11am Ikon Park. It’s actually down as an unofficial match sim (4x25min quarters). The official practice match is on the following Friday v Sydney at 7.10pm at Blacktown.
Though it’s an unofficial match sim, it will be broadcast on FoxFooty and KAYO. I’ve checked it out and it seems to be live on FoxFooty (while the North v Richmond match sim which starts before ours will be replayed after ours finishes).
Like our match sim, Sydney v Brisbane will be 4x25mins, no extra time. Every other match sim will have 6 “quarters” with Geelong v Hawthorn having 8x28 plus time on. It seems we’re not so interested in giving our seconds & VFL players a hit out (or maybe we’re going to be resting a lot of our 1st 22).
11am Ikon Park. It’s actually down as an unofficial match sim (4x25min quarters). The official practice match is on the following Friday v Sydney at 7.10pm at Blacktown.
Though it’s an unofficial match sim, it will be broadcast on FoxFooty and KAYO. I’ve checked it out and it seems to be live on FoxFooty (while the North v Richmond match sim which starts before ours will be replayed after ours finishes).
Like our match sim, Sydney v Brisbane will be 4x25mins, no extra time. Every other match sim will have 6 “quarters” with Geelong v Hawthorn having 8x28 plus time on. It seems we’re not so interested in giving our seconds & VFL players a hit out (or maybe we’re going to be resting a lot of our 1st 22).
We are playing VFL and VFLW intraclub practice matches straight after the AFL game, I gather that is why we don't have 6ths.
Sorry I wasn't up to speed, it seems that plan has been scratched.
11am ? Thats kinda sad hope there is a replay,
11am ? Thats kinda sad hope there is a replay,
It's a dancing with your sister game, hopefully the replay is just a Kayo Mini!
We are playing VFL and VFLW intraclub practice matches straight after the AFL game, I gather that is why we don't have 6ths.
Sorry I wasn't up to speed, it seems that plan has been scratched.
Cancelled due to the heat?
11am ? Thats kinda sad hope there is a replay,
I've shuffled my schedule around to accommodate feet up at 11am. :D
I thought Dancing with Your Sister games were intraclub matches. But even then, sibling rivalry would heat up and see Santy kick Cloke up the clacker. Surely, playing against the Pies takes it out of that category, especially since the last game we played ended with Collingwood coming from behind to win by a point and throw us out of the finals.
On FoxFooty, it will be relayed at 4pm IIRC and you can IQ it or stream it anyway. Don’t know about KAYO though.
I thought Dancing with Your Sister games were intraclub matches. But even then, sibling rivalry would heat up and see Santy kick Cloke up the clacker. Surely, playing against the Pies takes it out of that category, especially since the last game we played ended with Collingwood coming from behind to win by a point and throw us out of the finals.
On FoxFooty, it will be relayed at 4pm IIRC and you can IQ it or stream it anyway. Don’t know about KAYO though.
Kayo takes the foxfooty feeds. Can watch it live, or watch the replay whenever you feel the need. No need to IQ it.
Kayo allows you to watch anything whenever you want. Just won't allow you to keep it indefinitely as everything has an expiration date.
That'll be 8.00am over here.....perfect....feet up over breakfast watching the footy!!! Working from home DOES have advantages.
I thought Dancing with Your Sister games were intraclub matches. But even then, sibling rivalry would heat up and see Santy kick Cloke up the clacker. Surely, playing against the Pies takes it out of that category, especially since the last game we played ended with Collingwood coming from behind to win by a point and throw us out of the finals.
On FoxFooty, it will be relayed at 4pm IIRC and you can IQ it or stream it anyway. Don’t know about KAYO though.
That image sprang to mind when I was reading through the discussion of practice matches.
The boot up the date followed a fairly hefty hit to the head and Setanta must have been just a tad p1ssed off with Cloke.
When I watched a recent match sim, I noticed Crippa deliver a very late bump to an unsuspecting Chugga. Chugga went after Cripps and bumped him. At the next break in play, they gave each other a fist bump and moved on. That’s what you want to see in an intra-club situation, and that’s why they don’t fully replicate a match against genuine opposition … unless you’re Setanta 🙂
Cancelled due to the heat?
Maybe, but they have now scheduled full practice matches for both VFL and VFLW anyway, so it's not like they are going to be short of game time.
Anyway, given our parlous injury state as it is currently published, we might struggle to field a VFL team on the same day as the AFL! :o
We are playing VFL and VFLW intraclub practice matches straight after the AFL game, I gather that is why we don't have 6ths.
Sorry I wasn't up to speed, it seems that plan has been scratched.
The VFL game is going ahead - several of the players in the AFL squad are going to back up in the VFL game.
