Read for next weekend. I hope to be ready, but I'm organized if I'm not.
Hoping this thread is to celebrate our first win for the season.
Use this one now guys.
My sanity and liver can’t take much more of these signs though. If we’d had a respectable second quarter and lost I may have coped, but this was more proof we’re not on track.
Yes, I appreciate that it seems like a never ending rebuild. And it may indeed end up being that. But this year (to me at least) already feels like an improvement from last year. Even the ball movement in the 1stq and other times in the match are signs of improvement IMO. Our list this year is better than last year etc.
To answer professor, sorry if Murphy can't tackle then he needs to go now.
Bring in another Gibbons who will put in 100% and free up the cap for an actual gun not a former one.
Thought we would win as I dont rate Port but Weitering stood up, Cripps was his usual self, Harry's marking was great, McGovern contributed, SPS had a decent game and I'll even credit my whipping boy Polson witha good goal and he made a good tackle or two as well and wasnt our worst.
Philips was handy but Lycett and Ryder wore him down...Ports kids surprised as well....Butters, Rozee and Dursma are not a bad pickup......
Tough in the wet and the Port bigger bodies helped...Motlop's class finishing was part of the difference as well....
Losing Charlie hurt us more than Port losing Amon and Watts, we lost structure and it will be interesting how Bolton structures the team vs the Swans next week....
I dont see him being sacked this season either....think we need to acknowledge the comp is tighter than we thought and other teams have improved more than we envisaged...
At this rate we’ll struggle to keep Crippa at the club. 2 weeks now we have been overrun by a side with a player less than us in the last qtr. Simply out coached. Bolton May be a great development coach, and yes I can see the improvement in the players, our game plan is simply not good enough. We are consistently the prey, the hunted, instead of being the hunters.
I was against getting rid of Ratten and I wouldn’t be against offering Ratten the job again.
This all all good against decent sides. We do it often. It's only ok though if we beat the sides we should. Issue is we don't.
Thought we would win as I dont rate Port but Weitering stood up, Cripps was his usual self, Harry's marking was great, McGovern contributed, SPS had a decent game and I'll even credit my whipping boy Polson witha good goal and he made a good tackle or two as well and wasnt our worst.
Philips was handy but Lycett and Ryder wore him down...Ports kids surprised as well....Butters, Rozee and Dursma are not a bad pickup......
Tough in the wet and the Port bigger bodies helped...Motlop's class finishing was part of the difference as well....
Losing Charlie hurt us more than Port losing Amon and Watts, we lost structure and it will be interesting how Bolton structures the team vs the Swans next week....
I dont see him being sacked this season either....think we need to acknowledge the comp is tighter than we thought and other teams have improved more than we envisaged...
Yep.
This sums it up. We were ok for a young side.
The problem I'm seeing is that Walsh is already gone past many a seasoned player in our team.
He's a first year player.
Have we molly coddled too many?
Or is lack of competition for sports an issue.?
5 successive Carltin matches from Europe, 5 losses. Best I get home...lol.
Yep.
This sums it up. We were ok for a young side.
The problem I'm seeing is that Walsh is already gone past many a seasoned player in our team.
He's a first year player.
Have we molly coddled too many?
Or is lack of competition for sports an issue.?
Just the difference between a genuine young gun and ordinary AFL footballers.
SPS spent a lot of time as a defender today for menI think itbwas his best game I have seen him play. We stuck at it but Port just too mature and strong for us. Encouraged by our efforts but was the rain the great leveller?
SPS is a class player and will get better.
Murphy and Simpson are holding us back. Time to chop the dead wood.
I hate Port, I hate losing, I hate every team we lose to.
Therefore I hate 17 other teams >:D >:(
Samo played 3 quarters of an excellent game. Went completely missing for 1 quarter there.
Jeeeeeeeeez..... those umpires.
Plowman gets position on Ebert in the goalsquare - no worries - just grab his jumper and throw him out of the way. Goal.
Harry looks like touching his opponent in the ruck - goal.
At least 3 more but those were blatant.
Gov burned Harry in the square once and Polson snapped when Walsh had a set shot from 30m straight in front.
One that got away.
SPS is a class player and will get better.
Murphy and Simpson are holding us back. Time to chop the dead wood.
Plowman did so well keeping Gray quiet but was a complete liability at other times. Ducked his head and dropped an easy mark early - pathetic.
I reckon we are still carrying around 5 (Garlett, Fasolo, Murphy, Gibbons & Simpson). Thought we fought it out to the end. The 2nd quarter cost us dearly. At least the drug cheats lost again. Makes our loss a little less painful.
SPS is a class player and will get better.
Murphy and Simpson are holding us back. Time to chop the dead wood.
Cmon mate, enough.
Murphy may not be an elite talent, but he is better than any blokes in position 23-46 at the club, and thus he stays in the side. I don't care if we use him exclusively as a FP, but chopping them solves nothing.
Simpson coming under fire is even more laughable. Talk about heart and soul. Bloke never dies wondering and never stops running. He might have his deficiencies, but i'd prefer to have 22 Simmos in the side than just about any other side of 22 'player x' from our list.
At his age, we shouldn't be relying on him so much, but you can't tell him to ease up as he only has 1 gear, flat out.
Ed Curnow should be shown the door before those 2. I hope he is carrying an injury or 4, because if this is what we can expect from here, i worry for his spot in the side. He should be in his prime.
and I'll even credit my whipping boy Polson witha good goal and he made a good tackle or two as well and wasnt our worst.
Good post.
Set up 2 more goals with good handballs under pressure.
Almost made it into the top half of our possession getters with 14. His best game... though some glaring errors.
The Plowman dilemma - too small to be a tall defender, too slow to be a half back.
Sure he tries, but so do I. And I’m not playing in the AFL.
I reckon we are still carrying around 5 (Garlett, Fasolo, Murphy, Gibbons & Simpson). Thought we fought it out to the end. The 2nd quarter cost us dearly. At least the drug cheats lost again. Makes our loss a little less painful.
Garlett is improving but still short of being the player we need him to be. Might be worth persevering with because who else is going to come in and do better? Might be worth trying him forward too.
Good post.
Set up 2 more goals with good handballs under pressure.
Almost made it into the top half of our possession getters with 14. His best game... though some glaring errors.
His last game, R23 vs Adelaide, he had 15 touches and kicked 2 and had 7 tackles. People forget pretty quickly.
Garlett is improving but still short of being the player we need him to be. Might be worth persevering with because who else is going to come in and do better? Might be worth trying him forward too.
Same could be said of about 10 in the side today. We need more from them, but they are offering more than people who aren't in the side.
re Garlett, i thought it was his best game in defence for us. Starting to get the hang of it a bit, while still having room to improve.
I reckon we have enough small forward options and need a good user of the ball down back, who can also play on the quicker forwards. If not Garlett for that role then who?
I reckon we are still carrying around 5 (Garlett, Fasolo, Murphy, Gibbons & Simpson). Thought we fought it out to the end. The 2nd quarter cost us dearly. At least the drug cheats lost again. Makes our loss a little less painful.
