In what has to be one of the more insipid performances by this club, we have lost to the bottom-placed Melbourne who normally get belted by 12-goals or more by the rest of the clubs.
There was no teamwork, there was no system, there was no willingness to work hard, there was basically bugger-all from a team which told us all week that they were embarrassed and would show some fight this week.
This has gone on for way too long, heads have to roll now. We are officially the laughing stock of the league and as a long-time supporter (and I'm sure I speak for many people), it is embarrassing to be a Carlton supporter when your team will not at least have a fair dinkum dip.
We can all handle losing if we go down fighting, none of this fair-weather crap !!!
I fear for where this club is headed because the key administrators tell us one thing and then the coach contradicts those comments. The players keep getting well paid to produce very little all the while the poor old supporters keep getting asked to open their wallets and tip in more money.
Seriously Carlton, if you want the rank & file people to support you, then you have to start delivering what you say you will and until such time as that happens, you will never ever earn any respect inside or outside of the club.
In what has to be one of the more insipid performances by this club, we have lost to the bottom-placed Melbourne who normally get belted by 12-goals or more by the rest of the clubs.
There was no teamwork, there was no system, there was no willingness to work hard, there was basically bugger-all from a team which told us all week that they were embarrassed and would show some fight this week.
This has gone on for way too long, heads have to roll now. We are officially the laughing stock of the league and as a long-time supporter (and I'm sure I speak for many people), it is embarrassing to be a Carlton supporter when your team will not at least have a fair dinkum dip.
We can all handle losing if we go down fighting, none of this fair-weather crap !!!
I fear for where this club is headed because the key administrators tell us one thing and then the coach contradicts those comments. The players keep getting well paid to produce very little all the while the poor old supporters keep getting asked to open their wallets and tip in more money.
Seriously Carlton, if you want the rank & file people to support you, then you have to start delivering what you say you will and until such time as that happens, you will never ever earn any respect inside or outside of the club.
AND SO SAY ALL OF US >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Our players need to watch that game during the week and watch what happens when you play with a bit of heart and passion as Melbourne did, because frankly I can't see one of our players giving it there all out there.
I struggle with losing but I can't stomach not having a serious go.
Murphy - simply disgraceful is the politest thing I can say.
58% efficiency versus 75%, says it all really. More scoring shots, more disposals, more inside 50's. Just crape with the footy.
And 0% heart and 0% work rate.
Out worked by the worst* club in the AFL..... yep, no crisis at Carlton.... yep, nothing to see here, move along....
*before today.
Wouldn't of mattered if Waite, Garlett and Bell were playing it would of been the same result. We are a broken club. I don't blame Mick totally the players are weak with no heart. Simpson has to be made Captain he is the only player with a heart bigger than a pea in this team.
At least it makes Essendons win last week look less impressive
Players have to be banished to the seconds, go with a youth policy for the rest of the season and then sack everyone who isn't part of the future.
If Malthouse has any shred of decency, he'll resign tomorrow, if not he should be sacked on Monday along with Barker, Green & co.
I've got nothing.....just sadness
We can rehash the debates from last week but the reasons (and the blame) will be the same.
It's a total club responsibility and there's blame at all levels.
Those that came out saying "watch how we respond" have been made to look silly.
Those that said "there is no crisis" have been made to look silly.
The players have done themselves a great disservice by failing to respond.
Perhaps the only question that needs to be asked is..... "how many signatures are needed for an extraordinary general meeting?"
Players have to be banished to the seconds, go with a youth policy for the rest of the season and then sack everyone who isn't part of the future.
If Malthouse has any shred of decency, he'll resign tomorrow, if not he should be sacked on Monday along with Barker, Green & co.
Agree, but will not happen. No chance.
100.
100.
Let's do it. >:(
Problem is who'd... want the task of taking on the job of fixing it up. ::)
The honourable thing would be to resign but coaches don't. So sack him.
The serious question to ask is.... who do we get in as caretaker?
I'd be tempted to go like '95 and let the senior players set the agenda and game plan, and somebody like Wiley can keep track of the interchanges.
That way all the onus is on the list and not on some "coach".
How embarrassing is that.
If we cant beat Melbourne....then who the fark are we gonna beat? Where is this team headed?
Their skills were never great but it has totally deserted them. They have absolutely no run and couldnt even play man on man when required!! How many times did Melb players find space??? Too fkn easy and it's due to lack of effort.
MM...you dont have the cattle to play the game style you want.
Either change the game plan to suit your cattle or start looking at a retirement village.
For such a great coach, how have you managed to suck the life and confidence out of the 22 weak plicks you choose to wear our beloved navy blue Guernsey every week?
This is simply disgraceful. Not acceptable by any stretch.
I'm simply staggered that for whatever reason....we've stooped to this low...again. >:(
No leadership. Simple. Solve this and we will be competitive again. Who is our luke hodge Jobe Watson Gary Ablett? Melbourne have more leadership than us. Melbourne seems like a ironic example. Previously they had two young players as captains and no leadership quality players. What roos as done he has bought in players who have this quality cross, vince etc. Yeh sure thy aren't the greatest players but they have something our guys lack. I'm not saying we should have gotten these guys, but we need to go done a similar path, in terms of devolping leadership. This is part of the reason y we recruited Judd back then but sadely haven't followed through on it.
This is in no way a excuse for the poor skills displayed out on the ground today or a sheild protecting mick from cristism but I see this as a major underlying problem. Murphy and I can say the same for majority of the list can't go "right enough is enough, follow me"
At least we had Fev in the dark years.... we won't kick three goals against any of the top 4.
The honourable thing would be to resign but coaches don't. So sack him.
The serious question to ask is.... who do we get in as caretaker?
I'd be tempted to go like '95 and let the senior players set the agenda and game plan, and somebody like Wiley can keep track of the interchanges.
That way all the onus is on the list and not on some "coach".
Can't sack him because we've loaded up with Mickites.
Wiley, Buttifant are probably on 3 year deals as well.
So sad.
At least it makes Essendons win last week look less impressive
That's the only positive I came up with. And we don't have Travis Cloke on 1 mil plus a year
Disgraceful performance.
At our lowest ebb since the dark days and gees aren't the quality number one draft pricks earning their gold coin..
I was gunna make a trip over this year being the 150th, but stuff it ..
At least it makes Essendons win last week look less impressive
That's the only positive I came up with. And we don't have Travis Cloke on 1 mil plus a year
Not that we didn't try.
They won't sack Mick.
His press conferences this year are going to be all time.
At least it makes Essendons win last week look less impressive
That's the only positive I came up with. And we don't have Travis Cloke on 1 mil plus a year
Not that we didn't try.
If only we picked up Xavier Clake
Would we beat Brisbane?
Would we beat Brisbane?
We couldn't beat an egg !!
Would we beat Brisbane?
We couldn't beat an egg !!
True. Silly question on my part.
Would we beat Brisbane?
We can beat them, we can beat them with Warnock, if we use him like a baseball bat!
Well that sucked. After last week I thought we'd have pumped Melbourne. This is a side that has played finals 4 of the last 5 years so no excuse in regards to the ability to thump the guts out of a side like Melbourne.. The culture of this club is terrible. No work rate, attitude...no anything. Tail wags the dog too much in this club.
Wasted our time and $$$$$ sacking Ratts. He has a nice cushy job with the Hawks. No stress.
So who on here thought it was a good idea sacking him. Next coach....
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The game gave 1AW a "Yuck" feeling! :-[
Just like his disposal.
WTF , this is now the third time I've seen a Carlton side that does not want to play for the coach and ended with a sacking....I reckon now Sod's law they will keep the coach and have another 6-10 years of crape mind f##king rebuild....ain't easy beating blue..
In what has to be one of the more insipid performances by this club, we have lost to the bottom-placed Melbourne who normally get belted by 12-goals or more by the rest of the clubs.
There was no teamwork, there was no system, there was no willingness to work hard, there was basically bugger-all from a team which told us all week that they were embarrassed and would show some fight this week.
This has gone on for way too long, heads have to roll now. We are officially the laughing stock of the league and as a long-time supporter (and I'm sure I speak for many people), it is embarrassing to be a Carlton supporter when your team will not at least have a fair dinkum dip.
We can all handle losing if we go down fighting, none of this fair-weather crap !!!
I fear for where this club is headed because the key administrators tell us one thing and then the coach contradicts those comments. The players keep getting well paid to produce very little all the while the poor old supporters keep getting asked to open their wallets and tip in more money.
Seriously Carlton, if you want the rank & file people to support you, then you have to start delivering what you say you will and until such time as that happens, you will never ever earn any respect inside or outside of the club.
Have to agree Shiek, this is all through the club.
Hard to understand this team, we win most of the stats, so we can win the ball, but we can't convert . Structure lacking , seeming to point directly back to coaching? Thoughts?
on a lighter note, second female goal ump WB V GWS
haute!
Wilted under physical pressure from Melbourne LOL
Would we beat Brisbane?
We couldn't beat an egg !!
Thanks Sheik. the last thing I expected to do after a loss like that was to laugh.
I'd usually be screaming at someone or wanting to rip someones head off but that one liner right there............i'm still crying at how funny ( and true ) that is!!
17 posses from Cripps is pretty good - anyone see him up close?
17 posses from Cripps is pretty good - anyone see him up close?
Fantastic hands and reflexes, great determination, very slow leg speed, ran out of puff pretty early. He's one if our saviours........in about 3 year's time
Schlick, Gillette, Wilkinson Sword.......does anyone have any preference.
Simply makes no sense sacking Malthouse now. We're committed to him of we like it or not and we have to work with what we have right now.
The good news is that there are probably 7 of our best 22 missing (Judd, Kreuzer, Waite, Garlett, Robinson, Menzel, Docherty) and I guess that there are probably 5 or so others that are we'll below their "par" (Walker, Tuohy, Thomas, Murphy, Henderson). So, today's loss didn't come as a surprise.
Simply makes no sense sacking Malthouse now. We're committed to him of we like it or not and we have to work with what we have right now.
The good news is that there are probably 7 of our best 22 missing (Judd, Kreuzer, Waite, Garlett, Robinson, Menzel, Docherty) and I guess that there are probably 5 or so others that are we'll below their "par" (Walker, Tuohy, Thomas, Murphy, Henderson). So, today's loss didn't come as a surprise.
trouble is, its not working at all
there's some serious damage happening now
17 posses from Cripps is pretty good - anyone see him up close?
I did.
He's a player, so are Buckley and Menzel, but gee do we have some scrubbers running around or what?
As I saw it only Walker, Yarran and Warnock put in hard for four quarters, Yarran ran his guts out.
Henderson's first half was good and so was Simpson's second, Thomas can't seem to get going and Carrazzo looks like a spent force.
If anyone has the stomach for the replay watch Gibbs stand a mark about ten minutes into the last quarter, a bit of a jump here and there and one hand held up in a token effort as the Melbourne player kicked, it typified our effort for the day when most of our blokes seemed to just go through the motions, coming from one of our best players it was a shocking example.
There's just no self belief, even given the lack of skills, it was depressing to watch and until we start turning up primed for a fight I won't be bothered again.
Schlick, Gillette, Wilkinson Sword.......does anyone have any preference.
Cut throat.
Malthouse blamed the loss of Menzel and Jamison!
17 posses from Cripps is pretty good - anyone see him up close?
Fantastic hands and reflexes, great determination, very slow leg speed, ran out of puff pretty early. He's one if our saviours........in about 3 year's time
cheers cob.
Malthouse blamed the loss of Menzel and Jamison!
Losing Menzel really hurt, he'd been very busy and everything he does is classy.
When he did the ankle he got straight up, layed a tackle and won a free kick, he will become a very good player.
Malthouse blamed the loss of Menzel and Jamison!
Losing Menzel really hurt, he'd been very busy and everything he does is classy.
When he did the ankle he got straight up, layed a tackle and won a free kick, he will become a very good player.
But recall some saying, injuries are no excuse!
One thing is for sure, karma is a bitch!
Lack of personnel is no excuse for lack of desire and pathetic work rate. In fact, the inclusions showed more heart than many so-called senior players.
If that is the best MM has to offer, it's over for him!
This week the club needed to show us something, the players needed to show us something and the coaches needed to show us something.
They sure as hell did!
went to the g today and finally had the last shred of arrogance left in me from the glory days torn from me. Pagan couldn't do it , ratts gave me hope, mick has succeeded. Worst display of lack of heart and teamwork I've had to endure. I'm numb.
ret ready for some more pain next week. We will get steamrolled by the Bulldogs.
Malthouse blamed the loss of Menzel and Jamison!
Menzel wasnt exactly tearing it up and Frawley was all over Jamo.......
Malthouse blamed the loss of Menzel and Jamison!
Losing Menzel really hurt, he'd been very busy and everything he does is classy.
