Hopefully we can learn from the way the Meat Pies played. After all, we need wins.
They are getable. Get Kreuzer back in, sit on Bont and we will be better around the ball. Schache is very ordinary, we can match their forwards. We just need to kick goals. Collingwood were fairly ordinary.
They are getable. Get Kreuzer back in, sit on Bont and we will be better around the ball. Schache is very ordinary, we can match their forwards. We just need to kick goals. Collingwood were fairly ordinary.
Its not Boltons game to sit on the opposition stars, he just lets them run free and hopes our blokes do more damage.....
Buckley should have retained Greenwood who is their best tagger...
You cant let Bontempelli run free thats the bottom line, he just uses the ball so well and when he gets a lot of ball the Dogs lift...
Its not Boltons game to sit on the opposition stars, he just lets them run free and hopes our blokes do more damage.....
Buckley should have retained Greenwood who is their best tagger...
You cant let Bontempelli run free thats the bottom line, he just uses the ball so well and when he gets a lot of ball the Dogs lift...
Tagging seems to be out of favour. Bolton, Buckley, and Leon Cameron all say they keep to a minimum. I'm sure there are others.
Tagging seems to be out of favour. Bolton, Buckley, and Leon Cameron all say they keep to a minimum. I'm sure there are others.
Tagging has been yesterday’s tactic for a couple of years now. That’s not to say that less enlightened coaches don’t employ it. De Boer on a badly out of form Dusty is a classic example of sacrificing one player’s contribution to achieve very little. Unless your tagger can win his own ball, it’s a tactic that will follow the drop kick into obscurity.
Mind you, bringing the drop kick back for set shots at goal might improve accuracy.
Tagging has been yesterday’s tactic for a couple of years now. That’s not to say that less enlightened coaches don’t employ it. De Boer on a badly out of form Dusty is a classic example of sacrificing one player’s contribution to achieve very little. Unless your tagger can win his own ball, it’s a tactic that will follow the drop kick into obscurity.
Mind you, bringing the drop kick back for set shots at goal might improve accuracy.
Well, I can't comment much on the drop kick, but I think the preference these days is for zones and what is effectively an 18 man defence, as opposed to tagging. The theory I believe is that tagging interferes with zone structures, and is therefore discouraged.
IMO, tagging should be used on an as-needed basis. It may be useful only in certain games, or certain parts of games. I reckon used intelligently tagging can still be useful. I think you have to concede the zone when it's justified.
Well, I can't comment much on the drop kick, but I think the preference these days is for zones and what is effectively an 18 man defence, as opposed to tagging. The theory I believe is that tagging interferes with zone structures, and is therefore discouraged.
IMO, tagging should be used on an as-needed basis. It may be useful only in certain games, or certain parts of games. I reckon used intelligently tagging can still be useful. I think you have to concede the zone when it's justified.
I'd like to see nine points awarded for a drop kick (or place kick) goal ... but that's another conversation.
As a spectator, I would prefer to see tagging banned. As a student of the game, I concede that there is a place for close-checking defenders but more creative coaches will find ways to negate the opposition's better players without compromising team defence. Samo's blocks on Kennedy at stoppages last week were a prime example, particularly as both Samo and Cripps were free to complete clearances.
I think that some commentators struggle with the nuances of the modern game and call stuff that isn't there. eg Kennedy was tagging Cripps. During the Melbourne-Sydney game, one of the commentators said that a Sydney player was tagging Oliver (why would you bother). Almost immediately, the commentators remarked that the Sydney player was opposed to Harmes. In reality, we were simply seeing the zone in action. Perhaps that's too hard for the commentators to take in.
Disagree completely on tagging being a thing of the past.....and if it is then its goodbye Ed Curnow....
In fact tagging is still to the fore and Mark Hutchings of West Coast is probably the new Ryan Crowley in terms of effect, if we think back to the Grand final he took Steele Sidebottom out of the game which went a long way to WC winning the GF given Sidebottom had brained the other finalists the Pies had played and was on fire..
Stewart Dew has been using Jack Bowes to tag the opposing teams best mids and he has done a fair job on Fyfe and Bontempelli in recent weeks, I'd expect him and Holman to rotate on Cripps....
A reasonable win tomorrow and we could jump up to 16th on the ladder. Come on, some positivity here!
A reasonable win tomorrow and we could jump up to 16th on the ladder. Come on, some positivity here!
Blues by 5 goals...not sure why some are using this game as a final verdict on our future or a sack the coach game if we lose...GC like I said on the other thread have fluked a few wins
but are not a benchmark team for anything....they could fluke another win but that doesnt mean we are worse or better than last year and we need a
bigger sample size vs better rated teams to judge where we are...
Blues by 5 goals...not sure why some are using this game as a final verdict on our future or a sack the coach game if we lose...GC like I said on the other thread have fluked a few wins[?]
but are not a benchmark team for anything....they could fluke another win but that doesnt mean we are worse or better than last year and we need a
bigger sample size vs better rated teams to judge where we are...
Why do your posts have paragraph breaks in odd spots EB? It detracts from the content of your posts.
I think we'll pulverise GC tomorrow and that should set us up for some more positive results. Would I put money on us winning? Probably not :)
How did the Bullies pregame turn into the G.C. Pregame??
Why do your posts have paragraph breaks in odd spots EB? It detracts from the content of your posts.
I think we'll pulverise GC tomorrow and that should set us up for some more positive results. Would I put money on us winning? Probably not :)
DJ ..Probably developed the shorthand point form/ extended dotted paragraphs through work as an elec engineer over the years, eg instructions to electrical fitters etc tended
to be short/basic in form and sometimes the technical subtlety's of wordsmithing are lost in favour of content.
Wasnt you who put 550K on Winx today to win 33K?, think I prefer our odds. :)
DJ ..Probably developed the shorthand point form/ extended dotted paragraphs through work as an elec engineer over the years, eg instructions to electrical fitters etc tended
to be short/basic in form and sometimes the technical subtlety's of wordsmithing are lost in favour of content.
Wasnt you who put 550K on Winx today to win 33K?, think I prefer our odds. :)
What platform are you operating on EB? I have found that the text editor on some phones can cause random line breaks.
Tagging has been yesterday’s tactic for a couple of years now. That’s not to say that less enlightened coaches don’t employ it. De Boer on a badly out of form Dusty is a classic example of sacrificing one player’s contribution to achieve very little. Unless your tagger can win his own ball, it’s a tactic that will follow the drop kick into obscurity.
Mind you, bringing the drop kick back for set shots at goal might improve accuracy.
Yep, and that's exactly what Ed did when he hit his straps, he won his own ball.
What platform are you operating on EB? I have found that the text editor on some phones can cause random line breaks.
Cookie, Windows 10 and the odd phone(android) post, most of my problems with spacing/line breaks are by design
not technical issues. Hopefully when I retire at years end I can produce better formatted posts, the content will still be of debatable quality of course.. ;)
We go into the game without a win. Disgraceful. That offers little hope against a team like the Dogs.
We go into the game without a win. Disgraceful. That offers little hope against a team like the Dogs.
We'll win by 6 goals.
We've been $h!t out of luck of late, and we are due for some things to go our way. It will be this week and it will be glorious.
Which coach would not be pencilling in a win against us? We are almost on a par with last year.
Which coach would not be pencilling in a win against us? We are almost on a par with last year.
Dogs are beatable, they have a good midfield but their defense is very working class, Cordy, Wood and Crozier
shouldnt work against the taller McGovern, Harry and Charlie. That trio hasnt worked as a group all season but
a couple of them must be due to fire and thats where we can win the game.
Cripps will need plenty of help this week but with Kreuzer due back he should get an easier run....
Blues by 3 goals.....be another non pretty game to watch IMO.
Dogs are beatable, they have a good midfield but their defense is very working class, Cordy, Wood and Crozier
shouldnt work against the taller McGovern, Harry and Charlie. That trio hasnt worked as a group all season but
a couple of them must be due to fire and thats where we can win the game.
Cripps will need plenty of help this week but with Kreuzer due back he should get an easier run....
Blues by 3 goals.....be another non pretty game to watch IMO.
Dogs are beatable but we cant beat an egg at the moment. Every week we talk about how we can beat this and beat that. I have tried to be positive but after today, I am rock bottom. We will lose next week, the week after, the week after that etc etc. Until I see something different, I cant see how we can beat anyone. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that we will lose every game. We played who everyone tipped to win the wooden spoon and handed them a victory, where does that put us?
Rant over, going to bed, hopefully the sun comes up tomorrow (no pun intended).
Dogs are beatable but we cant beat an egg at the moment. Every week we talk about how we can beat this and beat that. I have tried to be positive but after today, I am rock bottom. We will lose next week, the week after, the week after that etc etc. Until I see something different, I cant see how we can beat anyone. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that we will lose every game. We played who everyone tipped to win the wooden spoon and handed them a victory, where does that put us?
Rant over, going to bed, hopefully the sun comes up tomorrow (no pun intended).
Feel this too.
Dogs are beatable but we cant beat an egg at the moment. Every week we talk about how we can beat this and beat that. I have tried to be positive but after today, I am rock bottom. We will lose next week, the week after, the week after that etc etc. Until I see something different, I cant see how we can beat anyone. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that we will lose every game. We played who everyone tipped to win the wooden spoon and handed them a victory, where does that put us?
Rant over, going to bed, hopefully the sun comes up tomorrow (no pun intended).
I didnt see the GC game as make or break..as the scores showed two ordinary teams who played a shocking standard game and neither of them got much out of it.
re: Dogs..I said how we should win the game and the margin but would I put my money on it ,probably not but I still see some hope of getting a few wins if we get
some luck.
I didnt see the GC game as make or break..as the scores showed two ordinary teams who played a shocking standard game and neither of them got much out of it.
re: Dogs..I said how we should win the game and the margin but would I put my money on it ,probably not but I still see some hope of getting a few wins if we get
some luck.
This luck thing, explain it to me? Is luck hitting targets? Kicking Straight? Manning up? Making good decisions?
Their midfielders will each get 30 possessions running around unattended and they win by 6-8 goals.
The same CFC players (Walsh, Cripps, Weeters and Jones) will try valiantly to hold the tide, but they will drown under the weight of passengers and a flood of f ups from the usual hackers.
