise his little finger off his death bed and he'd be straight into the 1s! ;)

Drop Thomas.

One of our best last night....let him go back and work with the kids.

(Drop the kids too)

Issue is, if the players aren't putting in any fair dinkum effort at all then there is a problem far removed from ability. We've had one period since 2001 where this hasn't been an issue at some stage, 2008-13 and we there got hamstrung theren having Wayne Hughes as our recruiter. As Lods said, what is happening within the dynamics of the club

2008-2012 was a disaster for the club and one of the major reasons we are where we are today, and before anyone gets defensive of Ratten I'm not blaming him for it, or at least not entirely although he would have had some say in the trades we made you would reckon.
Of all the players drafted or traded in during that period only Graham and Rowe remain on our list, in effect it's a lost five years.
At the moment the confidence of the group is low and even our better players find themselves under pressure and making mistakes, but when you remove Docherty, Gibbs and Murphy from a team which finished 16th last year results like last night are more or less inevitable in the short term.

2008-2012 was a disaster for the club and one of the major reasons we are where we are today, and before anyone gets defensive of Ratten I'm not blaming him for it, or at least not entirely although he would have had some say in the trades we made you would reckon.

Of all the players drafted or traded in during that period only Graham and Rowe remain on our list, in effect it's a lost five years.

I think you need to review those facts!

2008-2012 was a disaster for the club and one of the major reasons we are where we are today, and before anyone gets defensive of Ratten I'm not blaming him for it, or at least not entirely although he would have had some say in the trades we made you would reckon.
Of all the players drafted or traded in during that period only Graham and Rowe remain on our list, in effect it's a lost five years.
At the moment the confidence of the group is low and even our better players find themselves under pressure and making mistakes, but when you remove Docherty, Gibbs and Murphy from a team which finished 16th last year results like last night are more or less inevitable in the short term.

Recruiting-wise it was a real disaster for the club and hurt badly. If only we had SOS in those days. You could talk flags then. your recruiter the most important man in the club. Coach is important but you can change those. Recruiter mistakes hurt for years.

Recruiting-wise it was a real disaster for the club and hurt badly. If only we had SOS in those days. You could talk flags then. your recruiter the most important man in the club. Coach is important but you can change those. Recruiter mistakes hurt for years.

That is basically it. I keep saying it that period set us back 10 years.

I think you need to review those facts!

No other players come to mind LP but I'll stand corrected.
Edit: Ed Curnow as well, and while Ed has a red hot go you'd hardly build a Premiership side around him, Rowey or Nick Graham.

No other players come to mind LP but I'll stand corrected.
Edit: Ed Curnow as well, and while Ed has a red hot go you'd hardly build a Premiership side around him, Rowey or Nick Graham.

And Levi. Below is a horror story Table of every player we have ever drafted.

And Levi. Below is a horror story Table of every player we have ever drafted.

I forgot Levi as well, but some would say that Levi is forgettable.
The list you posted is a tale of woe but hardly surprising given that our President at the time of the draft's inception branded it as an illegal restraint of trade and paid no real regard to it.
Sad as it is our present predicament is largely of our own making.

That is basically it. I keep saying it that period set us back 10 years.

Ratten and SOS would've been such a different story. Just show how important recruiting staff is. That's the difference between a possible flag and the pits of $hit where we are now.

Ratten and SOS would've been such a different story. Just show how important recruiting staff is. That's the difference between a possible flag and the pits of $hit where we are now.

We have started to get things right, however it does take time. Realistically, we are paying for the sins of the past, the bill came due and we have no option but pay. Those calling for sacking the coach, management or players, simply are in denial, and, they know this to be true. We don't want to have to face it, but this is reality for 2018.

Get through this and we see a stronger Carlton for a sustained period.

And Levi. Below is a horror story Table of every player we have ever drafted.

