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Week in and week out four of our best five are our senior players so I don't think there is any dissent among the playing group.
It's simply that much of the talent that we have is raw and the run of the mill players that we've surrounded them with (Casboult, Mullet, Lamb, Kennedy, Graham etc.) aren't good enough.
We won't see any real improvement and consistency until our youngsters have another 40 games in them and we've been able to replace some or all of our scrubbers.

I have no idea if there's any issues among the players, and disagree on Kennedy, but agree on everything else.

Week in and week out four of our best five are our senior players so I don't think there is any dissent among the playing group.
It's simply that much of the talent that we have is raw and the run of the mill players that we've surrounded them with (Casboult, Mullet, Lamb, Kennedy, Graham etc.) aren't good enough.
We won't see any real improvement and consistency until our youngsters have another 40 games in them and we've been able to replace some or all of our scrubbers.

I need to see a few more tricks from Kennedy before I'm convinced that he's anything more than an honest battler, he's the bloke you recruit when you can't get Mitchell, O'Meara, Treloar, Dangerfield or Kelly.
Our midfield last night consisted of Cripps, a couple of triers and a couple of green as grass kids, that won't win many games of AFL football.

Issue is, if the players aren't putting in any fair dinkum effort at all then there is a problem far removed from ability. We've had one period since 2001 where this hasn't been an issue at some stage, 2008-13 and we there got hamstrung theren having Wayne Hughes as our recruiter. As Lods said, what is happening within the dynamics of the club

2008-2012 was a disaster for the club and one of the major reasons we are where we are today, and before anyone gets defensive of Ratten I'm not blaming him for it, or at least not entirely although he would have had some say in the trades we made you would reckon.

Of all the players drafted or traded in during that period only Graham and Rowe remain on our list, in effect it's a lost five years.

2008-2012 was a disaster for the club and one of the major reasons we are where we are today, and before anyone gets defensive of Ratten I'm not blaming him for it, or at least not entirely although he would have had some say in the trades we made you would reckon.
Of all the players drafted or traded in during that period only Graham and Rowe remain on our list, in effect it's a lost five years.
At the moment the confidence of the group is low and even our better players find themselves under pressure and making mistakes, but when you remove Docherty, Gibbs and Murphy from a team which finished 16th last year results like last night are more or less inevitable in the short term.

Recruiting-wise it was a real disaster for the club and hurt badly. If only we had SOS in those days. You could talk flags then. your recruiter the most important man in the club. Coach is important but you can change those. Recruiter mistakes hurt for years.

I think you need to review those facts!

No other players come to mind LP but I'll stand corrected.
Edit: Ed Curnow as well, and while Ed has a red hot go you'd hardly build a Premiership side around him, Rowey or Nick Graham.

And Levi. Below is a horror story Table of every player we have ever drafted.

That is basically it. I keep saying it that period set us back 10 years.

Ratten and SOS would've been such a different story. Just show how important recruiting staff is. That's the difference between a possible flag and the pits of $hit where we are now.