When he did the ankle he got straight up, layed a tackle and won a free kick, he will become a very good player.
But recall some saying, injuries are no excuse!
One thing is for sure, karma is a bitch!
I'm not looking for excuses, we were outplayed.
Our skills are so poor that it becomes infectious, players lose the belief.
When Yarran kicked a goal in the last quarter we needed three to win with about 10 or 12 minutes on the clock, plenty of time but no one revving up or urging, the body language was that of a team resigned to losing.
At the next centre bounce we coughed it up again with a simple handball error and that was that, we packed up and left.
Malthouse blamed the loss of Menzel and Jamison!
With half the side off injured we still should beat Melbourne. That excuse won't wash.
I work two jobs, have a young family, mortgage, cars loans etc like most on here. Over winter when Tassie is bleak and dark I have one thing each week that I look forward to, sitting down and watch Carlton play. Even if they don't win I can't least watch a team trying.
Instead what I've got this year is an empty feeling, my club talks itself up, has a coach on millions, players on hundreds of thousands, getting around asking for my hard earned and loyalty with memberships and raffles and merchandise to support that crap.
This team has taken my love for the club and wiped their arse on it and what's more, they will rock up to training be told what they did wrong and look to next week to deliver the same sh1t.
I've heard how high pressure it is for players at clubs funnily enough by other players, how about these players drop their salary to 10% of what their getting, don't have a contract so they have the very real axe of unemployment sitting over their heads when they don't perform and see how high the pressure is then.
Unfortunately Murphy, Gibbs etc have never had to fight for their spot in the team they can play like rubbish and still get a game next week.
Ryan Trainor if you come lurking again this week like you do often then take back to the board this question, why should I pay for a membership to give Malthouse and the players, massive salaries and all the perks when they don't even try and have no consequences apart from some bad press for the week? Yet for me, it rips my heart out. I look at my club and feel disgusted at the lack of heart. I look at other clubs who play with effort and feel jealous.
But hey, Malthouse will hold his press conference and deflect as many questions as he can, maybe berate a reporter for trying to do his job or bully a camera man for eating. Where is the public scorn of the players? Sticks will release a video via the website and Swann will go on KBs show joking around and saying how next weeks effort will be better. Then the Bulldogs will give us a lesson on playing with pride.
I've had a gutful.
fkn mark robinson cant ask a question to save himself
when he ask MM if he felt pressured for job, MM said why do you say that?
I would have said, " you rated this list as one that has a premiership window" just recently
Malthouse blamed the loss of Menzel and Jamison!
Okay he is now officially senile.
Murphy has to go as captain as well. Runs into an open goal and instead of taking the responsibility and being a fricken leader he dishes off to Yarran with someone hot on his heels. He is no leader of men or any leader. Menzel shows more leadership.
Murphy's dive halfway through the last quarter was Neymaresque! Needed to take the ball and instead just fell over and staged for the free. I knew then and there that it was over.
Murphy's dive halfway through the last quarter was Neymnaresque! Needed to take the ball and instead just fell over and staged for the free. I knew then and there that it was over.
I wonder how often hodge or brown staged for a free when the ball was there to be won?
I was going to come on here and abuse the cr2p out of the players, MM and the club but now that I have a couple of brewskis I am thinking with a calmer head.
WTF? How do you get a job that pays a few hundred thou a year and you don't have to perform? WTF?
These guys are taking the piss, the only time we flew the flag was when Murph was on the ground being hassled (after the whistle) and our two juniors, Cripps and Graham came in and showed some strength with a bit of push and shove. Bloody Curnow was only metres away. Bloody disgraceful that a first gamer and a boy playing his 4th game were the only one protecting the skipper.
The Skipper, don't get me started on this limp fish, pathetic excuse of a LEEEADER.
Saw him talking at the end of the game to the boys, but who was really listening?
I found myself barracking for Melb near the end hoping that them beating us might change a few things around the club for the better.
Then it got me thinking, the last time that happened was 10 years ago during the dark years, so nothing has changed in a decade. Utter Bullcrap!
This club is going nowhere and nowhere fast (actually to the bottom of the ladder)
Malthouse blamed the loss of Menzel and Jamison!
Losing Menzel really hurt, he'd been very busy and everything he does is classy.
When he did the ankle he got straight up, layed a tackle and won a free kick, he will become a very good player.
But recall some saying, injuries are no excuse!
One thing is for sure, karma is a bitch!
I'm not looking for excuses, we were outplayed.
Our skills are so poor that it becomes infectious, players lose the belief.
When Yarran kicked a goal in the last quarter we needed three to win with about 10 or 12 minutes on the clock, plenty of time but no one revving up or urging, the body language was that of a team resigned to losing.
At the next centre bounce we coughed it up again with a simple handball error and that was that, we packed up and left.
Sure reads like an excuse to me.
I'm not looking for excuses, we were outplayed.
Our skills are so poor that it becomes infectious, players lose the belief.
When Yarran kicked a goal in the last quarter we needed three to win with about 10 or 12 minutes on the clock, plenty of time but no one revving up or urging, the body language was that of a team resigned to losing.
At the next centre bounce we coughed it up again with a simple handball error and that was that, we packed up and left.
Sure reads like an excuse to me.
Calm down.
Melbourne have gone past us in just three games, we all know who to blame, many just don't want to say it!
But Malthouse is definitely the right coach to take us forward. Let's give him an extension right now.
Match Reports;
MRP is going to be busy.
- Carlton reported for faking, faking to be footballers!
- Malthouse, reported for faking to be a coach!
I'm not looking for excuses, we were outplayed.
Our skills are so poor that it becomes infectious, players lose the belief.
When Yarran kicked a goal in the last quarter we needed three to win with about 10 or 12 minutes on the clock, plenty of time but no one revving up or urging, the body language was that of a team resigned to losing.
At the next centre bounce we coughed it up again with a simple handball error and that was that, we packed up and left.
Sure reads like an excuse to me.
Calm down.
Melbourne have gone past us in just three games, we all know who to blame many just don't want to say it!
The thing is that the same things have been said ad nauseum on these boards for the best part of 10 years, I can remember Kouta and Lance getting bagged for a lack of leadership during their stints as skipper and Nick Stevens copped an absolute hammering when he was our one and only skilled midfielder, just like Murphy is now.
The only way forward is as a club, sacking Malthouse and bagging out Murphy will get us precisely nowhere.
Match Reports;
MRP is going to be busy.
- Carlton reported for faking, faking to be footballers!
- Malthouse, reported for faking to be a coach!
They will get off as minor misdemeanors ::)
17 posses from Cripps is pretty good - anyone see him up close?
Flattered him - don't get sucked-in by a stat count, he looks as slow as the Queen Mary. No better than any of his spud teammates.
Not one player deserves a semblance of credit out there today......no, I tell a lie, I'd give a half ounce to Yarran & Simmo. That is all.
Surely our illustrious, over-governed Board has to make a decision.....HAS to.....today was a defining moment. All the talk coming out of the Club all week....Sticks, Macca, Mick, Murphy, anyone who had a microphone shoved in front of them, was that last week was unacceptable & that a performance like that won't happen again....blah, blah-fcking, blah - well guess what? It happened again & this time it's worse.....much, much worse.
I cannot remember a worst captain of our Football Club either in my lifetime or via any reputation from before I was born. Marc Murphy is officially a laughing stock of the AFL right now....he absolutely is.
Last week I was embarrassed....this week I was ashamed. When was the last time our players were booed by our own supporters? It happened today at 3/4 time & it was fully deserved....AND it didn't change a thing in the psyche playing group in the last quarter, as yet more rubbish-football was produced.
Apart from the obsession with the boundary line, I have absolutely no idea what our gameplan is.....and no-one can tell me they do from what they've seen this year. We get the ball across half-back & simply go sideways every single fcking time across to the other flank, then have nothing to kick to. If, by miracle, we do get a possession forward of centre, we have absolutely nothing to kick to.
We simply don't have enough players on our list to replace all of the never-to-play-again muppets we've got clogging up our list. Curnow finishing 4th in our B&F last year is a serious indictment on this list, as he is a complete & utter hack with the ball in his hands.
Sam Rowe: you coming back from cancer is a great story but you can't play for crap. Lachie Henderson reverted back to 'bad Lachie' today....the hopeless Lachie of 3 years ago. Warnock is a useless piece of crap around the ground. I can't wait for Gibbs to fcuk off back to Adelaide. We gave James Frawley every reason NOT to want to even entertain the thought of coming to Carlton no matter how much we might've been prepared to offer him. Kane Lucas is simply a horrible footballer, Zach Tuohy can catch the next Air Lingus flight back to Ireland for all I care, Davey Ellard has a crack but he's just not good enough, Carrazzo is as ineffective as he's ever been, I thought I was watching Everitt in his Bulldog days today, Jamo was a sch!t-truck, Scotland got worse as the game wore on, Casboult isn't & never will be the answer, whilst Walker played possibly his worst ever game.
There are absolutely zero positives to come from this result.....except that it is now officially clear, that the playing group & the coach are worlds apart.
Fancy the Club saying that there was a meeting during the week with the players to confirm they were all onboard with Mick's gameplan, only for Mick to come out and refute any such meeting took place? Are you fcking kidding me!?!?!? Classic case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand's doing = rabble.
So - what do we do from here? This is as low as I've felt as a Carlton supporter in recent memory. This Club does not deserve our support right now....it doesn't. It won't happen, but I'd love next weekend's game to be devoid of Carlton support, as a protest en masse against the coach, the President, the players, the whole damn sorry excuse for a Football Club. You show us you give a crap & we'll do the same....
Wow.....this has really got me rattled. To produce that after what we produced last week.....wow......
I work two jobs, have a young family, mortgage, cars loans etc like most on here. Over winter when Tassie is bleak and dark I have one thing each week that I look forward to, sitting down and watch Carlton play. Even if they don't win I can't least watch a team trying.
Instead what I've got this year is an empty feeling, my club talks itself up, has a coach on millions, players on hundreds of thousands, getting around asking for my hard earned and loyalty with memberships and raffles and merchandise to support that crap.
This team has taken my love for the club and wiped their arse on it and what's more, they will rock up to training be told what they did wrong and look to next week to deliver the same sh1t.
I've heard how high pressure it is for players at clubs funnily enough by other players, how about these players drop their salary to 10% of what their getting, don't have a contract so they have the very real axe of unemployment sitting over their heads when they don't perform and see how high the pressure is then.
Unfortunately Murphy, Gibbs etc have never had to fight for their spot in the team they can play like rubbish and still get a game next week.
Ryan Trainor if you come lurking again this week like you do often then take back to the board this question, why should I pay for a membership to give Malthouse and the players, massive salaries and all the perks when they don't even try and have no consequences apart from some bad press for the week? Yet for me, it rips my heart out. I look at my club and feel disgusted at the lack of heart. I look at other clubs who play with effort and feel jealous.
But hey, Malthouse will hold his press conference and deflect as many questions as he can, maybe berate a reporter for trying to do his job or bully a camera man for eating. Where is the public scorn of the players? Sticks will release a video via the website and Swann will go on KBs show joking around and saying how next weeks effort will be better. Then the Bulldogs will give us a lesson on playing with pride.
I've had a gutful.
I felt empty watching the game at the ground. Was like the dark years. Pathetic lack of heart. The players looked scared in failing to follow a gameplan and anxious of making mistakes. How MM didn't move Henderson back early in the second to tighten things up...astounding. So many played woefully, but Murphy and walker were dreadful. He should give up the captaincy voluntarily to Henderson.
I am tempted to give my boss at PwC a call and ask him to put his hat in the ring for the Presidency. He can then bring in the cream from PWC to perform a true top down audit of the club and strip the club down to its hide and rebuild it completely. He would not bat an eyelid either. You don't become CEO by being nice all the time. Many omelettes are made along the way. Just what we need IMO. Step down now Sticks.
I wouldn't be giving Hendo shight most overrated footballer going around ATM.
Heard Sticks on 774 before the game and his final comments were to the effect of, "Calm down everybody, we're not that bad."
Joke.
Heard Sticks on 774 before the game and his final comments were to the effect of, "Calm down everybody, we're not that bad."
Joke.
And totally delusional....
I wouldn't be giving Hendo shight most overrated footballer going around ATM.
Mate. has some credits. Pretty much played no games coming into season.
I work two jobs, have a young family, mortgage, cars loans etc like most on here. Over winter when Tassie is bleak and dark I have one thing each week that I look forward to, sitting down and watch Carlton play. Even if they don't win I can't least watch a team trying.
Instead what I've got this year is an empty feeling, my club talks itself up, has a coach on millions, players on hundreds of thousands, getting around asking for my hard earned and loyalty with memberships and raffles and merchandise to support that crap.
This team has taken my love for the club and wiped their arse on it and what's more, they will rock up to training be told what they did wrong and look to next week to deliver the same sh1t.
