Carlton Supporters Club

No, there's no mistake. There's lots of speculation, there's lots of hypothesizing, lots of theorizing, lots of calculations, but not anything of substance. Just a big merry go round of nothingness. The only reason they speculate on things that cannot be seen or measured or known in any way is that they insist that gravity is the only way to explain mathematical anomalies, and must therefore get things to fit a pre existing theory. Why else would you go searching for something completely out of thin air ? Why make life enormously complicated for yourself, why tie yourself in knots, unless you have a theory or model to maintain ?

If 90% of what we know fits a given model isn’t it a good place to start by trying to incorporate what you don’t understand into that model ?
Ultimately if it doesn’t fit, it won’t and a new model will be needed that allows for what we observe...
We can observe things that we can’t see directly, we can see how they interact with other things, to say that they don’t exist is just denialism.
Science is saying, “I see what you’re doing so I know that you’re there, I just need to find a way to see you”

Science can say whatever it likes. Despite the number of decades that have passed, the number of scientists, computers, calculations etc., there has in fact been very little progress made in the discovery of dark matter and energy - a bit of lensing here, some Hubble something or other there, a Bullet Cluster somewhere else, there's very little to go on. A whole lot of filler, and very little meat.

You may think it's just a matter of time, and such discoveries are a historical inevitability, and maybe it is, but some of us aren't convinced by what amounts to shadows, inferred existence and the like.

My sister has a phd in theoretical physics, dad has one in something to do with physical chemistry (still not sure what that is!).  Dinner time got boring, so sorry LP and Paul, going back to the thread!

So SSM has been in for 12 months with relatively few SS couples tying the knot (~5% - may be spurious stats).

There is now a greater push re binary and non binary genders, the Tassie stuff about leaving gender off birth certificates, still strong debate about Safe Schools and anti LGBTQI discrimination (teachers and students) in religious schools.

These are not related to marriage, but seem to hold some strength in the non-hetero world.  Couple of questions:

1) Have these gathered strength as they are the next thing on the list
2) What % of the population are we talking about that aren't hetero.

They are sort of curiosities of mine - haven't really formed views how well society is progressing with the polarising opinion that is offered on both sides of the debate.

Yet there is an infinite amount of evidence for dark matter or dark energy compared to an angel, telepathy maybe even Sheldrake by your measures!

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Why, after decades of frankly fruitless research, do we not look at some other theories ?

I say they're fruitless because the amount of money, time and energy expended has yielded very little. If there was something worth reporting, it would be common knowledge, and not arid technical mumbo jumbo that appears in places intended for cosmo wonks or physicists.

As for the rest of your post, you have I assume never read Thomas Kuhn, or else you wouldn't be making such outlandish statements. Science is no more interested in truth than any other institution. The reason why science won't meaningfully explore any other options is that there is too much invested in, and too much riding on, the current theories. The Titanic doesn't change course easily. Neither, it seems, do certain egos.

You try the same shtick on kruddler, mbb and others. Lots of waffle, little substance. I will ask you again. One very simple question - where is the direct evidence for dark energy and dark matter ? Not implied, not inferred, direct.

So the answer to my previous question is no ?