The squad is:
1 Jack Silvagni
3 Jesse Motlop
4 Lochie O'Brien*
5 Adam Cerra
7 Matthew Kennedy*
9 Patrick Cripps
10 Harry McKay
12 Tom De Koning
13 Blake Acres
14 Oliver Hollands*
15 Sam Docherty
20 Lachie Plowman*
23 Jacob Weitering
24 Nic Newman
25 Zac Fisher
26 Lachlan Cowan
29 George Hewett
30 Charlie Curnow
33 Lewis Young
35 Ed Curnow
36 Josh Honey*
39 Alex Cincotta*
42 Adam Saad
45 Alex Mirkov*
Asterix (not the Gaul) means playing in both games.
Pitto, Big Durds, Dow and Kemp are just playing in the VFL.
For an insight into who the coaches have as 1's players...
Here is the 17 players playing 1's only
and 7 players playing both (which you'd think makes them fighting for a spot)
FB - Newman - Weitering - Plowman
HB - Saad - Young - Docherty
C - Acres - Cripps - O'Brien
HF - Fisher - C. Curnow - Kennedy
FF - Silvagni - McKay - Motlop
R - De Koning - Cerra - Hewitt
INT - E. Curnow - Cowan - Honey - Hollands - Cincotta - Mirkov
Players not playing in either...
Walsh
McGovern
Marchbank
Martin
Cuningham
Owies
C. Durdin
Fogarty
Boyd
Cottrell
Lemmey
For an insight into who the coaches have as 1's players...
Here is the 17 players playing 1's only
and 7 players playing both (which you'd think makes them fighting for a spot)
FB - Newman - Weitering - Plowman
HB - Saad - Young - Docherty
C - Acres - Cripps - O'Brien
HF - Fisher - C. Curnow - Kennedy
FF - Silvagni - McKay - Motlop
R - De Koning - Cerra - Hewitt
INT - E. Curnow - Cowan - Honey - Hollands - Cincotta - Mirkov
Players not playing in either...
Walsh
McGovern
Marchbank
Martin
Cuningham
Owies
C. Durdin
Fogarty
Boyd
Cottrell
Lemmey
I’m not sure how much you can extrapolate from team selection for an unofficial practice match. Selection in one or both squads may depend more on where players are at with their fitness and training loads than on whether they’re pencilled in for Round 1.
The team selected for the practice match against the Swans should be closer to the mark, but I wouldn’t rule out an unexpected selection or two for Round 1.
A lot will depend on whether “automatic” selections like Martin, MGovern and Pittonet get up.
I’m not sure how much you can extrapolate from team selection for an unofficial practice match. Selection in one or both squads may depend more on where players are at with their fitness and training loads than on whether they’re pencilled in for Round 1.
The team selected for the practice match against the Swans should be closer to the mark, but I wouldn’t rule out an unexpected selection or two for Round 1.
A lot will depend on whether “automatic” selections like Martin, MGovern and Pittonet get up.
FWIW, Pittonet is playing VFL....but is still on the recovery side of things.
Other than that, the 17 selected would probably be best 22 based on the players we have available, so i don't think our side can get much better with what we have at our disposal.
Who is playing VFL that you would have in the 1's at the expense of one of those 17?
FWIW, Pittonet is playing VFL....but is still on the recovery side of things.
Other than that, the 17 selected would probably be best 22 based on the players we have available, so i don't think our side can get much better with what we have at our disposal.
Who is playing VFL that you would have in the 1's at the expense of one of those 17?
Yes, those 17 players would have to be front runners for selection in Round 1 but we still have McGovern, Martin, Marchbank and C Durdin who are all said to be available for selection. If fit, McGovern and Martin will come in, and possibly Marchbank. Then there's Pitto and probably only Kemp and Carroll of the VFL only players. Who goes out? A couple of unlucky players.
So far so good. De Koning looking good. A couple of really good marks.
any ground level pressure in the fwd line would be nice....
Some things don't change. Carlton taking their foot off the gas.
If our tactic this year is high loopy kicks into the fwd line, we are in for a looooooong year kids.
Some things don't change. Carlton taking their foot off the gas.
Yep, although a practice match that looks all too similar... 6 unanswered goals from Rottingwood is just not good enough.
Yep, although a practice match that looks all too similar... 6 unanswered goals from Rottingwood is just not good enough.
Yes, old habits die hard. We got back on top in general play after that but that other old habit of point kicking when behind kicked in.
Half time, that's enough, put away:
Cripps
Charlie
H
Weiters
Doc
Saad
TDK
Cezz
George
Bam Bam
Goal kicking, just can't miss shots 30/40 out in front!
I’m not sure how much you can extrapolate from team selection for an unofficial practice match. Selection in one or both squads may depend more on where players are at with their fitness and training loads than on whether they’re pencilled in for Round 1.
The team selected for the practice match against the Swans should be closer to the mark, but I wouldn’t rule out an unexpected selection or two for Round 1.
