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Title: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on March 15, 2023, 08:49:43 pm
Getting in early, as I will be very busy tomorrow.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 16, 2023, 11:57:11 pm
Dow dominated in the praccy and kicked four goals against Ninthmond has to be in contention.
Couldnt do worse than Fisher and Martin
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 17, 2023, 12:14:31 am
Dow dominated in the praccy and kicked four goals against Ninthmond has to be in contention.
Couldnt do worse than Fisher and Martin
Dow might get the sub role, reckon they will stick with Fisher and Martin for another game at least.
Pittonet will probably get a game too, dont see too many changes other than that.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 17, 2023, 07:08:16 am
Dow might get the sub role, reckon they will stick with Fisher and Martin for another game at least.
Pittonet will probably get a game too, dont see too many changes other than that.
Martin was deplorable closely followed by Fisher (after his goal), Owies, Motlop (although he tried very hard to get into the game by covering the ground extensively).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: shawny on March 17, 2023, 09:04:07 am
Dow dominated in the praccy and kicked four goals against Ninthmond has to be in contention.
Couldnt do worse than Fisher and Martin
Agree. I’m not a dow fan and can’t see him making it but fair is fair if your form warrants it he should be rewarded.

Martin is an absolute p1ss taker. We all keep waiting for him to play consistent footy but reality is he is what he is and what you see is what you get.

Injury prone inconsistent with cameo moments in games to keep the coaches interested.  I’ve seen enough.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 17, 2023, 10:31:53 am
Agree. I’m not a dow fan and can’t see him making it but fair is fair if your form warrants it he should be rewarded.

Martin is an absolute p1ss taker. We all keep waiting for him to play consistent footy but reality is he is what he is and what you see is what you get.

Injury prone inconsistent with cameo moments in games to keep the coaches interested.  I’ve seen enough.
Agree, but we are stuck with him, I'd be looking at him as the professional sub as he never plays four quarters but might give you that cameo 10 mins that can win a close game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on March 17, 2023, 10:38:44 am
Agree, but we are stuck with him, I'd be looking at him as the professional sub as he never plays four quarters but might give you that cameo 10 mins that can win a close game.
You could be onto something with that Sub option, some blokes just love a cameo, they shy away from the intensity of the fulltime spotlight.

Some people just want to be the interval clown, not the headline act!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 17, 2023, 12:32:23 pm
I think we will win this one particularly if the Filth soften them up for us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 17, 2023, 01:15:23 pm
You could be onto something with that Sub option, some blokes just love a cameo, they shy away from the intensity of the fulltime spotlight.

Some people just want to be the interval clown, not the headline act!
We have had a few clowns over the journey and it's probably why we have looked like a circus...
Martin in the middle as a shock trooper or down forward for 10 minutes could be what  we need as some X factor.
Fisher, Owies, Motlop doesn't seem to be working out as a small forward setup and we have become too Charlie and Harry centric...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Mav on March 17, 2023, 01:19:31 pm
To be fair, just about all of the small forward types were battling to get up for Rd 1 after injuries. A few players who had an interrupted preseason were underwhelming last night, on both sides.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on March 17, 2023, 01:27:23 pm
Fisher, Owies, Motlop doesn't seem to be working out as a small forward setup and we have become too Charlie and Harry centric...
@ElwoodBlues1  I suppose when you look upfield and have twin Coleman medallists spreading it becomes a bit hard to see the other options, but I tend to agree. Not only does it hurt the smalls, by us being too predictable it doesn't help the talls either.

Last night on multiple occasions we saw BigH, Charlie, SoJ and TDK all contesting the same long slow entry marking contest, it can't possibly work. They spoil each other, the pill hits the deck, with our smalls outnumbered 2 to 1.

I've pretty much been a Voss booster until last night, but that rubbish was like watching junior footy. No smalls at the fall, no contest, Nthmond just hoover up the ground ball and run it out unopposed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on March 17, 2023, 01:31:42 pm
Not sure what people expect from our small forwards.  They all played a role and you arent going to get too much more out of your smalls than a goal or two, as well as an assist or two, a few tackles, lots of thankless running, and about 7-12 posessions.  Owies and Motlop completed that requirement from what I can tell.

We didnt win because simply, a lack of composure, too one paced, and I didn't like our inability to get out of our backline when the Tigers executed their forward press.  This was exacerbated by lack of composure at times.

We had too many non contributers across the 4 quarters and it showed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 17, 2023, 02:56:48 pm
Not sure what people expect from our small forwards.  They all played a role and you arent going to get too much more out of your smalls than a goal or two, as well as an assist or two, a few tackles, lots of thankless running, and about 7-12 posessions.  Owies and Motlop completed that requirement from what I can tell.

We didnt win because simply, a lack of composure, too one paced, and I didn't like our inability to get out of our backline when the Tigers executed their forward press.  This was exacerbated by lack of composure at times.

We had too many non contributers across the 4 quarters and it showed.
My point is Fisher, Martin and Owies were part of that non contributing group...Motlop is still a kid learning the game and gets some slack cut his way but we didnt have much energy when the ball hit the deck forward.
Look at the tackles inside 50...Fisher =0, Owies =1, Motlop= 1, Martin =2.......not a lot of chasing or desire in that lot. Thats zero pressure on the Richmond backs bringing the ball out.
Id be changing personnel, tactics and demanding goals from pressure turnovers, you couple that with poor disposal efficiency from minimal possessions and they were all passengers.
Richmond were equally as crape with their smalls down forward and old man Reiwoldt was the best leading the way with 4 tackles inside 50..he at least still has some fire in the belly.
Dusty and Cotchin had no tackles I50 between them in comparison, they are on the skids and are living off past glories, Dusty will have his moments but isnt the Dusty of old and Cotchin who if he kicked any shorter would be stubbing his toes everytime.
Like I said before I dont rate Richmond but we have plenty of work to do as well especially with our small forwards...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 17, 2023, 03:16:06 pm
We need better ground ball players forward of center. We have the air covered but when the ball hits the ground the players are not good enough imo.
Jack Graham had 20 possessions 9 tackles as half forward
Shai Boilton had 18 posessions 4 tackles as half forward
..and Dusty 23 possessions always a threat luckily we nullified his influence because we should have been blown out of the water.

In comparison to our crop - not good enough.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 17, 2023, 03:26:53 pm
We need better ground ball players forward of center. We have the air covered but when the ball hits the ground the players are not good enough imo.
Jack Graham had 20 possessions 9 tackles as half forward
Shai Boilton had 18 posessions 4 tackles as half forward
..and Dusty 23 possessions always a threat luckily we nullified his influence because we should have been blown out of the water.

In comparison to our crop - not good enough.
Best return from a Blues small forward in 2022 was Fisher with 18 goals........thats not good enough to be contenders.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on March 17, 2023, 03:30:33 pm
Jack Graham had 20 possessions 9 tackles as half forward
Fans give our lot some slack, claiming they are on the way back from injury and have to build, or they are just kids.

But last night was Jack Graham's first hit out for 2023, not a single intraclub or practise game as he had been on an injury recovery program. Straight in, and contributed, no excuses.

Just kids, tell that to Hollands.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 17, 2023, 03:54:47 pm
We need better ground ball players forward of center. We have the air covered but when the ball hits the ground the players are not good enough imo.
Jack Graham had 20 possessions 9 tackles as half forward
Shai Boilton had 18 posessions 4 tackles as half forward
..and Dusty 23 possessions always a threat luckily we nullified his influence because we should have been blown out of the water.