Selection   Drafted-player   Afl-club   Club-of-origin   Draft-year 3   Paddy Dow   Carlton      2017 10   Lochie O'Brien   Carlton      2017 30   Tom De Koning   Carlton      2017 70   Angus Schumacher   Carlton      2017 78   Jarrod Garlett   Carlton      2017 6   Sam Petrevski-Seton   Carlton   Claremont   2016 27   Zac Fisher   Carlton   Perth   2016 47   Harrison Macreadie   Carlton   Henty   2016 59   Cameron Polson   Carlton   Sandringham U18   2016 61   Tom Williamson   Carlton   North Ballarat U18   2016 65   Pat Kerr   Carlton   Oakleigh U18   2016 1   Jacob Weitering   Carlton   Mount Eliza   2015 10   Harry McKay   Carlton   Gippsland U18   2015 12   Charlie Curnow   Carlton   Geelong U18   2015 23   David Cunningham   Carlton   Oakleigh U18   2015 53   Jack Silvagni   Carlton   Oakleigh U18   2015 19   Blaine Boekhorst   Carlton   Swan Districts   2014 28   Dillon Viojo-Rainbow   Carlton   Western U18   2014 60   Clem Smith   Carlton   Perth   2014 63   Jayden Foster   Carlton   Calder U18   2014 71   Not utilised   Carlton      2014 82   Not utilised   Carlton      2014 13   Patrick Cripps   Carlton   East Fremantle   2013 39   Cameron Giles   Carlton   Woodville-West Torrens   2013 51   Nick Holman   Carlton   Murray U18   2013 67   Not utilised   Carlton      2013 79   Not utilised   Carlton      2013 89   Ed Curnow*   Carlton   Carlton Rookies   2013 94   Tom Bell*   Carlton   Carlton Rookies   2013 11   Troy Menzel   Carlton   Central District   2012 35   Tom Temay   Carlton   Sandringham U18   2012 54   Nick Graham   Carlton   Gippsland U18   2012 69   Not utilised   Carlton      2012 74   Not utilised   Carlton      2012 89   Levi Casboult*   Carlton   Carlton   2012 102   Zach Tuohy*   Carlton   Carlton   2012 22   Josh Bootsma   Carlton   South Fremantle   2011 44   Sam Rowe   Carlton   Norwood   2011 62   Dylan Buckley   Carlton   Northern U18   2011 18   Matthew Watson   Carlton   Calder U18   2010 34   Patrick McCarthy   Carlton   Glenelg   2010 42   Luke Mitchell   Carlton   Calder U18   2010 67   Andrew McInnes   Carlton   Dandenong U18   2010 70   Nick Duigan   Carlton   Norwood   2010 85   Jeff Garlett*   Carlton   Carlton   2010 99   David Ellard*   Carlton   Carlton   2010 108   Simon White*   Carlton   Carlton   2010 12   Kane Lucas   Carlton   East Fremantle   2009 43   Marcus Davies   Carlton   Tasmania U18   2009 59   Rohan Kerr   Carlton   Dandenong U18   2009 72   Sam Jacobs*   Carlton   Carlton   2009 83   Aaron Joseph*   Carlton   Tasmania U18   2009 6   Chris Yarran   Carlton   Swan Districts   2008 40   Mitch Robinson   Carlton   Tasmania U18   2008 65   Rhys O'Keeffe   Carlton   North Adelaide   2008 80   Caleb Tiller   Carlton   Murray U18   2008 85   Not utilised   Carlton      2008 1   Matthew Kreuzer   Carlton   Northern U18   2007 36   Steven Browne   Carlton   West Perth   2007 46   Dennis Armfield   Carlton   Swan Districts   2007 65   Not utilised   Carlton      2007 1   Bryce Gibbs   Carlton   Glenelg   2006 17   Shaun Hampson   Carlton   Mt Gravatt   2006 19   Shaun Grigg   Carlton   North Ballarat U18   2006 35   Mark Austin   Carlton   Glenelg   2006 51   Clinton Benjamin   Carlton   Claremont   2006 67   Joe Anderson   Carlton   Darwin   2006 81   Not utilised   Carlton      2006 1   Marc Murphy   Carlton   Oakleigh U18   2005 4   Josh J. Kennedy   Carlton   East Fremantle   2005 20   Paul Bower   Carlton   Peel Thunder   2005 36   Jake Edwards   Carlton   Western U18   2005 64   Not utilised   Carlton      2005 9   Jordan Russell   Carlton   West Adelaide   2004 25   Adam Hartlett   Carlton   West Adelaide   2004 41   Luke Blackwell   Carlton   Swan Districts   2004 73   Chris Bryan   Carlton   Frankston   2004 77   Anthony Raso   Carlton   Dandenong U18   2004 78   Not utilised   Carlton      2004 2   Andrew Walker   Carlton   Bendigo U18   2003 57   Ricky Mott   Carlton   Fremantle rookies   2003 63   Glen Bowyer   Carlton   Hawthorn   2003 69   Jordan Bannister   Carlton   Essendon   2003 72   Adrian Deluca   Carlton   Port Melbourne   2003 75   Stephen Kenna   Carlton   Box Hill Hawks   2003 78   Not utilised   Carlton      2003 80   Not utilised   Carlton      2003 45   Kade Simpson   Carlton   Eastern U18   2002 60   Cameron Croad   Carlton   Oakleigh U18   2002 72   Brad Fisher   Carlton   Eastern U18   2002 79   Karl Norman   Carlton   Wangaratta Rovers   2002 84   Mick Martyn   Carlton   North Melbourne   2002 39   Justin Davies   Carlton   Murray U18   2001 46   Jarrad Waite   Carlton   Murray U18   2001 75   Sam Cranage   Carlton   Carlton   2001 84   Not utilised   Carlton      2001 4   Luke Livingston   Carlton   Bendigo U18   2000 11   Trent Sporn   Carlton   North Adelaide   2000 15   Simon Wiggins   Carlton   Tasmania U18   2000 31   Blake Campbell   Carlton   Murray U18   2000 46   Sean O'Keeffe   Carlton   Murray U18   2000 61   Callan Beasy   Carlton   Bendigo U18   2000 60   Richard Kelly   Carlton   Perth   1999 73   Ryan Houlihan   Carlton   Murray U18   1999 80   Jeremy Dukes   Carlton   Prahran U18   1999 86   Trent Hotton   Carlton   East Burwood   1999 90   Andrew Merrington   Carlton   St Bernards   1999 92   Adam Mathews   Carlton   Murray U18   1999 93   Joe Allen   Carlton   Gippsland U18   1999 6   Murray Vance   Carlton   Murray U18   1998 38   Brendan Fevola   Carlton   Dandenong U18   1998 58   Ian Prendergast   Carlton   Oakleigh U18   1998 67   Brett Backwell   Carlton   West Brisbane Lions   1998 78   Not utilised   Carlton      1998 87   Not utilised   Carlton      1998 7   Kris Massie   Carlton   Dandenong U18   1997 23   Adam Chatfield   Carlton   NSW-ACT U18   1997 55   Craig Black   Carlton   Dandenong U18   1997 70   Trent Hoppner   Carlton   Preston U18   1997 80   John Hynes   Carlton   Prahran U18   1997 83   Ben J. Thompson   Carlton   Kedron Grange   1997 38   Sam Smart   Carlton   Norwood   1996 52   Damien Lock   Carlton   Bendigo U18   1996 74   Chris Jackson   Carlton   NSW-ACT U18   1996 81   Anthony Franchina   Carlton   Carlton Reserves   1996 62   Adrian Burdon   Carlton   Tasmania U18   1995 63   Jacob Anstey   Carlton   Tuggeranong   1995 69   Daniel Marshall   Carlton   Dandenong-Southern U18   1995 15   Scott Camporeale   Carlton   Woodville-West Torrens   1994 33   Mark Cullen   Carlton   Eastern U18   1994 41   Adam White   Carlton   Eastern U18   1994 67   Tony Bourke   Carlton   Ballarat U18   1994 79   Aaron Hamill   Carlton   Tuggeranong   1994 89   David Nicholson   Carlton   Western U18   1994 18   Simon Beaumont   Carlton   Central U18   1993 48   Matthew Hopkins   Carlton   West Adelaide   1993 13   Andrew McKay   Carlton   Glenelg   1992 43   Adrian Whitehead   Carlton   Wodonga   1992 58   Chris Peel   Carlton   Swan Districts   1992 61   Luke Rayner   Carlton   Geelong U18   1992 73   Tony Plim   Carlton   Golden Square   1992 88   Troy Bond   Carlton   Port Adelaide (SANFL)   1992 103   Ben Harrison   Carlton   Devonport   1992 118   Scott Spalding   Carlton   Perth   1992 18   Matthew Hogg   Carlton   Western Bulldogs   1991 28   Cale O'Keefe   Carlton   South Launceston   1991 44   Brett Sholl   Carlton   North Melbourne   1991 54   Leigh Snooks   Carlton   Derinallum   1991 57   Anthony McDonald   Carlton   Carlton   1991 78   Matthew Dickson   Carlton   Sandhurst   1991 79   Bevan Smillie   Carlton   Essendon   1991 2   James Cook   Carlton   North Hobart   1990 7   Damian Hampson   Carlton   Subiaco   1990 31   Nick Faull   Carlton   Golden Point   1990 59   Cameron James   Carlton   Morwell   1990 73   Anthony McDonald   Carlton   Ballarat YCW   1990 87   Danny Morgan   Carlton   Boolarra   1990 7   Stephen Edgar   Carlton   East Fremantle   1989 21   Peter Joseph Doyle   Carlton   Union   1989 35   Chris Bond   Carlton   North Hobart   1989 53   Derek Coghlan   Carlton   Lemnos   1989 67   Ben Judd   Carlton   Sturt   1989 81   Sam Gross   Carlton   Boort   1989 95   Jeremy Smith   Carlton   Sandy Bay   1989 109   Colin Corkery   Carlton   Ireland   1989 40   Glenn Johnston   Carlton   North Launceston   1988 54   Michael Sexton   Carlton   Sandhurst   1988 68   Grant Povey   Carlton   Claremont   1988 82   Anthony Loone   Carlton   Deloraine   1988 96   Michael James   Carlton   St Pats College, Ballarat   1988 110   Chris Mulcair   Carlton   Marist Brothers, Bendigo   1988 13   Peter Bubner   Carlton   Central District   1987 26   Steven Oliver   Carlton   Castlemaine   1987 39   David Kernahan   Carlton   Glenelg   1987 52   Stephen Gemmill   Carlton   Cobram   1987 65   Dean Adams   Carlton   Shepparton   1987 12   Domenic Fotia   Carlton   West Torrens   1986 25   Doug Smart   Carlton   North Adelaide   1986 38   Simon Minton-Connell   Carlton   North Hobart   1986 51   Andrew Herring   Carlton   Wynyard   1986 64   Darren Newlan   Carlton   Golden Square   1986