A lot will depend on whether “automatic” selections like Martin, MGovern and Pittonet get up.
Kemp not listed anywhere?
For an insight into who the coaches have as 1's players...
Here is the 17 players playing 1's only
and 7 players playing both (which you'd think makes them fighting for a spot)
FB - Newman - Weitering - Plowman
HB - Saad - Young - Docherty
C - Acres - Cripps - O'Brien
HF - Fisher - C. Curnow - Kennedy
FF - Silvagni - McKay - Motlop
R - De Koning - Cerra - Hewitt
INT - E. Curnow - Cowan - Honey - Hollands - Cincotta - Mirkov
Players not playing in either...
Walsh
McGovern
Marchbank
Martin
Cuningham
Owies
C. Durdin
Fogarty
Boyd
Cottrell
Lemmey
Kemp???
Finally a goal after complete dominance and lots of points. Getting it into an open forward line now. Kicking with a decent wind too.
Should be at least 4 up. Shocking kicking in front of goal!!
Kicked 5.6 without reply. Much easier kicking goals at the Lygon St end but importantly, we are dominating all over the ground.
Hewett and Kennedy are showing what we missed in the last 2 games☹️☹️☹️
Hewett and Kennedy are showing what we missed in the last 2 games☹️☹️☹️
Just wrote the same in my notes from the game
Here's a test for the lads, Filth coming hard in the last, can they hold on?
Had they have kicked straight in the last (at the scoring end) the Filth would have won comfortably.
10 pt win
Things to work on:
Goal Kicking TDK, SOS
Stop leading to pockets, makes every shot a difficult one
General composure entering I50, slow dow, select the option and execute
TDK needs to do more around the ground, he is mobile, use it. He does the difficult stuff well and the easy stuff poorly
Loopy kicks into the fwd line
Zone off/positioning seems untidy
Ground ball cleanliness
Disposal to players under pressure saw this 10-15 times in just the first half
Tall Defenders need to come across and spoil the tall fwd
Acres needs to tidy up disposal
Cowan needs to stop star gazing (as in watching his idols), you belong, hunt the footy. (Just as I type this, he attacks a loose ball hard with intent, very nice)
Lewis Young cannot be relied upon to go fwd
Lewis Young is not strong enoug for big power fwds, monstered by McStay who isn’t a monster
Ed C ooked lost
Plowman is an enigma
Umps needs to watch the scragging and hold of Cripps at stoppages
Positives:
No injuries
Hollands will be a ripper
Bam Bam and George very important to us
Cripps looks the goods..again
Wish we could play premiership point games at Ikon
Had they have kicked straight in the last (at the scoring end) the Filth would have won comfortably.
Or, by contrast, if we kicked straight going that end in the 3rd qtr we would have won comfortably.
A real windy day at Carlton back in the day, it used to howl towards the right point post. When that happens it is not to easy kick straight there, as the last half showed. Did well to hold on there for what it's worth.
Liked De Koning, Kennedy and Motlop.
Stop leading to pockets, makes every shot a difficult one
Maybe, just maybe, given during the proper season the targets will be BigH and Charlie, who seem to prefer bending the footy around corners, having a game plan that leads into pockets is not a bad thing!
With BigH and Charlie, I can't say I'm as confident of them 30m in front, as I am when they a 30m in a pocket.
Ground ball cleanliness
I have to say, with the exception of Cripps and Judd, perhaps now Walsh, this is one area we have never been strong at!
Acres will be a good player for us....disposal early on was sketchy but he runs hard.
Didn't get to see all of the game but Mirkov still looks a mile off. We're definitely better with both TDK and Pittonet playing.
Was it just me or did anyone else notice cripps motion to the bench in the last few minutes and run/limped off. Also appear to limp in the after game chat with the pies boys.
Gosh i hope we dont hear anything about this
Mirkov still looks a mile off. We're
Agreed.
Kemp not listed anywhere?
He's in the VFL squad along with Dow, Carroll, Pittonet, Binns, S Durdin, O'Keeffe and Akuei.
Maybe, just maybe, given during the proper season the targets will be BigH and Charlie, who seem to prefer bending the footy around corners, having a game plan that leads into pockets is not a bad thing!
With BigH and Charlie, I can't say I'm as confident of them 30m in front, as I am when they a 30m in a pocket.
Fark around the corners
Liked De Koning, Kennedy and Motlop.
Didnt think much of De Koning at all, as I said does the simple stuff poorly. I can see him playing distracted all year as he ponders his contract. I might be wrong, we'll see.
Slow motion game in the heat as you would expect, thought Hollands made a handy start and is a active busy smaller mid.
Getting the band back together ie Kennedy and Hewett with Cripps makes such a difference to how we operate and good to see Hewett moving freely with no back issues so maybe Russell can get a tick for that.
