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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
And one other thing, in pre-empting the Murphy hate, if anyone can enlighten me as to how Murph may have impacted/caused todays poor result, I'm keen to hear it. Should make for interesting reading.

Picking a bloke who is cooked to be part of the team (even as sub) sends a very clear signal to the rest of the team:

MEDIOCRITY ACCEPTED HERE
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast
I'm not sure about Russell. Our players can't stay on the field and we can only sustain effort for 1 game and then come out the next week like we've just run a marathon. Are we overworking then during the week? Not enough? Are the recovery sessions working? 

I do think Teague and the players deserve heat for sure but the conditioning clearly isn't working for our group.

I think we need to rotate guys out who are feeling off a lot more regularly. Carroll and Cotterell or Kemp could have helped spark something.

And a last word for the hapless Plowman. He is the dumbest player in the AFL. If you don't agree that's fine but you are categorically wrong. The fact that he finishes high in our B&F probably says more about our club and our culture of acceptance of mediocrity than anything else.

Kemp should have replaced him weeks ago.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd21: Carlton vs Gold Coast
Quote from: Stone Motherless on
Harry missed one game where structurally we fell to pieces.
Levi, Murphy, Pittonet, Setterfield, McDonald, Gibbons, Marchbank, McGovern. All seconds players. If the club is using injuries to these guys as an excuse, I suppose that tells you why we are where we are.

When you lose all key forwards and all ruckmen and are left with SOS in the ruck and Owies at full forward you don't think that's relevant at all?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd21: Carlton vs Gold Coast
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
16? A bit of mayo on that number.
Eddie Betts   Named
1 Jordan Boyd   Knee   "We won't see him for at least a month." Update: 6 July
Levi Casboult    Named
2 David Cuningham   Knee   Out for remainder of season.
Tom De Koning   Named
3 Sam Docherty   Ankle   "He won't play again in the home-and-away season." Update: 26 July
4 Michael Gibbons   Hamstring   Out for remainder of season. Update: 26 July
5 Caleb Marchbank   Knee   Out for remainder of season.
6 Oscar McDonald   Back    "We think he needs a couple of weeks of full training to get back to playing but it’s looking like we’ll see him again this year, which is really exciting." Update: 20 July
Mitch McGovern   Named
7 Alex Mirkov   Knee   "We're getting him in shape to play: whether he plays this year remains to be seen." Update: 13 July
8 Sam Philp   Groin   Out for remainder of season.
9 Marc Pittonet   Ankle   Returning to running this week: chance to return in final weeks of season. Update: 26 July
10 Will Setterfield   Groin   Experiencing low-grade groin soreness. Unavailable this weekend. Update: 26 July
11 Zac Williams   Hamstring   Low-grade hamstring. Expected to miss 2-3 weeks. Update: 26 July

McGovern hasn't played a game in 2 months. He's still on the injury list for me. I'd still rate Charlie as an injury to be honest. Yeah he may be back on the park but miles off being back free from injury. Likewise Murphy who clearly isn't right and shouldn't be playing.

De Koning is no guarantee to play. And why claim Casboult isn't out injured - because he's named on emergency? Hasn't played in a month or more.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda
Quote from: flyboy77 on
We need to win 3 of 3.

Freo have Brisbane in Perth, Eagles then St Kilda here (docklands). If they win all 3, they're in....but they're flaky. So expect one loss.

WCE have Dees in Perth, Dockers then Brsbane (possibly up there, otherwise here?) might win zero, might win 2. Win 2, they're in.

Saints have Syvegas here, Cats in Geelong, then Freo. Two wins at best.

Bombers have Bulldogs, Suns (up there possibly), Pies at the G. Two wins at best.

Tigers have North, Giants, Hawthorn - win all three and we win all three, they pip us most likely on %.

Totally agree with all of that. I reckon if we win all 3 we're still only about a 50% chance of making finals at best.

However, this season all of those mid-tier teams (like Carlton) have been so up and down that it is impossible to predict what will happen next. None of them are all that likely to go on a 3-0 run of wins - and certainly not Freo , WC or Rich - but who knows - we may as well have a crack.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda
Quote from: blueboys_1 on
They certainly don't. No club has left a player on 298 or 299 games. They have been nursed to 300. He deserves it even if he is past his prime. Had the option to go somewhere else before his last contract and chose to stay, showing loyalty to the club. And now the club is showing it to him. Enough said.

If Murphy is picked to play in anything other than VFL this weekend it will be a disgrace to this club.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda
Quote from: LP on
Our making finals is really totally dependant on others losing, we are unlikely to bridge the percentage gap so ending up on the same number of wins isn't good enough. I think Freo are in prime position.

The other problem is that some of the teams above us that are vying for the last spot play each other, so some of those above are guaranteed one win and excluding Freo they all have better percentages.

If we do a Melbourne and smash GC we might get enough of a percentage boost to put us closer, but I'd assert if we have to us and injury sub in the process it's not going to happen. Plus at this stage are we going to have a ruck?

What do we stand for as a club? The individual or the group? Playing Murphy in spite of his inability to perform just so he can get to 300 is definitely putting the individual before the club given we're sitting 1 win outside the 8 with 3 to play.

That isn't even a question for me. You never want to put the individual before the club. It may mean Murphy cuts up about it but who cares? If he does that just indicates he wasn't much of a person to begin with.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda
Quote from: flyboy77 on
disagree, we must get him to 300.

And I'm not a fan of Smurf....

I am amazed we have supporters who would even consider this. Finals are right there - we are 1 game out and we're talking about putting the individual ahead of the entire point of the club as a whole?

Make finals. Or play 17 vs. 18 because we want to limp a guy to a meaningless milestone. It's an amazing achievement to play 297 games the same as it is to play 300. Why does anyone care? Murphy himself would be embarrassed for all eternity if his 299th game he cost us finals.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda
Quote from: laj on
Betts and Owies have been playing pretty good footy.

Murphy? No way known Murphy should have played the last 2 games. If he plays again this year it is a farce. We are a farce. It was like playing with 17 when he was on today. Robbing a younger / better player of a game just because he's close to an arbitrary number. Couldn't care less if he finishes on 297 and nor should he. If he's not good enough it would be a hollow 300th anyway.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda
Why hasn't Honey been playing. Clearly one of our best small forward performances for the year. Absolutely an AFL level player.

O'Brien 21 pos. including 4 goal assists (probably the best by a Carlton player this season). Ridiculous how the club has left him to rot all season.

Graham and Kemp should also be playing. Newnes and Plowman.... not so much.