Lucky we were decent at recruiting off the rookie draft. That kept us going for a short but non-sustainable period. Even brought us temporary success for about 4-5 years but hard to make that last if you don't draft off the main list well.

Lucky we were decent at recruiting off the rookie draft. That kept us going for a short but non-sustainable period. Even brought us temporary success for about 4-5 years but hard to make that last if you don't draft off the main list well.

2015 and 16 look OK but even in Cripps year our other draft selections were busts, as were our second and third rounders when we drafted Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer back in the day and our 2014 effort when we swapped pick 7 for a bunch of spuds. .
It's almost as if it was deliberate, we probably could have done better with a dart board.

2015 and 16 look OK but even in Cripps year our other draft selections were busts, as were our second and third rounders when we drafted Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer back in the day and our 2014 effort when we swapped pick 7 for a bunch of spuds. .
It's almost as if it was deliberate, we probably could have done better with a dart board.

Yes, flags are won by what you do with your 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks, not so much your first as you expect most clubs to get that right.

Yes, flags are won by what you do with your 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks, not so much your first as you expect most clubs to get that right.

Very true.

And Levi. Below is a horror story Table of every player we have ever drafted.
[/quote] Those in red I consider serious errors.

If we've lost our fight, then Rowe is the man to give it back! ;)

2015 and 16 look OK but even in Cripps year our other draft selections were busts, as were our second and third rounders when we drafted Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer back in the day and our 2014 effort when we swapped pick 7 for a bunch of spuds. .
It's almost as if it was deliberate, we probably could have done better with a dart board.

Their were gags running around the recruiting circles that Carltons recruitment plan should be obtained at all costs to determine who not to pick. Recruiters at others tables literally laughed out loud when we selected Boeky at 19.

Recruiters at others tables literally laughed out loud when we selected Boeky at 19.

As a long time supporter I can recall watching Luke Livingstone in his early games and wondering what on earth we saw in him to justify pick 4, I also remember Hampson's first few games and thinking to myself that I'd never seen a player at that level with so little clue about the game and how to play it.
Watson was slow, not particularly big and hopeless below his knees, Lucas was a wide runner with poor foot skills and the less said about Bootsma the better.
Taken in that context the Boekhorst selection makes perfect sense, but bear in mind that Boekhorst was only 9 or so picks higher than Vojo Rainbow who never looked remotely likely to play a senior game, so in the great cavalcade of Carlton draft blunders Boekhorst is fairly middling.

Watching the VFL, you would think Rowe and Phillips were a soda to come in, especially in a week we need to deal with Naitanui and Kennedy.

Reading Fraser's review, you'd think it was a soda that Rowe and Phillips come in, especially in the week that we have to deal with Naitanui and Kennedy.

But with our MC, I've no fecking idea, they'll probably promote Le Bois and Polson!

We need more grunt around the contest, whether Kerridge can provide it is debatable but I don't think we need lumbering types like Rowe and Phillips.

Watching the VFL, you would think Rowe and Phillips were a soda to come in, especially in a week we need to deal with Naitanui and Kennedy.

Reading Fraser's review, you'd think it was a soda that Rowe and Phillips come in, especially in the week that we have to deal with Naitanui and Kennedy.

But with our MC, I've no fecking idea, they'll probably promote Le Bois and Polson!

While I think Phillips is a monty based on Kreuzer's fitness, I really hope Rowe isn't called up. Never been a fan of his and from what I saw on Sunday he didn't fill me with any great confidence that he was ready for a return. Had to laugh at the Le Bois Polson comment, I actually thought Polson was better last week and Le Bois was getting plenty of the ball that I saw.

The one positive I found from Polson 2 weeks ago was his tackling. He seemed hard at it the opposition and made a couple stick, whereas we all know most of our guys are jumper pullers at best.

The one positive I found from Polson 2 weeks ago was his tackling. He seemed hard at it the opposition and made a couple stick, whereas we all know most of our guys are jumper pullers at best.

Fair points....we lack small defenders and your comment on jumper pullers is one the money, maybe he could have a role as a small defender and learn the craft down back, its not like we have many options in this area..

I reckon long-term Polson will be a player,  but not senior level yet.

The one positive I found from Polson 2 weeks ago was his tackling. He seemed hard at it the opposition and made a couple stick, whereas we all know most of our guys are jumper pullers at best.

Agree.

I got some backlash for suggesting Polson was #1 on the delist list in the off-season. Personally i just didn't see many positives with him.

His effort was pretty good. He is still miles behind the game in terms of picking up the speed of it, but you expect that only playing a few games.

While I think Phillips is a monty based on Kreuzer's fitness, I really hope Rowe isn't called up. Never been a fan of his and from what I saw on Sunday he didn't fill me with any great confidence that he was ready for a return. Had to laugh at the Le Bois Polson comment, I actually thought Polson was better last week and Le Bois was getting plenty of the ball that I saw.

I can tell you now that Rowe is playing, Kreuzer's not and think they said Kennedy is out too. I wouldn't mind Alex Silvagni playing too when he's fit.

4 of our top 5 from last year's B & F aren't playing. Of course Gibbs is gone and Docherty is out for the year, but it's a fair bit of ability at the top end.

In

Sam Rowe, Sam Kerridge, Jed Lamb, Harry McKay, Andrew Phillips

Out

Jacob Weitering (Injured), David Cuningham (Omitted), Nick Graham (Omitted), Matthew Kennedy (Injured), Matthew Kreuzer (Injured)

Cunningham omitted, fmd, the bloke needs continuity, not even an emergency & there is no VFL game this week so he doesn’t play anywhere???????? Finally Harry gets a gig, but he’ll be omitted after 1 game , just watch and see! Was thinking of going, but the longer the week has gone, the less interested I became, particularly given the start time.