Acres...gets plenty of ball and runs everywhere but he needs to get a bit closer to his man and also watch his kicking, seems to kick a few loopy ones that hang in the air and dont travel far inviting other teams to pick them off.
Thought TDK did some good things and Id still be backing him to be my No 1 ruckman.
Not a lot you can really gauge from either team imho given the conditions and for me they looked evenly matched, main thing is no injuries and a couple of our newbies looked promising.
For Collingwood they would have been happy with McStay who I dont rate but he seemed to fit in with their working class no brand name forward setup.
Cowan vs Cincotta.......undecided at this stage to who I think will be more likely to debut first.....
my take nothing has changed from 2022 season going into F50 ,kicking to a contest ,kicking it to outnumbered forward eg LOB kicking to charlie wen outnumbered. One question did or has any of our rucks ever ever gone back to take a intercept mark in defence TDK should be doing this not only taking marks going forward
One question did or has any of our rucks ever ever gone back to take a intercept mark in defence TDK should be doing this not only taking marks going forward
I didn't see today, but when he is fit and can cover the ground, dropping into the D50 hot zone is one of Pitto's strengths.
Was it just me or did anyone else notice cripps motion to the bench in the last few minutes and run/limped off. Also appear to limp in the after game chat with the pies boys.
Gosh i hope we dont hear anything about this
Reported on AFL.com;
Good news for Carlton fans with Patrick Cripps seemingly OK after he sent a minor scare through the Blues camp in the dying stages of their match against Collingwood.
The Brownlow Medallist limped from the field before quickly waving away the attentions of doctors, with the Blues later downplaying the severity of his injury.
"He rolled his ankle. He hobbled off the ground, but he was walking around in the rooms and he was handing footballs out (to fans) after the game, so we're pretty sure he's going to be fine," Carlton assistant Tim Clarke said afterwards.
Just watched a few highlights, impressed by the change in TDKs body, looks uber strong, has added a harder edge yet maintained agility and pace.
Reminds me of when SoJ became the competitive man he is now, that first pre-season they lose the puppy fat and turn into carved granite.
I think the club said won't change game plan - I know we are good forward of centre most of the time but looking forward to how we position defensively against top four sides. Collingwood barely had any players missing we had 13 that were not conditioned to play this game. Thats way too many.
I think the club said won't change game plan - I know we are good forward of centre most of the time but looking forward to how we position defensively against top four sides. Collingwood barely had any players missing
we had 13 that were not conditioned to play this game. Thats way too many.
Seems to be the Carlton way 🤕
Always a long list of wounded warriors in the sick bay.
I just hope we get a little luck swing our way this year. Enough to cover injuries at crucial times and make finals.
Apart from that 15 minute 2nd qtr lapse (hope it's the last time I write about lapses conceding multiple goals this season!!), I thought we controlled the game pretty well, once the game slowed and it became a hard contest we were better... especially considering the missing personnel.
The newbies -- Acres, Cincotta, Cowan & Hollands -- put in well.
Acres will slot in beautifully on the wing, the other wing is up for grabs. I like the look of Hollands.
Cincotta gave us what we know of him, a strong attack/contest and good disposal. Likewise, Cowan showed good attack on aggot and man with effective disposal... one disposal in particular was sublime, a long pinpoint pass to a marking forward.
It's already been said, but, sheesh we missed Hewett and Kennedy late last year.
Mirkov, considering it was a 'near' senior game, seems to have grown in terms of ability and reading the game... but... still a fair way to go.
For those asking about Kemp......VFL squad only.
Apart from that 15 minute 2nd qtr lapse (hope it's the last time I write about lapses conceding multiple goals this season!!), I thought we controlled the game pretty well, once the game slowed and it became a hard contest we were better... especially considering the missing personnel.
The newbies -- Acres, Cincotta, Cowan & Hollands -- put in well.
Acres will slot in beautifully on the wing, the other wing is up for grabs. I like the look of Hollands.
Cincotta gave us what we know of him, a strong attack/contest and good disposal. Likewise, Cowan showed good attack on aggot and man with effective disposal... one disposal in particular was sublime, a long pinpoint pass to a marking forward.
Thanks for your keen observations Baggers. I didn't see the match at all.
FWIW I've got Cincotta pencilled in to play 18+ games. I'm hoping he'll be our Tom Stewart type recruit 🤞
Not really a lot to get out of the game today. Probably only going at 80% all round....plus the hot weather doesn't help.
But a couple things worth mentioning IMO.
- Motlop and Honey might surprise a few in terms of games played this year. In 2022, Owies and Durdin were both favoured over those 2 for the small forward role but that might flip on its head this year.