In comparison to our crop - not good enough.
Graham was their most influential player for mine (watching them live). At one stage he hobble off and looked gone. He got strapped, came on and continued on. His touches, bumps, tackles and assists were deft. This is what I meant in an earlier post about Jack Martin. Taranto and Rioli got a truckload of it, Graham hurt us more.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Mav on March 17, 2023, 08:06:13 pm
Stewart is being assessed by the doctors after slipping and falling awkwardly. But the turf can’t be blamed (and anyone who makes that mistake will be dealt with harshly).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Mav on March 17, 2023, 08:26:23 pm
Looks like Stewart might have a medial ligament strain. Subbed off for Parfitt.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: madbluboy on March 17, 2023, 08:34:00 pm
SDK limped off.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: madbluboy on March 17, 2023, 08:56:07 pm
Half time

Cats 74
Pies 60

We're in trouble
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 17, 2023, 09:01:31 pm
Scary standard from Cats and Pies...high skills and the pace of the game is non stop. Need a few more Cats to join Stewart on the injury list.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Mav on March 17, 2023, 09:01:41 pm
SdK might miss against us. He has returned to the bench but his knee is heavily strapped. Sometimes you can get through a game but when you cool down it hits you then. Who knows whether he’ll be able to back up …
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: shawny on March 17, 2023, 09:12:25 pm
Cats will hammer us based on what they have showed tonight. Way too clean and way too fast.
They may be old but they still have more leg speed than us.

If Hawkins Stewart SDK all miss we may get within 5 goals.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: madbluboy on March 17, 2023, 09:20:36 pm
SdK might miss against us. He has returned to the bench but his knee is heavily strapped. Sometimes you can get through a game but when you cool down it hits you then. Who knows whether he’ll be able to back up …

Weird how he did it. Running backwards and just slipped over.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 17, 2023, 09:22:36 pm
We will win
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Mav on March 17, 2023, 09:25:13 pm
Now Stengle might be out through the concussion protocol albeit he fared much better than Daniel Howe who broke his arm in the same collision.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: madbluboy on March 17, 2023, 09:32:01 pm
Howe looks like his arm just got broken by Vecna.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Mav on March 17, 2023, 09:35:39 pm
I’m happy they didn’t show a replay of it but my son is watching close up replays on the Internet like a serial killer.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Mav on March 17, 2023, 09:46:09 pm
Stengle is back out there now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: madbluboy on March 17, 2023, 09:48:22 pm
This is a physical game but I think our match had more pressure.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: madbluboy on March 17, 2023, 09:55:19 pm
Cameron was a metre off the mark but the ump wouldn't call play on so the Collingwood defender was anchored to his spot. Joke of a rule.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 18, 2023, 11:25:11 am
Geelong with their best 2 defenders down (and no longer Selwood in the middle) have got to be cherry ripe for Charlie and Harry to dominate. As long as we can clear the ball out of the middle and give them half a chance up forward.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 18, 2023, 11:39:22 am
We will win

Hope you're right, I'll be there. I agree with you and don't know why!

Based on just that first hit-out, the Dagpies have got me flummoxed. They're never out of any game. Their game style is simple and they seem to be always dangerous, no matter the score line.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 18, 2023, 11:48:50 am
Hope you're right, I'll be there. I agree with you and don't know why!

Based on just that first hit-out, the Dagpies have got me flummoxed. They're never out of any game. Their game style is simple and they seem to be always dangerous, no matter the score line.
I dont know why either but I think what I saw Thurs was a group (players and coaches) who won't give up and stay in the fight until the end irrespective of the opposition. I also think we will no longer get a massive run of unanswered goals (like Geel did last night) scored against us. I hope I'm right, its the next phase of our development/journey.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 18, 2023, 12:24:16 pm
For me some changes or tweaks are needed this week.

In Pittonet C Durdin Dow
Out Martin Owies L O'Brien

I'm assuming Moo was not injured as per the AFL stats sheet and will play who along with Dutchy held their own and stay in the side.

Martin and Owies just didn't (and dont) do enough so outski. Durds takes Owies spot. LOB did nothing wrong but he makes wake for Dow as the sub this week (reward for a good 2's performance).
We play two rucks with one resting in the fwd line to stretch the defence. With Tommy D in the fwd line, we have 3 big mobile and athletic fwds who must surely stretch defences.
PS There is Kemp to consider as well.
SOS can do SOS things and be a swingman (fwd and back not ruck) if needed.
I can see myself losing patience with Acres very quickly, he had several howlers on Thurs so first game and I'll give him a break but I expected an experienced player like that to come in firing on all cylinders not cough and splutter.
Blues by a couple in a ferocious contest with a Geel side who will be snarling.
PS there is Kemp to consider as well.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 18, 2023, 01:19:13 pm
A game of good defence was our game
A game of crap defence was last night game.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 18, 2023, 01:23:24 pm
For me some changes or tweaks are needed this week.

In Pittonet C Durdin Dow
Out Martin Owies L O'Brien

I'm assuming Moo was not injured as per the AFL stats sheet and will play who along with Dutchy held their own and stay in the side.

Martin and Owies just didn't (and dont) do enough so outski. Durds takes Owies spot. LOB did nothing wrong but he makes wake for Dow as the sub this week (reward for a good 2's performance).
We play two rucks with one resting in the fwd line to stretch the defence. With Tommy D in the fwd line, we have 3 big mobile and athletic fwds who must surely stretch defences.
PS There is Kemp to consider as well.
SOS can do SOS things and be a swingman (fwd and back not ruck) if needed.
I can see myself losing patience with Acres very quickly, he had several howlers on Thurs so first game and I'll give him a break but I expected an experienced player like that to come in firing on all cylinders not cough and splutter.
Blues by a couple in a ferocious contest with a Geel side who will be snarling.
PS there is Kemp to consider as well.

I take it that you'd like Kemp to be considered G2C  ;D

I can't really see him displacing any of our defenders from Round 1 but I think that he'd make an ideal sub.

Dow has to be a chance after his VFL performance but who would he replace?  Martin and Fisher were ordinary but our forwards didn't get many opportunities with Richmond locking the ball in their front half.  Rather than dropping a forward, perhaps we need to add some grunt to our link up players.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pew2 on March 18, 2023, 01:45:04 pm
swing the axe no more second chances ,fischer ,owens,martin out and can we try Dow as a half fwd tagging opposition quickest running defender (thought)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: rocky on March 18, 2023, 01:51:15 pm
If Dow had a good game then bring him in for Owies. Not a fan of Owies never have been and I think he's had plenty of opportunities. If not Dow then Carroll or Durdin will do. In fact bring both of them in and get rid of Martin who has been a major disappointment. Fisher isn't doing too much but his football brain gets him another crack. Maybe he needs a quick run on the ball to get him involved. Talking about football brains, O'Brien, who hasn't got one, stays as the sub.
I was ready to give Ed C the Tijuana as well but his last quarter was pretty good so maybe the run helped him? I'd give him a tagging job on Guthrie. their best player IMO.
Don't think we need Pitto in for the pussies as I don't rate their rucks and they pretty much suit TDK.
If the baby blues are fit they get another run but should be rested thereafter.
We're a real chance against the cats without Stewart maybe SDK and an underdone Hawkins. Having said that they'll probably smash us, as is normally the case.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 18, 2023, 02:18:53 pm
They wont drop Cripps mate Fisher and Martin will get another chance.....comparing last nights game to ours the leg speed difference was major. Both Richmond and us are very slow in comparison and while our game was messy and scrum like I think we need to add more leg speed so we can compete with Geelong on the outside.
re: Acres....first game, new club, new game plan, need to be patient and show some faith......going to be tested this game with Smith, Holmes and Touhy who are all dangerous goalkickers.
Id be adding Durdin if fit along with Dow and Pittonet....Id be giving Dow a job to close down a player like Holmes who has express pace and is a bit under rated in terms of what he does for Geelong imo.
Id keep Hollands and Cowan in the team but be selective who we play them on.....Weitering on Hawkins which means Young will probably have to take Cameron, and Saad on Stengle.
I'm hoping Charlie gets Ratugolea because I think he can dine out this game and kick a bag. The Geelong player takes a good mark and is a strong unit but his brain isnt wired to be a defender imo and he made some poor errors vs Collingwood that cost goals.
Blues to hang on by 7 points with Geelong coming home like a train but this time we close the game out just....
Charlie 6 goals and Harry 4........Hawkins gets spanked by Weitering who is BOG, Doc 30 possessions....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 18, 2023, 03:27:44 pm
Got spanked in the clearances mainly because Nankervis and Taranto laid almost 20 tackles between them.

Richmond was tough a game - have to be completely brutal in the clearances and lift our tackling game.

I have zero faith in our ground ball players forward of centre despite the odd good game here and there.

