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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
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Quote from: Professer E on
Ollie did ok in the first half vs the dees the week prior though

Yep, when we were in charge of the game... but when the pressure came, our system was countered, he (and some others), wilted, failed to step up, failed when the need arrived to grit teeth and dig deep and get back to basics, especially sticking tackles and hurting for your team mate.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
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................. or a VFL unknown player I have warmed to Boyd and think he is in our best 22/23 and happy to give Austin a tick for his recruiting.
In fairness to Boyd he wasn't really an unknown, it was quite a surprise for some that he had slipped in the pecking order to become a MSD candidate, they had expected him to be picked up in the draft proper but for reasons we will never know clubs let him slide.

I suppose at the time he first nominated he was playing as a Wing / HFF, in the link man type role, and it was only his last season of VFL that he has settled into defence.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
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Quote from: Baggers on
Criticism of Ollie is not about his tireless effort. He runs and runs and runs... but not enough comes from all that effort. Acres runs and runs all day as well, with considerable impact in games.

Ollie needs, like many others, to commit his body to tackling, his tackling efforts have been and are a liability... easily broken. The only reason I recommend dropping Ollie to the Magoos is so he can learn to add other strings to his bow.
The problem that Ollie and others like him have is the focus on weaknesses that the AFL brings, if you hesitate opponents see it and forever more know, they know where to stand and what to say to put doubts in your head, it's the sporting equivalent of a game of chicken and they know you've blinked before.

All AFL players have to continually improve their shortcomings, expect every opponent to know them, and if there is no improvement expect those deficits to be amplified week in week out.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
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Quote from: kruddler on
This.

I feel the same way and my issues with him initially was that he folded under pressure and his kicking suffered.

As you mention, it's still a bit of a worry, but he has improved a lot in this area.

If we had someone else capable of negating small forwards, I'd be keen to get him further up the ground and help our connection between mids and forwards and also between forwards and the big sticks.

Yep. He'd be deadly with space and ball in hand around the middle and high half forward... even high half back.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast
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Quote from: kruddler on
For a team that has consistently lacked run and effort lately, i'm not sure why people feel the need to drop Ollie Hollands.

He gives 100%, 100% of the time. He is not the problem.

If we start dropping people based on output, how far down our team do we get before we get to Ollie Hollands.....and how far down are VFL team to do we get before we find a replacement.
I'll save the effort. There is nothing better below. Ollie stays.


Criticism of Ollie is not about his tireless effort. He runs and runs and runs... but not enough comes from all that effort. Acres runs and runs all day as well, with considerable impact in games.

Ollie needs, like many others, to commit his body to tackling, his tackling efforts have been and are a liability... easily broken. The only reason I recommend dropping Ollie to the Magoos is so he can learn to add other strings to his bow.

I understand the sentimentality of giving senior games to such a terrific kid with considerable running ability... but with cold objectivity it's obvious he needs a chance to develop more confidence in other areas of his game as he just isn't delivering hurt to the opposition with his disposals.