I've heard how high pressure it is for players at clubs funnily enough by other players, how about these players drop their salary to 10% of what their getting, don't have a contract so they have the very real axe of unemployment sitting over their heads when they don't perform and see how high the pressure is then.
Unfortunately Murphy, Gibbs etc have never had to fight for their spot in the team they can play like rubbish and still get a game next week.
Ryan Trainor if you come lurking again this week like you do often then take back to the board this question, why should I pay for a membership to give Malthouse and the players, massive salaries and all the perks when they don't even try and have no consequences apart from some bad press for the week? Yet for me, it rips my heart out. I look at my club and feel disgusted at the lack of heart. I look at other clubs who play with effort and feel jealous.
But hey, Malthouse will hold his press conference and deflect as many questions as he can, maybe berate a reporter for trying to do his job or bully a camera man for eating. Where is the public scorn of the players? Sticks will release a video via the website and Swann will go on KBs show joking around and saying how next weeks effort will be better. Then the Bulldogs will give us a lesson on playing with pride.
I've had a gutful.
I hear ya.
The failure is systemic
Its all the way through.
I would get an outsider close to the club to meet with the leadership group
and have a frank conversation with no ramifications - that's a start
I wouldn't be giving Hendo shight most overrated footballer going around ATM.
The most overrated player on our list by a mile is pretty boy Gibbs. Represents why a rebuild is needed. Has
potential and zero heart.
ZERO.
I'm not looking for excuses, we were outplayed.
Our skills are so poor that it becomes infectious, players lose the belief.
When Yarran kicked a goal in the last quarter we needed three to win with about 10 or 12 minutes on the clock, plenty of time but no one revving up or urging, the body language was that of a team resigned to losing.
At the next centre bounce we coughed it up again with a simple handball error and that was that, we packed up and left.
Sure reads like an excuse to me.
Calm down.
Melbourne have gone past us in just three games, we all know who to blame many just don't want to say it!
The thing is that the same things have been said ad nauseum on these boards for the best part of 10 years, I can remember Kouta and Lance getting bagged for a lack of leadership during their stints as skipper and Nick Stevens copped an absolute hammering when he was our one and only skilled midfielder, just like Murphy is now.
The only way forward is as a club, sacking Malthouse and bagging out Murphy will get us precisely nowhere.
That's the problem B4L we are going nowhere because of a comedy of dumb decisions by the board.
I wouldn't be giving Hendo shight most overrated footballer going around ATM.
The most overrated player on our list by a mile is pretty boy Gibbs. Represents why a rebuild is needed. Has potential and zero heart. ZERO.
Disagree.....as I don't think Gibbs is rated by anyone anymore...... :P
What Brettie said times 100!!!!
Murphy's dive halfway through the last quarter was Neymaresque! Needed to take the ball and instead just fell over and staged for the free. I knew then and there that it was over.
I knew it was over when Melbourne decided to tighten up on us half way through the first and we struggled with physical pressure from friggin Melbourne. Think it was a hard hit in the middle of the ground
Thought Hendo has been pretty good considering.
He's certainly killing Trav Cloke at the moment.
So....are we gonna get a public apology from the Club? ;)
Not as a leader he hasn't. Some of his attempts to mark on the lead in the last two weeks have been pissweak. A bloke his size should be imposing himself on the game. All our promising players are dropping off at a rapid rate.
Don't panic.
Mick says we are underestimating the Dees.
Don't panic.
Mick says we are underestimating the Dees.
I did chuckle when I heard that.
I'm not looking for excuses, we were outplayed.
Our skills are so poor that it becomes infectious, players lose the belief.
When Yarran kicked a goal in the last quarter we needed three to win with about 10 or 12 minutes on the clock, plenty of time but no one revving up or urging, the body language was that of a team resigned to losing.
At the next centre bounce we coughed it up again with a simple handball error and that was that, we packed up and left.
Sure reads like an excuse to me.
Calm down.
Melbourne have gone past us in just three games, we all know who to blame many just don't want to say it!
That's the problem B4L we are going nowhere because of a comedy of dumb decisions by the board.
The thing is that the same things have been said ad nauseum on these boards for the best part of 10 years, I can remember Kouta and Lance getting bagged for a lack of leadership during their stints as skipper and Nick Stevens copped an absolute hammering when he was our one and only skilled midfielder, just like Murphy is now.
The only way forward is as a club, sacking Malthouse and bagging out Murphy will get us precisely nowhere.
We've been making the same dumb decisions for more than a decade.
When we won the flag in 95 we still had part of the Kernahan, Bradley, Dorotich, Motley package deal and we'd paid a motza for Diesel Williams, those days are long gone but we have never truly let go of the idea that we are a powerhouse club who can buy its way out of trouble.
We're no good at the draft because we never truly embraced it and put resources into finding the best young talent.
A few years ago the club was telling supporters that they would reintroduce the "Carlton swagger" at a time when we hadn't fired a shot for 6 or 8 years, the arrogance was incredible, but delusional.
The only thing left is for the club and supporters to face reality and start tomorrow on what needs to be done, the first thing is to ditch the notion that Premierships are our birthright.
Wow three certain posters are very conspicuous by their absence.
Don't panic.
Mick says we are underestimating the Dees.
:))
Not as a leader he hasn't. Some of his attempts to mark on the lead in the last two weeks have been pissweak. A bloke his size should be imposing himself on the game. All our promising players are dropping off at a rapid rate.
We are playing like we are sh1te scared to make a mistake, like there is a guy with a whip standing over us and we want him to go past without noticing us.
We had a motto,
The Spirit of Carlton!Our spirit is broken, we have nothing!
17 posses from Cripps is pretty good - anyone see him up close?
Fantastic hands and reflexes, great determination, very slow leg speed, ran out of puff pretty early. He's one if our saviours........in about 3 year's time
Speaking of running out of puff, the bits I did watch I noted many of our blokes on their haunches after running efforts. I saw Yaz, Ellard, Murphy, Simmo in particular at various stages looked stuffed. Is a fitness and fatigue problem that then leads to sloppy disposal and but chasing? We just arent running and spreading like we were last year and years gone by. Has Butters forked up their preps?
Don't panic.
Mick says we are underestimating the Dees.
:))
Did we underestimate The Dees, or overestimate The Mick? ;D
Wow three certain posters are very conspicuous by their absence.
He's in the NB's thread.
You might catch him before he runs off! 8)
Not as a leader he hasn't. Some of his attempts to mark on the lead in the last two weeks have been pissweak. A bloke his size should be imposing himself on the game. All our promising players are dropping off at a rapid rate.
We are playing like we are sh1te scared to make a mistake, like there is a guy with a whip standing over us and we want him to go past without noticing us.
We had a motto, The Spirit of Carlton!
Our spirit is broken, we have nothing!
its sold at dan murphys
I know that this is isn't the answer at all, but I am getting increasingly frustrated by the way that Levi Casboult is being used. It seems that the MM recipe is to start him at CHF and then have him rotating with Warnock in the ruck, intermingled with time off the ground.
We'll, guess what? He's buggered by half time and for three quarters of the match Carlton has no target to kick to. He should be played out of the square providing a target, without the trauma of having to run all over the ground whilst not playing forward - Tony Lockett would be ineffective if he was asked toplay the role that Levi is being asked to play and I noticed that Frawley at the other end was very much a stay at home target.
Henderson is a CHB. Murphy is trying hard and I saw him digging deep in the last quarter to run with his man.
Gibbs looks like he is gone and half hearted snap in the last quarter said it all.
17 posses from Cripps is pretty good - anyone see him up close?
Fantastic hands and reflexes, great determination, very slow leg speed, ran out of puff pretty early. He's one if our saviours........in about 3 year's time
Speaking of running out of puff, the bits I did watch I noted many of our blokes on their haunches after running efforts. I saw Yaz, Ellard, Murphy, Simmo in particular at various stages looked stuffed. Is a fitness and fatigue problem that then leads to sloppy disposal and but chasing? We just arent running and spreading like we were last year and years gone by. Has Butters forked up their preps?
Looks like it.
Another xmas present from MM.
the players had the chance during the week to let MM know they didn't like the game plan and they said nothing.
the players had the chance during the week to let MM know they didn't like the game plan and they said nothing.
Sure, if the report about the player review are correct guys are going to pot the bloke who holds their future in his hands, yeah right!
Things couldn't be working out any better for MM. If the players are unhappy he has closed and bolted the door before they even realised it was open. And now he has delivered two affirmations of his alleged player review. The players are his bitch at the moment and they know it, you won't get diddly squat out of them!
This is old school coaching, like 80s stuff, except in the 2010s you can't get a player to win in spite of you!
the players had the chance during the week to let MM know they didn't like the game plan and they said nothing.
Really.
Secret ballot was it?.
What are they supposed to say? They have no power in that situation.
the players had the chance during the week to let MM know they didn't like the game plan and they said nothing.
With Mick you are either his love child or his whipping boy. Either way, it wouldn't be a good idea.
The only positive from today was Warnock reported. Hopefully the MRP do the right thing by us and rub the spud out for a couple of weeks.
Simply makes no sense sacking Malthouse now. We're committed to him of we like it or not and we have to work with what we have right now.
The good news is that there are probably 7 of our best 22 missing (Judd, Kreuzer, Waite, Garlett, Robinson, Menzel, Docherty) and I guess that there are probably 5 or so others that are we'll below their "par" (Walker, Tuohy, Thomas, Murphy, Henderson). So, today's loss didn't come as a surprise.
Sorry 6, but if you saw Waite and Garlett this arvo I don't think you would have included them in our best 22, especially Jeffy. Docherty will be.
I suspect there were a few of blokes silly enough to pot the plan.
Waite
Garlett
Bell
White
that's why they have no spine, you all whinge that they don't do this and don't do that but they have the opportunity as a whole to stand up and they didn't.
that's why they have no spine, you all whinge that they don't do this and don't do that but they have the opportunity as a whole to stand up and they didn't.
They had been checkmated!
HOW DID THE NORTHERN BLUES GO/
Been out to dinner.
There might be a report on here somewhere, but I'm that deflated after today, that I can't be fkd looking for it.
SORRY. Found the thread.
The only positive from today was Warnock reported. Hopefully the MRP do the right thing by us and rub the spud out for a couple of weeks.
I thought he was one of our best today Prof. Competed all day.
I'm not sure what Tom Harley was on about. He gave of a crap handball in the last, but not much else to complain about.
The only positive from today was Warnock reported. Hopefully the MRP do the right thing by us and rub the spud out for a couple of weeks.
I thought he was one of our best today Prof. Competed all day.
I'm not sure what Tom Harley was on about. He gave of a crap handball in the last, but not much else to complain about.
Melbourne had him listed among their best! ;)
The only positive from today was Warnock reported. Hopefully the MRP do the right thing by us and rub the spud out for a couple of weeks.
I thought he was one of our best today Prof. Competed all day.
I'm not sure what Tom Harley was on about. He gave of a crap handball in the last, but not much else to complain about.
Melbourne had him listed among their best! ;)
It's alright LP.
Hampson is doing nothing over at the Tiges either. He's better off over there because he'd be in the magoos with us. ;D
We kicked four goals after the 10 minute mark of the first quarter against Melbourne. Just let that sink in for a minute.
Spent $480 on a membership this year. Total waste of money.
Can't believe how little vigor was on display around the ball. Malthouse said in his press conference that Murphy was pushed forward to take Jones out of the play. Nathan Jones, that superstar from the previous worst team in the AFL.
Day was summed up by Gibbs shot at goal in the last quarter. No care.
The game plan does not suit our team as we don't have mobile tall targets - and we can't hit targets by foot.
Reckon this is much worse than the Pagan era. Heads must roll.
It's alright LP.
Hampson is doing nothing over at the Tiges either. He's better off over there because he'd be in the magoos with us. ;D
He'd be better off in the magoos than with us! ;)
Was at the game and it dead set felt like 2006-7 all over again. didn't look like scoring at times and the so called fight never eventuated. Quite sad really.
I m so sick of our players its not funny, coach killers the lot of them. I for one will stick with MM, only because our players have ruined the careers of two other coaches and it aint gonna happen again.
A vey sad day for the CFC but a very good one for the MM haters, they can give full vent to their lust for a coach's blood. ;D
Seriously though I saw a certain old time power broker of our once great club outside Gate 6 today. Looked very dishevelled, broken down, washed up and posing for photos with passing d1ckheads. I thought it was quite symbolic really. I'll go and watch my movie now and let the dogs savage the carcass of our club. :(
I suspect there were a few of blokes silly enough to pot the plan.
Waite
Garlett
Bell
White
Sorry can't pay that one, White was a god out.
I guess it is to much to ask, but I want Simmo to front the media this week and tell it like it is, not the usual array of patsies and limp dciks trotting out BS responses.