This part of the grounds needs an overhaul.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 18, 2023, 03:30:48 pm
I take it that you'd like Kemp to be considered G2C  ;D
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Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 18, 2023, 03:33:18 pm
I take it that you'd like Kemp to be considered G2C  ;D

I can't really see him displacing any of our defenders from Round 1 but I think that he'd make an ideal sub.

Dow has to be a chance after his VFL performance but who would he replace?  Martin and Fisher were ordinary but our forwards didn't get many opportunities with Richmond locking the ball in their front half.  Rather than dropping a forward, perhaps we need to add some grunt to our link up players.


Of Martin, Owies and FIsher (all very poor Thu night), I'd retain Fisher for his ability to go into the center square at times, no other reason. Dow should be rewarded, Kemp has size, speed and strength to play anywhere on the ground.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: tonyo on March 18, 2023, 04:37:01 pm
A game of good defence was our game
A game of crap defence was last night game.


Last night, the delivery into the forward lines was supreme.  Carlton and especially Richmond squandered lots of chances with crap ball use.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 18, 2023, 06:57:50 pm
Last night, the delivery into the forward lines was supreme.  Carlton and especially Richmond squandered lots of chances with crap ball use.
I tend to think we squander more easy shot than entries though. The accuracy last night was insane.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 18, 2023, 08:47:18 pm
I tend to think we squander more easy shot than entries though. The accuracy last night was insane.
Accuracy and skills...disposal skills of both teams were the best I have seen for seasons....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: WASurfer on March 19, 2023, 01:06:38 pm
Kemp probably a better sub option than Dow.....if Dow comes in, he should be in the 22, not the sub. Kemp has a bit more flexibility. Not sure what his pre-season form is like but he's the type of player who will fit the sub mould.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 19, 2023, 01:15:05 pm
Accuracy and skills...disposal skills of both teams were the best I have seen for seasons....

Yep, but that's what you get with little defensive pressure. Our game was all defensive pressure/locking the ball in. Must say the Pussycats v Dagpies game was great to watch. Very entertaining with all those goals.

The only time our defensive pressure waned cost us 3 unanswered Tigger goals... which cost us the game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Macca37 on March 19, 2023, 02:19:48 pm
Yep, but that's what you get with little defensive pressure. Our game was all defensive pressure/locking the ball in. Must say the Pussycats v Dagpies game was great to watch. Very entertaining with all those goals.

The only time our defensive pressure waned cost us 3 unanswered Tigger goals... which cost us the game.

I'm more inclined to blame our midfield players for those goals.  They applied no pressure at the centre bounces and consequently the Richmond mids swept the ball straight into their forward line.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 19, 2023, 03:31:19 pm
Yep, but that's what you get with little defensive pressure. Our game was all defensive pressure/locking the ball in. Must say the Pussycats v Dagpies game was great to watch. Very entertaining with all those goals.

The only time our defensive pressure waned cost us 3 unanswered Tigger goals... which cost us the game.
Both teams skills were poor which led to a scrum type game and created that pressure imho. Delivery into both teams forward lines was terrible and when it was ok we managed to slip over or drop the mark. Looked like a game between two midpack teams...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: JonDorotich on March 19, 2023, 03:46:15 pm
I’d love to give Dow a go and I’m not convinced that he can’t play the role that either Owies or Martin play equally well (I’d argue probably better).  Dow can spend time as a high half forward and can also attend some centre bounces.

As others have said, Corey Durdin for Owies is relatively clear.

I’d go with Pittonet (subject to fitness), Durdin and Dow IN and Silvagni, Owies and Martin OUT. Fisher on notice that he will be replaced by Honey if his output doesn’t improve.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 19, 2023, 04:33:19 pm

As others have said, Corey Durdin for Owies is relatively clear.

Not if he hasn't played a praccy game yet. Has to come through the reserves IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on March 19, 2023, 04:49:07 pm
As others have said, Corey Durdin for Owies is relatively clear.
I think Owies is well ahead of Fisher and Martin if there is any justice.

Personally, I doubt outside of injuries or soreness if there will be many changes for Rnd 2.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 19, 2023, 05:24:55 pm
I think Owies is well ahead of Fisher and Martin if there is any justice.

Personally, I doubt outside of injuries or soreness if there will be many changes for Rnd 2.

I think you're right LP.

The blokes who are being criticised for not having an impact were starved of opportunities by our inability to transition out of defence.  With the exception of Harry, we didn't have a marking target or even someone who could halve a contest when we were forced to kick long.  Having two newbies at the coalface probably didn't help either (not that I think Hollands and Cowan shouldn't have played).  They'll be better for the experience and a few tweaks to our structure and transition should mean more opportunities for our forwards.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 19, 2023, 06:34:24 pm
I think Owies is well ahead of Fisher and Martin if there is any justice.

Personally, I doubt outside of injuries or soreness if there will be many changes for Rnd 2.

Then we will be very disappointed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on March 19, 2023, 06:59:20 pm
I'm more inclined to blame our midfield players for those goals.  They applied no pressure at the centre bounces and consequently the Richmond mids swept the ball straight into their forward line.

I think that's true, but I wouldn't underestimate Richmond's quality. They were 1st in points for last season and 4th in percentage. There's nothing that I can see that suggests they are worse off this season than last. If they can iron out a little flakiness and lack of polish in losing games they should win, they are still very capable IMO. That was a tough game against quality opposition IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on March 19, 2023, 08:31:47 pm
I think you're right LP.

The blokes who are being criticised for not having an impact were starved of opportunities by our inability to transition out of defence.
@DJC  Yep, we put the forward half in deep hibernation, you can't blame them for that, and our efficiency from F50 entries wasn't bad at all.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 19, 2023, 09:20:22 pm
I think that's true, but I wouldn't underestimate Richmond's quality. They were 1st in points for last season and 4th in percentage. There's nothing that I can see that suggests they are worse off this season than last. If they can iron out a little flakiness and lack of polish in losing games they should win, they are still very capable IMO. That was a tough game against quality opposition IMO.

Ditto - a quality outfit failed to win in front of their home fans - they played as a unit and had no passengers other than the finish.

We can take alot out of that game no doubt about it. Time and time again our forward of center ground ball players were just no where near our talls. Not working hard enough to lock the ball in.

Dow is an interesting proposition a talent that doesnt chase and tackle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Macca37 on March 20, 2023, 12:00:55 am
I think that's true, but I wouldn't underestimate Richmond's quality. They were 1st in points for last season and 4th in percentage. There's nothing that I can see that suggests they are worse off this season than last. If they can iron out a little flakiness and lack of polish in losing games they should win, they are still very capable IMO. That was a tough game against quality opposition IMO.

I agree with you.  In addition, their midfield played with the same intensity for the whole game - which tends to highlight our problem.

In this game, as with so many last year,  we showed an inability to concentrate for the entirety of the game.  Lapses in concentration ranging from 5 to 15 minutes seem to be standard practice for us, and we invariably allow easy goals against us and/or bring the other side back into the game.

I don't know what the answer is but until there is a solution we won't overcome the top teams.



Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 20, 2023, 08:24:22 am
I think you're right LP.

The blokes who are being criticised for not having an impact were starved of opportunities by our inability to transition out of defence.  With the exception of Harry, we didn't have a marking target or even someone who could halve a contest when we were forced to kick long.  Having two newbies at the coalface probably didn't help either (not that I think Hollands and Cowan shouldn't have played).  They'll be better for the experience and a few tweaks to our structure and transition should mean more opportunities for our forwards.

Disagree on that one, David. Quality small forwards create opportunities from limited opportunities. If they rely on silver platter service from up the field we are in strife. Owies and Martin were particularly disappointing as is too often the case. Small Durds is a type who creates goals from nothing, as does Motlop.

