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Title: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: crashlander on July 17, 2014, 08:57:33 pm
Northern Blues vs. Werribee Tigers
Saturday 19th July
Visy Park at 1:30pm

Northern Blues
B: Dirago M. Watson McInnes
HB: Armfield Coulson Wilkinson
C: Buckley Cripps Lucas
HF: Wilson Waite B. Johnson
F: Bransgrove Anthony Garlett
R: Warnock Holman Cachia
Int: Byrne Posar Cattapan Totevski Bolger Walton Hunt* Temay Reynolds

Werribee Tigers
B: Hine Wilson Crichton
HB: Sherlock Shinners B. Norris
C: Bolton Sodomaco Gribble
HF: K. Harper Daw Warren
F: Turner Wood A. Maric
R: Currie Speight Moore
Int: J. Harper Jones Sharp Davis Reid Mihocek Martyn Boag* Porter

Well, last week's team had no relationship to what actually went out onto the ground. If this week's team is actually something like it has been selected, then they should give Werribee a much better run for their money than we did last time. Last time it was a disaster of Biblical proportions and probably the worst effort from the Baby Blues for the year.
Ironic that we lost to half of North last week, to play the other half this week.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Preston
Post by: crashlander on July 17, 2014, 09:01:56 pm
Northern Blues vs. Werribee Tigers
Saturday 19th July
Visy Park at 10:30am

Northern Blues
B: Callaway M. Gleeson D. Watson
HB: Johnston Grimes McDonald
C: Young McCann Posar
HF: Totevski Walton Haynes
F: Dorman Dufficy Murray
R: Kur J. Gleeson Taglieri
Int: M. Johnson Tardio Yelland Tester Toman H. Curnow Sutton K. Roberts Bowkett

Werribee Tigers
B: Hussey Wales Sharp
HB: Buchanan Mihocek Dale
C: J. Harper Martyn Robinson
HF: Taylor Porter Zumbo
F: N. Maric Reid Stretton
R: Jones King Davis
Int: Lang Barnes Burton O'Shea Laracy Henderson Iles Jawad A. Brown R. Norris
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: crashlander on July 19, 2014, 10:13:17 am
A Slight error, for those going to the game today. It is not a Preston, it is at Carlton. Please do not go to the wrong ground!!  ::) >:D
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: Baggers on July 19, 2014, 10:43:55 am
Looking forward to heading to PP for this one... especially to see our star new forward (Watto) >:D

Seriously though, could be without Everitt and Menzel and Robbo for our next game so a few blokes need to stake a claim today - Armfield? Cripps? Buckley? Cachia? Garlett? Johnson?
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on July 19, 2014, 11:01:00 am
Are we on ABC?
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: ianh on July 19, 2014, 12:09:33 pm
Are we on ABC?

No we are not  :(
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: crashlander on July 19, 2014, 03:12:21 pm
W are getting a very poor run on the TV again this year.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: crashlander on July 19, 2014, 03:15:15 pm
HALF TIME: Blues 5.6.36, Tigers 6.8.44.

DISPOSALS: Cripps 17, Lucas 11, Bransgrove 11, Cattapan 10, Warnock 10.

'Warnock and Cripps the leading clearance winners with 5 apiece. Warnock also has 22 hitouts along with 10 disposals.' When I read these comments I could barely believe it.

GOALS: Johnson 2, Lucas, Reynolds, Bransgrove
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: crashlander on July 19, 2014, 03:20:24 pm
Blues 6.7.43, Tigers 6.8.44. Cripps' set shot is narrowly offline for just the one point. Goal to Wilson. Getting closer.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: Raydan on July 19, 2014, 03:20:38 pm
W are getting a very poor run on the TV again this year.

Which is surprising, as I'd imagine that Visy would be a good place to broadcast from
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: LP on July 19, 2014, 03:29:39 pm
'Warnock and Cripps the leading clearance winners with 5 apiece. Warnock also has 22 hitouts along with 10 disposals.' When I read these comments I could barely believe it.