B: Plowman, Jones, Mullett

HB: O’Shea, Rowe, Simpson

C: Fisher, Dow, Kerridge

HF: Lamb, Casboult, Curnow

F: McKay, Curnow, Wright

FOLL: Phillips, Cripps, Petrevski-Seton

I/C: O’Brien, Garlett, Thomas, Silvagni

EMG: Kerr, Shaw, Graham, Lebois

IN: Rowe, Kerridge, Lamb, McKay, Phillips

OUT: Cuningham, Weitering, Kennedy, Kreuzer, Graham

Mullet gets a game and Cunningham is omitted. Bolton is a muppet

With Harry and Levi in I'd say Charlie is going to play alot more midfield.

Cunningham omitted, fmd, the bloke needs continuity, not even an emergency & there is no VFL game this week so he doesn’t play anywhere???????? Finally Harry gets a gig, but he’ll be omitted after 1 game , just watch and see! Was thinking of going, but the longer the week has gone, the less interested I became, particularly given the start time.

Surprised myself by Cunningham's omission tbh. He was far from our worst imo. Anyway..........

Cuningham must be doing something or not doing something that we can't see or don't know about, has to be not following coaches instructions or something similar

Just looking at the nett changes, and taking into account late out of Murphy last week, I;m concerned we're going to be too slow and too tall

I'd like Cunningham ahead of Mullet, Alex Silvagni ahead of O'Shea but he's probably not ready, and Marchbank ahead of Jones if he wasn't injured. Defence would look better and quicker.

At some stage or another, our MC and coaching panel are going to have to put their ego aside and play talent. Cunningham omission is quite frustrating. As a member, I would like to know what benefit there is by not allowing cunners to string 5-6 games together.
It just seems that we have all this talent but don’t have them playing in their positions

If we don't score do we have to drop our dacks?

If we don't score do we have to drop our dacks?

As long as you lead off...lol.

Mullet gets a game and Cunningham is omitted. Bolton is a muppet

Seems a bit of a whipping boy is Cuningham, thought he went ok vs Nth and was better than most, Mullet isnt contributing much
and looks out of his depth having to defend, rather than just accumulate easy receives...
Kruezer out is going to hurt us given NitWits form....Weitering injured or dropped? or is too hard to drop a No 1 pick...

Just looking at the nett changes, and taking into account late out of Murphy last week, I;m concerned we're going to be too slow and too tall

Not too dissimilar to the Richmond game...

Feel sorry for Phillips, been injured forever, finally gets a crack and has to come up against NicNat in career best form

Seems a bit of a whipping boy is Cuningham, thought he went ok vs Nth and was better than most, Mullet isnt contributing much
and looks out of his depth having to defend, rather than just accumulate easy receives...
Kruezer out is going to hurt us given NitWits form....Weitering injured or dropped? or is too hard to drop a No 1 pick...

I worry about weitering. I fear we may break him. A couple of weeks rest and a plan to bring him back as an intercept defender will do him a lot of good.
I hate the Cunningham omission

I worry about weitering. I fear we may break him. A couple of weeks rest and a plan to bring him back as an intercept defender will do him a lot of good.
I hate the Cunningham omission

Agree on Weitering I reckon he may be injured mentally and emotionally rather than anything physical and I like your idea of a couple of weeks rest, maybe even 3-4 just to get him
keen and relaxed. Might even work him back by the NB's so he is say coming off a good game before he plays seniors again.....
Cuningham is another mystifying MC non selection....

Agree on Weitering I reckon he may be injured mentally and emotionally rather than anything physical and I like your idea of a couple of weeks rest, maybe even 3-4 just to get him
keen and relaxed. Might even work him back by the NB's so he is say coming off a good game before he plays seniors again.....
Cuningham is another mystifying MC non selection....

Apparently Weitering has a bad corkie.

Either JK will kick 8, or we will be jag a very surprise victory.

CARLTON
B: Lachie Plowman, Liam Jones, Aaron Mullett
HB: Cameron O'Shea, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson
C: Zac Fisher, Paddy Dow, Sam Kerridge
HF: Jed Lamb, Levi Casboult, Ed Curnow
F: Harry McKay, Charlie Curnow, Matthew Wright
R: Andrew Phillips, Patrick Cripps, Sam Petrevski-Seton
Int: Lochie O'Brien, Jarrod Garlett, Dale Thomas, Jack Silvagni

EMG: Pat Kerr, Matt Shaw, Nick Graham, Kym Lebois

I don't know what Cuningham did wrong. His first half last week wasn't bad at all. He offered nothing on the forward line, but it did have to get there.

WEST COAST EAGLES
B: Shannon Hurn, Tom Barrass, Brad Sheppard
HB: Lewis Jetta, Jeremy McGovern, Liam Duggan
C: Dom Sheed, Luke Shuey, Chris Masten
HF: Jamie Cripps, Jack Darling, Mark LeCras
F: Jake Waterman, Josh J. Kennedy, Scott Lycett
R: Nic Naitanui, Elliot Yeo, Andrew Gaff
Int: Jack Redden, Jackson Nelson, Mark Hutchings, William Rioli

EMG: Jack Petruccelle, Francis Watson, Thomas Cole, Will Schofield

I don't like having Phillips up against NicNat, but ...  I'm not sure either he or Rowe is 100% match fit, but they are named. Kerridge should have been in last week.

I am not confident at all.  :( :( :'(

CARLTON
B: Lachie Plowman, Liam Jones, Aaron Mullett
HB: Cameron O'Shea, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson
C: Zac Fisher, Paddy Dow, Sam Kerridge
HF: Jed Lamb, Levi Casboult, Ed Curnow
F: Harry McKay, Charlie Curnow, Matthew Wright
R: Andrew Phillips, Patrick Cripps, Sam Petrevski-Seton
Int: Lochie O'Brien, Jarrod Garlett, Dale Thomas, Jack Silvagni

EMG: Pat Kerr, Matt Shaw, Nick Graham, Kym Lebois

I don't know what Cuningham did wrong. His first half last week wasn't bad at all. He offered nothing on the forward line, but it did have to get there.

WEST COAST EAGLES
B: Shannon Hurn, Tom Barrass, Brad Sheppard
HB: Lewis Jetta, Jeremy McGovern, Liam Duggan
C: Dom Sheed, Luke Shuey, Chris Masten
HF: Jamie Cripps, Jack Darling, Mark LeCras
F: Jake Waterman, Josh J. Kennedy, Scott Lycett
R: Nic Naitanui, Elliot Yeo, Andrew Gaff
Int: Jack Redden, Jackson Nelson, Mark Hutchings, William Rioli

EMG: Jack Petruccelle, Francis Watson, Thomas Cole, Will Schofield

I don't like having Phillips up against NicNat, but ...  I'm not sure either he or Rowe is 100% match fit, but they are named. Kerridge should have been in last week.

I am not confident at all.  :( :( :'(

WC look small down back, we have the one extra tall unless they include Schofield at the last minute......Luke Shuey usually does a number on us so he needs a tag for the day.
McGovern vs Charlie C should be a decent battle in the air....
I'm not convinced WC are that good and while they have a potent forward line and good rucks I actually think we can kick a few goals against this mob and are a chance.......Blues by 5 points...