I cut Fisher some slack as he is being played as something of a square peg in a round hole... his best is seen on the ball. He aint a small forward no matter how hard we try to make him one. Likewise, JSOS is cut some slack as he's not being given the opportunity to ply his craft in his best suited position.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 20, 2023, 08:37:49 am
I dont think Fish deserves to be cut any slack tbh. We had to bring in Hewett and Cerra because Fish didnt cut the mustard in the midfield. I think he is our best small forward albeit very flaky and inconsistent.
I dont think we could afford to depend on Fish in a grand final and we need to find or unearth players that we can depend on.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 20, 2023, 10:13:02 am
Disagree on that one, David. Quality small forwards create opportunities from limited opportunities. If they rely on silver platter service from up the field we are in strife. Owies and Martin were particularly disappointing as is too often the case. Small Durds is a type who creates goals from nothing, as does Motlop.

I cut Fisher some slack as he is being played as something of a square peg in a round hole... his best is seen on the ball. He aint a small forward no matter how hard we try to make him one. Likewise, JSOS is cut some slack as he's not being given the opportunity to ply his craft in his best suited position.

45 inside 50s to 66 Shane.  Our forwards deserve credit for exceptional efficiency from very limited opportunities.  Similarly, they can’t really be criticised for the lack of tackles inside 50 if the ball was rarely in there.

Of course, small forwards have to work up the ground and Motlop, Martin and Owies did that, but with limited impact.  I can’t say the same for Fisher and I can’t understand how a player can go for half a game without racking up one stat.  I don’t think that can be put down to following the coach’s instructions, “Whatever you do Fish, don’t touch the footy, don’t try to tackle, shepherd or spoil a marking attempt.  Just run around and stay out of everyone’s way!”

The thing with Fisher is that he’ll probably play well in the next game but not as a midfielder … let’s hope so 🤞
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on March 20, 2023, 10:22:14 am
Yep, surely if you aren't winning the footy yourself there should be some tackles happening, at least that would prove you are chasing someone who might drop it!

This is why I like Owies over some of our other small forwards, he actually tries to force turnovers or defend a bit. He might not be as effective at tackling as players like SoJ or Cottrell but he does at least make an effort. Some of the others just seem to be fully disinterested in working hard when we aren't in possession, you can even catch them turning their back on play to jog back towards F50, that leaves the turnovers up to somebody else.

When you watch the Nthmond small forwards, first they help force the error then they instantly switch to becoming a link or a target, they just do not sit back waiting for somebody else to win the footy when it's not in Nthmond's possession.

The Cats play a bit of a different style of game and it's interesting to hear Scott's complaints about the surface, because I had to wonder if our own game was low quality on skills due to a shifting or uneven MCG surface. The Cats rely less on run and gun type linking and more heavily on forcing the turnover followed by precise feet, once they get the footy they complete F50 entries with high reliability. Surface quality can have a big impact on that if players are unstable when disposing.

We are relatively average by foot, add a bit of instability and we become pretty ordinary by comparison to other teams.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on March 20, 2023, 11:59:44 am
Also, I want to offer an opinion for judging players and their output. 

Don't forget to look at players ToG% when judging how well they did. 

Fisher out of all the players not subbed, spent the shortest time on field.  Was there an issue with him we didn't know about?  Not to excuse his output, but 67% time on ground, means he was on for 2 and roughly 1 thirds of a quarter, which is still ample time to impact the game, but what was his role?  How did his direct opponent go? 

These are the questions I always consider when rating someones game.  I thought Owies wasnt as bad as advertised either and with a bit more luck, he would have had 2 goals instead of his one. Owies only had 70% time on ground too. 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: WASurfer on March 20, 2023, 04:36:37 pm
Does Ed hold his place this week as a tagger/run-with role.....or does Dow come in for him?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 20, 2023, 04:39:06 pm
Does Ed hold his place this week as a tagger/run-with role.....or does Dow come in for him?

I reckon Ed holds his spot and Dow could come in to replace a few others based on Thursday night's game and his (Dow's) effort in the Magoos.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on March 20, 2023, 08:17:29 pm
Does Ed hold his place this week as a tagger/run-with role.....or does Dow come in for him?
Ed was pretty quiet early, but he stepped up when the heat was on. He needs more match time, not more bench time.
Dow has probably done enough to get a go: 4 goals and lots of clearances, with at least a couple of those clearances resulting in goals. That has to make an impact.

The question about who goes out is probably more in Fisher's court, or Jack Martin's, for that matter. Both underperformed significantly. They need to step up. Dow has some runs on the board now: they need to get some too if they are to remain in the starting lineup.
To be honest, I think we play well when Fisher plays well, and having Martin fire gives us an extra dimension, but neither of them is anywhere near as consistent as we really require.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on March 20, 2023, 08:25:57 pm
Ed's is experienced, remains focussed, won't surrender no matter how bad things get, he is still an A-Grade stopper.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: JonDorotich on March 20, 2023, 09:02:11 pm
Ed's is experienced, remains focussed, won't surrender no matter how bad things get, he is still an A-Grade stopper.

Ed is a great stopper and seems like a great bloke, but when he kicks the footy it’s only by chance that the ball will find its way to a teammate. I don’t think we can be playing Ed Curnow and expect to push deep into the finals.

As we did with Casboult we need to move forward and inject some talent and speed into the line up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: shawny on March 20, 2023, 09:04:14 pm
Ed is a great stopper and seems like a great bloke, but when he kicks the footy it’s only by chance that the ball will find its way to a teammate. I don’t think we can be playing Ed Curnow and expect to push deep into the finals.

As we did with Casboult we need to move forward and inject some talent and speed into the line up.

Agree.

I wonder how much having Charlie there helps Ed’s treatment.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 20, 2023, 09:20:47 pm
Agree.

I wonder how much having Charlie there helps Ed’s treatment.
I think its helped although Ed is in his last season imho but Im sure the club will keep him around in some role.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 20, 2023, 09:25:43 pm
Ed's is experienced, remains focussed, won't surrender no matter how bad things get, he is still an A-Grade stopper.

Ed’s work on Prestia in the last quarter was instrumental in us getting up for the draw.

His disposal efficiency isn’t great but that’s not uncommon for in and under players.  Of course, disposal efficiency doesn’t really mean what most punters think and many of Ed’s disposals create opportunities for teammates.

ABC radio reported concerns about a hand injury to George Hewett in the post-game and it seems that it may be more serious than first thought.  If that’s right, Dow could come in for Georgie.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 20, 2023, 10:09:31 pm
Ed’s work on Prestia in the last quarter was instrumental in us getting up for the draw.

His disposal efficiency isn’t great but that’s not uncommon for in and under players.  Of course, disposal efficiency doesn’t really mean what most punters think and many of Ed’s disposals create opportunities for teammates.

ABC radio reported concerns about a hand injury to George Hewett in the post-game and it seems that it may be more serious than first thought.  If that’s right, Dow could come in for Georgie.


We cannot afford to lose George.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 20, 2023, 10:24:10 pm
We cannot afford to lose George.

Yep, Paddy < Georgie
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on March 21, 2023, 09:27:36 am
Ed Curnow isnt the greatest player on earth but you know you are going to get 4 quarters of unbridled workrate and commitment to each and every contest.  Our first goal (Fisher) was Ed working to the front of a marking contest and roving the ball drop before handing off.

He is the type of player that gets to 300 games and no one talks about, but is a heart and soul player.  We have had a habit of flinging them off the list in the past just to go for the bright shiny uncommitted draft pick whos heart isnt in it, and IMHO, its these types of players that instil the very culture that takes you to a flag.

Get rid of him at our own peril IMHO. 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 21, 2023, 10:46:54 am
Ed Curnow isnt the greatest player on earth but you know you are going to get 4 quarters of unbridled workrate and commitment to each and every contest.  Our first goal (Fisher) was Ed working to the front of a marking contest and roving the ball drop before handing off.

He is the type of player that gets to 300 games and no one talks about, but is a heart and soul player.  We have had a habit of flinging them off the list in the past just to go for the bright shiny uncommitted draft pick whos heart isnt in it, and IMHO, its these types of players that instil the very culture that takes you to a flag.

Get rid of him at our own peril IMHO.