This luck thing, explain it to me? Is luck hitting targets? Kicking Straight? Manning up? Making good decisions?
Just the usual things like the ball running our way on the bounce , the umps paying the 50/50 ones our way, a few freebies in front of goal,those
good tackles being rewarded. Not having the opposition 7ft monster ruckman pitted against your plan B,C and D rucks.
Bontempelli doing a hammy in the warmup...
Just the usual things like the ball running our way on the bounce , the umps paying the 50/50 ones our way, a few freebies in front of goal,those
good tackles being rewarded. Not having the opposition 7ft monster ruckman pitted against your plan B,C and D rucks.
Bontempelli doing a hammy in the warmup...
WB's could not turn up (literally) until 3/4 time and we would still find a way to lose. Remember that video someone did all those years ago about Port Adelaide losing against the bye? We would dead set lose against the bye if it was next week.
I'm starting to wonder if the questions people having been asking about us are in fact very valid. Like someone asked a few days ago, why do other teams rebuild, redraft, changes their lists but still manage to win games? Look at the ladder. Every team has a win except us. Every team has won and unexpected game except us. If we cant beat GC, we cant beat anyone I'm afraid. Richmond went and won without their 4 best players. Take out Cripps, Weiters, Jones and Walsh from our side this week and we would lose to Frankston.
This game is likely to hit our percentage hard. A win for us against the Bulldogs is fairy land dreaming. I just hope we don’t get belted as the next 3 after are really not much better chances of a victory for the Blues. Not from where our squad stands at the moment.
This game is likely to hit our percentage hard. A win for us against the Bulldogs is fairy land dreaming. I just hope we don’t get belted as the next 3 after are really not much better chances of a victory for the Blues. Not from where our squad stands at the moment.
BS. Gold Coast beat them by 5! ;)
Let there be hope I am an idiot and wrong. I am happy to come back and admit that. :))
Things are never as good as they seem and they're never as bad as they seem.
We'll beat a side soon no one is expecting us to, and I'm tipping it will be the flag pies.
Dogs by 4 goals.
As much as I disagree with it, I fear this will be the beginning of the end for Bolton, unless the club has truly changed, or unless someone like Walls can talk sense to the power brokers and go into bat for a young beleaguered coach like he did for Ratten.
The media have already started their usual nonsense - the kids won't be able to handle that sort of pressure, and the oldies have been through it so many times, it's quite possibly all they know. So unless the club is genuinely united, and learns from clubs like the Pies how to handle external pressure, I feel it will be a rinse and repeat of past capitulations.
Really hoping I'm way wrong.
If BB goes if we lose this one then we are officially a joke, if we are not already.
We are already Cookie. Hearing Sam Walsh is sore, wouldn't be surprised if he gets a rest this week
Robbo takes aim at the players not Bolts
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carltons-players-deserve-to-feel-the-heat-after-winless-start-not-coach-brendon-bolton-writes-mark-robinson/news-story/9f7aff302cb8fbe445139f001d9a6f74
Instead of heat being turned up on coach Brendon Bolton after Carlton’s fourth defeat of the season, heat should be directed at the players.
The unofficial stance at the club today was Bolton is coach, he will remain coach and the support for him internally is unwavering....
...While most football observers want a piece of Bolton — who’s winning percentage is just 21.4 — it’s the players who must take a level of responsibility.
What’s happened to Charlie Curnow?
He’s taken one contested mark in three games, and only 11 marks overall....
...Every player has a role, but surely Curnow is too damned good to be a role player.
It’s time for Charlie to get himself dirty.
Been surprised watching Charlie this year, is still moving well and getting to lots of contests, but seems to be dropping what for him are easy marks way to regularly. I suspect he may have a finger/hand injury that we don't know about
Bolton will be sacked when the fans stop turning up which is going to happen now.
What’s happened to Charlie Curnow?
He’s taken one contested mark in three games, and only 11 marks.
Hey Flubbo, without seeming to be sticking up for Charlie, he’s played just under a game and a half!!
Hey Flubbo, without seeming to be sticking up for Charlie, he’s played just under a game and a half!!
To be fair, I plucked the Charlie bits out of the article, he did mentioned others. We did have a goals thread and many pencilled Charlie in in for bucket loads of goals. At this rate, he is track to get 20-25 for the year. Thats way under the expectations so Flubbo is right...
"It’s time for Charlie to get himself dirty."
Things are never as good as they seem and they're never as bad as they seem.
We'll beat a side soon no one is expecting us to, and I'm tipping it will be the flag pies.
...and sometimes things are better than they seem and worse than they seem... ...and sometimes things are exactly as they seem. My twopence worth, Three Leos.
If our first win is against Rottingwood, it'll be a caretaker coach at the helm.
Bolton will be sacked when the fans stop turning up which is going to happen now.
Judging by the images of a distraught BB being consoled in the rooms by Liddle, and what he said about BB when door stopped today, I wouldnt have thought so.
Been surprised watching Charlie this year, is still moving well and getting to lots of contests, but seems to be dropping what for him are easy marks way to regularly. I suspect he may have a finger/hand injury that we don't know about
I reckon he might be suffering from Nick Riewoldts problem.
Spends too much time running around in circles to get the ball, by the time he does he's stuffed and makes silly decisions because he is mentally and physically exhausted.
Not sure if it was the 1st game or 2nd game, but they flashed up km's run and Charlie was top 3 on the ground, and it was late in the 3rd quarter or even 4th quarter. There are like 15 mids on the ground, and he's running more than them.
I know its from yesteryear, but how good of a kick was Plugger? How many kms you reckon he ran?
Short bursts, lead, mark, kick a goal, repeat.
Our forward line has the best hands in the league. Why do we need them to run so many kms? Let them stay at home more, fly for marks and whatever they don't take have the little blokes feed off them.
If we want Charlie to be receiving the ball up around the wings as a hitup forward, just play him on a wing instead. He'll be in the same position of the ground, but doing less kms to do the same job, thus less fatigued. Yes, he's an athletic beast, but that doesn't mean we need to run him into the ground in every game!
It might be that Harry, Charlie and McGovern doesnt work, McGovern has probably taken some of Charlies ball down forward and twos company threes a crowd.
I might do what Krud suggested and our next coach Ross Lyon would do every now and then with Reiwoldt and play Charlie on the wing so he can run around and be part of the delivery service rather than be the end receiver...
Everybody has talked about Charlie being able to ply midfield and having that tall winger can be handy on the kick ins and its going to be a hell of shock for some little kid finding C. Curnow standing him on the wing....
McGovern showed he is ready to impact games and I think he should be the main target and we spread the forward line so he gets more one on ones.....
It might be that Harry, Charlie and McGovern doesnt work, McGovern has probably taken some of Charlies ball down forward and twos company threes a crowd.
I might do what Krud suggested and our next coach Ross Lyon would do every now and then with Reiwoldt and play Charlie on the wing so he can run around and be part of the delivery service rather than be the end receiver...
Everybody has talked about Charlie being able to ply midfield and having that tall winger can be handy on the kick ins and its going to be a hell of shock for some little kid finding C. Curnow standing him on the wing....
McGovern showed he is ready to impact games and I think he should be the main target and we spread the forward line so he gets more one on ones.....
Yep. Brackets does this really curious thing for a CFC forward, he marks and kicks goals... this may take some getting used to.
Oh, and Levi... please selectors, no more.
McGovern's second quarter on the weekend was elite, but he was unsighted for the other 3 quarters
McGovern's second quarter on the weekend was elite, but he was unsighted for the other 3 quarters
Our other tall marking target :) in Gibbons seemed to be main man and our real tall forwards seemed up the field or out of position.....its bizarre how we lose games
or change winning formulas. McGovern was on that game and should have been fed the ball and space provided for him to work in, he is a reliable kick and
can work an opponent especially newbies like GC had down back.
Which coach would not be pencilling in a win against us? We are almost on a par with last year.
Worsfold...lol.
Our other tall marking target :) in Gibbons seemed to be main man and our real tall forwards seemed up the field or out of position.....its bizarre how we lose games
or change winning formulas. McGovern was on that game and should have been fed the ball and space provided for him to work in, he is a reliable kick and
can work an opponent especially newbies like GC had down back.
Agreed EB, the Gov would/could have kicked 10 if he was given some space (by his own team mates) and the ball was directed to him frequently....
Our other tall marking target :) in Gibbons seemed to be main man and our real tall forwards seemed up the field or out of position.....its bizarre how we lose games
or change winning formulas. McGovern was on that game and should have been fed the ball and space provided for him to work in, he is a reliable kick and
can work an opponent especially newbies like GC had down back.
The problem is EB1 they structure up off each other, so when you get kids like McKay and Charlie out of sorts they end up out of position leading towards the ball carrier, and it forks everybody up!
It's been that way three rounds in a row now, some with and some without Casboult, having the three talls is not working! It's not the same as having two rucks with one floating forward out of the midfield. The fact the rucks aren't really moving just zoning makes a huge difference, they don't drag defenders into a team-mates space!
Even so with our decision making I'm not sure what to think. Watch the replay, you see our mids and HBs kick the ball to the center of a three opponents zone, right over the top of a Carlton three forward zone. FFS, if McKay, Charlie and McGovern are in a triangle with clear space in between put the forking football in the middle of them, stop kicking it onto heads surrounded by defenders!
I'd start dragging blokes whenever they "kick at the player", they've got to start getting the message somehow!
If you want to kick on somebodies head, kick it on the head of the bloke dropping in front of McGovern or McKay and tell them to have no mercy!
Our other tall marking target :) in Gibbons seemed to be main man and our real tall forwards seemed up the field or out of position.....its bizarre how we lose games
or change winning formulas. McGovern was on that game and should have been fed the ball and space provided for him to work in, he is a reliable kick and
can work an opponent especially newbies like GC had down back.
Change a winning formula or poor positioning by Gov CC and H? They showed vision last night of all three of them leading and moving to the wrong spots. I wont believe for a minute that they were under instruction to leave Gibbons one out in the fwd line. To me, its key fwds pushing up the ground then not working hard enough to get back. Gov did go off with an ankle injury for abit so maybe he was restricted. Buggered if I know the players need to work each other out pronto.