He is a spud, at VFL level given his massive height advantage he would need two dozen contested marks just to break even with Wood! ;)
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: crashlander on July 19, 2014, 04:23:21 pm
Northern Blues 8. 7. (55) def. by Werribee Tigers 11. 18. (84)
Unfortunately the baby Blues have gone down.  :-\ :-[


2014 AFL Victoria Development League
Northern Blues   2.4  4.6  5.8  9.10 (64)
Werribee Tigers   1.2  5.3  8.5  10.8 (68)

GOALS:
Northern Blues: Totevski 2 Dorman  Johnston  Dufficy  Roberts  Walton  Tardio  Posar
Werribee Tigers: Zumbo 2 Harper  Iles  Burton  Henderson  Jones  Taylor  Brown  Maric

BEST:
Northern Blues: Johnston Posar Tardio Gleeson Totevski McDonald
Werribee Tigers: Iles Wales Buchanan Jones Davis Zumbo

2014 Peter Jackson VFL
Northern Blues   4.3  5.6  7.7  8.7
Werribee Tigers   2.6  6.8  8.12 11.18

Only 1 goal in the last quarter wasn't good.

STATS (Disposals): Cripps 25, Lucas 25, Anthony 22, Bransgrove 18, Warnock 18

GOALS: Johnson 2, Lucas, Reynolds, Bransgrove, Wilson, Byrne, Anthony

Apparently Watson spent some time at both ends and didn't set the world on fire. Pity, but noting that our main mids didn't get much ball, the forward delivery couldn't have been too good.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: Baggers on July 19, 2014, 06:03:52 pm
What an dreadful last quarter. Our blokes lacked everything in the last stanza, in a game that was there for the taking. Werribee players seem to want it a whole lot more than our blokes in that last qtr. Horrible.

Thank good I had good company at the game and we were able to find the funny side of some of the dreadful errors/turnover - Ye Rat O' the River and I seemed to be on the same page re some of our observations of the game and certain players.

Watson. Yes, is a better forward than a defender but that is not praise!! ...(space here for RR comment!!)...

On a positive note... Wilson and Bransgrove were both good and looked like they gave a cr@p. No. 9 (forget who he is ... RR knows who he is...) was also good and knew how to get to where the ball was!

Wilkinson flashed in and out of the game and had a very good 3rd qtr.

Reckon the only Blues listed player who would deserve a call-up on today's effort would be Warnock - worked hard and probably won against a very good opponent (no idea who he is ...not in the program... No. 1 for Werribee).

Yep, Cripps got a bit and will no doubt benefit from the run but boy he turned the ball over on a few occasions - two of those howlers resulted in goals to Werribee. Rusty.

Holman - disappointing. Off the pace for most of the game.

McInnes - shadow of his former self. Barely serviceable.

Reynolds - started well. Marked well and kicked a good goal... but faded.

Garlett - the long winded summary would be - ordinary!

Johnson - did some good things and worked hard but not as dominant as you would hope from a bloke wanting to get back into the firsts.

Armfield - busy but unimpressive.

Cachia - was he there?

Temay - did a couple of nice things when in the open by himself. At least he didn't turn it over!

Lucas - good grief! His ability to stuff up his disposals is impressive... don't be fooled by the number of possessions he got. He did, however, manage to get where the ball was - seems to be preparing himself for a return to WA.

Byrne - still learning but you can see the potential. Good size, moves well, skills coming along nicely.

Buckley went off early injured. Becoming a glass man.

Sheehan didn't play.

At the risk of being repetitive... that last qtr capitulation was simply painful to watch.




Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: crashlander on July 19, 2014, 07:46:43 pm
Thanks for the report, Baggers. Disappointing about the result. Even more disappointing that Buckley couldn't get through the game unscathed. We certainly have some work to do on our list, and a lot of work to do to develop our players. The last thing we want is for them to capitulate at any time, but the last quarter least of all.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: LP on July 19, 2014, 07:54:21 pm
Reckon the only Blues listed player who would deserve a call-up on today's effort would be Warnock - worked hard and probably won against a very good opponent (no idea who he is ...not in the program... No. 1 for Werribee).

That would be Daniel Currie, spent 3 years at the Swans before being drafted by Norp last trade period. Couldn't break into the 1s at the Swans, left and went to SANFL for a season.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: RiverRat on July 20, 2014, 01:07:53 am
What an dreadful last quarter. Our blokes lacked everything in the last stanza, in a game that was there for the taking. Werribee players seem to want it a whole lot more than our blokes in that last qtr. Horrible.