Pretty fair post. We're annoyingly close to a pretty solid looking team. Garlett for Doc & Fasolo for Cunningham... Williamson in there somewhere also. Kreuzer back in.
To have a good long injury free run. What a dream.
His last game, R23 vs Adelaide, he had 15 touches and kicked 2 and had 7 tackles. People forget pretty quickly.
Getting smacked by 100 will do that.
Getting smacked by 100 will do that.
Gotta look for the positives.
Same could be said of about 10 in the side today. We need more from them, but they are offering more than people who aren't in the side.
re Garlett, i thought it was his best game in defence for us. Starting to get the hang of it a bit, while still having room to improve.
I reckon we have enough small forward options and need a good user of the ball down back, who can also play on the quicker forwards. If not Garlett for that role then who?
We have small forward options, none of whom are doing enough or damaging. I’m not picturing Longmire sweating this week at the prospect of trying counter Carlton’s deadly small forwards.
That said and sarcasm aside, I also agree with you and I don’t know else can play done back in those small defender/half back roles. We didn’t get enough from Thomas, Neumann and Simmo today. Maybe that’s what we need to target in the mid year draft?
Our older players are not playing well, we are asking kids to play roles they are years away from doing consistently.
We miss Doc and Willo terribly. Our defence was a mess for so much of this game. Why?
EB, Duursma is one I highlighted last year, part of the reason I was so annoyed we coughed up those mid range picks in all those deals. But Duursma isn't being asked to play a primary role, his life is easier than it is for our kids.
Plowman needs to shape up. Mistakes cost and he's making too many. Lord he's slow as well.
Ed has one game to turn his career around, he has been crapfull since mid 2018. I'd be tempted to give Kennedy his role - run with and rest forward.
Murphy is another who gets by but could do so much more. He makes us soft around the contest with his lack of physical presence.
Time to ditch Fazzy boy... Not performing by anybody's standards. SOS has been utterly unable to identify dangerous, smaller forwards who can consistently kick goals. Why did we let Wright retire so easily?
Time for Walls to give Bolton a clip. Pay attention to influential opposition players or go coach Manangatang. Not happy with you Brendan.
Been saying it for two years, we need gun half backs/ball distributing small defenders.
Cmon mate, enough.
Murphy may not be an elite talent, but he is better than any blokes in position 23-46 at the club, and thus he stays in the side. I don't care if we use him exclusively as a FP, but chopping them solves nothing.
Simpson coming under fire is even more laughable. Talk about heart and soul. Bloke never dies wondering and never stops running. He might have his deficiencies, but i'd prefer to have 22 Simmos in the side than just about any other side of 22 'player x' from our list.
At his age, we shouldn't be relying on him so much, but you can't tell him to ease up as he only has 1 gear, flat out.
Luke Hodge won 4 premiership with Hawthorn, heart and soul, captained the club and they pushed him to retire.
Sam Mitchell same deal.
We made the mistake of hanging on to champs in the 90s and we paid for it dearly.
We have small forward options, none of whom are doing enough or damaging. I’m not picturing Longmire sweating this week at the prospect of trying counter Carlton’s deadly small forwards.
That said and sarcasm aside, I also agree with you and I don’t know else can play done back in those small defender/half back roles. We didn’t get enough from Thomas, Neumann and Simmo today. Maybe that’s what we need to target in the mid year draft?
Our small forwards will get better when we get better with the ball up the ground. Thats from our midfield and from our backline.
Quick rebounding from turnovers will help all our forwards. When we looked good today, thats what we were doing, moving the ball quick and direct.
Garlett up forward won't help his game, nor get us closer to the win as a team.
Nor will playing Fas.
If Kennedy dominating the 2's is correct (read that somewhere) bring him into the side.
Drop Fasolo and play Murphy forward.
That will give us a bigger body in the guts, and a smarter forwardline and allow Murphy and his aging body a chance to be more useful to the side.
Luke Hodge won 4 premiership with Hawthorn, heart and soul, captained the club and they pushed him to retire.
Sam Mitchell same deal.
We made the mistake of hanging on to champs in the 90s and we paid for it dearly.
Yeah, got us into the Grand Final in 1999. Cost us dearly?!
When Pagan came in and showed the door to Bradley types etc, how did that work out for us?
There is a happy balance.
Hawks can afford to let go of some premiership players because they had about 30 on their list! How many do we have? 1, Daisy.
So tired of losing and trying to stay positive. It’s really wearing thin. Yes we are an improvement on last year but the rest of the Comp improves so still can’t see where the wins will come from
We just don’t have leaders who at critical stages can involve themself on the result. We have Cripps and then daylight.
Our senior core today consisted of Simpson, Murphy, Thomas, Phillips, Jones and Fasolo. Most of that group contribute but not one influences a match or is the difference when we need it.
I know we can’t do much about this now and getting in McGovern and Newman has helped but reckon the rebuild is painfully slow in part because of the lack of true leaders they can carry the kids in the stages of the game when they go missing.
And some of the coaching and MC decisions really make me wonder. Fasolo is not fking match fit so how does he get a game. Is slow and looks lazy. And Garlett is an embarrassment to be wearing the jumper. If he isn’t the softest afl player going around I don’t know who is. Hates any sort of contact and prefers to knock the ball around then pick it up in any contested situation.... all because he doesn’t want the contact. Disgusting.
Neither can be selected next week. They just can’t.
I finally saw something from Polson today - will take another 10 games like that before I say there is hope but in fairness must hold his place on that effort.
And Weitering was great again, looks settled and best of all is backing himself. Credit to SPS as well, looked classy in traffic and tried his guts out.
Was also happy with McGovern and McKay is developing nicely just needs to improve his tank. Looks rooted in the last quarter.
Would give settlefield and definitely Walsh a run in the 2s. Don’t want to burn them out and both looked like they struggled with the tempo today.
Cant wait for Kruezer to come in. Cripps needs some protection before we break this poor bloke in two.
Looking at the stats sheet a few things stand out:
Port had 94 more disposals - mostly handballs though and pretty much all uncontested. I think that highlights our lack of running and linking up of half back.
Our efficiency inside 50 was slightly better than port’s, but we didn’t get it there enough
We got smashed in the hitouts, 58 to 32. Clearances were also 61-37 against us.
Our heat map again shows us stuck in the defensive half back line on one side of the ground for a lot of the game. We don’t move the ball well and get stuck here.
We had zero bounces. We don’t run and carry he ball enough.
Gibbons and Setterfield had the most pressure acts on the ground - 33 and 31, respectively. Polson had th same number as Philips and just one more than Murphy. Ed, Simpson and Garlett had just nine each. McKay had more.
MRO should look at that hit on Murphy, Butters had zero chance of marking it, he was just running in for the easy kill... Didn't even put his hands up, just went in with the hip.
Like I said at the time, Daisy should have absolutely monstered Drew, it's about time our players drew (sic) a line in the sand. Would Butters have had the stones to nail a senior player if he knew pain could come back the other way? So, a second gamer feels he can slot our ex-Captain, no wonder we're crap. It's something the playing group needs to address.