In any case, the GC game was soul destroying. It will be interesting to see how they (Players and coaching staff) respond this week.
For mine
Ins Kreuzer SOS and Kennedy
Outs Setterfield Casboult Gibbons
I'd give Dow one more week to clean up his disposal or its NB time for him also.
Our other tall marking target :) in Gibbons seemed to be main man and our real tall forwards seemed up the field or out of position.....its bizarre how we lose games
or change winning formulas. McGovern was on that game and should have been fed the ball and space provided for him to work in, he is a reliable kick and
can work an opponent especially newbies like GC had down back.
Teague is the forward coach. I would have thought he would have more control over the way the forwards are playing.
I don't think BB is solely responsible for the way the team is playing.
Teague is the forward coach. I would have thought he would have more control over the way the forwards are playing.
I don't think BB is solely responsible for the way the team is playing.
There is enough evidence to suggest that the midfield and forward disconnect is a bigger issue than anything else at the moment.
The way individuals are playing is good enough. The way the midfield works defensively is good enough.
The way the forward line is moving (in the first couple of games, our smalls were getting to the ball drop of our talls well enough to suggest we are doing something here, and lets face it, we have made some changes to the lines enough to cause us some issues).
That means that experience of game situations and time is going to be a better help than anything else.
That means that experience of game situations and time is going to be a better help than anything else.
Yes, and the irony for Bolton may be that they reach that critical threshold after he's had his papers stamped!
There is enough evidence to suggest that the midfield and forward disconnect is a bigger issue than anything else at the moment.
The way individuals are playing is good enough. The way the midfield works defensively is good enough.
The way the forward line is moving (in the first couple of games, our smalls were getting to the ball drop of our talls well enough to suggest we are doing something here, and lets face it, we have made some changes to the lines enough to cause us some issues).
That means that experience of game situations and time is going to be a better help than anything else.
Not sure our midfield does much defensively...either down back or picking up their opponents. You look at the opposing teams mids and they all seem to get plenty of the footy and are running loose.
I think our defense has been good but its been held together by Jones and Weitering doing their job and carrying the others....
Not sure our midfield does much defensively...either down back or picking up their opponents. You look at the opposing teams mids and they all seem to get plenty of the footy and are running loose.
I think our defense has been good but its been held together by Jones and Weitering doing their job and carrying the others....
Those two, Jones and Weitering, have hardly polled an AFLCA vote between them!
Yet many on here would have them high in the B&F progressive vote, it borders on bizarre how differently people on the inside see the game.
Not sure our midfield does much defensively...either down back or picking up their opponents. You look at the opposing teams mids and they all seem to get plenty of the footy and are running loose.
I think our defense has been good but its been held together by Jones and Weitering doing their job and carrying the others....
Amen, our midfielders are very lazy defensively - that said,with most of the multiple cheap turnovers we create, what chance do they have...?
We waste so much energy. When we get the ball, player movement is such that they are expecting the next possession to be to the team's advantage. When the handball is at the feet, or a 20m kick misses by 5 metres, it stuffs it all up. Players keep having to go in for second, third efforts or try to get the ball back. Tiring stuff. As another post in a different thread suggested, if you have run 100+ m for possession and it's turned over, it is a long way back if you're already a bit tired.
We waste so much energy. When we get the ball, player movement is such that they are expecting the next possession to be to the team's advantage. When the handball is at the feet, or a 20m kick misses by 5 metres, it stuffs it all up. Players keep having to go in for second, third efforts or try to get the ball back. Tiring stuff. As another post in a different thread suggested, if you have run 100+ m for possession and it's turned over, it is a long way back if you're already a bit tired.
Yep, it's inefficiency and some.
The problem is EB1 they structure up off each other, so when you get kids like McKay and Charlie out of sorts they end up out of position leading towards the ball carrier, and it forks everybody up!
It's been that way three rounds in a row now, some with and some without Casboult, having the three talls is not working! It's not the same as having two rucks with one floating forward out of the midfield. The fact the rucks aren't really moving just zoning makes a huge difference, they don't drag defenders into a team-mates space!
Even so with our decision making I'm not sure what to think. Watch the replay, you see our mids and HBs kick the ball to the center of a three opponents zone, right over the top of a Carlton three forward zone. FFS, if McKay, Charlie and McGovern are in a triangle with clear space in between put the forking football in the middle of them, stop kicking it onto heads surrounded by defenders!
I'd start dragging blokes whenever they "kick at the player", they've got to start getting the message somehow!
If you want to kick on somebodies head, kick it on the head of the bloke dropping in front of McGovern or McKay and tell them to have no mercy!
The issue we've got right now we've had for a very long time. As soon as we cross the centre with the ball in hand the players' brains go into neutral. I don't like our forward structure - we never seem to be able to get short passes to a teammate inside 50. It is always long bombs where we rely on a contested mark or a crumbing goal. Both are rare.
Even when we do have the easiest of easy opportunities finally present itself - Dow finds a way to kick it 5m over Gov's head from a 15m pass.
Our use of the ball has been an issue on this scale for the past 3 coaches so I'm not sure how to fix it at this point. You can't just blame this coach or these players as it has been like this for so long.
How Cripps, under no pressure, having taken a mark could possibly choose to spear a long bomb at Gibbons in the last quarter will forever go down as one of the most difficult decisions to get my head around ever.
How Cripps, under no pressure, having taken a mark could possibly choose to spear a long bomb at Gibbons in the last quarter will forever go down as one of the most difficult decisions to get my head around ever.
That feels like a pre-programmed behavior, a coached behavior, although I not he coach complained about it!
I suspect Cripps acted in that manner, as planned, and that the plans probably required someone other than Gibbons to be at the fall of the ball!
Or else Cripps was just wrong.
How does anyone explain otherwise?
The issue we've got right now we've had for a very long time. As soon as we cross the centre with the ball in hand the players' brains go into neutral. I don't like our forward structure - we never seem to be able to get short passes to a teammate inside 50. It is always long bombs where we rely on a contested mark or a crumbing goal. Both are rare.
Even when we do have the easiest of easy opportunities finally present itself - Dow finds a way to kick it 5m over Gov's head from a 15m pass.
Our use of the ball has been an issue on this scale for the past 3 coaches so I'm not sure how to fix it at this point. You can't just blame this coach or these players as it has been like this for so long.
How Cripps, under no pressure, having taken a mark could possibly choose to spear a long bomb at Gibbons in the last quarter will forever go down as one of the most difficult decisions to get my head around ever.
SPS and Fisher are reliable enough with ball in hand kicking short but then its hard to find any of our other mids who kick the ball well on a consistent basis...
Dow, Cripps, Murphy, Ed, Polson, Gibbons, Garlett, Setterfield and Kennedy are not players I would want kicking for my life, Obrien is meant to be a good kick and has a good style but doesnt kick under pressure well enough so being a forward and expecting reasonable delivery is hit or miss a lot of the time. Couple that with some brain dead decision making as you suggested and its hard for our forwards to get the ball unless its by individual effort. Docherty and Williamson are missed as you have pointed out previously but we probably need two more mids with elite kicking skills to turn the odds in our favour.
If Adelaide continue to implode I'd be having a crack at Matt Crouch, plus Tomlinson and Coniglio from GWS...we wont get them all but we need that extra class, we just have too many blue collar butchers....
What happened to the 'we use the off season to practice match simulations, especially tight finishes'. I thought every team was drilled to within an inch of their lives about tight finish scenarios??
That feels like a pre-programmed behavior, a coached behavior, although I not he coach complained about it!
I suspect Cripps acted in that manner, as planned, and that the plans probably required someone other than Gibbons to be at the fall of the ball!
Or else Cripps was just wrong.
How does anyone explain otherwise?
My take on things?
Gibbons is simply a smarter footballer than our big forwards.
How else would he be able to lead to the right spot that midfielders can't help but kick it to him?
Teague is the forward coach. I would have thought he would have more control over the way the forwards are playing.
I don't think BB is solely responsible for the way the team is playing.
Teague's been good everywhere he's gone. He was the one and only reason McGovern came to Carlton after working with him at Adelaide. So it becomes a Carlton question more than anything. Not hard to tell there's a disconnect between the mids and forwards.
Teague's been good everywhere he's gone. He was the one and only reason McGovern came to Carlton after working with him at Adelaide. So it becomes a Carlton question more than anything. Not hard to tell there's a disconnect between the mids and forwards.
who looks after the mids? Stanton?
who looks after the mids? Stanton?
Teague is the midfield coach and Stanton is the MF development coach.
who looks after the mids? Stanton?
Stanton is a development coach, Cameron Bruce is the midfield coach.
As I said in the post-game thread, Bolton needs to lock Teague and Bruce in a room until they are in harmony as to how the forwards present and the midfield delivers.
Stanton is a development coach, Cameron Bruce is the midfield coach.
As I said in the post-game thread, Bolton needs to lock Teague and Bruce in a room until they are in harmony as to how the forwards present and the midfield delivers.
ok, Bruce rings a bell....from memory he was a rather flaky player - some good days, plenty of MIA?
At the Dees, where mediocrity abounded in his time.
Tarred with the same brush as Green I reckon. Background doesn't instill confidence. HFFs tend to be confident, flighty types with nice hair and teeth.... Coaches seem to come from defenders who were often average players. Maybe having to fight to make it so can emphasize with the average player?
ok, Bruce rings a bell....from memory he was a rather flaky player - some good days, plenty of MIA?
At the Dees, where mediocrity abounded in his time.
None of our coaches were much chop as players and none played in a premiership at the highest level
ok, Bruce rings a bell....from memory he was a rather flaky player - some good days, plenty of MIA?
At the Dees, where mediocrity abounded in his time.
Bruce finished his playing career with Hawthorn (not renowned for recruiting flaky players) and went on to an assistant coaching role there. Yet another Hawthorn product on our books.
Apart from some disposal issues (and poor decision making by some of the youngsters - and that’s more of a development issue), the midfield is doing OK.
The Golden Child, aka David Teague, seems to be the assistant coach with the most work to do.
Bruce finished his playing career with Hawthorn (not renowned for recruiting flaky players) and went on to an assistant coaching role there. Yet another Hawthorn product on our books.