Thank god I had good company at the game and we were able to find the funny side of some of the dreadful errors/turnover - Ye Rat O' the River and I seemed to be on the same page re some of our observations of the game and certain players.

Watson. Yes, is a better forward than a defender but that is not praise!! ...(space here for RR comment!!)... 6 Marks (1 contested mark that nearly caused me to full from my seat in shock) 6 kicks and 1 handpass - at least he put his hands in the vicinity of the ball in marking contests on the forward line and contributed to a goal by failing to mark and letting it slip through his fingers to a teammate who goaled. Most of his 6 marks were taken in defense when he kept calling for the ball to be kicked backwards while he was on his own.

On a positive note... Wilson and Bransgrove were both good and looked like they gave a cr@p. No. 9 (forget who he is ... RR knows who he is...) was also good and knew how to get to where the ball was! 23rd player = Liam Hunt from Northern Knights

Wilkinson flashed in and out of the game and had a very good 3rd qtr.

Reckon the only Blues listed player who would deserve a call-up on today's effort would be Warnock - worked hard and probably won against a very good opponent (no idea who he is ...not in the program... No. 1 for Werribee). An opponent who was a similar height. I agree with Baggers - definitely the only listed player who could be considered for the next AFL round - and I would probably consider him if Sandilands is expected to play. Actually took quite a lot of marks around the ground today.

Yep, Cripps got a bit and will no doubt benefit from the run but boy he turned the ball over on a few occasions - two of those howlers resulted in goals to Werribee. Rusty.

Holman - disappointing. Off the pace for most of the game.

McInnes - shadow of his former self. Barely serviceable.

Reynolds - started well. Marked well and kicked a good goal... but faded.

Garlett - the long winded summary would be - ordinary!

Johnson - did some good things and worked hard but not as dominant as you would hope from a bloke wanting to get back into the firsts.

Armfield - busy but unimpressive.

Cachia - was he there? Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing him after the 1st quarter. That plus the injury to Buckley probably explains why Hunt got so much ground time.

Temay - did a couple of nice things when in the open by himself. At least he didn't turn it over!

Lucas - good grief! His ability to stuff up his disposals is impressive... don't be fooled by the number of possessions he got. He did, however, manage to get where the ball was - seems to be preparing himself for a return to WA.

Byrne - still learning but you can see the potential. Good size, moves well, skills coming along nicely.

Buckley went off early injured. Becoming a glass man.

Sheehan didn't play.

At the risk of being repetitive... that last qtr capitulation was simply painful to watch.

This game was played in pretty good conditions but the final quarter effort by the Blues was aimless, hopeless and spiritless. I could not believe how often the ball was kicked backwards into defense when the 3/4 time margin was so slender.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: crashlander on July 20, 2014, 09:00:07 am
What an dreadful last quarter. Our blokes lacked everything in the last stanza, in a game that was there for the taking. Werribee players seem to want it a whole lot more than our blokes in that last qtr. Horrible.

Thank god I had good company at the game and we were able to find the funny side of some of the dreadful errors/turnover - Ye Rat O' the River and I seemed to be on the same page re some of our observations of the game and certain players.

Watson. Yes, is a better forward than a defender but that is not praise!! ...(space here for RR comment!!)... 6 Marks (1 contested mark that nearly caused me to full from my seat in shock) 6 kicks and 1 handpass - at least he put his hands in the vicinity of the ball in marking contests on the forward line and contributed to a goal by failing to mark and letting it slip through his fingers to a teammate who goaled. Most of his 6 marks were taken in defense when he kept calling for the ball to be kicked backwards while he was on his own.

On a positive note... Wilson and Bransgrove were both good and looked like they gave a cr@p. No. 9 (forget who he is ... RR knows who he is...) was also good and knew how to get to where the ball was! 23rd player = Liam Hunt from Northern Knights

Wilkinson flashed in and out of the game and had a very good 3rd qtr.