Our older players are not playing well, we are asking kids to play roles they are years away from doing consistently.
We miss Doc and Willo terribly. Our defence was a mess for so much of this game. Why?
EB, Duursma is one I highlighted last year, part of the reason I was so annoyed we coughed up those mid range picks in all those deals. But Duursma isn't being asked to play a primary role, his life is easier than it is for our kids.
Plowman needs to shape up. Mistakes cost and he's making too many. Lord he's slow as well.
Ed has one game to turn his career around, he has been crapfull since mid 2018. I'd be tempted to give Kennedy his role - run with and rest forward.
Murphy is another who gets by but could do so much more. He makes us soft around the contest with his lack of physical presence.
Time to ditch Fazzy boy... Not performing by anybody's standards. SOS has been utterly unable to identify dangerous, smaller forwards who can consistently kick goals. Why did we let Wright retire so easily?
Time for Walls to give Bolton a clip. Pay attention to influential opposition players or go coach Manangatang. Not happy with you Brendan.
Doc and Williamson are a big loss, they can both use the ball and Williamson can play on a variety of players...
Ed is limited and if you dont find roles to suit his limitations then he doesnt impact much...the forward idea isnt working, ok he wobbled one through and gave a joe the goose to Harry but that was about it.
Fazzy boy isnt fit enough and is too mark and kick, we need small forwards who can crumb and kick cheap goals........Gibbons created a few opportunities but rushed them, Polson did his job and was involved in some scoring plays as well and at least contributed, Fasalo kicked a goal but unsighted otherwise....yep time to go and find form in the NB's.
re: Murphy....my main gripe is his disposal......turns it over by foot with dinky up and under kicks in the middle of the ground and needs less midfield time and could spend more time forward...
re: Plowman....struggled today but Port are by far the quickest team in the comp and I think he needs a couple more games to settle after his injury from last season...but he is on notice..
re: Bolton....not sure what Walls is contributing but we do struggle to identify influential players and make the changes quickly, its been a common pattern...the 44 Rockliff had last week should have bene enough to alert
Bolton and have a plan B for him. It appeared once we lost Charlie that Bolton gave it up but didnt tell the players who at least battled on and it was Ports bigger bodies feeding those nippy young kids that
got them home with Motlop icing some good goals.
re: Kennedy...happy to play him but when fit and thats an ongoing issue.......
Luke Hodge won 4 premiership with Hawthorn, heart and soul, captained the club and they pushed him to retire.
Sam Mitchell same deal.
We made the mistake of hanging on to champs in the 90s and we paid for it dearly.
I would suggest that the demographic of Hawthorn in 2016 in terms of experience and skill was totally different to Carlton at the end of 2018. No comparison.
We know we’ve made it when we can afford to do things like that.
Yeah, got us into the Grand Final in 1999. Cost us dearly?!
When Pagan came in and showed the door to Bradley types etc, how did that work out for us?
There is a happy balance.
Hawks can afford to let go of some premiership players because they had about 30 on their list! How many do we have? 1, Daisy.
Still talking about 99(where we lost a GF), wowee how low we have sunk.
I would suggest that the demographic of Hawthorn in 2016 in terms of experience and skill was totally different to Carlton at the end of 2018. No comparison.
We know we’ve made it when we can afford to do things like that.
Um what about 2015-2018? We just pretend that didn't happen.
I'm reluctant to hit the keyboard after a loss, but I marked this down as "gone" days ago.
We're just too easy to "pick off" and slow to react, have zero idea how to protect a lead or change the plan to ensure we do.
Too many passengers ... and being blunt, sub standard senior level coaching.
Time for Walls to give Bolton a clip. Pay attention to influential opposition players or go coach Manangatang. Not happy with you Brendan.
Gray has cut us up in the past - next to no impact today. You can't shut everyone out of the game.
Looking at the stats sheet a few things stand out:
Port had 94 more disposals - mostly handballs though and pretty much all uncontested. I think that highlights our lack of running and linking up of half back.
Our efficiency inside 50 was slightly better than port’s, but we didn’t get it there enough
We got smashed in the hitouts, 58 to 32. Clearances were also 61-37 against us.
Our heat map again shows us stuck in the defensive half back line on one side of the ground for a lot of the game. We don’t move the ball well and get stuck here.
We had zero bounces. We don’t run and carry he ball enough.
Gibbons and Setterfield had the most pressure acts on the ground - 33 and 31, respectively. Polson had th same number as Philips and just one more than Murphy. Ed, Simpson and Garlett had just nine each. McKay had more.
Port are very quick but over use the footy and will probably win the uncontested stuff in every game they play....Lycett and Ryder were always going to wear down Philips, they are two bigger bodied types that doent suit Philips but I thought he battled on ok.
Clearances was a big issue today and was last season, having the best clearance player in the comp(Cripps) you dont expect this problem most weeks and would expect to break even, no Kreuzer doesnt help either..
The tactics or personnel have to change in the middle..not sure what assistant is doing the stoppages but I'd be asking questions if I was Bolton..
Pressure acts are great but only if they amount to something IMO....
Nor will playing Fas.
Not sure why we're not playing SOSOS.
I've got a position for Smurph,
Left right out!
Not sure why we're not playing SOSOS.
Reckon he might come in for Charlie and play down forward with McGovern and Harry.
Other choice I guess would be Kerr but I'd see Jack ahead of him in the pecking order....
Gray has cut us up in the past - next to no impact today. You can't shut everyone out of the game.
27 possessions, 5 tackles and a goal.
Wish our low impact players were contributing that much.
Reckon he might come in for Charlie and play down forward with McGovern and Harry.
Other choice I guess would be Kerr but I'd see Jack ahead of him in the pecking order....
Gee, Levi has been forgotten quickly!!
Gee, Levi has been forgotten quickly!!
Who?
Watching the tape....Garlett looks scared to take possession. It's embarrassing. As somebody else has already pointed out, surely we can't pick this bloke again?
Weeters was massive today. We saw it today, he flogged Westhoff.
We need to get us some meat and potatoes, cannon fodder types around the ball.... Nothing fancy, not high draft picks, just plain and effective no frills types that are as mean as cat crap. Must be more Powell Pepper (*) types running around the state leagues?
*im just using him as an example of a no frills straight runner. We need some impact around the ball, especially in wet conditions.
At least we aren't Melbourne.
To be fair Faz had 9 possessions, 2 marks and kicked a cheap goal cheating out the back that Ed Curnow passed it over the top to him. That's surely comparable?
I'm reluctant to hit the keyboard after a loss, but I marked this down as "gone" days ago.
We're just too easy to "pick off" and slow to react, have zero idea how to protect a lead or change the plan to ensure we do.
Too many passengers ... and being blunt, sub standard senior level coaching.
Bolton has lost me.
Fails to make changes when required, even to change things up, seemingly can't motivate the troops.
Let's be honest - we were insipid tonight. Lots to play for, few turned up.
Too many going through the motions....way too many.