I don't know what Cuningham did wrong. His first half last week wasn't bad at all. He offered nothing on the forward line, but it did have to get there.

I agree, Cuningham wasn’t our worst by a long shot.

I guess it’s an opportunity for Phillips and McKay ... and it’s interesting that Kerr is named as an emergency.  I guess that reflects Fraser’s assessment of his efforts with the NBs.

I thought MK and MK returned from injury prematurely, so I'm frustrated but not surprised they are out.
I commented last week that Weiters had limped for a lot of the game. I hope he rests up and comes back with strength and determination.
Graham was a no brainer. Love his endeavor but it's not enough for this level.
As for Cunningham, I just don't understand his ommission  ??? I thought he'd been building steadily. Obviously I got that very wrong.

I sincerely hope Rowe is ready! All the best to Sam.
Harry finally gets a gig. Nothing much to lose there IMO.
All the best to Phillips on his return. He'll get smashed my NN. Hopefully he gets a mark or two down forward.
If Sam Kerridge can match his form from last year's later rounds, he'll be a wise inclusion.

I think we'll get belted and help WC improve their confidence playing @ MCG. I hope I'm proven wrong though.

Go Blues

Bolton said he wants the kids to play together....but drops cuningham.
Bolton said Harry isn't ready and wants him to prove himself...but picks him despite an ordinary showing.

Makes sense.

WC look small down back, we have the one extra tall unless they include Schofield at the last minute......Luke Shuey usually does a number on us so he needs a tag for the day.
McGovern vs Charlie C should be a decent battle in the air....
I'm not convinced WC are that good and while they have a potent forward line and good rucks I actually think we can kick a few goals against this mob and are a chance.......Blues by 5 points...

You are either a genius or a nutcase, either way I love your work ;)

Cuningham is the captain of frustration or teasing. His good is very good and he really does excite from time to time but he is such a liability when he has one of those many fade outs/lapses during games... and he does it in every game he plays - just goes missing, not to mention his defensive game is cause for concern.

I gave him a vote after the last game because of his 'glimpses', they are special. In an ideal world, he'd be an outside mid / half forward... but at present, even with his highly skilled moments, his big lapses make him a luxury we can't afford.

This side looks better, more in-form blokes. 2 blokes carrying injuries -- Kreuzer/Kennedy -- and 1 bloke's head not right -- Weitering -- are out of the side. Good. They all need to get themselves right.

Disappointed H got the nod in front of Kerr, who has shown better form in the twos. I wonder if we're playing H just to shut everyone up. Boy I hope he shows something. But might as well experiment, nothing to lose... so to speak.

With more experienced blokes coming in you'd expect us to be beaten by around 50 pts instead of around 90 pts.

You are either a genius or a nutcase, either way I love your work ;)

Cheers GTC, look its a stretch looking for positives but I really believe WC are a flakey team that we can do well against and
they may take us a bit easy and we can cause an upset.......you are right I must be a nutcase :P :-X,

Cheers GTC, look its a stretch looking for positives but I really believe WC are a flakey team that we can do well against and
they may take us a bit easy and we can cause an upset.......you are right I must be a nutcase :P :-X,

West Coast don't play well at the G....so we must be some kind of a chance. Maybe not half a chance, but a quarter of a chance?

West Coast don't play well at the G....so we must be some kind of a chance. Maybe not half a chance, but a quarter of a chance?

Thats probably the right odds....

Cuningham is the captain of frustration or teasing. His good is very good and he really does excite from time to time but he is such a liability when he has one of those many fade outs/lapses during games... and he does it in every game he plays - just goes missing, not to mention his defensive game is cause for concern.

I gave him a vote after the last game because of his 'glimpses', they are special. In an ideal world, he'd be an outside mid / half forward... but at present, even with his highly skilled moments, his big lapses make him a luxury we can't afford.

This side looks better, more in-form blokes. 2 blokes carrying injuries -- Kreuzer/Kennedy -- and 1 bloke's head not right -- Weitering -- are out of the side. Good. They all need to get themselves right.

Disappointed H got the nod in front of Kerr, who has shown better form in the twos. I wonder if we're playing H just to shut everyone up. Boy I hope he shows something. But might as well experiment, nothing to lose... so to speak.

With more experienced blokes coming in you'd expect us to be beaten by around 50 pts instead of around 90 pts.

Agree on Harry, reckon thats a media get off my back about Harry selection.....if he does great then "I am a genius", if he fails bad then its "I told you so"....
Kerr should get a game in the next couple of weeks, might be exciting seeing them both play together with a young bloke called Jack.....

Bolton said he wants the kids to play together....but drops cuningham.
Bolton said Harry isn't ready and wants him to prove himself...but picks him despite an ordinary showing.

Makes sense.

Not his finest moments.

I'm hoping he's doing with Cunningham what he did with jsos. 

Dropped to learn another role and then brought back quickly enough.

Unfortunately, we're still at the level where even against a middling team like the Cokers, we need too many fuzzy factors going our way - a couple of their players not in the team, JK has a night to forget, they don't play well at the G, Curnow or Harry or Levi play a blinder, rub of the green from the umps etc.

Failing a win, I'd settle for an honorable loss.

Failing a win, I'd settle for an honorable loss.

I'd settle for anything less than 50 points, but I don't like my chances.  :'(

West Coast don't play well at the G....so we must be some kind of a chance. Maybe not half a chance, but a quarter of a chance?

Does that mean we'll play one good quarter, drop off and lose the rest?

How McKay gets a game in front of Kerr escapes me.  I get the feeling the club has been pressured into this,  but it is time to see what he's made of - good luck to him. 

What we don't want to do is catastrophize.

How McKay gets a game in front of Kerr escapes me.  I get the feeling the club has been pressured into this,  but it is time to see what he's made of - good luck to him.

Strange selection indeed. Lets see what happens, good luck young man, take your chances and make the spot yours.

That’s one of the worst Carlton sides for 30 years - we’ll get absolutely hammered. VFL side.

Blues by 20.

Thats probably the right odds....

I've tipped the Cokers so we'll probably squeak in!

How McKay gets a game in front of Kerr escapes me.  I get the feeling the club has been pressured into this,  but it is time to see what he's made of - good luck to him.

Feels like that but I am looking forward to seeing him get a go. As you say, good luck to him.

How McKay gets a game in front of Kerr escapes me.  I get the feeling the club has been pressured into this,  but it is time to see what he's made of - good luck to him.

Me too Prof.

Now that Harry's there though, nothing would please me more than seeing him grab the chance and do well.
Kerr will get his chance soon.

Seeing the players in this weeks Teague Mic'd up video I didn't notice Kerr training.

Good thing though, spirits seem high, that is what is needed, put the past to bed move forward as quickly as possible let the coaches deal with the potholes and fractures.