Reckon the only Blues listed player who would deserve a call-up on today's effort would be Warnock - worked hard and probably won against a very good opponent (no idea who he is ...not in the program... No. 1 for Werribee). An opponent who was a similar height. I agree with Baggers - definitely the only listed player who could be considered for the next AFL round - and I would probably consider him if Sandilands is expected to play. Actually took quite a lot of marks around the ground today.

Yep, Cripps got a bit and will no doubt benefit from the run but boy he turned the ball over on a few occasions - two of those howlers resulted in goals to Werribee. Rusty.

Holman - disappointing. Off the pace for most of the game.

McInnes - shadow of his former self. Barely serviceable.

Reynolds - started well. Marked well and kicked a good goal... but faded.

Garlett - the long winded summary would be - ordinary!

Johnson - did some good things and worked hard but not as dominant as you would hope from a bloke wanting to get back into the firsts.

Armfield - busy but unimpressive.

Cachia - was he there? Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing him after the 1st quarter. That plus the injury to Buckley probably explains why Hunt got so much ground time.

Temay - did a couple of nice things when in the open by himself. At least he didn't turn it over!

Lucas - good grief! His ability to stuff up his disposals is impressive... don't be fooled by the number of possessions he got. He did, however, manage to get where the ball was - seems to be preparing himself for a return to WA.

Byrne - still learning but you can see the potential. Good size, moves well, skills coming along nicely.

Buckley went off early injured. Becoming a glass man.

Sheehan didn't play.

At the risk of being repetitive... that last qtr capitulation was simply painful to watch.

This game was played in pretty good conditions but the final quarter effort by the Blues was aimless, hopeless and spiritless. I could not believe how often the ball was kicked backwards into defense when the 3/4 time margin was so slender.
  :-[  :-[  :-X  :'(
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: LanceRomance on July 20, 2014, 10:21:53 am
Reckon the only Blues listed player who would deserve a call-up on today's effort would be Warnock - worked hard and probably won against a very good opponent (no idea who he is ...not in the program... No. 1 for Werribee). An opponent who was a similar height. I agree with Baggers - definitely the only listed player who could be considered for the next AFL round - and I would probably consider him if Sandilands is expected to play. Actually took quite a lot of marks around the ground today.



There is only 2 cm's height difference between Warnock and Wood.

Those 2cm's probably won't make too much of a difference.... or at least that is what I will tell myself.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: No1inParticular on July 20, 2014, 10:26:48 am
If it hasn't already been posted.

Liam HUNT has a good pedigree.

Both Nick Dal Santo & Marcus Bontempelli are his cousins.

As well as Luke Stanton who was a rookie with us a few seasons back.

Worth keeping an eye on.

Can find the pill. Slightly built but will fill out with some gym time.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: LP on July 20, 2014, 10:29:55 am
How many of those "quite a lot" of Warnock marks were contested marks?

Wood took a total of three or four contested marks in one game against blokes like Goldstein and Petrie!

Warnock hasn't taken three contested marks at AFL level in total in two or three seasons, and that includes against the start-up teams! Warnock is the hall of mirrors, the most disappointing and deflating ride at the show, I'd go as far as to label him a handbrake!
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: Professer E on July 20, 2014, 10:32:08 am
Funny how we looked a different side without Walker, MacLean and Walker.   Their replacements all played important roles... won't happen every week but you gotta wonder.

A non-contributing ruckman is a massive boat anchor.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 20, 2014, 10:32:46 am
Reckon the only Blues listed player who would deserve a call-up on today's effort would be Warnock - worked hard and probably won against a very good opponent (no idea who he is ...not in the program... No. 1 for Werribee). An opponent who was a similar height. I agree with Baggers - definitely the only listed player who could be considered for the next AFL round - and I would probably consider him if Sandilands is expected to play. Actually took quite a lot of marks around the ground today.



There is only 2 cm's height difference between Warnock and Wood.

Those 2cm's probably won't make too much of a difference.... or at least that is what I will tell myself.