Murphy - wow, simply horrible. Hears footsteps 50m away these days. Great lesson for the kids. Not.
Very winnable game, we butchered it....plain & simple.
Gee, Levi has been forgotten quickly!!
No didnt forget Levi Just think Jack might be more handy vs the Swans who usually contest well but dont run an overly tall team....
If the Swans played two rucks then you could think about Levi ....
I think the issue for young Cam Polson is that we tend to judge him on a black or white basis.
If we're not convinced about his value we tend to look for the bad.
If we like the things he does we look for the good.
I watched him pretty closely today, trying pretty much to be unbiased
He had a good first quarter.
It was significant that the commentators mentioned in the second that the 'small forwards' pressure had dropped off, possibly one of the reasons we struggled in that quarter.
As the game progressed there were some Polson blues.....The goal attempt after the Walsh free kick (had it gone through perhaps a different story)....a couple of other misdirected kicks. Potentially costly errors
On the positive side.... He kicked a goal and by my reckoning was in the chain that resulted in three others.
Now watching on the television doesn't give you the same perspective as watching live so maybe this isn't as significant as I believe it to be....but what I noticed is that he is a good judge of shutting down options. He has the speed to do it. He'll run to cover players while the opposition kicker is looking for targets causing a slow down in play and a rethink of where to send the ball. He'll run and chase and maybe not necessarily target the ball carrier (If that player is being covered) but the player that the ball is likely to go to, once again cutting off an option. He's never out of the contest...some may argue he gets in the way sometimes.
Look he's a fringe player....and arguably he will have to improve considerably as the rest of the squad progresses or he'll fall by the wayside. But just for now I kind of understand the reason he's being played.
Bolton has lost me.
Fails to make changes when required, even to change things up, seemingly can't motivate the troops.
Let's be honest - we were insipid tonight. Lots to play for, few turned up.
It is always interesting to read the various media reports on the games we lose and compare them to some of the comments here. The scribes were full of praise for our endeavor, lamented how the team balance was thrown through CC’s injury, Bolton’s positive move of moving Setterfield onto Rockliff in the second half and the effectiveness and development of our younger brigade such as SPS, Weitering, Dow, Walsh.
Every report has been positive about our effort and ongoing development.
Everyone sees things differently
re: Murphy....my main gripe is his disposal......turns it over by foot with dinky up and under kicks in the middle of the ground and needs less midfield time and could spend more time forward...
If Murphy doesn’t have elite disposal, he doesn’t offer much else.
He is a liability we simply can’t afford
Didn’t Bolton say our pressure will define us?
I think the issue for young Cam Polson is that we tend to judge him on a black or white basis.
If we're not convinced about his value we tend to look for the bad.
If we like the things he does we look for the good.
I watched him pretty closely today, trying pretty much to be unbiased
He had a good first quarter.
It was significant that the commentators mentioned in the second that the 'small forwards' pressure had dropped off, possibly one of the reasons we struggled in that quarter.
As the game progressed there were some Polson blues.....The goal attempt after the Walsh free kick (had it gone through perhaps a different story)....a couple of other misdirected kicks. Costly errors
On the positive side.... He kicked a goal and by my reckoning was in the chain that resulted in three others.
Now watching on the television doesn't give you the same perspective as watching live so maybe this isn't as significant as I believe it to be....but what I noticed is that he is a good judge of shutting down options. He has the speed to do it. He'll run to cover players while the opposition kicker is looking for targets causing a slow down in play and a rethink of where to send the ball. He'll run and chase and maybe not necessarily target the ball carrier (If that player is being covered) but the player that the ball is likely to go to, once again cutting off an option. He's never out of the contest...some may argue he gets in the way sometimes.
Look he's a fringe player....and arguably he will have to improve considerably as the rest of the squad progresses or he'll fall by the wayside. But just for now I kind of understand the reason he's being played.
I gave him credit in my ramblings....tackled well, kicked a goal and was involved in some other scoring plays as you say, made a few errors but I thought the pros outweighed the cons and
he deserves to keep his place for next week.
It is always interesting to read the various media reports on the games we lose and compare them to some of the comments here. The scribes were full of praise for our endeavor, lamented how the team balance was thrown through CC’s injury, Bolton’s positive move of moving Setterfield onto Rockliff in the second half and the effectiveness and development of our younger brigade such as SPS, Weitering, Dow, Walsh.
Every report has been positive about our effort and ongoing development.
Everyone sees things differently
Yet Charlie did SFA last week anyway....and we butchered the ball often like no tomorrow.
Yep, nothing to see here, move on. :o :-[
It is always interesting to read the various media reports on the games we lose and compare them to some of the comments here. The scribes were full of praise for our endeavor, lamented how the team balance was thrown through CC’s injury, Bolton’s positive move of moving Setterfield onto Rockliff in the second half and the effectiveness and development of our younger brigade such as SPS, Weitering, Dow, Walsh.
Every report has been positive about our effort and ongoing development.
Everyone sees things differently
ps most media scribes write what is expected of them - by the powers that be.
I think the issue for young Cam Polson is that we tend to judge him on a black or white basis.
If we're not convinced about his value we tend to look for the bad.
If we like the things he does we look for the good.
I watched him pretty closely today, trying pretty much to be unbiased
He had a good first quarter.
It was significant that the commentators mentioned in the second that the 'small forwards' pressure had dropped off, possibly one of the reasons we struggled in that quarter.
As the game progressed there were some Polson blues.....The goal attempt after the Walsh free kick (had it gone through perhaps a different story)....a couple of other misdirected kicks. Costly errors
On the positive side.... He kicked a goal and by my reckoning was in the chain that resulted in three others.
Now watching on the television doesn't give you the same perspective as watching live so maybe this isn't as significant as I believe it to be....but what I noticed is that he is a good judge of shutting down options. He has the speed to do it. He'll run to cover players while the opposition kicker is looking for targets causing a slow down in play and a rethink of where to send the ball. He'll run and chase and maybe not necessarily target the ball carrier (If that player is being covered) but the player that the ball is likely to go to, once again cutting off an option. He's never out of the contest...some may argue he gets in the way sometimes.
Look he's a fringe player....and arguably he will have to improve considerably as the rest of the squad progresses or he'll fall by the wayside. But just for now I kind of understand the reason he's being played.
I wasn't there today but this sums up very well what I have seen of Polson. Similar to what Plowman does in the backline. I'd be playing those two well before a lot of higher profile others
Still talking about 99(where we lost a GF), wowee how low we have sunk.
You were the one that brought up the 90's and how we sunk down then, i just pointed out we made a GF the last year of the 90's.
Should i remind you that won 13 games in a row in 2000 as well?
But sure, not doing what Hawks did is why we are where we are today.
....and comparing Carlton of 20-teens to a Hawks dynasty is like comparing Collingwoods 4-peat to university (look it up).
At least we aren't Melbourne.
Or Essendon better still...lol.
You were the one that brought up the 90's and how we sunk down then, i just pointed out we made a GF the last year of the 90's.