For some reason I get the feeling - based upon watching this bloke give 110% for 10+ years win, lose or draw- that Simmo is the heart of Carlton not rest of the so-called "leadership" group. He is the bloke I want to see this week. Not Swan. Not Murphy. Not Judd and certainly not Malthouse. And if Gibbs fronts up and talks about "unacceptable efforts" I will spew up.
Wow three certain posters are very conspicuous by their absence.
He's in the NB's thread.
You might catch him before he runs off! 8)
I went to the NBs game on my Pat Malone this arvo and was writing a report for everyone on the game before reading through this thread and listening to MMs Media Conference and reading a bit about the game. Plus I didn't get home until late as the NBs game didn't start until 2:30 and I have just over an hours drive to get home. Sorry I didn't get back quick enough for you two. Hope you enjoyed your cheap shots.
There can be no ducking from the fact that this is the worst start to a season in 25 years for our club. It is the worst start to a season in MMs Senior Coach career.
It is almost inconceivable to me that after one of our worst ever efforts (in our modern history), we go to water again the following week when real pressure is applied by a supposedly far inferior opponent. Not since the Pagan days, I think, has this occurred.
MM puts it down to a lack of confidence but I would ask why is there so little resilience? He hinted at perhaps a psychological weakness in this group and I would agree, but how come we're only discovering this now when a good few of us less learned folks on this forum have observed this for a while?
I am astonished but before saying anything else I'd want to watch the replay... though Mrs Baggers has begged me not to, suggesting I must be a masochist!
I did attend the better of the two games though, it would certainly seem. A goal after the siren from a quality recruit, Luke Reynolds, gave the NBs a 3 pt win.
Will be in Melbourne over Easter and had planned to go and see the Doggies game, but after today's effort... will trot down to the local suburban oval for a better spectacle.
Doesn't it feel great to be Melbourne's first victim since June last year?? Not!
Wow three certain posters are very conspicuous by their absence.
He's in the NB's thread.
You might catch him before he runs off! 8)
I went to the NBs game on my Pat Malone this arvo and was writing a report for everyone on the game before reading through this thread and listening to MMs Media Conference and reading a bit about the game. Plus I didn't get home until late as the NBs game didn't start until 2:30 and I have just over an hours drive to get home. Sorry I didn't get back quick enough for you two. Hope you enjoyed your cheap shots.
There can be no ducking from the fact that this is the worst start to a season in 25 years for our club. It is the worst start to a season in MMs Senior Coach career.
It is almost inconceivable to me that after one of our worst ever efforts (in our modern history), we go to water again the following week when real pressure is applied by a supposedly far inferior opponent. Not since the Pagan days, I think, has this occurred.
MM puts it down to a lack of confidence but I would ask why is there so little resilience? He hinted at perhaps a psychological weakness in this group and I would agree, but how come we're only discovering this now when a good few of us less learned folks on this forum have observed this for a while?
I am astonished but before saying anything else I'd want to watch the replay... though Mrs Baggers has begged me not to, suggesting I must be a masochist!
I did attend the better of the two games though, it would certainly seem. A goal after the siren from a quality recruit, Luke Reynolds, gave the NBs a 3 pt win.
You certainly had the better game, Baggers. I lived through the game at the MCG and brought my youngest daughter for her 1st AFL game. It was embarrassing, really. We had so much of the ball, but had no confidence after the first 10 minutes. We kicked 3 straight goals and had the ball on a string. Then we kicked 10 straight points. Our 3rd goal was started by Buckley running our of defence and taking a risk. It was the last quick movement into the forward line for the day by us.
Frawley took 14 marks and Dunne took 11. I didn't see any of our forwards look anything like the Dees targets today.
that's why they have no spine, you all whinge that they don't do this and don't do that but they have the opportunity as a whole to stand up and they didn't.
Nah, yeah you're right, lets continue to cut through the list and give MM another three years. ???
Wow three certain posters are very conspicuous by their absence.
He's in the NB's thread.
You might catch him before he runs off! 8)
I went to the NBs game on my Pat Malone this arvo and was writing a report for everyone on the game before reading through this thread and listening to MMs Media Conference and reading a bit about the game. Plus I didn't get home until late as the NBs game didn't start until 2:30 and I have just over an hours drive to get home. Sorry I didn't get back quick enough for you two. Hope you enjoyed your cheap shots.
There can be no ducking from the fact that this is the worst start to a season in 25 years for our club. It is the worst start to a season in MMs Senior Coach career.
It is almost inconceivable to me that after one of our worst ever efforts (in our modern history), we go to water again the following week when real pressure is applied by a supposedly far inferior opponent. Not since the Pagan days, I think, has this occurred.
MM puts it down to a lack of confidence but I would ask why is there so little resilience? He hinted at perhaps a psychological weakness in this group and I would agree, but how come we're only discovering this now when a good few of us less learned folks on this forum have observed this for a while?
I am astonished but before saying anything else I'd want to watch the replay... though Mrs Baggers has begged me not to, suggesting I must be a masochist!
I did attend the better of the two games though, it would certainly seem. A goal after the siren from a quality recruit, Luke Reynolds, gave the NBs a 3 pt win.
You certainly had the better game, Baggers. I lived through the game at the MCG and brought my youngest daughter for her 1st AFL game. It was embarrassing, really. We had so much of the ball, but had no confidence after the first 10 minutes. We kicked 3 straight goals and had the ball on a string. Then we kicked 10 straight points. Our 3rd goal was started by Buckley running our of defence and taking a risk. It was the last quick movement into the forward line for the day by us.
Yep, that's what I heard on the radiola on my drive in CRASH... 3.2 to 1.2 I think and I thought, yep this is going to script. Next, as I was enjoying a quality steak sanger at PP, I heard we were 17 pts down and the commentators were giving us hell. I only recall a feeling of horrible hollowness! But felt a little buoyed by what I was watching (the NBs) and seeing kids showing something (Holman, Reynolds, Johnson, Sheehan) and a few senior blokes showing they really want a call up - Brock, Dinger, White, Wood, Docherty. If Jeffy gets a call up on today's effort then we will be rewarding reputation, not effort.
Sorry you got the dud game, CRASH. Maybe tell your daughter, factoring in your StarWars love, that the players were hit with a little known virus from the 9th Quadrant beyond Alpha Centauri. I used to tell my daughters that after woeful efforts and it helped them endure until they were old enough to tell me I was full of it! ;D ;D
They were hit by something, mate, but it wasn't an intergalactic virus: it was apathy, lack of confidence and ..... no, I can't continue.
Someone must have shone a ray on us that shrunk our brains and took away our testosterone.
that's why they have no spine, you all whinge that they don't do this and don't do that but they have the opportunity as a whole to stand up and they didn't.
Nah, yeah you're right, lets continue to cut through the list and give MM another three years. ???
I don't know about another three years for Malthouse but if we don't keep cutting the list we'll be winning spoons for a decade.
Good footballers don't butcher the ball week in and week out but we've now done it four weeks running, about half a dozen players out there today just aren't good enough and never will be.
Doesn't it feel great to be Melbourne's first victim since June last year?? Not!
Not to mention making the day of that well known Carlton-hater, Roos.
We're nothing if not charitable this club of ours.
I didn't see the game, but the result is what we all need to be embarrassed about. I couldn't give a rats clacker if we sacked all the coaches all the board members, and all the players. At least there will be no crap left behind at the club. Just watch the media milk the stories for another whole week.
What a depressing day. We went, we watched and cringed - the most obvious thing to me was their lack of fitness, wtf do we have a fitness dude for? I feel fitter than 95% of the team looked!
MM is a cancer. Get rid of him today. He always blame shifts and to me, the players seem clueless, having no self belief at all - doesn't a good coach instil self confidence? Not this prick we've got.
Gee what a great move leaving Waite out was - yeah, that'll show the group.... What exactly? Oh that's right, that Hendo can't handle FF. great.
Murph needs to be relieved of pressure, poos bastard. Simons IS CFC, heart and soul. Walks is also heart and soul but lost, Jamo had a shocker and I'm about to take Warnock out myself, he does nothing around the ground, nothing!!!!
Ellard tried his guts out, Curnow was abysmal as was Tuohy. Question needs to be asked - why are they all crap now? Why???
Gibbs has decided to go - fine - his kick in the last for goal nearly made me cry, he cares so little for CFC, can't he just be dropped for the rest of the year?
Sad day, and I solely blame MM for how crap we've become!
if we don't keep cutting the list we'll be winning spoons for a decade.
Good footballers don't butcher the ball week in and week out but we've now done it four weeks running, about half a dozen players out there today just aren't good enough and never will be.
oh man... Does anyone else feel like we're reliving what happened with Pagan... Except we got the CEO doing what the prez was.
if we don't keep cutting the list we'll be winning spoons for a decade.
Good footballers don't butcher the ball week in and week out but we've now done it four weeks running, about half a dozen players out there today just aren't good enough and never will be.
oh man... Does anyone else feel like we're reliving what happened with Pagan... Except we got the CEO doing what the prez was.
yep, I cant see us winning a game this year
the dogs are going to give us a hiding next week
no light at the end of the tunnel I m afraid
:(Arizona was money well spent the fitness level is astounding! Murphy is not an elite player and the lack of heart he shows under sustained pressure is cringe worthy. Why do we have not one player on our list capable of taking the game by the scruff of the neck and dragging the rest of the team along for the ride JUDD aside in his prime long gone now. I am not angry just sad and deflated !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if we don't keep cutting the list we'll be winning spoons for a decade.
Good footballers don't butcher the ball week in and week out but we've now done it four weeks running, about half a dozen players out there today just aren't good enough and never will be.
oh man... Does anyone else feel like we're reliving what happened with Pagan... Except we got the CEO doing what the prez was.
yep, I cant see us winning a game this year
the dogs are going to give us a hiding next week
no light at the end of the tunnel I m afraid
Don't worry about this year TTB.
Who will we beat next year?
We kicked 4 goals after the 12 minute Mark of the first.
In perfect conditions
Against one of the worst defensive sides going around
Who put FA pressure on the ball
Who had their best defender playing forward.
MCG is our best ground.. and some of those goals came from freak solo efforts rather than manufactured from good play.
Very, very dark day for this footer club.
:(Arizona was money well spent the fitness level is astounding! Murphy is not an elite player and the lack of heart he shows under sustained pressure is cringe worthy. Why do we have not one player on our list capable of taking the game by the scruff of the neck and dragging the rest of the team along for the ride JUDD aside in his prime long gone now. I am not angry just sad and deflated !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arizona was a holiday - paid by the members
We kicked 4 goals after the 12 minute Mark of the first.
In perfect conditions
Against one of the worst defensive sides going around - who played their their best defender forward :o
Who put FA pressure on the ball
Who had their best defender playing forward.
MCG is our best ground.. and some of those goals came from freak solo efforts rather than manufactured from good play.
Very, very dark day for this footer club.
My Bold & in quote.
How embarrassing was today in the light of the bruise free comments by Robbo the other season. Fancy being made to look soft by Melbourne.
oh man... Does anyone else feel like we're reliving what happened with Pagan... Except we got the CEO doing what the prez was.
There has always been the parallels....and there has been some scary similarities
There's a subtle difference....rightly or wrongly there was a feeling that if Pagan was sacked, suddenly things would be OK, and we'd go from the depths to at least improving.
While some folk may feel that's the case in this situation, there's a more depressing feeling amongst many that the problems are entrenched deep within the culture and structure of the club and it requires fresh faces in many positions from the top down.
In short....our troubles are deeper than just a coach issue.
oh man... Does anyone else feel like we're reliving what happened with Pagan... Except we got the CEO doing what the prez was.
There has always been the parallels....and there has been some scary similarities
There's a subtle difference....rightly or wrongly there was a feeling that if Pagan was sacked, suddenly things would be OK, and we'd go from the depths to at least improving.
While some folk may feel that's the case in this situation, there's a more depressing feeling amongst many that the problems are entrenched deep within the culture and structure of the club and it requires fresh faces in many positions from the top down.
In short....our troubles are deeper than just a coach issue.
Today, last weeks utter capitulation and the game against Richmond were coach issues.
oh man... Does anyone else feel like we're reliving what happened with Pagan... Except we got the CEO doing what the prez was.
There has always been the parallels....and there has been some scary similarities
There's a subtle difference....rightly or wrongly there was a feeling that if Pagan was sacked, suddenly things would be OK, and we'd go from the depths to at least improving.
While some folk may feel that's the case in this situation, there's a more depressing feeling amongst many that the problems are entrenched deep within the culture and structure of the club and it requires fresh faces in many positions from the top down.
In short....our troubles are deeper than just a coach issue.
Today, last weeks utter capitulation and the game against Richmond were coach issues.
The coach has lost the players or the players have lost the coach? Whatever, but CFC do not have the $s it seems to pay out and fire MM - very bleak times ahead unfortunately unless they can all get back into the same orbit.