- Docherty and Ed may be options to run through the midfield, but i would have plenty ahead of them in that role. Much prefer Docherty permanently back as he looked a little lost a couple of times. Ed, obviously has a lot of cobwebs he has to blow off first, but there might be a bit more than first thought.
- Cincotta may not have done a lot, but he does the right things and seemed to be at ease with the pace. A dodge/baulk here, and a quick hand to stop a handball out of a stoppage there....little things that show me he could go ok if/when he gets a callup.
- Acres....got enough of the ball. Was not terrible with it like some seem to have suggested. Runs both ways and does a job. Good get.
- Kennedy+Hewitt need to stay fit. Very important for our success/depth through the midfield. If those 2 are the 'backups' to Cripps, Walsh, Cerra.....then we will give teams a lot of headaches because they are about as good '4th and 5th' midfielders going round.
Jack a couple of nice things but thought he was a bit selfish today which is unusual?
Motlop seemed to be round the pill a bit today and did OK
O'Brien serviceable
Cerra real good
Kennedy plays in the last game last year and we win it.
Cripps nice game by the champ
McKay pretty happy with his output
TDK started off like a rocket but quiet after 1st
Acres pretty good. Sloppy disposal at times (fits right in)
Hollands Kid was OK some sort of future there
Doc didn't really notice him much
Plowman a typical Plowman game. For the most part good with sprinklings of chaos
Weitering super consistent
Newman good
Fisher quiet I thought
Cowan look ok for a first gamer. More potential?
Hewett plays in the last game last year and we win it.
Curnow C looked a bit flat. May not travel too well in the heat
Young Outsized by McStay but had a crack
Curnow E really out of touch, understandably
Honey will need to have more of an impact if he wants a game
Saad pretty quiet by his standards but not a worry
Mirkov raw
Cincotta of all the newbies, impressed me the most
Reckon we had about 4-5 senior players out today so did not do too bad. Think Pies only had Miochek out? My only gripe is the bombs into the forward line which looks like will always be part of our game plan. Bar the 15mins in the 2nd think we pretty much controlled the whole game.
Not really a lot to get out of the game today. Probably only going at 80% all round....plus the hot weather doesn't help.
But a couple things worth mentioning IMO.
- Motlop and Honey might surprise a few in terms of games played this year. In 2022, Owies and Durdin were both favoured over those 2 for the small forward role but that might flip on its head this year.
- Docherty and Ed may be options to run through the midfield, but i would have plenty ahead of them in that role. Much prefer Docherty permanently back as he looked a little lost a couple of times. Ed, obviously has a lot of cobwebs he has to blow off first, but there might be a bit more than first thought.
- Cincotta may not have done a lot, but he does the right things and seemed to be at ease with the pace. A dodge/baulk here, and a quick hand to stop a handball out of a stoppage there....little things that show me he could go ok if/when he gets a callup.
- Acres....got enough of the ball. Was not terrible with it like some seem to have suggested. Runs both ways and does a job. Good get.
- Kennedy+Hewitt need to stay fit. Very important for our success/depth through the midfield. If those 2 are the 'backups' to Cripps, Walsh, Cerra.....then we will give teams a lot of headaches because they are about as good '4th and 5th' midfielders going round.
Agree on Docherty, I didnt say Acres was terrible, just that some of his kicks were up and under floaters and he could improve on that. He would be a lock for round 1, I also like the look of Hollands and would have him on the other wing in round 1, has way more upside than our other wing candidates.
One hears the term "spiritual leader" bandied about from to time in the AFL, and Docherty would be our spiritual leader IMO.
EB...I reckon if Hollands plays in the practice game next week against Sydney and plays well, he'll be in for Round 1.
Was there any reason for Dow not playing today....or is he playing in the VFL game?
I think Dow played in the VFL only. He must be pretty low in the pecking order, and you'd think only significant injury to other mids or a major volte face by the MC will see him much in the 1's.
Reckon we had about 4-5 senior players out today so did not do too bad. Think Pies only had Miochek out.
Ginnivan.
Recruits impress as Blues hold off Magpies in quality practice match hitout, SEN.com.au. (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/02/24/recruits-impress-as-blues-hold-off-magpies-in-quality-practice-match-hitout/)
Historical rivals Carlton and Collingwood treated their fans to a quality contest in their unofficial pre-season match at Ikon Park on Friday.
In a game that was played in warm and windy summer conditions, Carlton - unlike like they did in Round 23 - held off Collingwood in the last quarter to prevail, this time by a score of 84-74.
With the result so close, each side of fans would have been happy with how their club performed with both outfits looking like teams that will be hard to beat heading into 2023.
Like most pre-season matches, plenty of the focus surrounded new recruits and the likes of Blake Acres, Dan McStay, Tom Mitchell, Billy Frampton and Bobby Hill all had their moments to prove they can make an early impact for their sides.