I think that Ed got the extra year because Vossy values the attributes you mentioned Thry.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on March 21, 2023, 11:05:28 am
Ed Curnow simply needs to stick to what he's good at, and avoid the rest. So long as that happens, he should be fine. He's not a playmaker, not a distributor, not a finisher, and should leave those duties to others.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: tonyo on March 21, 2023, 11:53:07 am
Ed Curnow simply needs to stick to what he's good at, and avoid the rest. So long as that happens, he should be fine. He's not a playmaker, not a distributor, not a finisher, and should leave those duties to others.
Ed Curnow gets Isaac Smith this week......
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on March 21, 2023, 12:20:34 pm
Ed Curnow gets Isaac Smith this week......

I think Ed will be spoilt for choice : Dangerfield, Cam Guthrie, Smith as you say, Max Holmes.........a few players that need close checking IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 21, 2023, 01:10:41 pm
Our mids won't face Nankervis and Taranto laying 20 tackles between them in clearances.

Our mids really need to stamp their authority on this one and give our backs a chop out for a week.

Good game for TDK to shine.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 21, 2023, 03:13:10 pm
I think Ed will be spoilt for choice : Dangerfield, Cam Guthrie, Smith as you say, Max Holmes.........a few players that need close checking IMO.

I reckon that we would probably have a few more players that need close checking ... not that Geelong usually bother with that.  I imagine that it will just be players going head to head with Ed getting a run with role if one of the Geelong prime movers is doing too miuch damage.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 21, 2023, 03:37:13 pm
Our mids won't face Nankervis and Taranto laying 20 tackles between them in clearances.

Our mids really need to stamp their authority on this one and give our backs a chop out for a week.

Good game for TDK to shine audition for.
EFA
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 21, 2023, 04:21:03 pm
Ed Curnow gets Isaac Smith this week......
I think Acres has to get Smith, we recruited him to play on the taller wingers and he owes us a good game after being very average last week.
I'd save Ed for Dangerfield, Guthrie will probably tag Cripps at stoppages then run off him. Going to be a real chess game of moves...hopefully Hewett plays and can help Cripps and Kennedy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: WASurfer on March 21, 2023, 04:23:45 pm
IMO I'd have Pittonet/Dow in for Martin and maybe Owies.....and leave Fisher and Motlop as the small forwards....Dow as the extra midfielder. JSOS can play forward/mid and not worry about getting smashed around the ground trying to ruck.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on March 21, 2023, 04:29:26 pm
The Geelong outs will certainly help, and do give us a better chance, but I still think they'll be too strong. Cats by 2 goals.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 21, 2023, 05:28:20 pm
Dow could come in for Georgie.

Reckon Walsh is half a chance too. Even if he is on crutches, you'd pick him over Dow wouldn't you.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Mav on March 21, 2023, 05:35:15 pm
On crutches with a back injury? Hell no!

This is different to the ligament replacement last year. As we found out, as soon as it was inserted, his ankle was good to go, at least after the swelling caused by the keyhole surgery abated. No such luck with back injuries. Leave him be until he’s fully over it and then wait another week or 2 to make sure he won’t have a relapse.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 21, 2023, 05:43:34 pm
Reckon Walsh is half a chance too. Even if he is on crutches, you'd pick him over Dow wouldn't you.
Id be playing Dow and showing some faith in him....put him on a like for like player in Holmes and give him the job of running with him and show he can handle responsibility and be a reliable senior player.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 21, 2023, 06:18:58 pm
On crutches with a back injury? Hell no!

This is different to the ligament replacement last year. As we found out, as soon as it was inserted, his ankle was good to go, at least after the swelling caused by the keyhole surgery abated. No such luck with back injuries. Leave him be until he’s fully over it and then wait another week or 2 to make sure he won’t have a relapse.
If there was a 'crutch' equivalent to a back injury i would've used it. There wasn't a realistic equivalent.

Even if you rest him for the rest of the year (like we'd done with Gov and Durdin) it doesn't mean your back will come good or not.
Walsh has a history of being a good, quick healer and an excellent preperation. If he is 90% right, he'd be better value to us than Dow at 100%.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 21, 2023, 07:35:04 pm
Reckon Walsh is half a chance too. Even if he is on crutches, you'd pick him over Dow wouldn't you.

Why are people so unkind?

 :)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: JonDorotich on March 21, 2023, 08:26:03 pm
Id be playing Dow and showing some faith in him....put him on a like for like player in Holmes and give him the job of running with him and show he can handle responsibility and be a reliable senior player.

I like this - back the guy in for at least 2 games, he has good pace from stoppages and he has shown that he’s prepared to keep working hard despite our coach not rating him highly. He has good character, keeps turning up in the twos and is resilient and for those reasons alone I’d give him a run.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 21, 2023, 08:34:48 pm
Love to see Dow get a run this week - I will be mostly curious whether he has learnt to chase and tackle after six years.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 21, 2023, 08:50:14 pm
Love to see Dow get a run this week - I will be mostly curious whether he has learnt to chase and tackle after six years.
You know what, I just want him to get a chance and do the role he gets asked to do. If it includes chase and tackle, great. If its to hit the scoreboard, great. If its to run with and negate a player, great. Whatever, use him to his strengths, don't try and make him something he is not. He cannot possibly be a bigger liability that Martin, Owies or Fisher right now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: tonyo on March 22, 2023, 09:23:23 am
You know what, I just want him to get a chance and do the role he gets asked to do. If it includes chase and tackle, great. If its to hit the scoreboard, great. If its to run with and negate a player, great. Whatever, use him to his strengths, don't try and make him something he is not. He cannot possibly be a bigger liability that Martin, Owies or Fisher right now.
I think Paddy D needs an extended stay in the 1s - he is fit, he can run, and he just needs the confidence of being selected.  Reminds me a bit of Darcy Parish who went from dud to stud in the space of 12 months.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Micky0 on March 22, 2023, 10:59:40 am
I think Paddy D needs an extended stay in the 1s - he is fit, he can run, and he just needs the confidence of being selected.  Reminds me a bit of Darcy Parish who went from dud to stud in the space of 12 months.
Totally agree - give the kid a good go!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2023, 03:31:16 pm
Totally agree - give the kid a good go!

We all said the same thing last year. He came into the 1's, eventually, and stunk it up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 05:54:40 pm
They are going to name two debutants plus 2 injured players, thats what they think of us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 22, 2023, 06:08:23 pm
They are going to name two debutants plus 2 injured players, thats what they think of us.
We have no excuses then....Bowes is a decent player and the kid Whyte has a nice left foot and did well pre season in the practice games
so I presume those two will be in...
I think we can win in a close one like I said before....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 22, 2023, 06:14:29 pm
We've got our tickets and be going to this one.
Think it will be a big crowd and Geelong will need to face the Carlton Roar!

Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 06:17:30 pm
Hewitt out
C Durds in
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Mav on March 22, 2023, 06:17:54 pm
George Hewitt failed a fitness test because of a hand injury according to Ch 7.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2023, 06:20:13 pm
Rumours of Mirkov to debut?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 22, 2023, 06:21:06 pm
Hewitt out

 :(
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: BluePhantom on March 22, 2023, 06:23:26 pm
Gee, you know you have depth when Saad starts on the bench? :o
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 22, 2023, 06:24:22 pm
Gee, you know you have depth when Saad starts on the bench? :o

Doc to be play midfield ?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2023, 06:24:34 pm
IN: C. Durdin
OUT: Hewitt

Sub from: Honey, LOB, Pittonet, Plowman
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: BluePhantom on March 22, 2023, 06:25:13 pm
I know it's old school but instead of McKay being shown in the forward pocket I would prefer him written in at CHF. Just looks better. ;D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 06:26:19 pm
Still no Pittonet
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on March 22, 2023, 06:33:31 pm
Hewett goes out, and still no Dow ? Even for those like me who hoped for better, I think we have to accept his papers are pretty much stamped.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 06:34:02 pm
Hewett goes out, and still no Dow ? Even for those like me who hoped for better, I think we have to accept his papers are pretty much stamped.
Seems that way. Martin, Fisher, Owies survive, must have pictures of MC members in compromising positions.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 22, 2023, 06:35:13 pm
Hewett goes out, and still no Dow ? Even for those like me who hoped for better, I think we have to accept his papers are pretty much stamped.

Yep....