We are a disgrace... but to be quite frank, we have been since 2000. I think we will now finish bottom. That might actually be a good thing though because we can recruit a small mid or tall gangly ruckmen with our number 1 draft pick.
We are a disgrace... but to be quite frank, we have been since 2000. I think we will now finish bottom. That might actually be a good thing though because we can recruit a small mid or tall gangly ruckmen with our number 1 draft pick.
Nice work. ;D
the good thing about these losses are there's no where for all these frauds to hide
CFC is too big a club to avoid scrutiny . The purge will now begin in earnest.
It will be long, hard, and very deep.
The coach has lost the players or the players have lost the coach? Whatever, but CFC do not have the $s it seems to pay out and fire MM - very bleak times ahead unfortunately unless they can all get back into the same orbit.
Either way the coach has to go.
the good thing about these losses are there's no where for all these frauds to hide
CFC is too big a club to avoid scrutiny . The purge will now begin in earnest.
It will be long, hard, and very deep.
Isn't that what we wanted 10 yrs ago, isn't that what we expected 5 yrs ago.
It's bloody GROUND HOG YEAR.
SAME crap DIFFERENT YEAR.
we still have debt
We still have a crap team
We still have a coach the players won't play for.
We still have a board that is self serving.
We still have a President who is out of his league.
We still have no game plan.
We still have no gun recruiter
We are still being told all is well
We still have no Premierships since 95
And we are
GOING NOWHERE FAST >:(
I know that this is isn't the answer at all, but I am getting increasingly frustrated by the way that Levi Casboult is being used. It seems that the MM recipe is to start him at CHF and then have him rotating with Warnock in the ruck, intermingled with time off the ground.
We'll, guess what? He's buggered by half time and for three quarters of the match Carlton has no target to kick to. He should be played out of the square providing a target, without the trauma of having to run all over the ground whilst not playing forward - Tony Lockett would be ineffective if he was asked toplay the role that Levi is being asked to play and I noticed that Frawley at the other end was very much a stay at home target.
Henderson is a CHB. Murphy is trying hard and I saw him digging deep in the last quarter to run with his man.
Gibbs looks like he is gone and half hearted snap in the last quarter said it all.
Tend to agree, reeks of desperation trying to find the right formulae. Lack of heart , pride , passion I am finding hard to tolerate. Here Gibbs is trying to "tell" us what he is worth and why we should pay over the odds for him, but what is he showing us in return. The goal attempt in from the pocket was as bad as I have seen. No energy and real commitment to actually achieving success. Didn't seem to really care , and it shows. We won the ball, but didn't use it, so comes back to the game plan and coaches. If this is MM 's plan from the Colliwobles he is trying to use, he better bring the rest of the team with him to make it work. Not rocket science different cattle , different plan, why not build a plan with what you have got? Seems we are lacking a "coaching , teaching element" to our coaching staff. Back to basics I fear us playing the Dogs , they play with pride not there supposed worth in the back of there minds
This was the week to stand up, to "prove them wrong", thats what our banner said!
I'm getting a sense of Deja vu here, living in hope that its all magically going to click into gear and we'll be right........
The last 13 years as a Blues supporter has been tedious, Fev made it enjoyable, Judd gave us hope, but really we were never even sniffing the ar$e of the better clubs, like the Hawks, Geel, Freo, Swans, eventhough we beat them on occasion i believe Juddy lulled us all into a false sense of security, because he was that damn good! WAS!
This honestly feels like a horrible dream and i'm starting to find myself wanting to do other things other than scream at the plasma until my voice is hoarse, but what for. Upsetting myself for no reason. Its only football, its only Carlton, everybody says!
I suppose they are right.
Just one small thing wrong with that................
I F@#$%^NG BLEED NAVY BLUE!!!!!!
GROW SOME COJONES YOU FARKING PEA HEARTS, DONT WORRY ABOUT YOUR FARK1NG HAIR OR WHO WILL STYLE YOUR DO AT CICCONE FARKING COSMETIC, DO WHAT YOU ARE PAID TO DO BLEED NAVY BLUE LIKE WE DO YOU BUNCH OF WEAK CAAAAAARRRRRNNNNTTTSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How does this years draft look chaps?
As we will have the #1 pick sewn up within a month. :P
Not that #1 picks have done much for us lately...
Heard the result on the radio whilst out in the shed. All I could do was chuckle.
When the players show some care factor, I might start caring...
the good thing about these losses are there's no where for all these frauds to hide
CFC is too big a club to avoid scrutiny . The purge will now begin in earnest.
It will be long, hard, and very deep.
Isn't that what we wanted 10 yrs ago, isn't that what we expected 5 yrs ago.
It's bloody GROUND HOG YEAR.
SAME crap DIFFERENT YEAR.
we still have debt
We still have a crap team
We still have a coach the players won't play for.
We still have a board that is self serving.
We still have a President who is out of his league.
We still have no game plan.
We still have no gun recruiter
We are still being told all is well
We still have no Premierships since 95
And we are GOING NOWHERE FAST >:(
We have gone backwards with membership numbers
This was the week to stand up, to "prove them wrong", thats what our banner said!
Even our banners are the WORST in the league!!
Its a culture problem in this club - been saying it for a few weeks
you cant fix culture over night
Culture comes from having systemic rules and values. We don't have any
These players have collectively given up, they did that with rats.
the problem lies with a core group of players - they need to be sat down, and given the cold hard truth
if their desire is to be elsewhere - name your club and we'll make it happen.
draft pics and swaps, matters nothing if you 1/ cant identify talent 2/ don't know what you need 3/ do not have the skill and personnel to develop them.
This needs to be addressed first, as its a pressing issue
These players have collectively given up, they did that with rats.
Dog wagging tail due to top leadership.
Sticks is a nice guy, legend player but not an uncompromising club leader. I wouldn't be surprised if MM is astounded by the way we run our club after being under the 'Eddie Regime' for so many years. I'm sure Eddie has the occasional 'one on one' with players who don't buy in. And if he doesn't, Pert would.
Those who want to set their own agenda and not buy into the party line should be moved on, no matter the number of players OR the name of the players.
LINE IN THE SAND, FOLKS!
The sack the coach posts are amusing, but wildly off the mark IMO.
Brittain was sacked because he was a rookie coach and the team was underperforming, Pagan was sacked because he'd supposedly lost the players and we won wooden spoons, Ratten was sacked because after 5 years we were being beaten by bottom sides, and now Malthouse is in the gun.
There's a common theme here, and for way too long the members have believed in a magic bullet.
What can't be escaped is that since the inception of the draft and salary cap Carlton has refused to acknowledge reality, Elliott banged on for years about how the draft and cap were a restraint of trade while other clubs adapted and moved forward, we have never moved on from the 70's and 80's as a club and many of our supporters and members are stuck in the same time warp.
Even in the latest draft we selected Cripps as our first pick, he may be a ball magnet, tough and hard and all the rest and I'm not having a crack at the kid but the big question mark around him from all reports were his foot skills, yet we spent our number one pick on him at a time when our overall disposal skills are as bad as they were at any time during Pagan's days, the only players we've drafted in the last five years with top skills seem to be Menzel and Yarran and it's hard to get pick 6 wrong.
We gave a first rounder for McLean and took Lucas at 12, Bootsma in the first round now looks to be way over the odds.
Our current problems have almost nothing to do with the senior coach in my opinion, they stem from an extended period of neglect and incompetence and they won't be fixed without a fundamental change of attitude.
Amazing that the same people that were so outspoken about our issues laying with the previous coach are now adamant that it's the players. The hypocrisy is just a little nauseating TBH.
Amazing that the same people that were adamant our issues lay with the previous coach are now adamant that it's the players. The hypocrisy is just a little nauseating TBH.
No, I think the problem is with how the players were developed going back 7-8 years.
That development is coming to the fore and it will be very very difficult to undo.
Or we could have just got Ken Hinkley and we'd be a top four side.
Or we could have just got Ken Hinkley and we'd be a top four side.
Difference being that Ken Hinkley took over a relatively balanced list with effective Key forwards and Key backs not too mention a Selwoodesque captain in Boak.
With that said though, I will always wonder how '11 would have turned out if we had kept Fev.
Or we could have just got Ken Hinkley and we'd be a top four side.
Difference being that Ken Hinkley took over a relatively balanced list with effective Key forwards and Key backs not too mention a Selwoodesque captain in Boak.
Oh, come off it. When Port only had 3 wins in 2011, and 5 wins in 2012, everyone called them a basket case of a club.
Amazing that the same people that were so outspoken about our issues laying with the previous coach are now adamant that it's the players. The hypocrisy is just a little nauseating TBH.
If you're having a crack at me you're wide of the mark PI2C.
I've been on about our woeful recruiting for many years, which has been and remains our number one problem in my opinion, along with a delusional and arrogant culture.
Appointing an untried coach from the second division of the Eastern Suburbs league with virtually no senior experience, on the basis of his being a club champion, was utter madness, I said so at the time and nothing that happened in Ratten's 5 years in charge convinced me otherwise.
He got the gig to appease the supporters, to bring the Carlton back to Carlton, it was insane and the end result of that madness is where we find ourselves now.
But by all means sheet the blame for years of neglect and incompetence home to Malthouse if it eases your pain.
Or we could have just got Ken Hinkley and we'd be a top four side.
Difference being that Ken Hinkley took over a relatively balanced list with effective Key forwards and Key backs not too mention a Selwoodesque captain in Boak.
Oh, come off it. When Port only had 3 wins in 2011, and 5 wins in 2012, everyone called them a basket case of a club.
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They still had a decent spine with forwards that kicked goals from everywhere.
Or we could have just got Ken Hinkley and we'd be a top four side.
Difference being that Ken Hinkley took over a relatively balanced list with effective Key forwards and Key backs not too mention a Selwoodesque captain in Boak.
Oh, come off it. When Port only had 3 wins in 2011, and 5 wins in 2012, everyone called them a basket case of a club.
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They still had a decent spine with forwards that kicked goals from everywhere.
So no credit to Hinkley for turning around their on field fortunes? No credit to Koch for turning around their off field fortunes? It's only because they have a decent spine with forwards who kick goals from everywhere...
Amazing that the same people that were so outspoken about our issues laying with the previous coach are now adamant that it's the players. The hypocrisy is just a little nauseating TBH.
If you're having a crack at me you're wide of the mark PI2C.
I've been on about our woeful recruiting for many years, which has been and remains our number one problem in my opinion, along with a delusional and arrogant culture.
Appointing an untried coach from the second division of the Eastern Suburbs league with virtually no senior experience, on the basis of his being a club champion, was utter madness, I said so at the time and nothing that happened in Ratten's 5 years in charge convinced me otherwise.
He got the gig to appease the supporters, to bring the Carlton back to Carlton, it was insane and the end result of that madness is where we find ourselves now.
But by all means sheet the blame for years of neglect and incompetence home to Malthouse if it eases your pain.
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Or we could have just got Ken Hinkley and we'd be a top four side.
Difference being that Ken Hinkley took over a relatively balanced list with effective Key forwards and Key backs not too mention a Selwoodesque captain in Boak.
Oh, come off it. When Port only had 3 wins in 2011, and 5 wins in 2012, everyone called them a basket case of a club.
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They still had a decent spine with forwards that kicked goals from everywhere.
So no credit to Hinkley for turning around their on field fortunes? No credit to Koch for turning around their off field fortunes? It's only because they have a decent spine with forwards who kick goals from everywhere...
We do not have the same problems as Port Adelaide.
7 Years ago they were a top side.... where were we 7 years ago?
Amazing that the same people that were so outspoken about our issues laying with the previous coach are now adamant that it's the players. The hypocrisy is just a little nauseating TBH.
If you're having a crack at me you're wide of the mark PI2C.
No I'm not, that is exactly you....and your x2 Baggers.
Amazing that the same people that were so outspoken about our issues laying with the previous coach are now adamant that it's the players. The hypocrisy is just a little nauseating TBH.
If you're having a crack at me you're wide of the mark PI2C.
No I'm not, that is exactly you....and your x2 Baggers.
Actually we're trying to point out to you that the issue is much bigger than just the Senior Coach, but you just seem unable to expand your thinking beyond Ratts/MM.
Or we could have just got Ken Hinkley and we'd be a top four side.
Difference being that Ken Hinkley took over a relatively balanced list with effective Key forwards and Key backs not too mention a Selwoodesque captain in Boak.
Oh, come off it. When Port only had 3 wins in 2011, and 5 wins in 2012, everyone called them a basket case of a club.
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They still had a decent spine with forwards that kicked goals from everywhere.
So no credit to Hinkley for turning around their on field fortunes? No credit to Koch for turning around their off field fortunes? It's only because they have a decent spine with forwards who kick goals from everywhere...
