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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #135
Glad you mentioned this. The illegal tactics used on H and Charles, in particular, are, to be blunt, horrendous. And the blocking of Crippa is something I hope the club brings to the attention of the AFL. Pronto.
Umpires pinged Pitto for "blocking", using straight arms in the ruck, I thought that was allowed in 2024?

But shepherding Cripps off the ball is all OK with the opponents often having their back to the footy, although the bigger bodied opponents are now basically pushing back into Cripps and holding him momentarily behind their back.
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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #136
He put his arms around him, once you do that youre gone.
Go back and watch the replay, Walsh is basically in a bear hug every other stoppage with arms around his waist, nada, nothing, nought!

Fans want to whack Williams, but what he did players do all the time and do not get pinged. The willingness of fans to throw rocks at Williams goes back to when he signed on, fans bitched and moaned about the dollars, but that is not Williams fault, much like it wasn't the fault of Martin or McGovern before him. But the dollars put him in the sh1thouse with many fans forever more, with the dollars promoting some weird sort of tall poppy syndrome!

Then you have the intentional out of bounds, our bloke gets pinged for a kick off the side of the boot that dribbles past 3 or 4 players, Pendlebury kicks it 50m almost directly sideways in the dying moments and gets away with it. When Pendlebury kicked there wasn't a player within 35m of where the ball headed.

These are game changing moments caused by officials not good play by an opponent.

I get our club doesn't want to be seen as whinging, but if they are raising these issues in a very public way it's never going to go our way. The privacy does nothing, we need the AFL giving fans a public explanation. When the AFL officials get sick of making up excuses, the errors will diminish.
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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #137
Go back and watch the replay, Walsh is basically in a bear hug every other stoppage with arms around his waist, nada, nothing, nought!

Fans want to whack Williams, but what he did players do all the time and do not get pinged. The willingness of fans to throw rocks at Williams goes back to when he signed on, fans bitched and moaned about the dollars, but that is not Williams fault, much like it wasn't the fault of Martin or McGovern before him. But the dollars put him in the sh1thouse with many fans forever more with the dollars equating to tall poppy syndrome!

Then you have the intentional out of bounds, our bloke gets pinged for a kick off the side of the boot, Pendlebury kicks it 50m almost directly sideways in the dying moments and gets away with it.

These are game changing moments caused by officials not good play by an opponent.

I get our club doesn't want to be seen as whinging, but if they are raising these issues in a very public way it's never going to go our way. The privacy does nothing, we need the AFL giving fans a public explanation. When the AFL officials get sick of making up excuses, the errors will diminish.
I dont need to watch anything, I saw it the first time.
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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #138
Go back and watch the replay, Walsh is basically in a bear hug every other stoppage with arms around his waist, nada, nothing, nought!

Fans want to whack Williams, but what he did players do all the time and do not get pinged. The willingness of fans to throw rocks at Williams goes back to when he signed on, fans bitched and moaned about the dollars, but that is not Williams fault, much like it wasn't the fault of Martin or McGovern before him. But the dollars put him in the sh1thouse with many fans forever more with the dollars equating to tall poppy syndrome!

Then you have the intentional out of bounds, our bloke gets pinged for a kick off the side of the boot, Pendlebury kicks it 50m almost directly sideways in the dying moments and gets away with it.

These are game changing moments caused by officials not good play by an opponent.

I get our club doesn't want to be seen as whinging, but if they are raising these issues in a very public way it's never going to go our way. The privacy does nothing, we need the AFL giving fans a public explanation. When the AFL officials get sick of making up excuses, the errors will diminish.
Frees were even overall and we cant mask the errors we made by blaming umpires....the Pendlebury kick was 50/50 imo and we wouldnt want that paid against us in the same situation.....if he had a man on him at the ball up we wouldnt have had an issue like when he kicked that important goal from an easy leadup mark inside 50 where some lazy Carlton opponent didnt pick him up and he was miles in the clear.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #139
Frees were even overall and we cant mask the errors we made by blaming umpires....the Pendlebury kick was 50/50 imo and we wouldnt want that paid against us in the same situation.....if he had a man on him at the ball up we wouldnt have had an issue like when he kicked that important goal from an easy leadup mark inside 50 where some lazy Carlton opponent didnt pick him up and he was miles in the clear.

The count might have been even but the infringing wasn't and paying a free kick instead of a mark at times makes it even.  Ignoring the ones that were there and paying twiggy touchwood ones are the problem.

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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #140
Not paying the ones to Harry doesnt make the Elliot ones not there. Point is he panicked everytime the ball csme to them
tell me why Stanley gets away with a hold and Zac williams doesn't.  Hands around the player marking happens in EVERY contest.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson


Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #142
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo1A_wP81NI
Cant argue with Lloyd on that.
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2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #143
tell me why Stanley gets away with a hold and Zac williams doesn't.  Hands around the player marking happens in EVERY contest.


Who's Stanley?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #144
Collingwood's game tally for tackles, and tackles I50 were significantly above their season averages. Their tally for I50's and clearances was also well above their average.

They played out of their skins on the tackling side of things, and that level of commitment and effort is not sustainable.


 

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #146
Collingwood's game tally for tackles, and tackles I50 were significantly above their season averages. Their tally for I50's and clearances was also well above their average.

They played out of their skins on the tackling side of things, and that level of commitment and effort is not sustainable.
I thought everything about their "game" wasn't sustainable last year until it was.
2017-16th
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2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #147
Cant argue with Lloyd on that.
Yep he nailed it and I thought the midfield stuff was on the money too, they had a plan , worked us out and I thought Pendlebury was finished but he played some game on the bigger Cripps.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #148
Yep he nailed it and I thought the midfield stuff was on the money too, they had a plan , worked us out and I thought Pendlebury was finished but he played some game on the bigger Cripps.
Charlie might be carrying a niggle that is preventing him from churning out kms or being explosive. Who knows? All I can see is that he isn't himself. Again, I dont want to highlight him when you have 7 or 8 that were very bad.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #149
I thought everything about their "game" wasn't sustainable last year until it was.

They laid 88 tackles last night, their season average is 67.6. Their 2023 season average for tackles was 64.1. You won't be laying 88 tackles very often in one season. The link between their high tackle numbers and the I50 differential seems pretty clear in my non expert opinion.