Apart from some disposal issues (and poor decision making by some of the youngsters - and that’s more of a development issue), the midfield is doing OK.
The Golden Child, aka David Teague, seems to be the assistant coach with the most work to do.
You must have missed them constantly f... up the delivery into F50 on Sunday DJC - kicking repeatedly to Gibbons, dribble kicks, kicks directly to the opposition, kicks over the head of team mates....yep, that's clearly all sorted.
My bad.
You must have missed them constantly f... up the delivery into F50 on Sunday DJC - kicking repeatedly to Gibbons, dribble kicks, kicks directly to the opposition, kicks over the head of team mates....yep, that's clearly all sorted.
My bad.
I think that you have to apply at least half the blame to poor structures and system in the forward line ... and skill errors aren't necessarily the fault of the line coach. Bruce and Teague have to work out how to ensure that a long bomb to Gibbons and at least one taller opponent isn't the first option.
You must have missed them constantly f... up the delivery into F50 on Sunday DJC - kicking repeatedly to Gibbons, dribble kicks, kicks directly to the opposition, kicks over the head of team mates....yep, that's clearly all sorted.
My bad.
Swap Gibbons with a creative, opportunistic Higgins (from Richmond) or Elliott (from the Filth) and I'll bet a couple of those hail marys are converted to goals.
Swap Gibbons with a creative, opportunistic Higgins (from Richmond) or Elliott (from the Filth) and I'll bet a couple of those hail marys are converted to goals.
I'll let you in on a secret, Bolton doesnt know this one either, keep it to yourself.
Ready, Gibbons is a midfielder, bet that surprised you?? won two Listons playing as a mid.....You thought he was a small forward and Brendon thinks he is a tall marking target.
I guess everyone is a tall marking target to Brendon though...
Gibbons did hit McGovern up though with a few passes didnt he?
Take your point on Higgins and Elliott, SOS did try for Lonie from Stkilda but alas he stayed put......Lebois, Garlett are a waste of list space and its shame Pickett cant stay on the park.
Fas has been disappointing and remains injury prone so you could say its not for want of trying with SOS to find that small X factor forward.
I'll let you in on a secret, Bolton doesnt know this one either, keep it to yourself.
Ready, Gibbons is a midfielder, bet that surprised you?? won two Listons playing as a mid.....You thought he was a small forward and Brendon thinks he is a tall marking target.
I guess everyone is a tall marking target to Brendon though...
Gibbons did hit McGovern up though with a few passes didnt he?
Take your point on Higgins and Elliott, SOS did try for Lonie from Stkilda but alas he stayed put......Lebois, Garlett are a waste of list space and its shame Pickett cant stay on the park.
Fas has been disappointing and remains injury prone so you could say its not for want of trying with SOS to find that small X factor forward.
Totally agree
Over coaching
Give the kid a go where he plays his best footy.
Mid field is made for blokes that have to work hard, not get dropped off in limos
I'll let you in on a secret, Bolton doesnt know this one either, keep it to yourself.
Ready, Gibbons is a midfielder, bet that surprised you?? won two Listons playing as a mid.....You thought he was a small forward and Brendon thinks he is a tall marking target.
I guess everyone is a tall marking target to Brendon though...
Gibbons did hit McGovern up though with a few passes didnt he?
Take your point on Higgins and Elliott, SOS did try for Lonie from Stkilda but alas he stayed put......Lebois, Garlett are a waste of list space and its shame Pickett cant stay on the park.
Fas has been disappointing and remains injury prone so you could say its not for want of trying with SOS to find that small X factor forward.
;D
God only knows how LeBois stayed on the list during the last cull....
Pickett's injury is a 4-6 monther - he could well be back in some low level training by now - but clearly behind the 8 ball for this season.
Garlett? Played back in the 1s, forward in the 2s - yeah, that gives the bloke a fair chance! To me, he's a winger/forward.
I'll let you in on a secret, Bolton doesnt know this one either, keep it to yourself.
Ready, Gibbons is a midfielder, bet that surprised you?? won two Listons playing as a mid.....You thought he was a small forward and Brendon thinks he is a tall marking target.
I guess everyone is a tall marking target to Brendon though...
Gibbons did hit McGovern up though with a few passes didnt he?
Take your point on Higgins and Elliott, SOS did try for Lonie from Stkilda but alas he stayed put......Lebois, Garlett are a waste of list space and its shame Pickett cant stay on the park.
Fas has been disappointing and remains injury prone so you could say its not for want of trying with SOS to find that small X factor forward.
Gibbins is definately a midfielder. That's where he should be played.
We haven't got an AFL class small forward. Along with a ruckman that's where our next recruiting drive should be aimed.
I agree, Le Bois, Garlett and Pickett should be gone next year.
A fit Fasolo would be handy. Lets hope he comes good very soon.
Bruce finished his playing career with Hawthorn (not renowned for recruiting flaky players) and went on to an assistant coaching role there. Yet another Hawthorn product on our books.
Apart from some disposal issues (and poor decision making by some of the youngsters - and that’s more of a development issue), the midfield is doing OK.
The Golden Child, aka David Teague, seems to be the assistant coach with the most work to do.
The most important Hawthorn product in our club is crap as 3 wins from 36 testifies.
Be a nightmare being a forward coach at Carlton. How do you coach to that lottery coming into the F50. Teague's been very good at every other club. He's the one reason McGovern is here after working with him in Adelaide. If a good player says he's here because of Teague then that's a fair reference. Remembering too the absolutely outstanding job he did getting an average Northern Bullants side to consecutive Grand Finals. I suggest the midfield coach might be the one who has the work to do. After all our midfield movement is horrible. Probably work better if we had a decent head coach.
The most important Hawthorn product in our club is crap as 3 wins from 36 testifies.
Be a nightmare being a forward coach at Carlton. How do you coach to that lottery coming into the F50. Teague's been very good at every other club. He's the one reason McGovern is here after working with him in Adelaide. If a good player says he's here because of Teague then that's a fair reference. Remembering too the absolutely outstanding job he did getting an average Northern Bullants side to consecutive Grand Finals. I suggest the midfield coach might be the one who has the work to do. After all our midfield movement is horrible. Probably work better if we had a decent head coach.
Our team is far from perfect anyway, but I agree that fixing the midfield is the most urgent issue. We have brought in some good young talent but they seem to be lacking the overall culture/guidance in which to develop to AFL level requirements. Crippa is fighting a lone on field battle there and we need to fix that urgently.
Gibbins is definately a midfielder. That's where he should be played.
We haven't got an AFL class small forward. Along with a ruckman that's where our next recruiting drive should be aimed.
I agree, Le Bois, Garlett and Pickett should be gone next year.
A fit Fasolo would be handy. Lets hope he comes good very soon.
No way will Pickett be chopped.
Our team is far from perfect anyway, but I agree that fixing the midfield is the most urgent issue. We have brought in some good young talent but they seem to be lacking the overall culture/guidance in which to develop to AFL level requirements. Crippa is fighting a lone on field battle there and we need to fix that urgently.
And Crippa figured it out for himself seemingly!!
And Crippa figured it out for himself seemingly!!
Yep. He is exceptional and definitely has the warrior genes! Unfortunately not many around like him - Sam Walsh looks promising but early days for him.
Yep. He is exceptional and definitely has the warrior genes! Unfortunately not many around like him - Sam Walsh looks promising but early days for him.
We ask too much of Cripps.
He is already an inside warrior, now we want him to be an outside racehorse, a technician and a marksmen. It'll break him if we keep up that level of expectation and then he'll be lost to us!
We ask too much of Cripps.
He is already an inside warrior, now we want him to be an outside racehorse, a technician and a marksmen. It'll break him if we keep up that level of expectation and then he'll be lost to us!
Without doubt.
I'll let you in on a secret, Bolton doesnt know this one either, keep it to yourself.
Ready, Gibbons is a midfielder, bet that surprised you?? won two Listons playing as a mid.....You thought he was a small forward and Brendon thinks he is a tall marking target.
I guess everyone is a tall marking target to Brendon though...
Gibbons did hit McGovern up though with a few passes didnt he?
Take your point on Higgins and Elliott, SOS did try for Lonie from Stkilda but alas he stayed put......Lebois, Garlett are a waste of list space and its shame Pickett cant stay on the park.
Fas has been disappointing and remains injury prone so you could say its not for want of trying with SOS to find that small X factor forward.
I fully understand he is a mid and should be given a crack in there. It must be that he has been asked to play a roll fwd as there have been no other options. Polson? Fail. Fas? Fail to date. Swap Murphy and Gibbons maybe and see how we go.
I fully understand he is a mid and should be given a crack in there. It must be that he has been asked to play a roll fwd as there have been no other options. Polson? Fail. Fas? Fail to date. Swap Murphy and Gibbons maybe and see how we go.
IMO we should not be weakening our midfield at all in a quest to find what would likely be a suboptimal SF.
The most important Hawthorn product in our club is crap as 3 wins from 36 testifies.
Be a nightmare being a forward coach at Carlton. How do you coach to that lottery coming into the F50. Teague's been very good at every other club. He's the one reason McGovern is here after working with him in Adelaide. If a good player says he's here because of Teague then that's a fair reference. Remembering too the absolutely outstanding job he did getting an average Northern Bullants side to consecutive Grand Finals. I suggest the midfield coach might be the one who has the work to do. After all our midfield movement is horrible. Probably work better if we had a decent head coach.
You can’t seriously think that our forward line is functioning well!
The talls rarely provide effective leads and often end up competing for the same space. The small forwards aren’t crumbing and they are certainly not providing adequate defensive pressure.
Losing Charlie and the Gov for periods hasn’t helped but Teague still has a lot of talent to work with. He needs to sort out running patterns and make sure that he and Bruce are on the same page for delivery to the forwards and locking the ball inside 50.
What Teague may have achieved in the past is irrelevant. It’s what he does with our forward line now that is critical.
We move the ball to slow and the few times we do move it quick on a break our forwards are in the defensive half of the ground.
The problem is the game plan or the player can't carry out the game plan, either way it's all on Bolton.
What Teague may have achieved in the past is irrelevant. It’s what he does with our forward line now that is critical.
Agreed, and under different playing conditions. We almost have to disregard the past performances of coaches given the current rules have had such a dramatic effect, admittedly coach driven.