We do not have the same problems as Port Adelaide.
7 Years ago they were a top side.... where were we 7 years ago?
Yes, we know where we were 7 years ago. But you'd hope 7 years later that some of the top draft picks would be on top of their games and actually influencing wins by now. FFS!
Obviously mm came to us to top up he's super and helped daisy top he's up too.at the moment he would have to be the worst recruit in the league for the money he is being paid.for all the crap about gut running leadership and disposal he ain't shown crap.should be dropped but that won't happen who is mm going to kick the ball with
Obviously mm came to us to top up he's super and helped daisy top he's up too.at the moment he would have to be the worst recruit in the league for the money he is being paid.for all the crap about gut running leadership and disposal he ain't shown crap.should be dropped but that won't happen who is mm going to kick the ball with
Also helped Wiley, Laidley and Buttifant with their super as well.
They're really earning their dough as well.
Amazing that the same people that were so outspoken about our issues laying with the previous coach are now adamant that it's the players. The hypocrisy is just a little nauseating TBH.
If you're having a crack at me you're wide of the mark PI2C.
No I'm not, that is exactly you....and your x2 Baggers.
Actually we're trying to point out to you that the issue is much bigger than just the Senior Coach, but you just seem unable to expand your thinking beyond Ratts/MM.
And I'm trying to explain to you that you're a hypocrite! No offence of course. ;)
Amazing that the same people that were so outspoken about our issues laying with the previous coach are now adamant that it's the players. The hypocrisy is just a little nauseating TBH.
If you're having a crack at me you're wide of the mark PI2C.
No I'm not, that is exactly you....and your x2 Baggers.
Actually we're trying to point out to you that the issue is much bigger than just the Senior Coach, but you just seem unable to expand your thinking beyond Ratts/MM.
In that respect PI2C is certainly not alone, in fact judging by the posts on here and the comments from other supporters at yesterday's game his opinion is in the majority.
In my view it's lazy, clubs with cultural problems continually turn over senior coaches and make decisions popular with members, supporters and sponsors, it's the easy way.
It almost always leads to mediocrity and failure.
Amazing that the same people that were so outspoken about our issues laying with the previous coach are now adamant that it's the players. The hypocrisy is just a little nauseating TBH.
If you're having a crack at me you're wide of the mark PI2C.
No I'm not, that is exactly you....and your x2 Baggers.
Actually we're trying to point out to you that the issue is much bigger than just the Senior Coach, but you just seem unable to expand your thinking beyond Ratts/MM.
And I'm trying to explain to you that you're a hypocrite! No offence of course. ;)
If you can't see that Ratten failed then there's no point arguing.
Amazing that the same people that were so outspoken about our issues laying with the previous coach are now adamant that it's the players. The hypocrisy is just a little nauseating TBH.
If you're having a crack at me you're wide of the mark PI2C.
No I'm not, that is exactly you....and your x2 Baggers.
Actually we're trying to point out to you that the issue is much bigger than just the Senior Coach, but you just seem unable to expand your thinking beyond Ratts/MM.
And I'm trying to explain to you that you're a hypocrite! No offence of course. ;)
If you can't see that Ratten failed then there's no point arguing.
If he failed then the others must be terrible. He's been by far the most successful of our coaches since David Parkin. Might not have been perfect but for a bloke on his first senior coaching gig he got the club back on track. Was a free kick away from a PF. With a bit of tail wagging the dog at our club under those circumstances he might not have done too badly. Coaches at our club, for some reason, don't seem to have control of things as they should unfortunately. Hence a cleanout is needed all the way done the line from the board down though the administration, coaching staff and some playing staff.
Mick's method of team selection was so much different at Collingwood than it is here. He it became identical to Ratten. Makes me wonder how much control the coach has in that regard.
If he failed then the others must be terrible. He's been by far the most successful of our coaches since David Parkin. Might not have been perfect but for a bloke on his first senior coaching gig he got the club back on track. Was a free kick away from a PF. With a bit of tail wagging the dog at our club under those circumstances he might not have done too badly. Coaches at our club, for some reason, don't seem to have control of things as they should unfortunately. Hence a cleanout is needed all the way done the line from the board down though the administration, coaching staff and some playing staff.
Mick's method of team selection was so much different at Collingwood than it is here. He it became identical to Ratten. Makes me wonder how much control the coach has in that regard.
I am of the opinion the club should have worked harder in the '11'12 trade period to shape up the list.
The reason being is that the important people (and myself) thought the club was in a position to challenge.
On reflection, only the three changes seems a bit ridiculous.
If he failed then the others must be terrible. He's been by far the most successful of our coaches since David Parkin. Might not have been perfect but for a bloke on his first senior coaching gig he got the club back on track. Was a free kick away from a PF. With a bit of tail wagging the dog at our club under those circumstances he might not have done too badly. Coaches at our club, for some reason, don't seem to have control of things as they should unfortunately. Hence a cleanout is needed all the way done the line from the board down though the administration, coaching staff and some playing staff.
Mick's method of team selection was so much different at Collingwood than it is here. He it became identical to Ratten. Makes me wonder how much control the coach has in that regard.
I am of the opinion the club should have worked harder in the '11'12 trade period to shape up the list.
The reason being is that the important people (and myself) thought the club was in a position to challenge.
On reflection, only the three changes seems a bit ridiculous.
Three things shape a list, recruiting, as you've basically said, coaching and culture. If one of them isn't right then you won't be winning premierships. or much else.
If he failed then the others must be terrible. He's been by far the most successful of our coaches since David Parkin. Might not have been perfect but for a bloke on his first senior coaching gig he got the club back on track. Was a free kick away from a PF.
I guess it depends how you define success, if you set the bar low enough it's impossible to fail.
It's worth remembering that the team who denied us a PF had won the wooden spoon the year before and finished 11th in 2009, yet WC finished 2 1/2 wins ahead of us after the home and away rounds.
Dale Thomas and Jarryd Roughead were both taken as priority picks and have both played in Premiership teams, Hawthorn got another priority pick in 2005.
Teams can and do improve rapidly after a period in the lower regions of the ladder but Carlton hasn't mastered the process.
I guess it depends how you define success, if you set the bar low enough it's impossible to fail.
As you have done with Malthouse.
I guess it depends how you define success, if you set the bar low enough it's impossible to fail.
As you have done with Malthouse.
No.
I haven't said that Malthouse has succeeded, what I am saying is that I believe that his record suggests that he's a good coach and if we can ever get our systems and administration right he's capable of delivering, I think our list is too deficient to expect success in the next two or three years and surely Ratten must take some responsibility for that.
Ratten had 5 years during which Judd won a Brownlow and three B&F's and Fevola kicked 99 goals, Malthouse does not currently have that luxury and won't in the foreseeable future, there is more pain to come.
Even the players are saying in interviews this feels like the lowest we have been in their time at the club.
For reference listen to 1AWs recent interview, where I believe he likened things at the club right now equal to the worst it has been in his eleven years.
Even the players are saying in interviews this feels like the lowest we have been in their time at the club.
For reference listen to 1AWs recent interview, where I believe he likened things at the club right now equal to the worst it has been in his eleven years.
Walks must have a short memory, I was at Docklands the day that North beat us by 20 goals and at the MCG with 16,000 other hardy souls the day we lined up with Ian Prendergast on Pavlich and Chris Bryan as our first ruck.
A loss to Melbourne, or any other team, was no more than what was expected in those days, in fact I can remember one loss to Melbourne which had our cheer squad in raptures.
Things are not good right now, but they aren't terminal.
If he failed then the others must be terrible. He's been by far the most successful of our coaches since David Parkin. Might not have been perfect but for a bloke on his first senior coaching gig he got the club back on track. Was a free kick away from a PF.
I guess it depends how you define success, if you set the bar low enough it's impossible to fail.
It's worth remembering that the team who denied us a PF had won the wooden spoon the year before and finished 11th in 2009, yet WC finished 2 1/2 wins ahead of us after the home and away rounds.
Dale Thomas and Jarryd Roughead were both taken as priority picks and have both played in Premiership teams, Hawthorn got another priority pick in 2005.
Teams can and do improve rapidly after a period in the lower regions of the ladder but Carlton hasn't mastered the process.
Winning games is a good start to define success. We did alot better under Ratts than every other coach combined since David Parkin. Not saying he gets 10/10 for success but sh1t it's been alot better than anyone else we've had. Don't worry about coaches with previous good coaching records, I just want to see what success they have at Carlton. Under Ratts our bar, (make finals, win a final etc) was set each year. He achieved them all and we got better each time until injuries cruelled that last season. Problem comes down to the culture. A bad culture is a coach killer. Ratts easily got the closest but was still short and it got him in the end. No one else is getting close.
West Coast were 2 1/2 games ahead in 2011 because we just went through the motions in that last game against St.Kilda. It was touch and go right up to round 21.
Even the players are saying in interviews this feels like the lowest we have been in their time at the club.
For reference listen to 1AWs recent interview, where I believe he likened things at the club right now equal to the worst it has been in his eleven years.
Walks must have a short memory, I was at Docklands the day that North beat us by 20 goals and at the MCG with 16,000 other hardy souls the day we lined up with Ian Prendergast on Pavlich and Chris Bryan as our first ruck.
A loss to Melbourne, or any other team, was no more than what was expected in those days, in fact I can remember one loss to Melbourne which had our cheer squad in raptures.
Things are not good right now, but they aren't terminal.
You might be confusing a bad result with low moral and confidence, I think 1AW was talking about the low as a whole not just a bad game
@laj
And just to add to that Jim, taking your chances and kicking goals will aid in winning matches.
Even the players are saying in interviews this feels like the lowest we have been in their time at the club.
For reference listen to 1AWs recent interview, where I believe he likened things at the club right now equal to the worst it has been in his eleven years.
Walks must have a short memory, I was at Docklands the day that North beat us by 20 goals and at the MCG with 16,000 other hardy souls the day we lined up with Ian Prendergast on Pavlich and Chris Bryan as our first ruck.
A loss to Melbourne, or any other team, was no more than what was expected in those days, in fact I can remember one loss to Melbourne which had our cheer squad in raptures.
Things are not good right now, but they aren't terminal.
You might be confusing a bad result with low moral and confidence, I think 1AW was talking about the low as a whole not just a bad game
You could be right there LP.
What was crystal clear at the game yesterday was summed up in a couple of moments for me.
In one of them a high ball came into Melbourne's forward line and Rowe had the choice whether to contest it or leave Simpson one on two, he chose to suck back and stay with his man when clearly he needed to go.
Maybe he's just not a good footballer and makes bad decisions, but maybe he was following team rules, it's impossible for us to know either way but the end result was a Melbourne goal.
The other was Gibbs' lazy, unacceptable effort standing a mark in the last quarter when the game could still have been won, it was as if he'd conceded defeat and the last time I saw that was one day years ago when Walks gave up on a chase against Hawthorn.
For whatever reason the team is playing without initiative, confidence or conviction, even given the obvious lack of quality footballers, and if Malthouse can't at least get them keen for a contest he won't have my support beyond this season.
I don't expect miracles from this current squad, but I expect pride in performance.
In one of them a high ball came into Melbourne's forward line and Rowe had the choice whether to contest it or leave Simpson one on two, he chose to suck back and stay with his man when clearly he needed to go.
Maybe he's just not a good footballer and makes bad decisions, but maybe he was following team rules, it's impossible for us to know either way but the end result was a Melbourne goal.
You see for me this comes back to the MC and player development.
Rowe has been a career ruckmen who played one season as a CHF in a 2nd tier comp before we drafted him as a ruck forward. Now after missing one season due to ill health, and playing sporadic matches since, we have him playing as a KPD with stuff all career experience in the role at any level.
Watson languishes in the 2s having spent his entire junior career as a KPD.
Casboult was a career junior ruckmen who played one season as a forward based on which we drafted him as a developing forward. Melbourne's defence is about as shallow as we can hope to come up against, actually weakened at the moment by Roos playing Frawley and Watts forward, and yet at best you could rate Casboult's game as fair.
Both Casboult and Rowe got some touches but contributed nothing much to the clubs fortune yesterday. That is because they are being played in roles they are not suited for, and were not noted for, over the bulk of their playing career. Casboult's best game at Preston came in a final in which he played ruck and floated forward to kick goals, not as a finals forward. Rowe's best games in SA occurred in similar circumstances. Neither are capable AFL rucks, which diminishes their value greatly, but Rowe has shown more in the ruck.
@LP
Agree. Casboult is just not mobile enough to be a successful forward. Rowe is doing as well as you could expect from a guy not used to playing as a KPD. It's case of 'needs must' though. CFC has previous in this area though, and others have had their careers ruined and even held to ridicule and scorn.