One thing BB can do at pressers is start deflecting questions about past results and rephrase answers to discuss the next game, it's dead-set easy to do as long as you are thinking straight. It'll initially annoy the hell out of the media, but eventually it will turn him into a top priority interview target like MM, they'll go to him first even when we do not win as they think of it as a challenge!

That will help remove the pressure from the players and coaches and set the tone for the week, then you won't frequently get weak minded media mongrels hack away at the team all week long, like this week Niall folded under pressure and slipped into the lowbrow cheap seat spin publishing articles about how Gibbs is flying right next to articles about Kreuzer's injury. He's obviously under pressure from above, or has had a bad week in the ratings!

It astounds me that so many people on this site have the same thoughts on our selections and yet the MC make changes that are bamboozling at best. What a joke. Cunningham out, Mullett survives pffffft. I've got a feeling that Josh Kennedy will kick more goals than out entire team. We have zero chance of winning this one.

It astounds me that so many people on this site have the same thoughts on our selections and yet the MC make changes that are bamboozling at best. What a joke. Cunningham out, Mullett survives pffffft. I've got a feeling that Josh Kennedy will kick more goals than out entire team. We have zero chance of winning this one.

They seem strange to us no doubt....but we have to take into account that they are making these selections with much greater information than we have in terms of the players physical condition, the plans for the development of individual players... and also the greater (long term) team plans.

It may be that Cunningham was always scheduled to miss this round as part of a rotation.
It may be that they want tor try a different combination or match tactic.
Perish the thought...but there may even be some players being used as "cannon fodder". They'll hold down a senior place until a younger player is ready to step up. They're not part of the long term plan but they provide a bit of experience and a bigger body in the short term.

A gutsy approach....sacrificing results, or at least a good showing, against development.
I have to believe that the coaching group /list management/match committee are  holding firm and sticking to a plan despite the outside noise.
Because the alternative is..."They haven't got a clue and are just winging it... hoping it will come good!"

Agree Lods. The MC are human, and will stuff it up from time to time. But surely not week after week after week ? I'm sure they know enough about football to see what we see, plus a whole lot more.

Agree Lods. The MC are human, and will stuff it up from time to time. But surely not week after week after week ? I'm sure they know enough about football to see what we see, plus a whole lot more.

And that, my friend, is why they are the match committee and we are restricted to expressing opinions on a footy forum   :)

the perfect scenario for a "rocky" win. Back against the wall, senior players out, opponent that thinks they cant lose yet play mcg poorly. We're a chance! The young kids have one game in them every season where they play out of their skin. Last year was GWS, this could be another one

Given the changes I expect a significant switch in game plan.

Which makes McKay's selection even more bizarre because he is likely to be starved of opportunity in what could be a dour low scoring flooding affair! You'd think McKay's presence demands attacking fast ball movement.

I suspect Kerr must have a niggle, we may never know because the NBs have a bye this week.

Cuningham not playing and being omitted is a bloody down right disgrace! Of the highest order!!! Is this a joke by Bolton and his match committee? Are they taking the p!ss? Am I missing something here? He has not even been named as an emergency! Bolton is having a lend surely?!

Otherwise, the other changes were exactly how I went mid week when speaking with a mate.

Think, we must play more man on man, keepings off, possession football. We are not ready for this 'free wheeling' attacking offense style of footy that Bolton has been romanced into by the media over summer. Talk about being persuaded by outside noise!

And last week, Harry McKay was not ready according to Bolton and not going to be gifted a senior AFL game. Then due to the out pouring of emotion from fans and jounos that Bolton must play him, from during the week, then what happens? McKay in. Bowing to public pressure again.

Look, I want McKay in but I can not have a senior coach bloody well bowing to public pressure, fans on talkback and wankers like Robbo taking king hits at us every single bloody day. Feel there is some flipping going on with Bolton and the match committee.

By the way, that 'double page spread' in the HS on Tuesday was absolute sh1T. Is that Cavanagh bloke actually being paid money fore listing players? Surely that was the work of a year 4 student with an AFL Record in front of him/her. He literally just listed them with Super Coach points or some such rubbish next to their names. Hahahahahaha! Joke yet again by the worst media outlet in Australia. Though, what do you expect when your Head of Football writing is Mark Robinson! Really, anyone could list who we drafted/traded with no actual story or being able to articulate any point or view on the player listings. Incredible 'journalism' right there! Wow!

Also, where in the world is Cain Liddle? Is he still our CEO at Carlton? Can't believe the little amount of strong leadership going on down there! Scary!

There, rant over!   ;) ;D

Sorry Lods, I don't buy some rotation scheme,  sounds too organised for our mob.   SPS,  Willow,  Writers all played last year if available,  can't see that changing this year unless they are injured or firm is poor.

I suspect Cunners  has been dropped to teach him consistentcy in workmate - hope he gets the message because he can play.

If Bolton's feeling any pressure he's handling it pretty well...even taking the piss out of himself with the McKay stuff ;D

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-04-20/bolton-previews-west-coast-clash

Nick Graham must be feeling absolutely stooged.

Imagine coming in at the last possible moment for Marc Murphy, and then dropped a week later.

If he's feeling any pressure he's handling it pretty well...even taking the piss out of himself with the McKay stuff ;D

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-04-20/bolton-previews-west-coast-clash

Whatever it is that's going on in the club and what the dynamics may be, it seems that, OK the club would dearly love a win, but player development and further "list management" are priorities for this year.

If he's feeling any pressure he's handling it pretty well...even taking the piss out of himself with the McKay stuff ;D

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-04-20/bolton-previews-west-coast-clash

Just had a listen - he sounds exactly like he does in his post match pressers, which is fine with me. Still not seeing a problem.

I wish the club would make audio only links available for download because our corporate network security blocks streaming.

We can download video and audio files and play them, but we cannot stream videos, we can sometimes stream audio.

Seems odd but that is the way it works, I wonder if others have similar issues! Allegedly it is to do with bandwidth, people walk away from their workstation and leave videos streaming which destroys the bandwidth for everybody else as each stream is unique. As opposed to downloading, which puts a file in the local server cache and everybody who listens to it gets the local security cleared version. Not sure if that is true, but it's how it was explained to me.

Now that McKay is in, what would we consider a pass make for him, come 7:10 tomorrow evening????

Now that McKay is in, what would we consider a pass make for him, come 7:10 tomorrow evening????

2 goals
10+ possessions
4 tackles
Plenty of 1%ers, one or two big shepherds.
Repeat leads, working his ar5e off between F50 and the wing
A run down tackle! ;D
Some highlights of his ground level ability.
Use of his bulk, make defenders nervous!

I know he can mark, I don't care if he clunks some or not as long as I see the stuff we lack, we have plenty of clunkers who give us NADA!

Effort, and nothing less.
I want to see him making leads (repeatedly, not just one offs), I want him chasing defensively and I want him moving in the forward 50 making room for others.
I don't care how many he kicks, if he isn't doing those things he won't make an impact longer term. If he is doing those things, and he has any ability, he will go alright long term.