For Carlton, they again looked dominant around stoppage and with such a powerful forward line, proved incredibly hard to stop when their entries were deep and direct.
For Collingwood, they proved that they'll be willing to lose to win again in 2023 as they used the ball in quick transition with dare to score freely in quick bursts.
But much like last season, those risks didn't always pay off, with Carlton scoring off turnovers in dangerous positions on multiple occasions.
Perhaps most importantly, it looks like both sides escaped any notable injuries. Check out the key talking points for both teams below.
Carlton
Young Blues look big improvers
After coming so close to playing finals in 2022, Carlton look like they've had some internal growth from within heading into 2023.
Some of that natural improvement looks like it'll come from some young guns, with Adam Cerra and Tom De Koning performing brilliantly on Friday.
We've already seen what Cerra can do at the top level, but the on-baller looked even more assured and classier than he has previously.
As for De Koning, he looked perhaps the game's best player in the first term with some eye-catching highlights.
The ruck/forward has one of the highest ceilings in the league and if Friday's performance is anything to go by, he could make some serious strides in reaching it this season.
Additions help resolve key weakness
In Carlton's two losses to Collingwood in 2023, their key issue was often the wings with Steele Sidebottom and Josh Daicos having big says in both of those results.
The addition of Blake Acres was earmarked to plug that hole and from Friday's game, it looks like he'll do just that.
The experienced outside player is a walk up starter and looks to be a key contributor right away.
On the other wing, youngster Ollie Hollands looks like he can impact early on. If he grows into the player Carlton hopes, one of their biggest flaws may have been resolved.
Buy Jesse Motlop stock
After showing flashes last season, Jesse Motlop looks like he's primed for a breakout 2023.
One of the key questions surrounding Carlton was their lack of a star small forward, and while Motlop might not be there yet, he looks a player that can develop into one.
Motlop possesses all the traits you want from a small inside 50 and you could see the fear he put into Collingwood defenders on multiple occasions on Friday. He will be a fun watch for Carlton fans.
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FINAL SCORE
Carlton: 5.1, 7.5, 11.9, 12.12. (84) Collingwood: 2.1, 8.1, 9.3, 11.8. (74)
GOALS
Carlton: McKay 3, De Koning, Hewett, Acres, C. Curnow, Hollands, Kennedy, Honey, O'Brien, Cripps Collingwood: McStay. 3, Adams 2, McCreery, Cameron, De Goy, Howe, Hill
BEST
Carlton: Saad, McKay, Cerra, De Koning, Hewett Collingwood: De Goey, McStay, Pendlebury, Howe, Crisp
I think others noticed how many of our forward entries were high... on a number of occasions it appeared that blokes paused and intentionally launched it high, perhaps a conscious effort to maximise height and limit the need for small forward input seeing how we were missing a couple of our prime small forwards. Just a thought.
I think others noticed how many of our forward entries were high... on a number of occasions it appeared that blokes paused and intentionally launched it high, perhaps a conscious effort to maximise height and limit the need for small forward input seeing how we were missing a couple of our prime small forwards. Just a thought.
I think it's the opposite.
Kick it high so the tallest bloke back there (harry), and the guys with the biggest leaps (Charlie and tdk) can get an advantage.
Of course that also allows us time for the small forwards to get to the drop of the ball if we can't get to it.
I think it's the opposite.
Kick it high so the tallest bloke back there (harry), and the guys with the biggest leaps (Charlie and tdk) can get an advantage.
Of course that also allows us time for the small forwards to get to the drop of the ball if we can't get to it.
I don't think that's the opposite, the point is it seemed to be a conscious decision to set it up high (for whatever reason) which you seem to be acknowledging or agree with.
I was quite happy with the performance.
There seemed to be a reasonable amount of intensity for a practice game.
Yep, nothing like a real match, but both sides were having a dip.
We shouldn't forget, much as it pains me to say it, that the opposition are a very good side and are probably one of three we'll be playing against in the last couple of games of the year ;) :D
It was a clear the cobwebs, lets try a few things game.
Our best ruckman was playing seconds football.
We'll be better for the run.
I don't think that's the opposite, the point is it seemed to be a conscious decision to set it up high (for whatever reason) which you seem to be acknowledging or agree with.
Sorry, didn't explain which part i was referring too.
The opposite part was i feel it brings our small forwards into the game. You were suggesting we were doing that because we couldn't rely on them.
Glenn MacFarlane from the HS doing his player reviews:
'Jack Silvagni - The son-of-a-gun was solid as the back-up ruck to TDK, will be interesting to see what happens when Pittonet returns to full health.'
Thought Mirkov was the backup ruckman!!! JSOS was predominantly a forward?? Did I get that wrong??
Sorry, didn't explain which part i was referring too.
The opposite part was i feel it brings our small forwards into the game. You were suggesting we were doing that because we couldn't rely on them.