Needs a small miracle but still anything can happen he has the raw talent that has stayed raw and hasn't developed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 06:39:19 pm
Coaches and MC better not forget that Carlton will do Carlton things when results dont go our way.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: townsendcalling on March 22, 2023, 06:40:15 pm
I think that there is a genuine consensus that there is a 'need for speed' against Geelong. Don't know if you can have LOB on the pine 2 weeks in a row...... Might be The Plow with the idea to release DOC into the midfield at the death. Pure speculation!!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 06:41:46 pm
Plow vs Geel = Canon fodder of the Geel fwds.

This is an important game, to be taken seriously we need to be able to beat these sides. Preseason talk about lists, potential etc is over, crap got real last Thurs. Geel may be weakened but we just got worse with Hewett out. I can't help but feeling going on with one Ruck against this mob is a mistake.

I thought we would win this one in a close one, I think the tide has now swung the Premiers way.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 22, 2023, 06:45:53 pm
Still no Pittonet
Maybe the Geelong style rucks dont suit as they are very mobile....we should have played him vs the slower Nankervis.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 22, 2023, 06:45:56 pm
Geelong are one of the most efficient teams moving the ball to their forward 50 btw and last week showed we are a mile away from their level.

Nothing is going to change here. Debutants or not - we have our work cut out/
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 22, 2023, 06:49:19 pm
Seems that way. Martin, Fisher, Owies survive, must have pictures of MC members in compromising positions.
Not really a surprise, if we lose this week and our small forwards are again impotent Id expect changes for GWS but given its the start of the season you have to give players a second chance. Im tipping Martin and Motlop might have decent games this week...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: rocky on March 22, 2023, 06:49:26 pm
Worse than the Hewett news, Umpire 22 has been selected for our match  >:(
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Macca37 on March 22, 2023, 06:51:40 pm
Plow vs Geel = Canon fodder of the Geel fwds.

This is an important game, to be taken seriously we need to be able to beat these sides. Preseason talk about lists, potential etc is over, crap got real last Thurs. Geel may be weakened but we just got worse with Hewett out. I can't help but feeling going on with one Ruck against this mob is a mistake.

It is a mistake, but who have we got to come in?  Other than Kreuzer, have we had a decent ruckman this century?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: BluePhantom on March 22, 2023, 06:57:55 pm
Worse than the Hewett news, Umpire 22 has been selected for our match  >:(

I wanted to 'report post' for this outrages comment.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Lods on March 22, 2023, 07:05:00 pm
It's  a sad state of affairs that it's come to this. Bigfooty and Facebook are now the go to pages for injury news. ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 07:08:02 pm
It is a mistake, but who have we got to come in?  Other than Kreuzer, have we had a decent ruckman this century?
Our no 1 and 2 rucks and Tom and Pitto, that's who should play.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 22, 2023, 07:23:14 pm
Seems that way. Martin, Fisher, Owies survive, must have pictures of MC members in compromising positions.

Those 3 should buy a Tattslotto ticket. I hope they're on notice - another ordinary performance and you're out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 22, 2023, 07:23:41 pm
It's  a sad state of affairs that it's come to this. Bigfooty and Facebook are now the go to pages for injury news. ::)

Agree. Embarrassing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2023, 07:25:00 pm
It is a mistake, but who have we got to come in?  Other than Kreuzer, have we had a decent ruckman this century?
Sauce Jacobs says hi.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 22, 2023, 07:25:49 pm
Worse than the Hewett news, Umpire 22 has been selected for our match  >:(

I wouldn't worry, ump 22 has been pretty good in our more recent games.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2023, 07:26:51 pm
I wouldn't worry, ump 22 has been pretty good in our more recent games.

.....and that sets him up for his most dodgy umpiring display yet!

Way to jinx us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Macca37 on March 22, 2023, 07:29:05 pm
Sauce Jacobs says hi.


Thanks, Kruddler.  My memory is starting to fade with the passage of time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: bricky on March 22, 2023, 07:29:33 pm
From the Age: Carlton’s Jack Martin is expected to be a late withdrawal for the Blues’ clash with Geelong on Thursday night because of a calf complaint.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: JonDorotich on March 22, 2023, 07:29:36 pm
If the club has absolutely no intention of playing Dow why didn’t they trade or delist him? Outside looking in, it’s very strange that a guy that kicks 4 in the twos playing on ball can’t get a game when two of our prime midfielders are out and we lack pace??

Hewett out is probably too much against the Cats. I’ll be there but tipping we’ll struggle.





Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 07:30:01 pm
Those 3 should buy a Tattslotto ticket. I hope they're on notice - another ordinary performance and you're out.
The MC has sent a message that sub par performances are acceptable.
Ill predict that between the three of them:
  no more than 4 tackles
  1 or 2 goals
  They be missing for large chunks of the game
  Martin will do some sort of soft tissue injury
Then they'll do it all again the following week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 07:31:07 pm
From the Age: Carlton’s Jack Martin is expected to be a late withdrawal for the Blues’ clash with Geelong on Thursday night because of a calf complaint.
So my prediction was early
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: BluePhantom on March 22, 2023, 07:32:09 pm
Dear Footy Gods,
as a long suffering Carlton supporter I think it is only fair you stop giving our players injuries.
If we could play with a full strength side then I think my suffering will end.
Can you please consider my request.
Go Blues
BluePhantom
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 07:35:39 pm
Ferrari and Carlton, my teams frustrate the living fark out of me.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Professer E on March 22, 2023, 07:36:21 pm
If Martin has done a calf....stick a fork in him he's done.

No George....in a word...####
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 07:42:10 pm
If Martin has done a calf....stick a fork in him he's done.

No George....in a word...####
By comparison, did you see Hawkins on the news at training? Both calves strapped with bandages, could barely walk, named to play and will probably kick a bag.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2023, 07:46:46 pm
By comparison, did you see Hawkins on the news at training? Both calves strapped with bandages, could barely walk, named to play and will probably kick a bag.
Just chatting with geelong mate of mine who is all over late outs.

Reckons both Hawkins and SDK are 50-50.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Professer E on March 22, 2023, 07:47:52 pm
Won't matter
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: bricky on March 22, 2023, 07:50:47 pm
Won't matter
Tend to agree
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 22, 2023, 07:52:01 pm
Id take Honey over Martin every day of the week tbh
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on March 22, 2023, 07:56:19 pm
Durdin in, George Out is an interesting move.

Expectation:  Curnow and Fisher to spend less time forward and more on ball.  Will only help us.  Fisher is way better further up the ground.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 07:59:24 pm
Id take Honey over Martin every day of the week tbh
I liken that to choosing between a kick in the nuts or a hot stick in the eye.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: pinot on March 22, 2023, 08:03:05 pm
anxiety for this game intensifying.
must win game I reckon. Lets hope the lads does the club justice and knock over the retirement village.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 08:08:39 pm
anxiety for this game intensifying.
must win game I reckon. Lets hope the lads does the club justice and knock over the retirement village.
I was confident over the weekend, the confidence eroded away today when the selection news came out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 22, 2023, 08:28:07 pm
It's  a sad state of affairs that it's come to this. Bigfooty and Facebook are now the go to pages for injury news. ::)

I thought Vossy was very open about Hewett’s chances of playing.   No ducks or drakes were within cooee.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on March 22, 2023, 08:36:07 pm
Backs: Nic Newman  Lewis Young  Lachie Cowan
Half-backs:  Sam Docherty  Jacob Weitering  Mitch McGovern
Centreline:  Blake Acres  Patrick Cripps  Ed Curnow
Half-forwards:  Jack Martin  Zac Fisher  Jack Silvagni
Forwards:  Corey Durdin  Charlie Curnow  Harry McKay
Followers:  Tom De Koning  Adam Cerra  Matthew Kennedy
Interchange:  Ollie Hollands  Jesse Motlop  Matthew Owies  Adam Saad
Emergencies:  Josh Honey  Lochie O'Brien  Marc Pittonet  Lachie Plowman

I am surprised and disappointed that none of our down players from last week have been dropped.
I am happy to see Corey Durdin in, assuming he is 100 %. He hasn't played yet.
I find leaving out Pittonet very difficult to understand. Geelong are vulnerable to a top ruckman, and we haven't include our best tap ruck.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on March 22, 2023, 08:42:03 pm
No Walsh and no Hewett will be a bridge too far IMO. Nathan Williamson a massive in for the Cats.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 09:25:20 pm
No Walsh and no Hewett will be a bridge too far IMO. Nathan Williamson a massive in for the Cats.
I think the umpiring has been of a very good std in rnd 1, the extra ump seems to have worked pretty well week one (I went to our game and watched almost every other game on TV). I personally don't subscribe to the notion of umpires favouring teams (despite that horrendous game Williamson had against us v West Coast all those years ago).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 09:49:38 pm
Sticks on The Front Bar. What a legend.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: shawny on March 22, 2023, 10:03:37 pm
From the Age: Carlton’s Jack Martin is expected to be a late withdrawal for the Blues’ clash with Geelong on Thursday night because of a calf complaint.