I'd love nothing better than for McGovern or Naitanui to float into McKay's space and for the kid to turn them into a tackle bag / step ladder!

(https://i.imgflip.com/1yv6fb.jpg)

Something I haven't seen at Carlton since Fev pulled the pin!

I want some smart-ar5e Wet Toaster to get in McKay's face, and then I want McKay to Ragdoll the Toaster like the smart-ar5e is made of straw! I want McKay to show he's ready to go head to head with men!

Then I want him to inspire his team-mates to stand up and be counted!

I want McKay to put his Sticks Fevolution suit on and go out there and turn some Wet Toast flog into a ping pong ball, give us a reason to go to the footy again!

Let me leave the ground thinking I've watched some footy, not an U7s Girls Competitive Macramé practice match! I took the Girls reference out because some of those U7 Girls can be brutal, it's like they are tuning up for a gig on MKR!

Other than that, not much at all! ;D

Now that McKay is in, what would we consider a pass make for him, come 7:10 tomorrow evening????

Effort. It's a bit much expecting him to come in stone cold and turn it on.

Now that McKay is in, what would we consider a pass make for him, come 7:10 tomorrow evening????

The main  thing for him  is to give 100% for every second he is on the ground.

As deags said . . . . effort.

Agree Lods. The MC are human, and will stuff it up from time to time. But surely not week after week after week ? I'm sure they know enough about football to see what we see, plus a whole lot more.

I'm not so sure they do Paul, we are on the bottom for a reason and if they were employed in any other business field they would be unemployed now based on results....
IMO Mckay's promotion to the seniors had more to do with dealing with media pressure due to poor results than any great form in the NB's and Cuninghams demotion rates alongside Polson's promotion to the senior team a couple of weeks ago as mystifying at best...

Just watched BBs media conference, I know some might not agree but I reckon the bloke is a class act considering where we find ourselves... loved his gags about cliches, and why we relented and are playing H.

What else can he say other than what he said??!! The bloke is having to be the face for mass list turnover, unreasonable numbers of injured blokes, too many inexperienced blokes taking the field through necessity, flop recruits from other clubs and a marketing dept. Phew.

I think I feel better about the whole shemozzle we presently find ourselves in because I've dropped all expectation for 2018. Now all I want to see is effort. Fair dinkum pressure. Blooding, gradually, kids. Further improvement in recruits of the previous 2 years. And some anti-social ruthlessness which we showed in BBs first 2 years.

And Judge, McKay, SOS... about time you blokes took some of the heat as well rather than leaving it all to the coach and Juddy. How about you 3 showing some ticker and start speaking up (with conviction) re our situation and demonstrating some ridgy didge support for the senior coach/players. No time for wimps skulking around in the shadows... never was a strong, united and forceful message more needed than right fkn now from you three. So get off your flabby @rses and let the football world know how 'Bound By Blue' the club is, DEMONSTRATE it by confronting the media yourselves ...at least we'll then know that 'BBB' is more than a glib marketing slogan.

McKay’s selection isn’t that strange given the circumstances... any tall bloke with a pulse would be considered this week.

I'm not so sure they do Paul, we are on the bottom for a reason and if they were employed in any other business field they would be unemployed now based on results....
IMO Mckay's promotion to the seniors had more to do with dealing with media pressure due to poor results than any great form in the NB's and Cuninghams demotion rates alongside Polson's promotion to the senior team a couple of weeks ago as mystifying at best...

I've been a bit critical of how we're 'playing' this rebuild but if we're choosing teams based on media pressure we are well and truly stuffed.
Has there been a lot of media pressure for McKay to come in though?
Fans are probably split about 50/50 as to whether or not he should be played.... or really have to perform to earn a spot.

I'm not so sure they do Paul, we are on the bottom for a reason and if they were employed in any other business field they would be unemployed now based on results....
IMO Mckay's promotion to the seniors had more to do with dealing with media pressure due to poor results than any great form in the NB's and Cuninghams demotion rates alongside Polson's promotion to the senior team a couple of weeks ago as mystifying at best...

Bolton and SOS may well turn out to be spuds, but it's far too early to tell IMO. I think the points Bolton makes about kids with few games at AFL level, and also few games together, have merit. I also think his points about the extensive list changes creating unrest and a "Foreign Legion" type atmosphere also have merit. I will wait until we have some stability and kids with games under their belt before I make judgment.

I think about it in terms of someone who's had major surgery (a lot like our list). People come and look at the guy when he's all bandaged up, doped up on painkillers and in traction, and these people think the surgeon is crap because the guy looks awful, and looks worse than he did before surgery - without appreciating there's a stabilization and recuperation period ahead. IMO, we are now in that post operative, bandaged up phase.

At least that's what I'm hoping.

A damn good article on Fox Sports website this morning by Dunstall and Brereton comparing our rebuild to Hawthorns 2005 situation. Also Geelongs situation before they won their flag under bommer Thompson.

They both reckon we are on the right track and must keep goimg and it will all gel  in another year or so.

2020 we'll be playing finals if we get the next 2 recruiting periods right I reckon.
Major changes to coaching and recruiting staff now and we are another 5-10 years away.

Stick fat. We're on the way.

I've been a bit critical of how we're 'playing' this rebuild but if we're choosing teams based on media pressure we are well and truly stuffed.
Has there been a lot of media pressure for McKay to come in though?
Fans are probably split about 50/50 as to whether or not he should be played.... or really have to perform to earn a spot.

A simple question then if its not media pressure and not due to any great form in the NB's given our NB's watchers didn rate his game then why is he in the team??
Its a question Bolton gets asked about Harry every week after a loss, hows Harry Mckay going?...BB..he will play when he is ready

A simple question then if its not media pressure and not due to any great form in the NB's given our NB's watchers didn rate his game then why is he in the team??
Its a question Bolton gets asked about Harry every week after a loss, hows Harry Mckay going?...BB..he will play when he is ready

My theory...
Kreuzer out means he needs to be replaced by two for a break even...Phillips and McKay.
If Kreuzer plays Harry doesn't.
I'll repeat...if we're being pressured by media and supporters to select players we may as well give it up.
That is totally unacceptable!
I can't believe that...or I'm screwed! >:( :(

All i want for Harry is for him to hold his head up high all game.

I don't give a stuff if he gets donuts, as long as he doesn't drop his head and sook, he'll be better for it.

I'm not so sure they do Paul, we are on the bottom for a reason and if they were employed in any other business field they would be unemployed now based on results....
IMO Mckay's promotion to the seniors had more to do with dealing with media pressure due to poor results than any great form in the NB's and Cuninghams demotion rates alongside Polson's promotion to the senior team a couple of weeks ago as mystifying at best...

Might've been promoted to "take" Charlie's place as a key forward as we may put the latter in the midfield alot more give what we have lost.