It's like the game is the meat in the sandwich at the moment, stuck between control freak coaches and control freak administration.
I'll help Teague out.....play Zac Fisher as the small pressure forward, can kick goals, tackles well and has been getting a bit of attention in the midfield from taggers anyway so
it might help his game and the team if we start him deep forward and see what happens.
We have plenty of mid options to cover him and we need goals to win games......lets try and be proactive rather than reactive for a change.
I'll help Teague out.....play Zac Fisher as the small pressure forward, can kick goals, tackles well and has been getting a bit of attention in the midfield from taggers anyway so
it might help his game and the team if we start him deep forward and see what happens.
We have plenty of mid options to cover him and we need goals to win games......lets try and be proactive rather than reactive for a change.
I sort of agree, but I don't think we have plenty of cover.
I think the problem might be when we do not win the football, many of our other mid options are dead slow by comparison, opponents just run off them even the captain! Otherwise swap Ed for Fish in a heartbeat!
On a separate issue, I think we made a huge blunder when Docherty went down, we should have publicly announced a replacement 2IC. To me Cripps is the emotional captain, and he plays like that to a very high standard, but he's not the clinical finisher / tactician we also need. Cripps as a solo captain to me is like if the Dawks had given Hodge the job before he was ready, it was either good design or good luck Hodge spent a few years under Mitchell. Mitchell was the clinical tactician type before the emotive Hodge got the gig! Cripps will grow into the role, but he could have used some help short term!
But who EB1, what type of 2IC, someone to also grow or someone who has already been there?
I sort of agree, but I don't think we have plenty of cover.
I think the problem might be when we do not win the football, many of our other mid options are dead slow by comparison, opponents just run off them even the captain! Otherwise swap Ed for Fish in a heartbeat!
On a separate issue, I think we made a huge blunder when Docherty went down, we should have publicly announced a replacement 2IC. To me Cripps is the emotional captain, and he plays like that to a very high standard, but he's not the clinical finisher / tactician we also need. Cripps as a solo captain to me is like if the Dawks had given Hodge the job before he was ready, it was either good design or good luck Hodge spent a few years under Mitchell. Mitchell was the clinical tactician type before the emotive Hodge got the gig! Cripps will grow into the role, but he could have used some help short term!
But who EB1, what type of 2IC, someone to also grow or someone who has already been there?
Daisy Thomas......he isnt Hodge but he has won a premiership , been part of a successful club and is respected by the playing group IMO....
Daisy Thomas......he isnt Hodge but he has won a premiership , been part of a successful club and is respected by the playing group IMO....
Fair enough, and I agree. But I think he ejected himself form the leadership group a couple of seasons back, maybe he's a leader without needing the title anyway!
What about a kid or marginal player we wanted to see grow, do we have one, Weitering, SPS, Fisher, Plowman perhaps even Jones! I was surprised to read Jones is so analytical, I'd not read that as part of his personality before.
Trying to use Charlie up the ground thru the midfield I reckon works against us more then it works.
I know he has been below his best but when he is on he is unpredictable and exciting talent and a massive team lifter, and regardless of his form he would worry opposition teams a lot more when he roaming around within goal scoring range.
He may have the tank for playing more thru the middle of the ground but he is far too often a liability with decision making and execution to warrant much game time there. Seems like the type of footballer that when he has too many options he gets lost and overthinks it
Get him starting closer to goal - take a few big grabs and kick straight. We need to score more and he needs his confidence back. Playing deep should help both those issues.
I'll help Teague out.....play Zac Fisher as the small pressure forward, can kick goals, tackles well and has been getting a bit of attention in the midfield from taggers anyway so
it might help his game and the team if we start him deep forward and see what happens.
We have plenty of mid options to cover him and we need goals to win games......lets try and be proactive rather than reactive for a change.
In other words, swap Gibbons for Fisher and work to both their strengths!!! (Maybe I should be a line coach, because that was hard to work out!!)
Not Daisy....We need an 'enforcer' captain who can stand up in finals and dish out some punishment. Voss-like. Someone with balls who can run through a pack or player if the situation calls.
Maybe Schumacher or Stocker once they bulk up. We have to consider that Cripps may not be at the club long Term.
Trying to use Charlie up the ground thru the midfield I reckon works against us more then it works.
I know he has been below his best
Watched quarters 2 and 3 again last night (couldn't stomach 4th quarter) and Charlie dropped a couple but also moved up the ground and took 9 marks (more than any GC player and equal 3rd for us). He was also crucified by our players when he was in the forward 50 and we were streaming down field, given donuts.
Also, he 'recovered' from a 2 - 3 week injury in one week, which means he could have still been feeling some effects.
All in all, Charlie will start to influence games again when we work out how to kick it to him properly and when McGov, McKay and he team up to combine together to maxmise each players strengths.
Not Daisy....We need an 'enforcer' captain who can stand up in finals and dish out some punishment. Voss-like. Someone with balls who can run through a pack or player if the situation calls.
Maybe Schumacher or Stocker once they bulk up. We have to consider that Cripps may not be at the club long Term.
We dont have an enforcer on the list other than Cripps who will fly the flag, even our rucks dont play a tough game like some of the other ruckman...
Schumacher isnt that style and either is Stocker......
If you want an enforcer you will need to recruit one and these days they have to be able to hold their place in the team as footballers too...
Fair enough, and I agree. But I think he ejected himself form the leadership group a couple of seasons back, maybe he's a leader without needing the title anyway!
What about a kid or marginal player we wanted to see grow, do we have one, Weitering, SPS, Fisher, Plowman perhaps even Jones! I was surprised to read Jones is so analytical, I'd not read that as part of his personality before.
LP..Weitering is a logical leader as he can play the game at a high level, is a smart operator on and off the field but you would hate to mess with his head and inflict more responsibility on him after
he went through a down period and we now have him back where we want him.
Jones...food for thought...for a bloke who has been a haphazard footballer he is quite grounded off the field and dare I say it a bit smarter than he looks...
In other words, swap Gibbons for Fisher and work to both their strengths!!! (Maybe I should be a line coach, because that was hard to work out!!)
Gibbons is an awful kick, it's his biggest weakness.
Gibbons kicked at VFL level like Dow is currently kicking at AFL level, and it doesn't get any easier! I've seen him on the fast break entering F50 almost unattended by AFL standards, in miles of free space, miss the points by 10m! I've watched him stream into F50 get only 30m on the run and not make the distance!
I'll help Teague out.....play Zac Fisher as the small pressure forward, can kick goals, tackles well and has been getting a bit of attention in the midfield from taggers anyway so
it might help his game and the team if we start him deep forward and see what happens.
We have plenty of mid options to cover him and we need goals to win games......lets try and be proactive rather than reactive for a change.
I reckon you are spot on there EB.
Fisher could be a gun small forward. Give him a go.
I reckon you are spot on there EB.
Fisher could be a gun small forward. Give him a go.
So it's a war between Teague and Barker who lands the Fish?
PS; Does the 2019 version of Fish have a right side?
One out of the box, how about playing the talented young HBs we have a plenty off the HBF, and put Simmo inside F50? Before the recent form of Jones and Weitering it probably wasn't an option, but I think it is now and Simmo will spot up team-mates and not panic.
I reckon you are spot on there EB.
Fisher could be a gun small forward. Give him a go.
I agree. The problem is he could also be a gun outside mid. So it's another of those robbing Peter to pay me scenarios.
I agree. The problem is he could also be a gun outside mid. So it's another of those robbing Peter to pay me scenarios.
Yep. We need to fix that MF asap and Fisher is important to that end.
I agree. The problem is he could also be a gun outside mid. So it's another of those robbing Peter to pay me scenarios.
If you were pocketing the profit PaulP I'd be happy to pay it, but I fear the lot grabbing the loot will only waste it!
can we play ED as the player he is a TAGGER and nothing else and can we add some quick players against footscray
can we play ED as the player he is a TAGGER and nothing else and can we add some quick players against footscray
Luke Hodge was saying last week that the tagger is dead.
I agree ED cant do much else, but perhaps there is a reason why we arent using him to tag.
Interesting isn't it:
1.Gibbons - played out of (best) position
2. Garlett - played out of (best) position
3. Ed C - played out of (best) position
4. Charlie C - played out of (best) position (arguably) - what is his best position?
5. Murph - what is his best position (these days)?
Again, perhaps too much is being over thought?
Luke Hodge was saying last week that the tagger is dead.
I agree ED cant do much else, but perhaps there is a reason why we arent using him to tag.
Not quite dead Thry - a couple of coaches are persisting with a tagger. Perhaps “terminally ill” would cover the situation.
I thought Ed was one of our better players in the last half when his running ability got him too contests and into space when many players on both teams were flagging. At this stage I’m quite happy to see Ed split his time between the midfield and forward line.
If you were pocketing the profit PaulP I'd be happy to pay it, but I fear the lot grabbing the loot will only waste it!
That'll be $1000 thanks. Delivered to my letter box, clean, unmarked bills, in (what else) a brown paper bag, the official packaging of the CFC.
I think we're all pretty aware that you don't have to be off your game by much at this level to lose.
I suspect our first win this year will come when a team looks at our ladder position and doesn't take account of the fact we've been in games for long periods.
Opposition coaches will no doubt be careful to emphasise the dangers in these games.
I know many folk hate the term....but this is a 'danger game' for the Bulldogs.
I think we're all pretty aware that you don't have to be off your game by much at this level to lose.
I suspect our first win this year will come when a team looks at our ladder position and doesn't take account of the fact we've been in games for long periods.
Opposition coaches will no doubt be careful to emphasise the dangers in these games.
I know many folk hate the term....but this is a 'danger game' for the Bulldogs.
Yes, many are saying it's a very even competition.
The boys on Pick A Winner both predicting a Doggies win, but saying CFC have really improved.
For some reason I cannot explain, I have a feeling there is going to be a very different feel about the Blues this week. Last week's horror may actually be the pinpoint time we will all remember that this side started to come of age.
Fingers crossed.....
For some reason I cannot explain, I have a feeling there is going to be a very different feel about the Blues this week. Last week's horror may actually be the pinpoint time we will all remember that this side started to come of age.
Fingers crossed.....
Gee I really hope so! Last week was diabolical!