Warnock is like the top age bigger kid playing basketball...can monster the small younger kids and look like a million dollars but useless vs seasoned same age/size opponents.
Bailey and Hale did he job on Sandilands in the GF and Hale punished him around the ground by taking more marks...Wood and Casboult need to do similar.....like to see Wood float forward and make the giant chase him around with those dodgy feet...
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on July 20, 2014, 10:35:57 am
Write up in the HS today saying Lucas had a standout game.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: LP on July 20, 2014, 10:39:54 am
Write up in the HS today saying Lucas had a standout game.

A lot of these reports are written by blokes using stats who don't even attend the games, I'd trust Baggers and RR in their assessment of Lucas' efficiency!

A better source of info than the main newspapers are the local papers, often they appoint report writers from each club to submit articles but they usually only surface later in the week.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 20, 2014, 10:40:37 am
Write up in the HS today saying Lucas had a standout game.

Think Baggers suggested that the stats are misleading and didnt rate his game.....another we need to fatten up for trade and play in the seniors...
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on July 20, 2014, 10:41:46 am
I dunno, it's amazing how playing in that league can drag you down to it's level. That said, the last game Lucas played for us he squibbed it big time, multiple times, I can't see that ever changing TBH.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: LP on July 20, 2014, 10:44:20 am
I want players who squash opponents not pick them up!

The reason Robb is under such a pump is because we have too few of him!
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: RiverRat on July 21, 2014, 12:20:01 am
Write up in the HS today saying Lucas had a standout game.

Howard Leigh is a pleasant elderly chap who seemingly provides VFL match reports as part of his retirement plan and reports what he is told.

Lucas was ineffective and had more kicks smothered or blocked than he hit targets ahead of him.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: RiverRat on July 21, 2014, 12:29:55 am
How many of those "quite a lot" of Warnock marks were contested marks? More than Watson had.

Wood took a total of three or four contested marks in one game against blokes like Goldstein and Petrie! Wood played very well around the ground (better than Warnock ever has) but was seriously outpointed by Goldstein in ruck contests.

Warnock hasn't taken three contested marks at AFL level in total in two or three seasons, and that includes against the start-up teams! Slight but understandable underestimation I would suggest - but it certainly isn't Robbie's strong point.

The Warnock of the past few weeks in the AFL has been poor and deserved to be dropped as much as Wood had earned a promotion.

Nonetheless, Warnock with the fire in the belly (don't laugh - it happens sometimes) is better in ruck contests than Wood.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: Peter Brady on July 21, 2014, 08:00:41 am
"Six drops of the essence of Warnock
Five drops of sinister Wood.
add a tincture of Robbo"

and we might be able to mix up a tap ruck who can take marks around the ground and 'Monster' the opposition
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: nathbear on July 21, 2014, 09:30:11 am
"Six drops of the essence of Warnock
Five drops of sinister Wood.
add a tincture of Robbo"

and we might be able to mix up a tap ruck who can take marks around the ground and 'Monster' the opposition

Isn't that what we drafted Matty Kreuzer to be? ;)

Unfortunately he added another 10 drops of perpetually injured.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on July 21, 2014, 09:31:02 am
Terrible stuff that 'perpetually injured'. ;)
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: LP on July 21, 2014, 11:24:23 am
The Warnock of the past few weeks in the AFL has been poor and deserved to be dropped as much as Wood had earned a promotion.

Nonetheless, Warnock with the fire in the belly (don't laugh - it happens sometimes) is better in ruck contests than Wood.

Don't write it if you prefer me not to laugh, any examples at AFL level???

In an 86 game career he has only rated above average seven times. His three best games were against sides with only a single ruckmen or two inexperienced rucks, and always when Carlton played two against one or even three against one!
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: Thryleon on July 21, 2014, 04:50:35 pm
Don't know about that LP.  Played a lone hand against the Bombers a few years back and played admirably whilst Hampson and Kreuzer were injured.


It's a rare occurrence though and one more reason why we are in a bit of a hole at the moment.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Werribee at Visy
Post by: LP on July 21, 2014, 04:58:49 pm
Don't know about that LP.  Played a lone hand against the Bombers a few years back and played admirably whilst Hampson and Kreuzer were injured.

It's a rare occurrence though and one more reason why we are in a bit of a hole at the moment.

I'm assuming you mean 2011, but which game, the lone hand he rucked with Kreuzer, or the lone hand he rucked with O'hAilpin? ;)