A damn good article on Fox Sports website this morning by Dunstall and Brereton comparing our rebuild to Hawthorns 2005 situation. Also Geelongs situation before they won their flag under bommer Thompson.

They both reckon we are on the right track and must keep goimg and it will all gel  in another year or so.

2020 we'll be playing finals if we get the next 2 recruiting periods right I reckon.
Major changes to coaching and recruiting staff now and we are another 5-10 years away.

Stick fat. We're on the way.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dermott-brereton-and-jason-dunstall-say-carlton-fans-must-be-patient-with-their-young-team/news-story/7b1b9a875c81dc258afd957b7b55cfe8

A damn good article on Fox Sports website this morning by Dunstall and Brereton comparing our rebuild to Hawthorns 2005 situation. Also Geelongs situation before they won their flag under bommer Thompson.

They both reckon we are on the right track and must keep goimg and it will all gel  in another year or so.

2020 we'll be playing finals if we get the next 2 recruiting periods right I reckon.
Major changes to coaching and recruiting staff now and we are another 5-10 years away.

Stick fat. We're on the way.

Hear hear. Might get a little darker before the dawn, but the sun will come up IF we stay the course.

Cripps must have support soon or we will break him.

Cripps must have support soon or we will break him.

He's got some big shoulders...but there is a limit.
Definitely needs some assistance.

Just watched BBs media conference, I know some might not agree but I reckon the bloke is a class act considering where we find ourselves... loved his gags about cliches, and why we relented and are playing H.

What else can he say other than what he said??!! The bloke is having to be the face for mass list turnover, unreasonable numbers of injured blokes, too many inexperienced blokes taking the field through necessity, flop recruits from other clubs and a marketing dept. Phew.

I think I feel better about the whole shemozzle we presently find ourselves in because I've dropped all expectation for 2018. Now all I want to see is effort. Fair dinkum pressure. Blooding, gradually, kids. Further improvement in recruits of the previous 2 years. And some anti-social ruthlessness which we showed in BBs first 2 years.

And Judge, McKay, SOS... about time you blokes took some of the heat as well rather than leaving it all to the coach and Juddy. How about you 3 showing some ticker and start speaking up (with conviction) re our situation and demonstrating some ridgy didge support for the senior coach/players. No time for wimps skulking around in the shadows... never was a strong, united and forceful message more needed than right fkn now from you three. So get off your flabby @rses and let the football world know how 'Bound By Blue' the club is, DEMONSTRATE it by confronting the media yourselves ...at least we'll then know that 'BBB' is more than a glib marketing slogan.

You’re right about it being time for the club heavyweights to step up.  Juddy did his bit but it would be good to get some reinforcement from the Judge and co.

David Teague’s performance while miked up at training was interesting.  It gave me the impression that everything is proceeding as expected.  I particularly liked his banter with Harry about the contest with brother Ben.

Where has Liddle been the past month?   The previous incumbent would have been on SEN spruiking etc.  Needs to be front and square during these hard times,  deflecting media heat etc

Where has Liddle been the past month?   The previous incumbent would have been on SEN spruiking etc.  Needs to be front and square during these hard times,  deflecting media heat etc

In his box fixing crap hopefully.

Just watched BBs media conference, I know some might not agree but I reckon the bloke is a class act considering where we find ourselves... loved his gags about cliches, and why we relented and are playing H.

What else can he say other than what he said??!! The bloke is having to be the face for mass list turnover, unreasonable numbers of injured blokes, too many inexperienced blokes taking the field through necessity, flop recruits from other clubs and a marketing dept. Phew.

I think I feel better about the whole shemozzle we presently find ourselves in because I've dropped all expectation for 2018. Now all I want to see is effort. Fair dinkum pressure. Blooding, gradually, kids. Further improvement in recruits of the previous 2 years. And some anti-social ruthlessness which we showed in BBs first 2 years.

And Judge, McKay, SOS... about time you blokes took some of the heat as well rather than leaving it all to the coach and Juddy. How about you 3 showing some ticker and start speaking up (with conviction) re our situation and demonstrating some ridgy didge support for the senior coach/players. No time for wimps skulking around in the shadows... never was a strong, united and forceful message more needed than right fkn now from you three. So get off your flabby @rses and let the football world know how 'Bound By Blue' the club is, DEMONSTRATE it by confronting the media yourselves ...at least we'll then know that 'BBB' is more than a glib marketing slogan.

yep

A simple question then if its not media pressure and not due to any great form in the NB's given our NB's watchers didn rate his game then why is he in the team??
Its a question Bolton gets asked about Harry every week after a loss, hows Harry Mckay going?...BB..he will play when he is ready

explained in his presser, don’t know what else people expect. The cynics and negative nellies will say it’s a media pressure based selection which I think is a load of cods wallop. Trust the process.

All i want for Harry is for him to hold his head up high all game.

I don't give a stuff if he gets donuts, as long as he doesn't drop his head and sook, he'll be better for it.

x2

Personally I don't want to listen to any more words, platitudes, cliches, management speak, excuses, pat phrases etc etc. I'm not interested in what Macca, The Judge, Liddle or anyone in the media have to SAY. I'm tired of WORDS. I am happy now to watch how the boys GO and hopefully witness some positive development and improvement over the rest ofthe year and even snag a few wins.

This was copied from a Carlton supporter.....

Clarkos first 44 games as coach... 14 wins
Bolts first 44 games as coach... 13 wins.
GWS first 66 games.. 9 wins

*48 games into our 66 game rebuild and we are already 4 wins ahead of the Giants with 18 games to come.
We need to be patient guys!????
I know most 'BlueBaggers' can see the overall picture but a small minority are struggling to keep the faith and threatening to derail things we the call for Bolts sacking .
His intellectual property far outweighs any of you who are calling for his head. I trust him over you any day...

GO BLUES!

#BELIEVE
#BoundByBlue

This was copied from a Carlton supporter.....

Clarkos first 44 games as coach... 14 wins
Bolts first 44 games as coach... 13 wins.
GWS first 66 games.. 9 wins

*48 games into our 66 game rebuild and we are already 4 wins ahead of the Giants with 18 games to come.
We need to be patient guys!????
I know most 'BlueBaggers' can see the overall picture but a small minority are struggling to keep the faith and threatening to derail things we the call for Bolts sacking .
His intellectual property far outweighs any of you who are calling for his head. I trust him over you any day...

GO BLUES!

#BELIEVE
#BoundByBlue

Couldnt have said that any better myself :D

We have won zero games this year, we need to break the duck otherwise the pressure will keep building.

This was copied from a Carlton supporter.....

Clarkos first 44 games as coach... 14 wins
Bolts first 44 games as coach... 13 wins.

There will be very little criticism if Bolton wins 30/44 as Clarkson did in his next two years. ;)
...plus the 4/5 finals and the flag :D

We have won zero games this year, we need to break the duck otherwise the pressure will keep building.

A good time to do that - Today!  :D