Apologies, yep, I can see how you gathered that from my post. I wasn't sure why, just that it seemed a definite strategy, rather than just panicky bombs into the forward line.
Glenn MacFarlane from the HS doing his player reviews:
'Jack Silvagni - The son-of-a-gun was solid as the back-up ruck to TDK, will be interesting to see what happens when Pittonet returns to full health.'
Thought Mirkov was the backup ruckman!!! JSOS was predominantly a forward?? Did I get that wrong??
Mirkov and De Koning were rarely on the ground together and Jack competed in quite a few ruck contests around the ground. However, Jack was mainly used as a tall forward, except for the latter part of the last quarter when he was an extra man in defence - Vossy wasn't going to let the Pies steal another win.
Mirkov and De Koning were rarely on the ground together and Jack competed in quite a few ruck contests around the ground. However, Jack was mainly used as a tall forward, except for the latter part of the last quarter when he was an extra man in defence - Vossy wasn't going to let the Pies steal another win.
Jack of all trades. I value his versatility. Coupled with his nous and navy heart, he's such an asset.
I think others noticed how many of our forward entries were high... on a number of occasions it appeared that blokes paused and intentionally launched it high, perhaps a conscious effort to maximise height and limit the need for small forward input seeing how we were missing a couple of our prime small forwards. Just a thought.
As one of the commentators said, defenders love it when its kicked in high like that. Gives the talls time to get across in numbers and either kill it or intercept. Just a useless tactic for mine:
- spoils the often hard work up the ground to get into the position to go going inside 50.
- risk of injury to your Rolls Royces by getting crunched in packs.
More low and precise entry is the go, our Rollers have more than enough skill and speed to make position to receive it, we have the mids now who can do precision.
As one of the commentators said, defenders love it when its kicked in high like that. Gives the talls time to get across in numbers and either kill it or intercept. Just a useless tactic for mine:
- spoils the often hard work up the ground to get into the position to go going inside 50.
- risk of injury to your Rolls Royces by getting crunched in packs.
More low and precise entry is the go, our Rollers have more than enough skill and speed to make position to receive it, we have the mids now who can do precision.
Yep, fully agree, bombing the ball usually happens when there is no movement in your forward line and your mids are under pressure and just slamming the ball on the boot. It was a scrappy first hitout and neither team reached any great level in terms of method imho which is too be expected. Id expect to see more clean entries and delivery in the practice games proper and we will get a better idea if anything has changed game plan wise.
In the good old days of premiership glories we never won any pre season games and looked like the players were still on Mad Monday duty but come round 1 we were ready to go and usually very sharp so I wouldnt get too stuck on pre season game form and would rather see us go easy in the pre season games to protect our Rollers but have a full list to choose from come round 1.
Did anyone know that Collingwood trained for the last 3 minute "scenarios" last year??? Not sure that the commentators mentioned it enough - it was only about every 2nd sentence.
Did anyone know that Collingwood trained for the last 3 minute "scenarios" last year??? Not sure that the commentators mentioned it enough - it was only about every 2nd sentence.
The problem with that scenario is that you have to be close to make it work 50/50.
Sure I get the ideology, for the Filth to win more than it's fair share of crap shoots. But last season and the season before we've had a bit of a habit of letting 6 or 7 goal leads slip in multiple games, if we stop that then the last 3 minutes become largely irrelevant, so for me our problem isn't the last 3 minutes but the 25 minutes before.
Really, if the Filth rely on that strategy, in the long term they will become the next Ninthmond which is a death by a thousand cuts. I don't want that for Carlton, I want the old Carlton, the one that was game over in the 3rd!
As much as I hate Dangerfield's Handbaggers, and despise the whinging whining coach, I love the way they manage and control the game and there are lessons to be learned from that clinical professionalism. In last years GF, Sindney were like bugs stuck in a river of molasses while trying to swim upstream.
Did anyone know that Collingwood trained for the last 3 minute "scenarios" last year??? Not sure that the commentators mentioned it enough - it was only about every 2nd sentence.
Nathan Buckley was on SEN the other morning talking about the Super Bowl and how well the NFL teams control the clock. They train it to perfection and everyone knows their role in those scenarios. He went to say they we can't control the clock as well in AFL because our game is all about transition. When you take a mark, you have seconds before you need to move it on, you get a free, same thing seconds and you need to move it on.
I think we were extremely poor last year in those games where we lost it in the end during the final minutes. It was as if we never trained it, even basics, around what we would do in the final minutes to hold a slender lead or pinch a game that was in the balance. In fact, we even repeated the same mistakes of the weeks before. I truly hope we have learnt from that and have worked on some basic scenario train because to have repeat of what happened in the last two games of 2022 would be absolutely gut wrenching.