Interesting isn't it:
1.Gibbons - played out of (best) position
2. Garlett - played out of (best) position
3. Ed C - played out of (best) position
4. Charlie C - played out of (best) position (arguably) - what is his best position?
5. Murph - what is his best position (these days)?
Again, perhaps too much is being over thought?
I don't think you're 'over thinking' there at all, 77. Very important observations.
Charlie - on-ball or high leading forward... up to the wings etc.
Murph - small forward.
Doesn't BB preach playing people to their strengths?
The longer this week has gone and the more commentary I have heard about us (and there has been a heap), I feel that the general consensus is that we are not as bad as we might think we are and that with a few minor tweaks, the inclusion of a couple of key players and an ounce of luck, things could turn quite quickly. Not necessarily to push for top 8, but to show the improvement that we are all looking for
No more close finishes, us by 17 points.
For some reason I cannot explain, I have a feeling there is going to be a very different feel about the Blues this week. Last week's horror may actually be the pinpoint time we will all remember that this side started to come of age.
Fingers crossed.....
Funny you should say that.
As I mentioned in a previous post, I actually thought there was a great deal to like about the way we played against the GCS... except for the breathtaking brain fades and skill errors. I really thought we were at least a 5 goal better side, probably more.
IF BB & his fellow coaches can go into this game against the Dishlickers, not hoping for a win but rather anticipating thrashing their opponents then the potential of this group may just click... but they need the reins loosened and to be given permission to be ruthless and have the confidence from the coaching group that they can work out how bludgeon the Doggies themselves.
None of this namby pamby 'we don't set a ceiling'. Bullsh*t, set a clearly defined expectation... a bloody big, impressive win...
The coaching group must instill in these blokes the confidence that they are ready, ready to rip an opponent apart. Feed their ambition, confidence and ruthlessness. From what I saw against the GCS, this lot wants to break loose/free. They play like they're burdened and confused by instructions/theories.
@Baggers
They play like they're nervous Baggers, jittery players make mistakes.
I'll let you in on a secret, Bolton doesnt know this one either, keep it to yourself.
Ready, Gibbons is a midfielder, bet that surprised you?? won two Listons playing as a mid.....You thought he was a small forward and Brendon thinks he is a tall marking target.
I'll let YOU in on a secret. We have no fit small forward types available, so we have to play someone out of position.
Why not let it be the guy who kicked 2 in 2 minutes in his first ever run in an AFL (albeit preseason) match?
I take your point about him being a mid, but he obviously has smarts and has proved he can kick a goal, so that puts him above all other options for that role.
Also, don't lash out at Bolton for players kicking it long to Gibbons. Lash out at the forwards coach for allowing the forwards to give Gibbons the prime position to the approaching mid.
For some reason I cannot explain, I have a feeling there is going to be a very different feel about the Blues this week. Last week's horror may actually be the pinpoint time we will all remember that this side started to come of age.
Fingers crossed.....
I hope you're right Tonyo because I actually feel the opposite. I thought that loss was soul destroying and we would have been better off being belted by 100pts. Whats strange for me is that someone like Nick Riewoldt says we have been in every game and could have won each one of them. Whilst thats probably correct, to me it would be a mighty effort to front up this week and turn it around enough for a win. You never know, its all up to the players as Cripps said today.
If Gibbons is a natural at getting to the right place in the F50 to jag a mark, then surely one of the talls can just shadow him and get to the right place and mark it instead.
I'll let YOU in on a secret. We have no fit small forward types available, so we have to play someone out of position.
Why not let it be the guy who kicked 2 in 2 minutes in his first ever run in an AFL (albeit preseason) match?
I take your point about him being a mid, but he obviously has smarts and has proved he can kick a goal, so that puts him above all other options for that role.
Also, don't lash out at Bolton for players kicking it long to Gibbons. Lash out at the forwards coach for allowing the forwards to give Gibbons the prime position to the approaching mid.
Garlett is fit, Polsen is fit, Fisher and SPS have both played small forward at times.......Gibbons has been tried in 4 games in that position and failed to kick a goal....thats enough sample size to show its hasnt worked....even Ed Curnow who has minimal forward nous has been more effective.
Our midfield hasnt been that great either....Cripps aside its been the newbie Walsh who has been our next best mid...SPS has used it better than most but isnt a big ball winner.
Plenty of evidence for Gibbons to be tried in his preferred position......if you watched him play in the VFL you would have seen Gibbons kicked goals by drifting down forward while playing as a midfielder but not as a permanent forward.
After the first forward thrust went to Gibbons the message should have gone out about where to kick the ball and where not to kick the ball, sure Teague is the forward coach but Bolton is meant to be coaching the team and has overall responsibility, maybe we have a breakdown in the coaches communication as well as the players or maybe Robert Walls has taken over unofficially...at the end of the day its Bolton officially steering the ship and setting the course....
When you are 3 from 36 and making Mark Neeld look a genius tactically then a gentle lashing is the least of your problems.I guess we can look forward to Bontempelli running around on his own for 100 mins this week too. Oh yeah thats right the excuse is development...about the only thing we have developed is a losing mentality unfortunately.
Gibbons ran 17km in one of our games.
That is why he's been getting a lot more of the ball than Polson, etc. He's got a midfielder's tank which he's using to pretty good effect. The goals will come. He kicked 3 in a JLT game.
He probably misses Cunningham - if I remember correctly he fed 2 of Gibbo's goals to him.
Gibbons ran 17km in one of our games.
That is why he's been getting a lot more of the ball than Polson, etc. He's got a midfielder's tank which he's using to pretty good effect. The goals will come. He kicked 3 in a JLT game.
He probably misses Cunningham - if I remember correctly he fed 2 of Gibbo's goals to him.
Fair point..small forwards can hunt in pairs ie Eddie/Cameron from the crows...no Cameron now and Eddie is less effective..
Teague is the forward coach. I would have thought he would have more control over the way the forwards are playing.
I don't think BB is solely responsible for the way the team is playing.
I dont think that leading or having a high work rate is natural for McKay. My biggest knock on him when he was not getting picked was work rate, or lack thereof.
Maybe he just needs time to learn how to run patterns and work smarter.
With 3 taller options down forward, at least one of them should be in the vicinity of the goal square whenever we move forward, ready to lead out.
@Baggers
They play like they're nervous Baggers, jittery players make mistakes.
Exactly. And that's a symptom of not knowing what to do or having been given excessive information and are just plain confused.
...or been given contradictory information, one thing from the senior coach and another from the forward line coach... and perhaps another again from the midfield coach :o
Fair point..small forwards can hunt in pairs ie Eddie/Cameron from the crows...no Cameron now and Eddie is less effective..
Or it could be chook running, a la Jason Tutt or the old Liam Jones!
On the game;
Lots of people are tipping us to win each week, in a circumstance that is described as an upset victory.
Does that have an effect on our opponents that leads to the post-Carlton loss syndrome? (In that clubs might be inspired by the idea of an upset loss to not lose to Carlton, making every such game a sort of mini-final!)
Gibbons ran 17km in one of our games.
That is why he's been getting a lot more of the ball than Polson, etc. He's got a midfielder's tank which he's using to pretty good effect. The goals will come. He kicked 3 in a JLT game.
He probably misses Cunningham - if I remember correctly he fed 2 of Gibbo's goals to him.
And he’s not playing exclusively as a forward.
I thought he played his best game last week and I would like to see him get more time in the midfield. I think that his effectiveness will improve as his teammates adjust to his kicking limitations.
And he’s not playing exclusively as a forward.
I thought he played his best game last week and I would like to see him get more time in the midfield. I think that his effectiveness will improve as his teammates adjust to his kicking limitations.
Particularly in last quarters where our whole midfield grinds to a halt (in every game ever) we should be utilising his running ability better.
Walsh is an incredible runner. He puts his teammates to shame the way he runs out last quarters.
Particularly in last quarters where our whole midfield grinds to a halt (in every game ever) we should be utilising his running ability better.
Especially when playing 4 tall forwards ::)
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Walsh is an incredible runner. He puts his teammates to shame the way he runs out last quarters.
Young Sammy is an incredible everything. It's almost unfair comparing other players to him. He has arms, legs, a body, a head, and a navy blue jumper, but he's clearly from another world.
Knowing our luck, some turd like a Lonergan or a Hodge will try and injure him.
So we've fixed whatever we did to Weitering, and as yet we haven't broken Walsh, that leaves at least 20 to go!
In: Matthew Kreuzer, Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kennedy, Angus Schumacher
Out: Setterfield (susp)
Bench from:
Dale Thomas
Matthew Kreuzer
Cameron Polson
Jack Silvagni
Levi Casboult
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Kennedy
Angus Schumacher
FM, the teacher's pet in named on the bench. Haven't we learned? I hope the final 4 are, Thomas, Kreuzer, Silvagni and Kennedy.
In: Matthew Kreuzer, Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kennedy, Angus Schumacher
Out: Setterfield (susp)
Bench from:
Dale Thomas
Matthew Kreuzer
Cameron Polson
Jack Silvagni
Levi Casboult
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Kennedy
Angus Schumacher
FM, the teacher's pet in named on the bench. Haven't we learned? I hope the final 4 are, Thomas, Kreuzer, Silvagni and Kennedy.
x100.
In: Matthew Kreuzer, Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kennedy, Angus Schumacher
Out: Setterfield (susp)
Bench from:
Dale Thomas
Matthew Kreuzer
Cameron Polson
Jack Silvagni
Levi Casboult
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Kennedy
Angus Schumacher
FM, the teacher's pet in named on the bench. Haven't we learned? I hope the final 4 are, Thomas, Kreuzer, Silvagni and Kennedy.
Kreuzer the only ruck (dont say H is the other)?
Who is the Doggies second ruck?
English #1, then....? Don't know a few of the guys on the I/C....
ROUND 5 SQUAD
B: Bailey Williams, Zaine Cordy, Hayden Crozier
HB: Caleb Daniel, Easton Wood, Ed Richards
C: Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Jason Johannisen
HF: Billy Gowers, Josh Dunkley, Mitch Wallis
F: Toby McLean, Aaron Naughton, Tory Dickson
Foll: Tim English, Marcus Bontempelli, Jack Macrae
Interchange (from): Bailey Smith, Jackson Trengove, Sam Lloyd, Pat Lipinski, Will Hayes, Roarke Smith, Lachie Young, Lin Jong
Good point flyboy. Only need 1 ruck this week.