Should i remind you that won 13 games in a row in 2000 as well?
But sure, not doing what Hawks did is why we are where we are today.
....and comparing Carlton of 20-teens to a Hawks dynasty is like comparing Collingwoods 4-peat to university (look it up).
I said we held on some players too long .
Any updates on Charlie's knee?
Any updates on Charlie's knee?
Early reports suggest he has two of them! ;)
27 possessions, 5 tackles and a goal.
Wish our low impact players were contributing that much.
No, our players who contribute like that are subjected to hate, vitriol and calls for their head.
Any updates on Charlie's knee?
Jarred only isnt it?
We just do not seem to know how to win. That game last night (and even last week) was there for the taking. We take the lead or get close to it then pack up and go home.
Just about had it with BB. Poor response times re moves and when he does make a move it is defensive, aimed to minimise damage. He just doesn't seem to have a strategic, attacking mind set. Seems to have learnt little from Clarkson in the most important areas of the game.
Also not impressed with how, in interviews when asked about Wallsy, BB minimises and talks down Wallsy's involvement. Ego issue? Certainly shows a lack of respect for one of the club's greats. I hope someone at the club picks him up on this. Trivialising Wallsy's involvement is very, very poor form from BB.
So few of our blokes play with authority and boldness. Our one and only strength is minimising losing margins. Our defensive focus still dominates. Honourable losses to continue to dominate?
I reckon the media goes easy on us, even talks us up a little, because they feel sorry for us. They pat us on the head and say, 'Good on you for having a go...'
I said we held on some players too long .
...and i pointed out that when you said we held onto those players we made the GF and won 13 in a row the following year.
....i then pointed out that our worst period in history coincided with ditching the remaining senior players we had.
...the exact thing you are suggesting we do now.
5 successive Carlton matches from Europe, 5 losses. Best I get home...lol.
Indeed. But I hope you've had a great time.
Gutted with the loss as always.
The Good- I saw more good signs than last week. Started very well out of the blocks. Some of the passages of play looked very good. I particularly liked how we adjusted to the conditions and played well to them. We adjusted that silly tactic of getting rid of the footy as soon as we were tackled, I thought we held it in longer and meant the other mob didnt run off with it unopposed. Weiters was huge as was Plow inhibiting Grays customary 4 or 5 goals against us. Cripps is just Cripps, leads from the front and kept us in the game.
The bad- Goal less 2nd qtr is totally unacceptable. I dont to see another qtr where we dont score a goal for rest of the year. Bolts needs to make a very strong point of this, above anything else in my opinion. Last qtr fade out was not good. To claw our way back into the game at 3 qtr time and not go on with it was disappointing. Two very average qtrs and we go down by 16 pts away from home one man down, this makes me very frustrated and this needs to be rectified urgently.
Gutted with the loss as always.
The Good- I saw more good signs than last week. Started very well out of the blocks. Some of the passages of play looked very good. I particularly liked how we adjusted to the conditions and played well to them. We adjusted that silly tactic of getting rid of the footy as soon as we were tackled, I thought we held it in longer and meant the other mob didnt run off with it unopposed. Weiters was huge as was Plow inhibiting Grays customary 4 or 5 goals against us. Cripps is just Cripps, leads from the front and kept us in the game.
The bad- Goal less 2nd qtr is totally unacceptable. I dont to see another qtr where we dont score a goal for rest of the year. Bolts needs to make a very strong point of this, above anything else in my opinion. Last qtr fade out was not good. To claw our way back into the game at 3 qtr time and not go on with it was disappointing. Two very average qtrs and we go down by 16 pts away from home one man down, this makes me very frustrated and this needs to be rectified urgently.
Deja vous. I think every time we get on a roll (and start looking good) the boys slack off and then find it hard to 'click' again....
The numbers suggest Port worked harder than us too?
I know people dont like to blame umpires but our free kick were all at half back, whilst port had about 3 score involvements from dicey decisions.
We really struggled to get first use of the footy, and we're not a stripping team as yet, so it really puts us on the back foot from the get go. Clearances and CP's are usually even or in our favour.
I don't think the boys slacked off (i.e lack of effort). I jus think they're young and not yet gelled as a team. Thus they lose focus quite easily.
We really struggled to get first use of the footy, and we're not a stripping team as yet, so it really puts us on the back foot from the get go. Clearances and CP's are usually even or in our favour.
I don't think the boys slacked off (i.e lack of effort). I jus think they're young and not yet gelled as a team. Thus they lose focus quite easily.
Yes, a better way of putting it - thanks.
...and i pointed out that when you said we held onto those players we made the GF and won 13 in a row the following year.
....i then pointed out that our worst period in history coincided with ditching the remaining senior players we had.
...the exact thing you are suggesting we do now.
Are we really that low when we are talking up making a grand final?
StKilda released a DVD called The Streak perhaps we should do the same?
Where's Chuck at, jarred knee? What's that mean, bruising to the internal cushioning/ligaments?
I thought he looked more "on" prior to this happening.
Are we really that low when we are talking up making a grand final?
In answer to your question....ummm...yes!
Not sure if you've noticed the past 2 decades or not, but that is a clear highlight with daylight 2nd.
Worst drought in history currently.
But back to your initial point. Carlton post 90s vs hawks recent dynasty is chalk and cheese and not comparable. Period.
Where's Chuck at, jarred knee? What's that mean, bruising to the internal cushioning/ligaments?
I thought he looked more "on" prior to this happening.
Not sure i'm buying the 'jarred knee' talk. Pretty sure he stretched his medial as the knee came out sideways based on the vision.
With a bit of luck its a 'small one' and he'll be back in a few weeks, no surgery required.
Not sure i'm buying the 'jarred knee' talk. Pretty sure he stretched his medial as the knee came out sideways based on the vision.
With a bit of luck its a 'small one' and he'll be back in a few weeks, no surgery required.
The only positive is that he was moving well enough to strap it and test it...
Although last time that happened it was Sam Rowe with an ACL injury...
The only positive is that he was moving well enough to strap it and test it...
Although last time that happened it was Sam Rowe with an ACL injury...
Just talked about it on gameday and the doc said (female doc, not sure her name) said she isn't sure what it is, but it could be a slight medial or meniscus.
Basically the same scenario i suggested above....but really unsure.
Where's Chuck at, jarred knee? What's that mean, bruising to the internal cushioning/ligaments?
I thought he looked more "on" prior to this happening.
Just came on the Sunday Footy Show and although he sounded pretty positive (i.e. it felt pretty good) he did say he had to wait for the scan results. Seemed pretty confident it wasn't anything serious but who knows.
It looked like Charlie got a back-heel in the patella tendon during the contest.
https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2019/2/port-v-carl
Sounds and looks pissed. Didn't get a smile until near the end. Actually talking tactics as well.
Progress.
https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2019/2/port-v-carl
Sounds and looks pissed. Didn't get a smile until near the end. Actually talking tactics as well.
Progress.
Posters seem focussed on the wrong problems, Phillips' direct opponent has been BoG two weeks in a row!