Nah impossible.  He usually so resilient and lasts at least 2 weeks before breaking down.

Seriously this bloke should be put in the bin.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2023, 10:08:23 pm
Nah impossible.  He usually so resilient and lasts at least 2 weeks before breaking down.

Seriously this bloke should be put in the bin.
There is a gulf, no wait an ocean, between this bloke's best and worst. Could have been anything, will probably amount to nothing by the time his career is done (which might come sooner than he thinks at this rate).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Lods on March 22, 2023, 10:47:32 pm

I thought Vossy was very open about Hewett’s chances of playing.   No ducks or drakes were within cooee.
He was...but where and when did you first hear that Hewett had a hand injury that might force him out.
I'm not being critical of the club. I'm one who doesn't care if they're a bit vague about injuries. But there was a time when the media broke the injury news. The point I was making is that while BF and Facebook are often (rightly) rubbished for some of the drivel. They often have the breaking stories first. Such information though should always be treated with a bit of caution until it's confirmed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LoveNavy on March 22, 2023, 11:06:51 pm
Worse than the Hewett news, Umpire 22 has been selected for our match  >:(

That's terrible news. Although I recall he gave us a reasonable run in our last meeting
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LoveNavy on March 22, 2023, 11:15:31 pm
What does Dow need to do to get a game? He kicked 4 and assisted the winning goal in the 2's.

2 injured mids and our sm/med forwards were down. There's speculation too that one of those fwds will be a late out. (Martin)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: shawny on March 22, 2023, 11:46:16 pm
What does Dow need to do to get a game? He kicked 4 and assisted the winning goal in the 2's.

2 injured mids and our sm/med forwards were down. There's speculation too that one of those fwds will be a late out. (Martin)


While I agree as fans and me included we see the stats and think he must be rewarded with a game however when you look back at his career his ability to win the ball in 2nds was never an issue it’s his complete lack of a defensive game that I think holds him back. There is no other reason that makes any sense.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Thryleon on March 23, 2023, 09:17:46 am
There will be some late changes tonight.  No point going in with the guys from the land of the giants if its going to be greasy and an unstable surface.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 23, 2023, 09:32:50 am
There will be some late changes tonight.  No point going in with the guys from the land of the giants if its going to be greasy and an unstable surface.
Dow?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: madbluboy on March 23, 2023, 09:33:22 am
While I agree as fans and me included we see the stats and think he must be rewarded with a game however when you look back at his career his ability to win the ball in 2nds was never an issue it’s his complete lack of a defensive game that I think holds him back. There is no other reason that makes any sense.

It's actually his disposal efficiency, it's poor.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Lods on March 23, 2023, 09:59:42 am

Just watching the morning news and melbourne looks like it's about to get slammed by a huge storm. Hopefully that weather is gone by tonight.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 23, 2023, 10:05:10 am
Confused. Vossy talked of Pitto needing more game time fitness, yet small Durds, without any game time, comes straight in (which I am wrapped with, but...). I can only assume that leaving out Pitto is based on our best ruck combo being TDK & JSOS and this excludes Pitto (based on opposition rucks?).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 23, 2023, 10:12:08 am
Just watching the morning news and melbourne looks like it's about to get slammed by a huge storm. Hopefully that weather is gone by tonight.
Been and gone...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on March 23, 2023, 10:15:24 am
I commented on that in a post that disappeared into cyberspace las night. I cannot believe that Corey Durdin is ready and Pitto is not.
Besides, if we are to beat Geelong, we need to get first use of the ball. Without Pitto, that becomes less likely.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 23, 2023, 10:32:29 am
He was...but where and when did you first hear that Hewett had a hand injury that might force him out.
I'm not being critical of the club. I'm one who doesn't care if they're a bit vague about injuries. But there was a time when the media broke the injury news. The point I was making is that while BF and Facebook are often (rightly) rubbished for some of the drivel. They often have the breaking stories first. Such information though should always be treated with a bit of caution until it's confirmed.

Hewett’s injury was discussed on ABC radio in the rooms after the game.

It wasn’t mentioned in the weekly injury update (21 March) but the severity of the injury wasn’t established until training yesterday.

I think that the club should provide an injury update, as it has done in the recent past, early in the week.  Including George as “test” would have been appropriate.  The only problem is that Jack Martin would be a “test” every week 🙄
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 23, 2023, 10:36:08 am
Confused. Vossy talked of Pitto needing more game time fitness, yet small Durds, without any game time, comes straight in (which I am wrapped with, but...). I can only assume that leaving out Pitto is based on our best ruck combo being TDK & JSOS and this excludes Pitto (based on opposition rucks?).

I guess we don’t see what players are or aren’t doing at training.

I was a tad surprised at small Durd’s inclusion.  Presumably Ed will take George’s midfield role and Corey will take Ed’s half forward spot.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: madbluboy on March 23, 2023, 10:42:40 am
Been and gone...

Another one is coming
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on March 23, 2023, 10:45:58 am
Should be clear by tonight, but I wonder what it means for the fragmented playing surface?

We might as well get use to the MCG being less than ideal, no matter what they do with a little bit of artificial light here and there, the timing of Ed Sheeran's concert probably means that the surface won't fully recover until after the AFL season.

I heard a disturbing report/rumor, that the MCG are doing a bit of an Augusta to make things look perfect. That is the very late relaying of the surface and  immediate use means that this has caused some patchy degradation, and they have been using a green dye to make it look more uniform. I hope that is not true!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 23, 2023, 10:47:41 am
Should be clear by tonight, but I wonder what it means for the fragmented playing surface?

We might as well get use to the MCG being less than ideal, no matter what they do with a little bit of artificial light here and there, the timing of Ed Sherran's concert probably means that the surface won't be fully recover until after spring.

The joins will be the issue.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on March 23, 2023, 10:52:06 am
The joins will be the issue.
Yes, sorry you got me still editing my post.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 23, 2023, 11:00:29 am
It should have been Sherrin, not Sheeran 🙂
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on March 23, 2023, 11:05:55 am
I'm pegging a BoG for Saad this week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Mav on March 23, 2023, 11:51:33 am
Anyone see Bartel on Footy Classified? He ran clips showing how Cameron and Hawkins connect a lot better than Harry and Charlie. To his credit, Harry runs well up the ground to offer a target for our defenders but when he wheels around to target Charlie he drops it on his head (or worse, kicks to the advantage of the opposition). One example was a kick that forced Charlie to sit under the ball, allowing Grimes to manhandle him until the ball spilled. On the other hand, Bartel showed examples where immediately after Cameron wheels around he locates Hawkins and drops the ball into the “swimming pool” on the opposite side of Hawkins’ opponent. He says he doesn’t need to be too precise as long as it allows Hawkins to move to it.