Good point flyboy. Only need 1 ruck this week.
If we had one reliable ruck that would be an improvement.
Until then we should be playing two.
Kreuzer should have it all over English smarts wise.....
Kreuzer should have it all over English smarts wise.....
I'd say they will play Trengove and look to pick up the advantage MK will have in the tapouts around the ground, the former will also be handy for their
smallish defense.
Polson may play on Caleb Daniel who has proven to be a ongoing nuisance everytime we play the Bulldogs...
If we had one reliable ruck that would be an improvement.
Until then we should be playing two.
We have 3 tall forwards, no chance we can play 2 rucks. 2 rucks has never worked for us anyway.
In: Matthew Kreuzer, Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kennedy, Angus Schumacher
Out: Setterfield (susp)
Bench from:
Dale Thomas
Matthew Kreuzer
Cameron Polson
Jack Silvagni
Levi Casboult
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Kennedy
Angus Schumacher
FM, the teacher's pet in named on the bench. Haven't we learned? I hope the final 4 are, Thomas, Kreuzer, Silvagni and Kennedy.
Thomas, Kreuser, Silvagni, and Kennedy for me too.
Polson is likely to get a gig before Kennedy though. He has played a bit more football this year so far.
after all the cr@p that Bam has copped this week though, he should be raring to go .
We have 3 tall forwards, no chance we can play 2 rucks. 2 rucks has never worked for us anyway.
Ones there as insurance for the inevitable breakdowns. That way we'll actually have a ruck for 4 quarters.
We have 3 tall forwards, no chance we can play 2 rucks. 2 rucks has never worked for us anyway.
You saw last weeks game yeah?
Lobbe, Casboult, McKay, Curnow, McGovern all played last week.
I agree its not ideal, but to say its no chance is either is rather ignorant.
In: Matthew Kreuzer, Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kennedy, Angus Schumacher
Out: Setterfield (susp)
Bench from:
Dale Thomas
Matthew Kreuzer
Cameron Polson
Jack Silvagni
Levi Casboult
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Kennedy
Angus Schumacher
FM, the teacher's pet in named on the bench. Haven't we learned? I hope the final 4 are, Thomas, Kreuzer, Silvagni and Kennedy.
We have to name 4 'emergencies' on the bench. Not many fit players to choose from that are not named on the bench.
Garlett is fit, Polsen is fit, Fisher and SPS have both played small forward at times.......Gibbons has been tried in 4 games in that position and failed to kick a goal....thats enough sample size to show its hasnt worked....even Ed Curnow who has minimal forward nous has been more effective.
Our midfield hasnt been that great either....Cripps aside its been the newbie Walsh who has been our next best mid...SPS has used it better than most but isnt a big ball winner.
Garlett is preferred back/wing.
Fisher is prefered in the middle resting forward.
SPS is having his best season to date playing middle.
Polson is fit, but lacking in confidence somewhat and is a defensive forward/mid by comparison.
Again, i'm not saying Gibbons shouldn't be tried int he middle, i'm just saying that each team sheet that has existed since the beginning of time has 2 spots with 'FP' included on them, and we are struggling to find players to fit there. Someone has to get the short straw and Gibbons has shown more in that position than anyone else who is fit currently.
If/When cuningham comes back, maybe Gibbo gets more mid minutes. We'll have to wait and see.
You saw last weeks game yeah?
Lobbe, Casboult, McKay, Curnow, McGovern all played last week.
I agree its not ideal, but to say its no chance is either is rather ignorant.
I was making the assumption that we might've learned....lol.
Maybe I assume too much. Soon find out in a couple of hours.
We have 3 tall forwards, no chance we can play 2 rucks. 2 rucks has never worked for us anyway.
Based on what, were are the stats to support your claim?
Based on what, were are the stats to support your claim?
You're kiddkng aren't you. Been through it 1000 times. You know it's failed us time and again.
Jog on.
Carlton - Kreuzer, Polson, Silvagni in for Casboult, Lobbe, Setterfield (suspension).
Carlton - Kreuzer, Polson, Silvagni in for Casboult, Lobbe, Setterfield (suspension).
Would've chosen Kennedy over Polson personally, but this would've been my next best option.
Would've chosen Kennedy over Polson personally, but this would've been my next best option.
Poulson obviously has a specific role.
Poulson obviously has a specific role.
I'll say Caleb Daniel...
Thomas, Kreuser, Silvagni, and Kennedy for me too.
Polson is likely to get a gig before Kennedy though. He has played a bit more football this year so far.
after all the cr@p that Bam has copped this week though, he should be raring to go .
Well picked.
Teacher's pet vs bloke in the shizen for the Folou debacle... ;) (kidding). One hasn't played yet and the other has taken the field but not played... ;D
Based on the named teams we’re going to have a big size advantage in our forward line.
Whether we can get the ball there to their advantage is another matter.
Poulson obviously has a specific role.
I wish it was for the NBs. Anyway, hopefully he surprises us and turns the corner...
Heard Juddy on the radio earlier today, he said:
- expects SOJ to play this round for Setterfield
- SOJ developing into inside mid - fwd role. His advantage being bigger size with high footy smarts
- expects BB to be a long term coach (Yes for CFC)
- Not surprised by W-L at this stage. After few games together our boys will score wins in coming wks.
Other commentators were having a lend of Juddys quick wit.
Caro evidently asked him a stupid "can you guarantee...."
Juddy replied "there's only one certainty in life, and that's who your mother is" ????
Heard Juddy on the radio earlier today, he said:
- expects SOJ to play this round for Setterfield
- SOJ developing into inside mid - fwd role. His advantage being bigger size with high footy smarts
- expects BB to be a long term coach (Yes for CFC)
- Not surprised by W-L at this stage. After few games together our boys will score wins in coming wks.
Other commentators were having a lend of Juddys quick wit.
Caro evidently asked him a stupid "can you guarantee...."
Juddy replied "there's only one certainty in life, and that's who your mother is" ????
Thanks LN. They'll have to wake up pretty early in the morning to catch Judd napping.
Heard Juddy on the radio earlier today, he said:
- expects SOJ to play this round for Setterfield
- SOJ developing into inside mid - fwd role. His advantage being bigger size with high footy smarts
- expects BB to be a long term coach (Yes for CFC)
- Not surprised by W-L at this stage. After few games together our boys will score wins in coming wks.
Other commentators were having a lend of Juddys quick wit.
Caro evidently asked him a stupid "can you guarantee...."
Juddy replied "there's only one certainty in life, and that's who your mother is" ????
Well rehearsed is Juddy. Said just about, word for word, the same stuff on FC Monday night. Though there is one difference, he said on Monday night that everyone was hurting at our poor start... now he's saying that they're 'not surprised' at our start. I still think Juddy should pursue a career as a merchant banker. ;)
As for the 'expects' BB to be the long term coach, well, to me 'expect' is meaningless and easy to explain away if BB gets the heave-ho at year's end. Not hard to say, "Yes, he'll be the senior coach next year and into the foreseeable future. We have complete confidence in BB and the direction he's taking the club."
Caro was stirring with her 'guarantee' crack, I thought... she knows how to push his buttons, makes for amusing TV at times. So easy to get Juddy to arc up.
Sounds to me like BB has Juddy and the Board's full backing... :o ;)
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-include-matthew-kreuzer-and-jack-silvagni-for-must-win-clash-20190419-p51fpi.html
Polson again, oh mein gott!
CARLTON
B: Nic Newman, Liam Jones, Lachie Plowman
HB: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Caleb Marchbank
C: Lochie O'Brien, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: Michael Gibbons, Charlie Curnow, Ed Curnow
F: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Mitch McGovern, Marc Murphy
R: Harry McKay, Paddy Dow, Zac Fisher
Int: Dale Thomas, Matthew Kreuzer, Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni
EMG: Levi Casboult, Matthew Lobbe, Matthew Kennedy, Angus Schumacher
IN: Matthew Kreuzer, Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni
OUT: Matthew Lobbe (Omitted), Will Setterfield (Suspension), Levi Casboult (Omitted)
O'Brien and Polson are lucky to be there. Kennedy is unlucky to be just Emergency. Charlie is nowhere near his best.
I really don't like our ruck structure. Kreuzer has to shoulder it all when he didn't even play the whole game last week. I really think that is silly.
Nichevo: I do not select the team. :(
WESTERN BULLDOGS
B: Bailey Williams, Zaine Cordy, Hayden Crozier
HB: Caleb Daniel, Easton Wood, Ed Richards
C: Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Jason Johannisen
HF: Billy Gowers, Josh Dunkley, Mitch Wallis
F: Toby McLean, Aaron Naughton, Tory Dickson
R: Tim English, Marcus Bontempelli, Jack Macrae
Int: Bailey Smith, Sam Lloyd, Will Hayes, Lachie Young
EMG: Jackson Trengove, Patrick Lipinski, Roarke Smith, Lin Jong
IN: Bailey Williams, Will Hayes, Lachie Young
OUT: Josh Schache (Omitted), Taylor Duryea (Injured), Matthew Suckling (Injured)
NEW: Will Hayes, Lachie Young
CARLTON
B: Nic Newman, Liam Jones, Lachie Plowman
HB: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Caleb Marchbank
C: Lochie O'Brien, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: Michael Gibbons, Charlie Curnow, Ed Curnow
F: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Mitch McGovern, Marc Murphy
R: Harry McKay, Paddy Dow, Zac Fisher
Int: Dale Thomas, Matthew Kreuzer, Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni
EMG: Levi Casboult, Matthew Lobbe, Matthew Kennedy, Angus Schumacher
IN: Matthew Kreuzer, Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni
OUT: Matthew Lobbe (Omitted), Will Setterfield (Suspension), Levi Casboult (Omitted)
O'Brien and Polson are lucky to be there. Kennedy is unlucky to be just Emergency. Charlie is nowhere near his best.
I really don't like our ruck structure. Kreuzer has to shoulder it all when he didn't even play the whole game last week. I really think that is silly.