Regardless of who you follow, these crippling knee injuries are a scourge on the game and the casualty count thus far is already a concern.
They have a devastating impact and we've had our fair share
Posters seem focussed on the wrong problems, Phillips' direct opponent has been BoG two weeks in a row!
Philips was one out vs two very good physical ruckman, they beat up Gawn the previous week and its not like our brains trust didnt
know what to expect.....Philips battled on ok IMO he just needed help. As soon as Harry went on the ball he just got pushed out of the way,
no criticism of Harry as he is coming on nicely as a forward but he isnt a natural ruckman.
Posters seem focussed on the wrong problems, Phillips' direct opponent has been BoG two weeks in a row!
Nankervis and Ryder/Lycett are not exactly slouches, and in the latter case it was 2v1. Phillips has been injured and in and out of the side for ages. Why single him out ?
Under the new rules you cannot concede the center bounce ruck duels, it's like continually playing uphill football.
Running Phillips with McKay is a losing strategy, and highlighted even more when Charlie left the field meaning we lost our F50 structure by rucking McKay and we lost the ruck as well.
Cripps is running himself into the ground trying to make up for the deficiency, and he makes a difference, but he'll be busted and buggered by the time he's 27 instead of being the icing on the cake for the next decade!
We are already B-Grade inside the F50, we cannot afford to be C-Grade.
Secondly, very ordinary match by BB. When sMurph went down we lost our midfield structures and rotations, Setterfield, Fisher, Dow and Walsh all went missing with upgraded opponents. All the while he left Ed Curnow, one of the league's premier taggers, languishing in F50 not doing very much at all!
Philips was one out vs two very good physical ruckman, they beat up Gawn the previous week and its not like our brains trust didnt
know what to expect.....Philips battled on ok IMO he just needed help. As soon as Harry went on the ball he just got pushed out of the way,
no criticism of Harry as he is coming on nicely as a forward but he isnt a natural ruckman.
Yep Lobbe would've been very handy.....
Further, why not ED C. to curb a Rockliff or Boak? Baffing...anyway will watch replay tonight (was a bit distracted last night)
Why haven’t more mentions Garlett. He was awfull
The bloke won’t grab the ball with 2 hands if there is likely contact coming. He did it last week and did it at least 3 times yesterday and cost us every time.
He tries to tap the ball into the clear rather then grabbing it to avoid being bumped or hit hard. Looks so bloody weak for a player at the highest level to refuse to accept any contact.
A lot on here bag (in some cases rightly so) Murphy for being soft but Garlett is in another level of softness IMO.
Must be replaced for next weeks. Swans play a tough contested game he will a bigger liability then he was yesterday against them.
The commentators for the north vs lions game just said Charlie to miss 2-3 weeks with bone bruising.
The commentators for the north vs lions game just said Charlie to miss 2-3 weeks with bone bruising.
Ed confirmed same during AFLW GF interview.
Yep Lobbe would've been very handy.....
Further, why not ED C. to curb a Rockliff or Boak? Baffing...anyway will watch replay tonight (was a bit distracted last night)
I think when other teams play two decent rucks then we have to think about the second ruckman...Lobbe is a big unit and probably suited to players like Ryder and Lycett.
Its hard when your rucks are not much value anywhere else on the ground but you cant let the opposition wear down your one ruckman and then take over in the final stages
and help win the game.
re: Robbie Gray......looked a poor game from him mainly because he didnt kick his usual bag then you look at the clearances and he was the 3rd best clearance player on the ground with 8 and had 27 possies. Port threw him on the ball when it mattered and he delivered.....
re: Robbie Gray......looked a poor game from him mainly because he didnt kick his usual bag then you look at the clearances and he was the 3rd best clearance player on the ground with 8 and had 27 possies. Port threw him on the ball when it mattered and he delivered.....
Great player, but he's caught the free kick staging bug big time!
Lobbe was apparently BoG in the VFL practice match.
Out they go,
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patience is a limited quantity!
Phillip's has been ok.
If we are going to rock someone else it should be Liam Jones who gave us his lesser self against port.
Phillips has battled but his opponents have been BOG 2 weeks in a row. He needs help.
Yep, Phillips hasn't been poor but his man has been BOG and we've been flogged in clearances. Time to change it up.
Yep, Phillips hasn't been poor but his man has been BOG and we've been flogged in clearances. Time to change it up.
Yes, it's not about what Phillips has done, it's what his opponents get away with!
The lad needs to do more than just jumping and marking, he's got to develop a physical presence or he'll become another Casboult.
I think when other teams play two decent rucks then we have to think about the second ruckman...Lobbe is a big unit and probably suited to players like Ryder and Lycett.
Its hard when your rucks are not much value anywhere else on the ground but you cant let the opposition wear down your one ruckman and then take over in the final stages
and help win the game.
re: Robbie Gray......looked a poor game from him mainly because he didnt kick his usual bag then you look at the clearances and he was the 3rd best clearance player on the ground with 8 and had 27 possies. Port threw him on the ball when it mattered and he delivered.....
We're $hit with 2 rucks. We'd only play worse and might not be in the game anyway. Be counterproductive. Win a few extra taps but get smashed everywhere else and end up.worse off. Nowhere in our side's structure can we play two rucks anyway now bar the next 2 weeks.
With Charlie out would prefer to play a small or bring in Levi if you really want a relief ruck. We may even chose the status quo, so to speak, and pick Kerr.
People are talking about Kennedy playing well at VFL practice match, but that came off the back of Lobbe probably being BoG.
So for me it's Charlie, Fasolo and Ed out.
Lobbe, Kennedy and SoJ in.
We're $hit with 2 rucks. We'd only play worse and might not be in the game anyway. Be counterproductive. Win a few extra taps but get smashed everywhere else and end up.worse off. Nowhere in our side's structure can we play two rucks anyway now bar the next 2 weeks.
With Charlie out would prefer to play a small or bring in Levi if you really want a relief ruck. We may even chose the status quo, so to speak, and pick Kerr.
I think its horses for courses.......Lycett and Ryder are decent players and more the physical type of ruckman who want to bang bodies, think you need the extra help to combat them.
Two weeks in a row now they have ganged up and worn down Gawn and now Philips...
re: Swans...Been running Sinclair with Sam Reid as backup ruck....much like us with Philips and Harry so I wouldnt be playing the extra ruckman this week.
Philips and Lobbe isnt ideal as neither are much chop down forward and it does mess with your structure and rotations...I guess our old friend Levi is the happy medium as he can offer something down forward..
re: Kerr.....impressed in the ruck in the twos as he mobile and handy around the ground but alas I think opportunities will be rare unless we get some major injuries....
I didn't see the game and have seen little vision since, however, the biggest problem I believe is that for two weeks in a row we haven't scored a goal in an entire quarter. What I think we need to be able to do is to some how scramble a couple of goals when the ball isn't running our way. Against Richmond in that first quarter we either didn't hit a target or our forwards didn't get to where the ball was going. If we would have been able to kick a couple of goals in that first quarter against Richmond and a couple of goals in the second quarter against Port, the whole narrative of those games would be different and would mean that we would be in stronger positions at three quarter time which in turn makes it easier to run out the games. We need to learn how to kick goals, not only when we are controlling the game, but also when we are not controlling the game.