@LP
Agree. Casboult is just not mobile enough to be a successful forward. Rowe is doing as well as you could expect from a guy not used to playing as a KPD. It's case of 'needs must' though. CFC has previous in this area though, and others have had their careers ruined and even held to ridicule and scorn.
When was Casboult given the square for a game?? Answer - never. Not sure how you make this call.
If he failed then the others must be terrible. He's been by far the most successful of our coaches since David Parkin. Might not have been perfect but for a bloke on his first senior coaching gig he got the club back on track. Was a free kick away from a PF.
I guess it depends how you define success, if you set the bar low enough it's impossible to fail.
It's worth remembering that the team who denied us a PF had won the wooden spoon the year before and finished 11th in 2009, yet WC finished 2 1/2 wins ahead of us after the home and away rounds.
Dale Thomas and Jarryd Roughead were both taken as priority picks and have both played in Premiership teams, Hawthorn got another priority pick in 2005.
Teams can and do improve rapidly after a period in the lower regions of the ladder but Carlton hasn't mastered the process.
Would we have picked Thomas or Roughead....doubtful.....
@LP
Agree. Casboult is just not mobile enough to be a successful forward. Rowe is doing as well as you could expect from a guy not used to playing as a KPD. It's case of 'needs must' though. CFC has previous in this area though, and others have had their careers ruined and even held to ridicule and scorn.
When was Casboult given the square for a game?? Answer - never. Not sure how you make this call.
By watching him lumber around yesterday. He is slow and often looks spent.
I would support the idea of the club developing him as a ruck man who can fill in forward. Put him in the NBs for a while to focus on that.
When was Casboult given the square for a game?? Answer - never. Not sure how you make this call.
By watching him lumber around yesterday. He is slow and often looks spent.
I would support the idea of the club developing him as a ruck man who can fill in forward. Put him in the NBs for a while to focus on that.
Yesterday we saw the guy that many Carlton players and officials pegged as flying during the pre-season, the guy who was about to make a real impact on the game!
A game full of rabbits maybe.
If that is the best he can do against a club that has almost a VFL defence he has not much to offer! Meat is a king among the timid, the Lord of the Flys! As for learning to ruck, he pretty much spent his first 3 seasons at Preston doing just that!
Even more damning;
On Friday Roos broadcast on radio that he thought his defence was more than good enough to hold Carlton's forward line allowing him to play Frawley forward. That is what he did and that is what actually happened! Even with 24hrs of advanced warning our forwards and MC could not organise any impact on the game, it doesn't get any more damning than that!
Last week BumberT laughed at our ruck division, this week Roos goaded our forwards!
We are a joke!
Aggressive trading no one is safe. Walker, Gibbs, Murphy etc. We must establish a young and talented spine you can find the rest, Ellard, Curnow etc are proof of that. Mids are dime a dozen. I honestly believe that a team can be successful with gun KPP and a so-so midfield.
Our list not being up to it does not automatically make Malthouse the right choice going forward.
If he failed then the others must be terrible. He's been by far the most successful of our coaches since David Parkin. Might not have been perfect but for a bloke on his first senior coaching gig he got the club back on track. Was a free kick away from a PF.
I guess it depends how you define success, if you set the bar low enough it's impossible to fail.
It's worth remembering that the team who denied us a PF had won the wooden spoon the year before and finished 11th in 2009, yet WC finished 2 1/2 wins ahead of us after the home and away rounds.
Dale Thomas and Jarryd Roughead were both taken as priority picks and have both played in Premiership teams, Hawthorn got another priority pick in 2005.
Teams can and do improve rapidly after a period in the lower regions of the ladder but Carlton hasn't mastered the process.
Would we have picked Thomas or Roughead....doubtful.....
Would it have mattered?
When we got them, all of Walker, Murph, Gibbs, Kruez, were guns of their time and of their peers.
So, the question has to be asked..........what if we got the Cooneys, Pendelbrys, Selwoods and who ever else your heart desires????
Would that have
automatically made a difference to our team and where we are at now?
I'm not convinced. I think our Culture and lack of proper coaching/development, has stuffed our players.
Selwood is a great player but had a fantastic team around him his whole career. He's now arguably the best player in his team. BUT, would he have been as good in our team ??
I'd just about bet my left nut that if any of them had been drafted by a better club, let alone Geelong, we'd all be marvelling at how good they are.
We've stuffed them. We've failed them. After so long in the system and without the support around them it's hardly any wonder that they've lost heart.
It's an excuse of sorts, but I cant bare to watch them anymore myself. I cant handle lack of effort. Pride in myself alone would drive me to go beyond for my team but looking from the outside, it seems our " guns " are beyond that. :-[
Our list not being up to it does not automatically make Malthouse the right choice going forward.
Fair point...I dont have the stats but didnt Malthouse take Collinwgood to the bottom before making them a force again...took about 9-10 years to win a flag although'he did have them in the finals
after 3 years from memory.
Our list not being up to it does not automatically make Malthouse the right choice going forward.
Fair point...I dont have the stats but didnt Malthouse take Collinwgood to the bottom before making them a force again...took about 9-10 years to win a flag although'he did have them in the finals
after 3 years from memory.
Took over in 1999 and got a spoon. GF in 2002.
The rebuild started before he came along so the strategy was set with Shaw happy to get games into kids.
Different scenario at Carlton where we don't know what the screw we're doing and have no strategy.
Our list not being up to it does not automatically make Malthouse the right choice going forward.
Fair point...I dont have the stats but didnt Malthouse take Collinwgood to the bottom before making them a force again...took about 9-10 years to win a flag although'he did have them in the finals
after 3 years from memory.
That's how they got the pick for Daisy wasn't it - hence his nickname Thomas the Tank Engine.
Our list not being up to it does not automatically make Malthouse the right choice going forward.
Fair point...I dont have the stats but didnt Malthouse take Collinwgood to the bottom before making them a force again...took about 9-10 years to win a flag although'he did have them in the finals
after 3 years from memory.
Took over in 1999 and got a spoon. GF in 2002.
The rebuild started before he came along so the strategy was set with Shaw happy to get games into kids.
Different scenario at Carlton where we don't know what the screw we're doing and have no strategy.
Fair enough IOT.....I do remember now Shaw was told he was going at seasons end but went with the kids and stareted the rebuild pre Mick.
Agree we have no strategy and the club is rudderless...
Would it have mattered?
When we got them, all of Walker, Murph, Gibbs, Kruez, were guns of their time and of their peers.
So, the question has to be asked..........what if we got the Cooneys, Pendelbrys, Selwoods and who ever else your heart desires????
Would that have automatically made a difference to our team and where we are at now?
I'm not convinced. I think our Culture and lack of proper coaching/development, has stuffed our players.
You need to factor in the other draft picks taken by successful clubs and compare it to our performance outside the top half dozen in the draft.
Geelong are the most obvious example of a club getting top quality lower in the draft, Johnson, Enright, Chapman, Hunt and Ling to name a few, Collingwood got Dane Swan at pick 50 or so.
Carlton has failed dismally on that score so our reliance on Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer and Walker is way too heavy, we just don't have the support staff.
Our list not being up to it does not automatically make Malthouse the right choice going forward.
Fair point...I dont have the stats but didnt Malthouse take Collinwgood to the bottom before making them a force again...took about 9-10 years to win a flag although'he did have them in the finals
after 3 years from memory.
Took over in 1999 and got a spoon. GF in 2002.
The rebuild started before he came along so the strategy was set with Shaw happy to get games into kids.
Different scenario at Carlton where we don't know what the screw we're doing and have no strategy.
Fair enough IOT.....I do remember now Shaw was told he was going at seasons end but went with the kids and stareted the rebuild pre Mick.
Agree we have no strategy and the club is rudderless...
That's the thing. The club isn't capable of setting the agenda. They are stuck in the 90s believing they can buy success but have nowhere near the resources to do that like a Collingwood or a West Coast or an Adelaide do anymore.
Mick has proven his judgement can be clouded with his inability to pick people at the club who won't tow his line.
For Mick to succeed, we need people in the club who can ensure the sideshows that are happening now won't continue to happen. Mick cannot set up our football department. He's had his go and it's in disarray. Why the frig should we let him continue the circus?
Throw money at a decent administrator who can get us making the right decisions and getting our checks and balances in places then screw off half the board. Let them sort out the mess from recruiting to memberships.
If Mick is going to be the man, we're going to need a bigger investment that his current contract is going to cost in payouts. So either sack him or put in the extraordinary support he had at Collingwood and let him do his thing then or get someone who can work in a war zone.
@bigblue
Well said brother! It's our development and culture that has created such a poor situation. The change is happening but there is always darkness before the dawn. Lets be patient.
@bigblue
Well said brother! It's our development and culture that has created such a poor situation. The change is happening but there is always darkness before the dawn. Lets be patient.
The people who drive the leadership and the development at the highest level, the ones who put us in this mess are the ones driving the change. You have more faith than me
17 posses from Cripps is pretty good - anyone see him up close?
Flattered him - don't get sucked-in by a stat count, he looks as slow as the Queen Mary. No better than any of his spud teammates.
Not one player deserves a semblance of credit out there today......no, I tell a lie, I'd give a half ounce to Yarran & Simmo. That is all.
Surely our illustrious, over-governed Board has to make a decision.....HAS to.....today was a defining moment. All the talk coming out of the Club all week....Sticks, Macca, Mick, Murphy, anyone who had a microphone shoved in front of them, was that last week was unacceptable & that a performance like that won't happen again....blah, blah-fcking, blah - well guess what? It happened again & this time it's worse.....much, much worse.
I cannot remember a worst captain of our Football Club either in my lifetime or via any reputation from before I was born. Marc Murphy is officially a laughing stock of the AFL right now....he absolutely is.
Last week I was embarrassed....this week I was ashamed. When was the last time our players were booed by our own supporters? It happened today at 3/4 time & it was fully deserved....AND it didn't change a thing in the psyche playing group in the last quarter, as yet more rubbish-football was produced.
Apart from the obsession with the boundary line, I have absolutely no idea what our gameplan is.....and no-one can tell me they do from what they've seen this year. We get the ball across half-back & simply go sideways every single fcking time across to the other flank, then have nothing to kick to. If, by miracle, we do get a possession forward of centre, we have absolutely nothing to kick to.
We simply don't have enough players on our list to replace all of the never-to-play-again muppets we've got clogging up our list. Curnow finishing 4th in our B&F last year is a serious indictment on this list, as he is a complete & utter hack with the ball in his hands.
Sam Rowe: you coming back from cancer is a great story but you can't play for crap. Lachie Henderson reverted back to 'bad Lachie' today....the hopeless Lachie of 3 years ago. Warnock is a useless piece of crap around the ground. I can't wait for Gibbs to fcuk off back to Adelaide. We gave James Frawley every reason NOT to want to even entertain the thought of coming to Carlton no matter how much we might've been prepared to offer him. Kane Lucas is simply a horrible footballer, Zach Tuohy can catch the next Air Lingus flight back to Ireland for all I care, Davey Ellard has a crack but he's just not good enough, Carrazzo is as ineffective as he's ever been, I thought I was watching Everitt in his Bulldog days today, Jamo was a sch!t-truck, Scotland got worse as the game wore on, Casboult isn't & never will be the answer, whilst Walker played possibly his worst ever game.
There are absolutely zero positives to come from this result.....except that it is now officially clear, that the playing group & the coach are worlds apart.
Fancy the Club saying that there was a meeting during the week with the players to confirm they were all onboard with Mick's gameplan, only for Mick to come out and refute any such meeting took place? Are you fcking kidding me!?!?!? Classic case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand's doing = rabble.
So - what do we do from here? This is as low as I've felt as a Carlton supporter in recent memory. This Club does not deserve our support right now....it doesn't. It won't happen, but I'd love next weekend's game to be devoid of Carlton support, as a protest en masse against the coach, the President, the players, the whole damn sorry excuse for a Football Club. You show us you give a crap & we'll do the same....
Wow.....this has really got me rattled. To produce that after what we produced last week.....wow......
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Agree with every word of this..
Re Cripps
From the minute he was run down with his first touch he looked slow. A bit like our whole team. Slow.
Had no urgency what so ever for a first gamer. But has to play every game from here on in.
Mark Murphy was being booed flat out on the southern stand wing in the last quarter and it was
sad when my kids asked " Why are they booing him Dad ? "
Cripps lacks a yard and so does Graham...the latter has more of a problem because Cripps can get away with it due to his size. I think its more of a case with both they need to adjust to the pace of the game and get better awareness so lets give them some time to settle in and I have the feeling in Cripps case he needs the master in Judd on the field to give him that extra tuition but I have faith he will be a player and was happy with his first up efforts in terms of being to compete with senior players..
Graham needs to brush up his kicking but I gave him points for tackling big Jake Spencer and bringing him down...shows he has some body strength and is capable in terms of tackling and being defensive.
