AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

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Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #30 – April 20, 2024, 11:17:47 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on April 20, 2024, 09:34:29 pm

According to coach Kingsley" its hard being Toby"...sometimes I agree he doesnt get calls go his way due to his previous reputation but he was undisciplined tonight and the incident with Boyd showed he had little duty of care imho and there was another I'm sure I saw with Kemp I think it was where he took a swing at him while contesting the ball falling to the ground.
Good to see both Cowan and Newman looking after Boyd too and letting Toby know he wasnt going to get away with his BS....
Hogan struck Young in the jaw as well and that should be looked at too.....credit to Young when Weitering got his corkie and couldnt run it was Young who got the job on Hogan and shut him down and showed some physicality which has been lacking in his game...

I too was impressed by Young’s physicality

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #31 – April 20, 2024, 11:24:27 pm

The two rucks worked exactly as the match committee desired today.
Can they repeat consistently ?

LIFT

Reply #32 – April 20, 2024, 11:40:29 pm

That was UNREAL!

CRIPPA 1000 votes!

Gutsy effort by our boys taking all things into consideration - absolutely loved it.

CARNA BLUE BAGGERS !

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #33 – April 20, 2024, 11:43:12 pm

Quote from: northernblue on April 20, 2024, 11:17:47 pm

I too was impressed by Young’s physicality

Me too, credit where credit's due. He really needs to keep working on taking account of his opponent. This aspect was poor early in the game.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #34 – April 20, 2024, 11:44:28 pm

I saw tall Durdin in the post match pics on fb, so he hasn't vanished after all.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #35 – April 20, 2024, 11:46:07 pm

Don't be under any misapprehensions here, we were horrible in the first half. They applied some serious pressure and we once again fumbled & bumbled. Kicking for goal was atrocious as was the delivery into the forward line, same issues that cost us the game against the Crows.

The fact that Voss had to send Curnow deep into defence late in the second to try and stem the bleeding was a tell-tale sign of howbad we really were.

After half-time, we started to apply the pressure and bit by bit we edged our way back into the contest and as our confidence grew, we started to run all over them.

It was a very good win and one we just had to register after last week's letdown.

Lots of good players for the second half, way too many passengers, frauds & flat-footed onlookers in the first.

Somehow, our guys have to find that ferocious gear from the first bounce instead of halfway through the match.

Must acknowledge that sensational feat of pure athleticism from the Giants defender Aleer who spoilt McKay in a marking contest after an incredible leap that came from nowhere.

Bring on next week please.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #36 – April 20, 2024, 11:51:26 pm

By the way, if Corey Durdin wants to be taken seriously as a small forward, then when he is 15-20 metres in the clear and has another 15-20 metres of empty space in front of him, then he just has to kick the goal. FFS, take a bounce, run in a little closer and naikl the screwing thing !!!

His primary role in the team is to kick goals because he won't get too many opportunities to do so and that was an unforgivable miss.

And if Kemp thinks it is acceptable to try the sideshow kick at goal only to hit the point post when there was 2-3 of our forwards well in the clear closer to goal, then he needs one hell of a spray from the coaching staff. I really like the guy but that was immature and a low-percentage play.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #37 – April 21, 2024, 12:50:09 am

Quote from: LordLucifer on April 20, 2024, 11:46:07 pm

Don't be under any misapprehensions here, we were horrible in the first half. They applied some serious pressure and we once again fumbled & bumbled. Kicking for goal was atrocious as was the delivery into the forward line, same issues that cost us the game against the Crows.

The fact that Voss had to send Curnow deep into defence late in the second to try and stem the bleeding was a tell-tale sign of howbad we really were.

After half-time, we started to apply the pressure and bit by bit we edged our way back into the contest and as our confidence grew, we started to run all over them.

It was a very good win and one we just had to register after last week's letdown.

Lots of good players for the second half, way too many passengers, frauds & flat-footed onlookers in the first.

Somehow, our guys have to find that ferocious gear from the first bounce instead of halfway through the match.

Must acknowledge that sensational feat of pure athleticism from the Giants defender Aleer who spoilt McKay in a marking contest after an incredible leap that came from nowhere.

Bring on next week please.

As I posted previously, Charlie has taken over Silvagni's role of helping out in defence from time to time. In other words, Charlie has the licence to decide when he should be an extra in defence. To me, leaving it up to Charlie is great coaching by Vossy and reflects his philosophy of giving the players and assistant coaches responsibility.

We struggled for 15 minutes in the second quarter but controlled the rest of the game quite comfortably.

Our goal kicking did let us down some and could have robbed us of another world record for goals from centre clearances. Even so, we had 12 goal assists, scored from 57% of our inside 50s and kicked goals from 32% of our inside 50s. We had nine individual goal scorers, seven of whom were part of our forward rotations, and five multiple goal scorers. That is pretty impressive in the context of a high pressure game against the flag favourites. The Carlton of midway through last season would have folded after GWS's second quarter run of goals. Once we clawed those two goals back at the end of the second quarter, the result was never really in doubt .

Aleer's spoil was also spectacular in that he hit the ball straight to Cottrell for an easy goal. Athleticism is all well and good, provided you get the footy basics right.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #38 – April 21, 2024, 01:21:52 am

Quote from: northernblue on April 20, 2024, 11:24:27 pm

The two rucks worked exactly as the match committee desired today.
Can they repeat consistently ?