We really need Harry and Charlie to have big nights together. At the moment, they are really Plan A and Plan B - when 1 is quiet we hope the other fires.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Lods on March 23, 2023, 11:53:40 am
I read on Monday 20th Hewett had a problem, possible breaks and was in doubt. The fact he's missing probably means it's a little more serious than a sprain. He could have played with strapping. The club would have known well before yesterday how serious it was. If he plays next week there's no drama, it would have been touch and go if he played or not. If he is out for a couple of weeks they've probably kept the severity under wraps. It'll be interesting to see how he comes up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: LP on March 23, 2023, 12:23:52 pm
If he is out for a couple of weeks they've probably kept the severity under wraps. It'll be interesting to see how he comes up.
He participated in full training then failed a fitness test, so it can't be too bad, unless training caused the problem to become worse!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 23, 2023, 12:42:59 pm
Our small fwds need to absolutely fire for us to be any chance.
Im a fan of Doc playing in the midfield but thinking about it more, he is a vital cog in our defence hence needs to stay there for mine ATM.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Slowhand on March 23, 2023, 01:42:20 pm
NEWSFLASH

Age reporting that Martin is in doubt.
Apparently missing his buddies in the Rehab Team.

Note to Recruiting Department - No more 'Oxygen Thiefs'.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 23, 2023, 01:43:24 pm
Our small fwds need to absolutely fire for us to be any chance.
Im a fan of Doc playing in the midfield but thinking about it more, he is a vital cog in our defence hence needs to stay there for mine ATM.

Agree, especially with the young bloke Cowan back there... though, just to contradict myself, you'd think Saad, Newman and Weiters would give the lad instructions and encouragement.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 23, 2023, 01:46:41 pm
NEWSFLASH

Age reporting that Martin is in doubt.
Apparently missing his buddies in the Rehab Team.

Note to Recruiting Department - No more 'Oxygen Thiefs'.

 :))  :)) nothing like an early arvo chuckle. Thank you, Mr Luke (movie reference for you). Like your brother's work as well (Cool).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on March 23, 2023, 01:50:58 pm
With the dodgy playing surface, possible rain / storm on the way, and our happy knack of keeping a good injury list on the boil, I really hope we emerge from this game unscathed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: rocky on March 23, 2023, 02:38:54 pm
If he is out for a couple of weeks they've probably kept the severity under wraps. It'll be interesting to see how he comes up.
Don't know if I should mention this as my source has been notoriously over reactionary but 10 weeks was what he'd heard.
Wouldn't normally say anything but he did make the call on the broken hand onfMonday. Hoping he's wrong again  :-\
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Mav on March 23, 2023, 03:12:54 pm
10 weeks seems extreme. This isn’t a boy who was injured in the U/11s. He’s a professional footballer who will be provided with the best medical and rehabilitation services. A few screws and painkilling injections will reduce the rehab time dramatically. That doesn’t mean I would condemn him if he chose to recover more slowly for the best result in the long term. But you look at Daniel Chick having a finger amputated so he could return to the field quickly and it’s pretty obvious players will try to accelerate their recovery as much as humanly possible.

I remember seeing a doctor about a badly-strained ankle I copped in a footy game. I asked him how many weeks I’d miss and he said in a huff that I should rest it for a year but no footy player ever listened to him and no doubt I’d be playing in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 23, 2023, 03:23:24 pm
Our small fwds need to absolutely fire for us to be any chance.
Im a fan of Doc playing in the midfield but thinking about it more, he is a vital cog in our defence hence needs to stay there for mine ATM.
Got to win the game, saving games isn't our strong suit.Doc to play in the midfield, maybe on a wing. Let's attack and be bold...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on March 23, 2023, 04:10:11 pm
Anyone see Bartel on Footy Classified? He ran clips showing how Cameron and Hawkins connect a lot better than Harry and Charlie. To his credit, Harry runs well up the ground to offer a target for our defenders but when he wheels around to target Charlie he drops it on his head (or worse, kicks to the advantage of the opposition). One example was a kick that forced Charlie to sit under the ball, allowing Grimes to manhandle him until the ball spilled. On the other hand, Bartel showed examples where immediately after Cameron wheels around he locates Hawkins and drops the ball into the “swimming pool” on the opposite side of Hawkins’ opponent. He says he doesn’t need to be too precise as long as it allows Hawkins to move to it.

We really need Harry and Charlie to have big nights together. At the moment, they are really Plan A and Plan B - when 1 is quiet we hope the other fires.

The problem with those analyses is that the "expert" cherrypicks footage that backs up their position.  Cameron does play a lot through the midfield, but not as a marking target from wing to halfback as Harry and Charlie often do.  Cameron is often involved in chains of possessions that provide Hawkins with time and space to lead.  I imagine that Cameron and Hawkins were presented with more opportunities to score than Harry and Charlie but Charlie averaged more goals per game than Hawkins and Harry averaged slightly less that Cameron.  Then there's Stengle chipping in with just over 2 goals per game while our third best goal scorer was Crippa with 20.  Having a third forward target capable of averaging 2 goals a game would make life a lot easier for Harry and Charlie.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: tonyo on March 23, 2023, 04:20:07 pm
Has Cameron's wife had her baby yet?  
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: cookie2 on March 23, 2023, 04:26:20 pm
Martin in doubt, surprise, surprise! 🙄
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on March 23, 2023, 04:30:38 pm
Has Cameron's wife had her baby yet? 

According to ESPN, the baby was due between R1 and 2. No up to date news on social media that I can find.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 23, 2023, 05:11:29 pm
Confused. Vossy talked of Pitto needing more game time fitness, yet small Durds, without any game time, comes straight in (which I am wrapped with, but...). I can only assume that leaving out Pitto is based on our best ruck combo being TDK & JSOS and this excludes Pitto (based on opposition rucks?).

Pitto didn't have much of a pre-season at all, so he'd be further behind fitness wise.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 23, 2023, 05:42:29 pm
Anyone see Bartel on Footy Classified? He ran clips showing how Cameron and Hawkins connect a lot better than Harry and Charlie. To his credit, Harry runs well up the ground to offer a target for our defenders but when he wheels around to target Charlie he drops it on his head (or worse, kicks to the advantage of the opposition). One example was a kick that forced Charlie to sit under the ball, allowing Grimes to manhandle him until the ball spilled. On the other hand, Bartel showed examples where immediately after Cameron wheels around he locates Hawkins and drops the ball into the “swimming pool” on the opposite side of Hawkins’ opponent. He says he doesn’t need to be too precise as long as it allows Hawkins to move to it.

We really need Harry and Charlie to have big nights together. At the moment, they are really Plan A and Plan B - when 1 is quiet we hope the other fires.
Thought it showed how Cerra looks for the safe pass and racks up useless stats, going wide just slowed down our entry when we had a one on one close to goal. Probably unfair to compare us to Collingwood who are much quicker and can play that constant momentum type game and run teams off their legs but it did show how we often dont give Charlie and Harry the easy lead into space mark and expect them to bail out the kicker with the big contested mark which was difficult vs players like Grimes who like that contested scenario.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 23, 2023, 06:27:45 pm
OUT: Martin
IN: Pittonet
SUB: LOB
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 23, 2023, 06:33:41 pm
SOS had no shin guard on so Pitt in
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: PaulP on March 23, 2023, 06:34:35 pm
I don't mind those changes. Martin out is not a loss. Pittonet should hopefully use his superior tap work to give us the edge in contest / clearances, and hopefully will also put some decent body work into Blicvavs / Stanley, wearing them down and reducing their influence as the game progresses.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on March 23, 2023, 06:38:00 pm
OUT: Martin
IN: Pittonet
SUB: LOB

Now ya talkin'.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 23, 2023, 06:44:30 pm
Given the cats lost stewart and SDK is on one leg, its not a bad option to have extra talls to hurt them in the air.
Now hopefully the ground held up with the rain, and the extra talls don't hurt us with the ball being on the deck.

Also, we better not get another injury as it'll mean we can't sub out a tall!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on March 23, 2023, 07:23:37 pm
Don't know if I should mention this as my source has been notoriously over reactionary but 10 weeks was what he'd heard.
Wouldn't normally say anything but he did make the call on the broken hand onfMonday. Hoping he's wrong again  :-\

Re: Hewitt
Don’t know how broken it is as he was at Children’s hospital doing the PR thing about Good Friday game shaking hands and giving out paraphernalia etc with no strapping on either hand
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Post by: kruddler on March 23, 2023, 08:45:29 pm
Re: Hewitt
Don’t know how broken it is as he was at Children’s hospital doing the PR thing about Good Friday game shaking hands and giving out paraphernalia etc with no strapping on either hand
Voss said should only miss 1 as it was just a crack