I'm all for playing Holman sooner than later and getting our new midfield operating as a group and would also put Buckley in that mix .
If we expect Holman, Cripps and Graham to be the core of our future midfield.... those three lack nothing for desire and have the right attitude but they ain't exactly silk Elwood. Need to add some serious blue chip ball users and pace to fill out that group.
If we expect Holman, Cripps and Graham to be the core of our future midfield.... those three lack nothing for desire and have the right attitude but they ain't exactly silk Elwood. Need to add some serious blue chip ball users and pace to fill out that group.
Totally agree..on one of the other threads I sad we need a Nick Dal Santo silky ball user to compliment that group.
North had a similar problem...plenty of grunt, run but no silk...
The club would argue Daisy Thomas is that silk but Daisy is struggling with injury IMO and the lack of support he had at Collingwood with Pendlebury, Swan, Beans etc...
Felt like Groundhog Day watching the news tonight......carbon copy story from last week, carbon copy responses from the playing group. Sorry players, I don't believe a word you say.....it clearly doesn't hurt as much as you say it does, it's clearly not as embarrassing as you say it is, you're clearly not going to not let it happen again as you say you will.
Anyone else feel like punching their TV screens when they saw Murphy getting interviewed in the CFC carpark today (just as he was last week)? His cutesy babyface looks & timid responses don't cut with me....I want to see some belligerence & instead I get a puppy dog......
$850k pa
how could you be upset
Cripps lacks a yard and so does Graham...the latter has more of a problem because Cripps can get away with it due to his size. I think its more of a case with both they need to adjust to the pace of the game and get better awareness so lets give them some time to settle in and I have the feeling in Cripps case he needs the master in Judd on the field to give him that extra tuition but I have faith he will be a player and was happy with his first up efforts in terms of being to compete with senior players..
Graham needs to brush up his kicking but I gave him points for tackling big Jake Spencer and bringing him down...shows he has some body strength and is capable in terms of tackling and being defensive.
I'm all for playing Holman sooner than later and getting our new midfield operating as a group and would also put Buckley in that mix .
Good obs. Cripps aint quick, but he's not slow... just might seem that way at present. His strength, I believe (apart from basic skills), is that he can read the play and sum up a situation... like someone with a footy brain, should.
For me, the jury is still out on Graham. Still doesn't commit his body enough for mine.
I watched Holman closely last Sunday and really liked what I saw re his reading of the play and disposal, but at times lacked awareness or getting the tempo, but, sheet, he's a kid.
Cripps lacks a yard and so does Graham...the latter has more of a problem because Cripps can get away with it due to his size. I think its more of a case with both they need to adjust to the pace of the game and get better awareness so lets give them some time to settle in and I have the feeling in Cripps case he needs the master in Judd on the field to give him that extra tuition but I have faith he will be a player and was happy with his first up efforts in terms of being to compete with senior players..
Bryce Gibbs in his first game was a deer in the headlights, I thought Cripps showed more despite his flaws. Graham to me hasn't shown anything to suggest that he will be anything more than a handy utility who will be in and out of the side.
Graham hasn't got the size or speed and without that you need to be exceptional.
$850k pa
how could you be upset
Oh dear. The heat should be well and truly applied to him how can he justify his performance on that kind of coin? Must be loving life seeing 32k pop into his bank account every fortnight. Someone remind exactly what he's done to be on that kind of coin? Blokes like Pendlebury, Dangerfield and Fyfe would be on less.
Look at what we're getting out of a combined total of 1.5 mill in our salary cap. There's half the problem.
And now Robbo asks the tough questions.....and so he should.
No, the blowtorch is on all the players, none more so than Dale Thomas.
What has happened to this bloke?
If you put your hand out for a contract worth about $700,000 a season for four years, it’s best that you earn that money.
With 700 large comes a certain responsibility, more responsibility than say, Dave Ellard on $250,000 tops.
Thomas came with premiership nous, an ability to break open games, and a want to play with a frenetic attitude which was contagious. In its totality, it’s called leadership.
He is coasting at the moment, a bit player.
Worse, the question is being asked: Is he there for the money or is there for the jumper?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dale-thomas-coasting-as-carlton-faces-onfield-crisis-writes-mark-robinson/story-fni5f0at-1226882997677
No doubt those blaming the players on this site will stop short of blaming Thomas as he is a by-product of the coach they support. So let me guess, it's the players' fault, but not Daisy's? Enlighten me, please.
Daisy has missed a year of football and he injured his shoulder on the weekend.
Daisy has missed a year of football.
He's on 700k. Do you pay a bloke 700k per year if there's no guarantees he will get back to his best?
Daisy has missed a year of football.
He's on 700k.
That's how free agency works.
He could have gone to another club.
I'll give it till the end of the year before I call it a mistake.
If we get not much out of 700k this year it's already a HUGE mistake.
But it's the players anyway isn't LR? That's what you said. So you can't single out one play as being above criticism because it suits your argument.
If we get not much out of 700k this year it's already a HUGE mistake.
But it's the players anyway isn't LR? That's what you said. So you can't single out one play as being above criticism because it suits your argument.
I didn't say its always the players, I have my concerns with the administration now.
If you have no confidence in the admin how can you back the coach? Do you not see the hypocrisy of it all? You're saying they're unfit to make decisions but then backing them in with the worst decision they've made. I give up with some of you guys honestly......
All the free agents are going to be getting overs, Cloke isn't a million dollar player even when he's at his best. Clubs might stop getting into bidding wars now over players now.
But 700k is massive overs for a 27 year old that is yet to prove he can get back to his best. I mean even if he does it was a massive massive risk to take.
But 700k is massive overs for a 27 year old that is yet to prove he can get back to his best. I mean even if he does it was a massive massive risk to take.
You've got to give him at least 8 weeks to get up to speed. The guy's has missed a lot of football. He is a premiership player and has proven ability. We don't have too many of those on our list, so you have to take the risk and pay overs.
Robbie Warnock's striking charge has been thrown out because the blow was of "insufficient impact". Why am I not surprised?
Robbie Warnock's striking charge has been thrown out because the blow was of "insufficient impact". Why am I not surprised?
:)) :)) What's that line about the skin on rice pudding? Sorry 206, cheap shot. But, hey, we're all looking to find the funny side of things at the moment and the pickins 'r' slim!
But 700k is massive overs for a 27 year old that is yet to prove he can get back to his best. I mean even if he does it was a massive massive risk to take.
You've got to give him at least 8 weeks to get up to speed. The guy's has missed a lot of football. He is a premiership player and has proven ability. We don't have too many of those on our list, so you have to take the risk and pay overs.
The reasonable risk would be paying overs for a guy in great form, not for one who is crippled and yet to show he can make it back. I agree though he needs to be given until halfway through the year to improve his fitness and touch.
Robbie Warnock's striking charge has been thrown out because the blow was of "insufficient impact". Why am I not surprised?
To those who believe the AFL is out to get Carlton, this is further proof. Instead of doing us a favour by suspending Warnock, they're trying to weaken us by making him available for the next game.
What is a fully fit Thomas worth?
Staggered at the 850k for Murphy if that's right. No wonder he signed so quickly but if we give him 850k, Daisy seems cheap at 700 ::)
Robbie Warnock's striking charge has been thrown out because the blow was of "insufficient impact". Why am I not surprised?
To those who believe the AFL is out to get Carlton, this is further proof. Instead of doing us a favour by suspending Warnock, they're trying to weaken us by making him available for the next game.
;D
Anyone questioning Thomas value has seriously not spent time watching him attempt to play footy for us.
His work rate is unquestionable, and he earns his money every time he goes out there.
On the weekend he went down with an AC joint sprain. Went into the rooms, got the customary pain killer and strapping and then less than 5 minutes after he went down he was running around attempting to use that same arm as a battering ram. He was basically challenging someone to test it for him. Lucky they didnt decide to do it as I fear for the outcome of such an act given what he just got, but if our boys played with the fire and commitment Thomas does, I wouldnt hesitate to throw a big contract at them (Bryce Gibbs might want to take notice).
I've seen him play live 4 times now. He will run himself into the ground just to make an option or try and spoil an opponent. Give him time. If you asked whether or not someone was worth the money they earned based on the equivalent of one 8 hour day at their workplace, odds are they wont be able to justify the wage they earn.
Anyone questioning Thomas value has seriously not spent time watching him attempt to play footy for us.
His work rate is unquestionable, and he earns his money every time he goes out there.
Mate are you disappointed with anything? He has had ZERO impact. Absolute ZERO. He has had a few moments in games where you take note of his undoubted talent (ie winning one on ones) but earning every bit of his 700K? He is not even worth 400k the way he has played so far. Yes I understand he needs time but seriously could you please get your hand off it? This is up there with Hendo being BOG vs the scum.
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Im dissapointed with a lot of things Carrots, but I dont feel the need to rubbish an obviously good get, at a relatively bargain price (given some of the ridiculous figures free agency is throwing up at the moment i.e. Tom Scully) on the back of 4 games when the ENTIRE 22 have played really poorly.
Anyone questioning Thomas value has seriously not spent time watching him attempt to play footy for us.
His work rate is unquestionable, and he earns his money every time he goes out there.
Mate are you disappointed with anything? He has had ZERO impact. Absolute ZERO. He has had a few moments in games where you take note of his undoubted talent (ie winning one on ones) but earning every bit of his 700K? He is not even worth 400k the way he has played so far. Yes I understand he needs time but seriously could you please get your hand off it? This is up there with Hendo being BOG vs the scum.
To be fair I rememebr the same comments in Judds first few/several games and no I'm not comparing him to Judd. He needs a little time, just hope it's not as much as time we gave Brock :o
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Im dissapointed with a lot of things Carrots, but I dont feel the need to rubbish an obviously good get, at a relatively bargain price (given some of the ridiculous figures free agency is throwing up at the moment i.e. Tom Scully) on the back of 4 games when the ENTIRE 22 have played really poorly.
Who is rubbishing him? You just said he's earned every bit of his money so far! So when he actually starts playing well should we offer him 1.4 mill then? Comparing him to Scully who is the all time worst pick up for that kind of money ever is just silly.
Carrots, I think you need to calm down a bit and concentrate on what is being said, rather than the meaning you are actually taking from it.
Anyone questioning Thomas value has seriously not spent time watching him attempt to play footy for us.
His work rate is unquestionable, and he earns his money every time he goes out there.
Mate are you disappointed with anything? He has had ZERO impact. Absolute ZERO. He has had a few moments in games where you take note of his undoubted talent (ie winning one on ones) but earning every bit of his 700K? He is not even worth 400k the way he has played so far. Yes I understand he needs time but seriously could you please get your hand off it? This is up there with Hendo being BOG vs the scum.
I stand by my comments regarding Henderson. In an 81 point loss, a guy that worked his behind off with very little supply is a candidate for BOG in a really poor side. Why you might ask? Simply because there were not many others that were serious candidates.
I stand by my comments regarding Henderson. In an 81 point loss, a guy that worked his behind off with very little supply is a candidate for BOG in a really poor side. Why you might ask? Simply because there were not many others that were serious candidates.
Henderson is a slow moving middle weight forward, he is going to be crucified under a stop/star game plan. He will have his moments, but it is going to take such a battering of his body to get them his career might be over by 30!
Carrots, I think you need to calm down a bit and concentrate on what is being said, rather than the meaning you are actually taking from it.
Anyone questioning Thomas value has seriously not spent time watching him attempt to play footy for us.
His work rate is unquestionable, and he earns his money every time he goes out there.
Mate are you disappointed with anything? He has had ZERO impact. Absolute ZERO. He has had a few moments in games where you take note of his undoubted talent (ie winning one on ones) but earning every bit of his 700K? He is not even worth 400k the way he has played so far. Yes I understand he needs time but seriously could you please get your hand off it? This is up there with Hendo being BOG vs the scum.
I stand by my comments regarding Henderson. In an 81 point loss, a guy that worked his behind off with very little supply is a candidate for BOG in a really poor side. Why you might ask? Simply because there were not many others that were serious candidates.
Just to pour a little RON 98 on this one... personally, I reckon Hendo is Skipper material.
Though I do see him, at this stage, as a key defender who can pinch hit up forward.
We all bagged Gibbs out for asking the question maybe he is the only one with a set of gonads,as the questions we are asking is exactly what he wants to know, if I was him I'd also like to know where the club was heading before I committed to the joke of a club at the moment.Maybe he also thinks thee is no leadership there and no future and no game plan just like us.
Like it or not at least it's my opinion.
We all bagged Gibbs out for asking the question maybe he is the only one with a set of gonads,as the questions we are asking is exactly what he wants to know, if I was him I'd also like to know where the club was heading before I committed to the joke of a club at the moment.Maybe he also thinks thee is no leadership there and no future and no game plan just like us.
Like it or not at least it's my opinion.
ummm...he's part of the leadership group