I would have thought Casboult is the obvious replacement for Charlie. His form has been reasonable in the pre-season and he seems fitter. He is a competent second ruck and gives us a marking target. Also McKay would not need to ruck. I also think Jack should be in the side.
Was anyone else surprised by how effective Weiters was against Westhoff?
For me Westhoff wouldn't have been a good match-up for us, he's quite mobile, fast for his size, and a highly aerobic player yet Weiters really seemed to stitch him up.
It will be interesting to see if any fans there on the day have some insight in to how this panned out!
Was anyone else surprised by how effective Weiters was against Westhoff?
For me Westhoff wouldn't have been a good match-up for us, he's quite mobile, fast for his size, and a highly aerobic player yet Weiters really seemed to stitch him up.
It will be interesting to see if any fans there on the day have some insight in to how this panned out!
Weiters has improved significantly I think and Westhoff is not getting any younger.
Weiters has improved significantly I think and Westhoff is not getting any younger.
Westhoff didnt move around enough and the delivery in the wet wasnt great...he isnt a strong overhead mark and I thought JW played him very well
and blocked his run, most of his possies were further up the ground than near the goals and ineffective. Weitering was safe with his intercept marking and didnt panic using it either.
I think Port missed Dixon too who is a bit of rogue animal running into opposing players which made life easier....
For mine:
OUT: C. Curnow, Fasolo, Garlett
IN: Kreuzer, Kennedy, Silvagni
Play both Kreuzer and Phillips and leave McKay as a permanent forward. Gibbons and Polson split the small forward role and let Fasolo find some form in the VFL. Feel like a broken record but Garlett is not a defender.
Weitering and SPS look to have really stepped up a bit this year and Walsh is probably in the best half dozen players in our team already.
Silvagni has had good form in the VFL and deserves another crack at it. Sydney are gettable this week but if we leave too much to too few again, the result will be the same.
For mine:
OUT: C. Curnow, Fasolo, Garlett
IN: Kreuzer, Kennedy, Silvagni
Play both Kreuzer and Phillips and leave McKay as a permanent forward. Gibbons and Polson split the small forward role and let Fasolo find some form in the VFL. Feel like a broken record but Garlett is not a defender.
Weitering and SPS look to have really stepped up a bit this year and Walsh is probably in the best half dozen players in our team already.
Silvagni has had good form in the VFL and deserves another crack at it. Sydney are gettable this week but if we leave too much to too few again, the result will be the same.
I like the idea of playing 2 proper ruckman, seems to be the way to go. The 2 Port Rucks really worked Phillips over, when H went in he was out rucked convincingly. Not to mention we were down a Fwd when he rucked.
Weiters has improved significantly I think and Westhoff is not getting any younger.
He only kicked the 5 in R1.
Was anyone else surprised by how effective Weiters was against Westhoff?
For me Westhoff wouldn't have been a good match-up for us, he's quite mobile, fast for his size, and a highly aerobic player yet Weiters really seemed to stitch him up.
It will be interesting to see if any fans there on the day have some insight in to how this panned out!
I thought Weiters was our best on the weekend. Kept a pretty good opponent completely out of the game and was able to positively impact pretty well.
Progress as a player looking to be getting back on track which is brilliant news.
He only kicked the 5 in R1.
Couldn't do it again though! :)
For mine:
OUT: C. Curnow, Fasolo, Garlett
IN: Kreuzer, Kennedy, Silvagni
Play both Kreuzer and Phillips and leave McKay as a permanent forward. Gibbons and Polson split the small forward role and let Fasolo find some form in the VFL. Feel like a broken record but Garlett is not a defender.
Weitering and SPS look to have really stepped up a bit this year and Walsh is probably in the best half dozen players in our team already.
Silvagni has had good form in the VFL and deserves another crack at it. Sydney are gettable this week but if we leave too much to too few again, the result will be the same.
Charlie curnow is in the top 5 for km's run every week. You'd be hard pressed to bring in a ruck to emulate what he does, even if it is Kreuzer (who is still unfit).
I think your changes make us incredibly slow.
OUT: 3 fast, agile players.
IN: 3 slow, relatively immobile players.
If we were to bring in Kreuzer (or casboult - please no) then i think McKay would need to play the Curnow role, basically CHF. Leave the resting ruck in the goal square.
Fas needs to go. Who to replace him?
Kennedy into the middle, Murphy forward?? Still makes us slower, but bigger bodies in the midfield will help against the swans.
I'd keep Garlett as he looks to be improving in the backline and getting his head around it. Offers sheer pace and skill that we lack in the side.
It won't happen, but i'd drop Ed and potentially bring in Jack.
Jack is a better forward, and can pinch hit in the middle.
Apparantly Marchbank isn't far away, We could use him.
Not an easy week to pick a side
Charlie Curnow out for 2-3 weeks so he's a given. Sydney aren't overly quick either.....Garlett does absolutely nothing, regardless of how quick he is. Fasolo has done very little in his two games. Not sure Kennedy and Silvagni have done much wrong in the pre-season games and deserve a chance for mine.
Fasolo improved in his second hitout.
Hes still not giving good output, but its an improvement.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Alex_Fasolo.html
Brief overview. Against the Tigers. 5 disposals, 1 goal 1 tackle.
Against Port. 10 disposals. 1 Goal 5 tackles.
Fasolo improved in his second hitout.
I appreciate that.
But fans crucified Poulson who was basically twice as effective with only 1/10th of the experience!
It's hard to rationalise such a diverse stance, it seems a bit having some cake and eating it!
On a positive note, I noticed this when looking at the Sen site:
BEST
Port Adelaide: Rockliff, Lycett, Motlop, Ebert, Boak, Byrne-Jones, Rozee
Carlton: Cripps, Weitering, McKay, Dow, Petrevski-Seton, Murphy
When you look at that, the top seven (best for Port Adelaide) were mostly older players, they had five out of seven in that bracket. We had one out of six.
On a positive note, I noticed this when looking at the Sen site:
BEST
Port Adelaide: Rockliff, Lycett, Motlop, Ebert, Boak, Byrne-Jones, Rozee
Carlton: Cripps, Weitering, McKay, Dow, Petrevski-Seton, Murphy
When you look at that, the top seven (best for Port Adelaide) were mostly older players, they had five out of seven in that bracket. We had one out of six.
Cut it out Spf, there'll be none of that sensible analysis or lifting the standards going on around here!
Cut it out Spf, there'll be none of that sensible analysis or lifting the standards going on around here!
hahaha yes to true! If you want a reality check, go have a look at what's going on at BomberBlitz, it will definitely cheer up your day.
I appreciate that.
But fans crucified Poulson who was basically twice as effective with only 1/10th of the experience!
It's hard to rationalise such a diverse stance, it seems a bit having some cake and eating it!