As the coach and LP suggested it's a horses for courses approach and we are also short of horses at the minute so we didn't have a lot of options.
Riccardi is a good forward but a lousy ruckman and when Briggs tired our blokes took over. I might have tried Leek Aleer in the ruck if I was Kingsley given he was jumping over tall buildings and likes punching the ball and been a bit more inventive when the game started to slip away.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #39 – April 21, 2024, 08:24:02 am

Quote from: LordLucifer on April 20, 2024, 11:46:07 pm

Don't be under any misapprehensions here, we were horrible in the first half. They applied some serious pressure and we once again fumbled & bumbled. Kicking for goal was atrocious as was the delivery into the forward line, same issues that cost us the game against the Crows.

The fact that Voss had to send Curnow deep into defence late in the second to try and stem the bleeding was a tell-tale sign of howbad we really were.

After half-time, we started to apply the pressure and bit by bit we edged our way back into the contest and as our confidence grew, we started to run all over them.

It was a very good win and one we just had to register after last week's letdown.

Lots of good players for the second half, way too many passengers, frauds & flat-footed onlookers in the first.

Somehow, our guys have to find that ferocious gear from the first bounce instead of halfway through the match.

Must acknowledge that sensational feat of pure athleticism from the Giants defender Aleer who spoilt McKay in a marking contest after an incredible leap that came from nowhere.

Bring on next week please.

Dunno that the whole side was bad in the first half, yes many were bad but they were admirably led by Charlie who had a mare in the first half. Worst half of footy I have seen from him in a long while. Again from my vantage point, the opposition moved it far too easily from the one end of the ground to the other. I commented to my mate and Junior G2C at half time that we haven't been hard to play against this year. We completely reversed that in the second half and we were the ruthless and bold Carlton from last year.

I like GWS, they are a good side and despite Toby having brain fades at time, I'd have him in my side every day of the week and twice on Sundays. BUT their Beveridge clone coach is an utter flog who also has a head you want to punch. He seriously needs some lessons in humility and how to speak respectfully to the media (ie the public). Watch his presser and his carry on over the Greene Boyd incident and tell me if he doesn't make your blood boil.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #40 – April 21, 2024, 09:45:30 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton on April 21, 2024, 08:24:02 am

Dunno that the whole side was bad in the first half, yes many were bad but they were admirably led by Charlie who had a mare in the first half. Worst half of footy I have seen from him in a long while. Again from my vantage point, the opposition moved it far too easily from the one end of the ground to the other. I commented to my mate and Junior G2C at half time that we haven't been hard to play against this year. We completely reversed that in the second half and we were the ruthless and bold Carlton from last year.

I like GWS, they are a good side and despite Toby having brain fades at time, I'd have him in my side every day of the week and twice on Sundays. BUT their Beveridge clone coach is an utter flog who also has a head you want to punch. He seriously needs some lessons in humility and how to speak respectfully to the media (ie the public). Watch his presser and his carry on over the Greene Boyd incident and tell me if he doesn't make your blood boil.

Yep, it was a real sour grapes presser, GWS have some skillful players but several soft ones who don't like it hard and
are way overrated ie Whitfield, Coniglio, Kelly etc and Himmelberg enjoys taking big marks over little players but is pathetic against anyone his own size and without Taylor in the team got exposed as the fraud he is imo. Toby is a top player but can't help himself and turns into a undisciplined sook as does Hogan when things don't go their way...

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #41 – April 21, 2024, 09:52:05 am

First half skills were bad chasing was bad, pressure was bad, didn't have time with the footy and when we did in the forward line we rushed and kicked points. Backline wasn't cohesive.

As others said, got back in it with pressure and using the footy better. This bred confidence and away we went. Forward half pressure was amazing at times. It was good to be in the crowd.

Did note that all quarters were over 30 mins, without any delays for injuries, blood rule etc.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #42 – April 21, 2024, 10:14:43 am

Quote from: northernblue on April 20, 2024, 11:24:27 pm

The two rucks worked exactly as the match committee desired today.
Can they repeat consistently ?

TDK is regularly showing he can take a mark and kick a goal when forward.

Two rucks works PROVIDED one can play forward. We have that hence can work. If do don't then you can't play 2 rucks, ala Gawn and Grundy, as it ends up a liability to the side. You basically play one short.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #43 – April 21, 2024, 10:14:53 am

Quote from: northernblue on April 20, 2024, 11:24:27 pm

The two rucks worked exactly as the match committee desired today.
Can they repeat consistently ?

It seems that Crippa is a huge fan of the two rucks structure and had been advocating for Pitto’s recall to address the clearance deficit. While that worked against Adelaide, Pitto and De Koning didn’t contribute enough around the ground to compensate for the loss of run and Harry’s input as second ruck.

Everything clicked yesterday with Pitto and De Koning dominating the hitouts, our mids dominating the clearances, Pitto pitching in around the ground, De Koning kicking goals and forcing GWS to put defensive effort into him, and Harry getting up the ground for telling contested marks.

There’s nothing wrong with playing two rucks, provided that they can do more than take part in ruck contests.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #44 – April 21, 2024, 10:36:04 am

Went back to our brutal contested best in dominating clearances.
Goals from turnover have gone down a little to prop up our one wood.
No problem with two rucks but this team spends its energy in the contest so two rucks makes more sense as they add to the contested brutality. I guess we have two game plans a turnover game and inside game which is good for this group to pull different levers. Adding Cerra and Fogarty.. Doc next year adds to the brutality.