Nichevo: I do not select the team. :(
WESTERN BULLDOGS
B: Bailey Williams, Zaine Cordy, Hayden Crozier
HB: Caleb Daniel, Easton Wood, Ed Richards
C: Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Jason Johannisen
HF: Billy Gowers, Josh Dunkley, Mitch Wallis
F: Toby McLean, Aaron Naughton, Tory Dickson
R: Tim English, Marcus Bontempelli, Jack Macrae
Int: Bailey Smith, Sam Lloyd, Will Hayes, Lachie Young
EMG: Jackson Trengove, Patrick Lipinski, Roarke Smith, Lin Jong
IN: Bailey Williams, Will Hayes, Lachie Young
OUT: Josh Schache (Omitted), Taylor Duryea (Injured), Matthew Suckling (Injured)
NEW: Will Hayes, Lachie Young
May as well get kreuzer fit in the afl rather than vfl.
We are worried about him breaking down, so getting through 4 quarters is more important than anything else at this stage.
You're kiddkng aren't you. Been through it 1000 times. You know it's failed us time and again.
Jog on.
You've probably made the assertion 1000 times, but as far as I can tell you have never offered a gnat's nad of support for your hypothesis!
I've seen nothing, nada, just a spurious claim repeated frequently and unsupported by facts.
So can you tell us, who are your two AFL rucks that played together for Carlton unsuccessfully, how many games did they play together, and what was the win / loss ratio over that time?
Charlie is nowhere near his best.
Charlie was quiet against Richmond, got injured against PA, missed only 1 game when 2-3 were predicted (maybe back a bit sore) then had 17 possessions, 9 marks, laid 4 tackles and kicked a goal in a match where delivery to our forwards was a poor as I’ve seen.
Coaches and match committee need to work out the McGovern, McKay, Curnow forward set up ASAP so that they all become contributors ‘playing their role’ rather than worrying about getting in each other’s way. But then again, I thought that was what preseason was for.......
Charlie was quiet against Richmond, got injured against PA, missed only 1 game when 2-3 were predicted (maybe back a bit sore) then had 17 possessions, 9 marks, laid 4 tackles and kicked a goal in a match where delivery to our forwards was a poor as I’ve seen.
Coaches and match committee need to work out the McGovern, McKay, Curnow forward set up ASAP so that they all become contributors ‘playing their role’ rather than worrying about getting in each other’s way. But then again, I thought that was what preseason was for.......
Not bad for a bloke who is below his best! I think that a major difference from last season is that he’s not impacting the scoreboard - perhaps because he’s spending more time up the ground. I don’t mind that, provided his inside 50s are effective and end up in the hands of Harry and the Gov.
I suspect that all coaches would prefer more practice matches to sort out plays, running patterns and cohesion. We probably need more than most teams with our significant list changes.
Schumacher and Casboult not fronting up for the NBs. Don’t normally take 2 emergencies into a local game.
Schumacher and Casboult not fronting up for the NBs. Don’t normally take 2 emergencies into a local game.
That suggests to me that Kreuzer hasn't come up, and Schumacher is the new emergency.
Or there are question marks over Kreuzer AND someone else.
You'd think Walsh would be the smart out, surely they won't make him play on through a corked hip in his 4th game? :o
Maybe Schumacher is in response to the small Dogs forward line.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-04-20/bolts-previews-inclusions-dogs
That suggests to me that Kreuzer hasn't come up, and Schumacher is the new emergency.
Or there are question marks over Kreuzer AND someone else.
Better yet, if you were Andrew Phillips you'd be pretty miffed at missing two games with a Corked hip and then banished to the vfl.
Better yet, if you were Andrew Phillips you'd be pretty miffed at missing two games with a Corked hip and then banished to the vfl.
Except Phillip's direct opponents were BoG, or at least in the running for BoG, in both his games.
So cynically perhaps it was an opportunistic injury! :o
Whisper around Vic Park. C Curnow out, knee soreness, L Casbolt in. Hence the two emergencies....
Whisper around Vic Park. C Curnow out, knee soreness, L Casbolt in. Hence the two emergencies....
Yeah, heard that earlier in the week, an excuse for his last game?
In a word.... Faaaaaaaaaaark
In a word.... Faaaaaaaaaaark
Yep Levi doesnt install a lot of confidence and I was hoping they would play Charlie on a wing so he could
unclog the forward line and give us a target to kick to further up the ground.
Still think we are a good chance just on the basis we are overdue for a win but this doesnt help if its true.
Levi hasn't set the world on fire yet this year, but none of our forwards have. We really need them to start working together and opening up space for each other.
Yeah, heard that earlier in the week, an excuse for his last game?
Brought him back too soon in the hope he'd help deliver BB his first win?
I reckon we'll win this game by heaps, 10gls plus. I base this on some assumptions:
Someone at the club put BB, midfield coaching and forward line coaching in a room together and bellowed at them to sort out their cr@p and that they're not leaving the room until they're all on the same page (how can you have cohesion on the field if it aint in the coaching group!).
That as a result of BB, midfield coaching and forward line coaching 'connecting' that this will be communicated effectively (succinctly!!!) to the players, confusion eliminated giving cohesion a chance to grow.
That the playing group will be permitted more freedom/responsibility/trust and will be less encumbered by excessive instructions.
That anger at losing will be at breaking point and a ruthless determination will sweep through the players, to not only win but belt the shizen out of their opponents.
I reckon we'll win this game by heaps, 10gls plus. I base this on some assumptions:
Someone at the club put BB, midfield coaching and forward line coaching in a room together and bellowed at them to sort out their cr@p and that they're not leaving the room until they're all on the same page (how can you have cohesion on the field if it aint in the coaching group!).
That as a result of BB, midfield coaching and forward line coaching 'connecting' that this will be communicated effectively (succinctly!!!) to the players, confusion eliminated giving cohesion a chance to grow.
That the playing group will be permitted more freedom/responsibility/trust and will be less encumbered by excessive instructions.
That anger at losing will be at breaking point and a ruthless determination will sweep through the players, to not only win but belt the shizen out of their opponents.
I love the optimism bangers, but the realist in me says they wont fix cohesion issues in one week. We'll connect better and score a few until the pressure goes up, and then we'll revert to the long bomb.
We have one saving grace. Levi likes playing against the doggies.
We have one saving grace. Levi likes playing against the doggies.
Levi looks broken in 2019, of all the criticisms I have about his play I've never seen him look like he is disinterested, but he looks disinterested this season. Perhaps Levi sees the writing on the wall, a smart coaching panel would take the pressure off him by setting him loose to play freely!
On SoJ he has a long way to go learning the inside mid game, it's still early days, but how he fairs against the fast moving fast ball moving Dogs will be a massive tell! Setterfield being injured has almost brought this to a head prematurely, it feels like a line in the sand moment for SoJ. That's Pre-Game Pressure right there!
Finally, on BB. Our selection week in and week out looks formulaic. It's pretty ordinary like we have one plan and we are going to repeat it until someone is proven right. The reason I say this is that our MC looks bound by like for like selection changes, that suggests we have no Plan B!
Late change confirmed. Charlie curnow out Levi in.
Draw your own conclusions.
Late change confirmed. Charlie curnow out Levi in.
Draw your own conclusions.
There we go like for like, that's my conclusion and it's fairly damning especially since they had four days to get sorted on a innovative plan!
Whisper around Vic Park. C Curnow out, knee soreness, L Casbolt in. Hence the two emergencies....
So we rushed him back when he wasn't ready.
There we go like for like, that's my conclusion and it's fairly damning especially since they had four days to get sorted on a innovative plan!
I was talking more about Charlie copping a 3 week injury, missing one week, playing at gold coast, only to miss another week.
Imho casboult was always going to play going with kreuzer in the ruck after a managed vfl game.
The clubs usual injury shenanigans continue.
I was talking more about Charlie copping a 3 week injury, missing one week, playing at gold coast, only to miss another week.
Imho casboult was always going to play going with kreuzer in the ruck after a managed vfl game.
The clubs usual injury shenanigans continue.
That's obvious, but it's not relevant to my post which is discussing a different issue altogether.
We'll select an out of form player to fill a predetermined formulaic game plan rather than pick someone who is in form to try something different! What's the bet we see McKay rucking at some stage today?
I've even heard some spin coming from somewhere that Levi's s best games come against the Dogs, except in his top rated 30 games there isn't one against the Dogs, and he hasn't played that many good games worth counting down to number 31!
FFS, if our club is that predictable to us, how is it supposed to get the better of a professional opponent?
Curnow officially out. Casboult in. Thought Jack Russell would put his foot down with this bringing players back early crap.
Curnow officially out. Casboult in. Thought Jack Russell would put his foot down with this bringing players back early crap.
The way Charlie has been playing, not going to make one iota of difference. Should come through the reserves when ready, rid his belly of the bathwater he has been drinking.
Bevos Boofheadds by 3-5 goal.
So we rushed him back when he wasn't ready.
That's my take on it, too.
Curnow officially out. Casboult in. Thought Jack Russell would put his foot down with this bringing players back early crap.
Supposedly had a knock during training. If you believe thst
I love the optimism bangers, but the realist in me says they wont fix cohesion issues in one week. We'll connect better and score a few until the pressure goes up, and then we'll revert to the long bomb.
We have one saving grace. Levi likes playing against the doggies.
They've had a lot longer than a week to work on cohesion, 3 Leos old son. :(
Supposedly had a knock during training. If you believe thst
We have an excellent BS machine at PP, the envy of many organisations.
Supposedly had a knock during training. If you believe thst
Yeh and it was the Easter Bunny who left those eggs at your place today.
They've had a lot longer than a week to work on cohesion, 3 Leos old son. :(
It really shouldn’t be hard for a reasonably smart player to figure out
Everyone wants to look for the conspiracy in charlies omission. ...and they may well be right. But you know what, sometimes players just get unlucky and cop a knock at training.
Just saying.
Everyone wants to look for the conspiracy in charlies omission. ...and they may well be right. But you know what, sometimes players just get unlucky and cop a knock at training.
Just saying.
We have form. Folks just joining big, bold, obvious dots.
I have a bridge you might be interested in... ;) ;D
We have form. Folks just joining big, bold, obvious dots.
I have a bridge you might be interested in... ;) ;D
+1
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.