Polson should have been playing in his place in round 1. Now he is in he stays in. Fasolo is surving on the basis that there isnt much else to put in the team for that role, but that wont last too much longer (I still think Jack Silvagni is ahead of him at this stage but he is capable of similar performances using recent history).
On a positive note, I noticed this when looking at the Sen site:
BEST
Port Adelaide: Rockliff, Lycett, Motlop, Ebert, Boak, Byrne-Jones, Rozee
Carlton: Cripps, Weitering, McKay, Dow, Petrevski-Seton, Murphy
When you look at that, the top seven (best for Port Adelaide) were mostly older players, they had five out of seven in that bracket. We had one out of six.
If Murphy was one of the best on field, I am gobsmacked.
He was a bit of a turnover merchant and wasn't exactly winning it at the coal face. In fact, if he was cleaner with the ball, we might have won and was possibly the difference between winning and losing.
It was the worst 26 posession I have seen from a supposed top liner.
It was the worst 26 posession I have seen from a supposed top liner.
Ed Curnow got in the bests the week before with 25 or 26 possessions too.
Sometimes you wonder who chooses the bests and what motivations they have.
Ed Curnow got in the bests the week before with 25 or 26 possessions too.
Sometimes you wonder who chooses the bests and what motivations they have.
At least Ed has an excuse. He was a VFL hacker who has been great value and continues to provide value in a what you see is what you get capacity.
Murphy was captain of the club, and went pick 1 in his draft year and seems to find new ways to dissapoint each and every season.
The only pass I will give him is that he was borderline concussed before half time, but in the first quarter he was pretty crap.
Compare the pair....
Player 1:
14 disposals
4 contested
5 clangers
2 goals
6 tackles
1 I50s
Player 2:
14 disposals
6 contested
4 clangers
1 goal, 1 behind
2 tackles
4 I50s
Relatively similar stats for players playing a similar position.
Here is the kicker, player 1 is a senior player and those stats are for 2 games.
Player 2 is a kid, and those stats are from 1.
No prizes for guessing who they are now, but for those playing at home.
1 = Fas
2 = Polson
Compare the pair....
Player 1:
14 disposals
4 contested
5 clangers
2 goals
6 tackles
1 I50s
Player 2:
14 disposals
6 contested
4 clangers
1 goal, 1 behind
2 tackles
4 I50s
Relatively similar stats for players playing a similar position.
Here is the kicker, player 1 is a senior player and those stats are for 2 games.
Player 2 is a kid, and those stats are from 1.
No prizes for guessing who they are now, but for those playing at home.
1 = Fas
2 = Polson
Lets be fair, two different players...one is a small marking forward the other is a small forward playing in a defensive pressure role.
Fas is expected to kick goals and Polson is expected to put a small rebounding defender out of business.
A lot easier to be a negative player but at the same time Polson is better value at the minute and deserves a game and Fasalo needs NB's time....
Lets be fair, two different players...one is a small marking forward the other is a small forward playing in a defensive pressure role.
Fas is expected to kick goals and Polson is expected to put a small rebounding defender out of business.
A lot easier to be a negative player but at the same time Polson is better value at the minute and deserves a game and Fasalo needs NB's time....
Yes, Lets be fair, i said playing a similar position.
You said SMALL marking FORWARD
and SMALL FORWARD playing a defensive pressure role.
I'd say thats about as similar as you can get without playing the exact position. ;)
Yes, Lets be fair, i said playing a similar position.
You said SMALL marking FORWARD
and SMALL FORWARD playing a defensive pressure role.
I'd say thats about as similar as you can get without playing the exact position. ;)
I'll make it simple...one is there to kick goals the other is there to stop the ball rebounding back down the other end to stop goals being kicked.... ;)
If Polson plays on Laird from the Crows we want Polson stopping Laird getting his usual 30 plus possies.....
If Fasalo plays on Laird we want 2-4 goals kicked by our man.
Degree of difficulty higher for Fasalo.....so its better to play the percentages and play Polson who has a higher chance of succeeding in his task.
Next time we play Port we need to target Powell Pepper at every opportunity. Distract the agitator, keep him looking over his shoulder.
I still want to know why the MRO ignored the Murphy hit. Powell-Pepper, to his credit , made the ball his object. Butters did not. Combined with his carry on after kicking a goal, this kid is rapidly climbing the "punchable head" rankings. With a bullet.
Not much protection being offered to blokes making the running in marking contests. to put it bluntly.
Unrealistic attempts at marking, which destroy the attempts to mark or spoil and creating chaos at deck level for small forwards is rampant ATM. I thought this was Interference/sheparding in the marking contest, illegal contact... there's ways to umpire this crap from the game, I guess the AFL are too busy concentrating on other minutiae right now.
I still want to know why the MRO ignored the Murphy hit. Powell-Pepper, to his credit , made the ball his object. Butters did not. Combined with his carry on after kicking a goal, this kid is rapidly climbing the "punchable head" rankings. With a bullet.
Not much protection being offered to blokes making the running in marking contests. to put it bluntly.
Unrealistic attempts at marking, which destroy the attempts to mark or spoil and creating chaos at deck level for small forwards is rampant ATM. I thought this was Interference/sheparding in the marking contest, illegal contact... there's ways to umpire this crap from the game, I guess the AFL are too busy concentrating on other minutiae right now.
As I stated, I wan't to know who was playing on Butters and Powell-Pepper at the time. The hit might well be an AFL issue, but the result is a slur on our team first ethic. Somebody abandoned a team-mate looking for a cheap possession.
FWIW, I saw Weiters cleaned up the very same way in a school game just a couple of weeks before we drafted him. The kid had to be carted off in an ambulance and the morons from his opponents clapped the instigators off the field like they were brave champions, the umpires didn't even pay a free kick! Let's just say that team of blockheads had a very close association with CheatsFC, another reason I hate them!
Agreed on Butters. Was nice to see McGovern nail him with that tackle and make him look like a complete goose and push his head into the turf for good measure.
Agreed on Butters. Was nice to see McGovern nail him with that tackle and make him look like a complete goose and push his head into the turf for good measure.
Yes, that was a nice moment - very timely, he was starting to look very cocky and needed a subtle reminder! :)
Agreed on Butters. Was nice to see McGovern nail him with that tackle and make him look like a complete goose and push his head into the turf for good measure.
Yes, apart from the ability to take speccies and kick goals, the Gov adds just a touch of mongrel and a desire to let his opponents know that they’re in a contest.
He is only going to get better as the season progresses and I’m looking forward to the Gov’s breakout game in navy blue.
Yes, apart from the ability to take speccies and kick goals, the Gov adds just a touch of mongrel and a desire to let his opponents know that they’re in a contest.
He is only going to get better as the season progresses and I’m looking forward to the Gov’s breakout game in navy blue.
Absolutely agree - haven't seen a run down tackle in our F50 for a while, reminded me of Eddie Betts days, when we got it into our F50 we made the opposition work hard to get it out. Lately it's been a breeze for them to do that.
Think McG will be a very very important player for the Blues - very happy to have him.