Collingwood are very fit and mobile, what they lack in star power they make up for in that ability to run out games after making it tight all the way through games playing blue collar rebound football.
Apart from Cox they dont have too many lumbering stiffs, run a small mobile backline and have that bits and pieces forward setup with odd type players who have that ability to work as individuals but also link up when required.
Its working with what you have and Macrae's problem will be sustaining and improving that brand in 2023 as other teams work them out. Most wont know what I am talking about with the following but a similar analogy is what has happened in the NBL this year with the Cairns Taipans who are the team I follow, they are a mixture of odd type players who have been cellar dwellers for years but this season have a left field thinking coach in Adam Forde who has them playing this high octane rebound run the floor, shoot plenty of threes type game coupled with a very in your face defensive setup. They have gone from nearly last to top 4 and have just had their season ended but played very well in the finals even after losing key players.
Just shows what a good coach can do but the test is sustaining and making improvement year on end and this where I think Collingwood and Macrae will be tested and I have them slipping a bit...
Collingwood are very fit and mobile, what they lack in star power they make up for in that ability to run out games after making it tight all the way through games playing blue collar rebound football.
Apart from Cox they dont have too many lumbering stiffs, run a small mobile backline and have that bits and pieces forward setup with odd type players who have that ability to work as individuals but also link up when required.
Its working with what you have and Macrae's problem will be sustaining and improving that brand in 2023 as other teams work them out. Most wont know what I am talking about with the following but a similar analogy is what has happened in the NBL this year with the Cairns Taipans who are the team I follow, they are a mixture of odd type players who have been cellar dwellers for years but this season have a left field thinking coach in Adam Forde who has them playing this high octane rebound run the floor, shoot plenty of threes type game coupled with a very in your face defensive setup. They have gone from nearly last to top 4 and have just had their season ended but played very well in the finals even after losing key players.
Just shows what a good coach can do but the test is sustaining and making improvement year on end and this where I think Collingwood and Macrae will be tested and I have them slipping a bit...
If you heard C Scott the other day, he talked about needing to bring something new this year despite winning a premiership last year. He suggested that if they do the same as last year, they are gone. Thats a good coach, just won a flag and not resting on his laurels. Every year, not matter where you finish, you need to bring something new, you know what they say about doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result.
If you heard C Scott the other day, he talked about needing to bring something new this year despite winning a premiership last year. He suggested that if they do the same as last year, they are gone. Thats a good coach, just won a flag and not resting on his laurels. Every year, not matter where you finish, you need to bring something new, you know what they say about doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result.
Fully agree and one reservation about us I have is what are we bringing thats new this season, players?/ inventive gameplan? .....Voss when coaching at Brisbane began well and then it was downhill every year after that.
Nathan Buckley was on SEN the other morning talking about the Super Bowl and how well the NFL teams control the clock. They train it to perfection and everyone knows their role in those scenarios. He went to say they we can't control the clock as well in AFL because our game is all about transition. When you take a mark, you have seconds before you need to move it on, you get a free, same thing seconds and you need to move it on.
I think we were extremely poor last year in those games where we lost it in the end during the final minutes. It was as if we never trained it, even basics, around what we would do in the final minutes to hold a slender lead or pinch a game that was in the balance. In fact, we even repeated the same mistakes of the weeks before. I truly hope we have learnt from that and have worked on some basic scenario train because to have repeat of what happened in the last two games of 2022 would be absolutely gut wrenching.
Why are YOU talking about the yanks game?
Everytime i mention it there are a few on here that get 'triggered' and tune out. :P
Its true though, and its not just the superbowl, its every game. They have names for it too.
2-minute offense.
4-minute offense.
If you have the ball, and you are in front, 4 minutes remaining, you can get away with running just 3 actual plays to win the game (with a bit of luck). With less luck, you would have to run double that (with 2 minute warning and 3 opposition timeouts). If you are behind though, you can run as many plays as you need to go the length of the field, twice over if required - potentially up to 20 plays. Such is the time management of that game.
The NFL is a lot more structured, and these things can be drilled to perfection, and while we can't do it to the same extent in our game, we can definitely do it better than we do. Pies doing it got a lot of attention because they won the close games. However, every team does something similar. Maybe its not to the same extent, maybe it is, but unless it works, nobody cares....or talks about it at least.
Its not new. You see the signs on the boundary with numbers, colours and symbols representing basically the same thing we are talking about.
Back in the day the 'hold the ball up in the air' signal was used to tell everyone its time to play for time.
Collingwood played out each minute of each quarter last season. They didn't think of half time or the quarter breaks or that the game was over. This is something Carlton should learn. Other teams should be ready for Collingwood this year so I am not sure about their depth. We had players out and we had five more scoring shots so we probably should have won by more. Their seconds got a pasting. There are plenty of people who pump up Collingwood in the media, I am not so sure.