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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #75 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
That's an oversimplification.

We do have good ball users - just used out of position - or not at all - or injured.

SPS is an excellent ball user/decision maker. Need to be in the guts.

Williams looks injured. Martin is injured. Saad looks injured too.

Stocker must come in next week - he's probably the only player on our list who's elite off both feet.

The Guv is an excellent ball user but appears too embarrassed to be part of our team to want to bother....

Murphy's a good ball user - for mine, he's either an on baller or not in the 22.

Betts is an exceptional ball user - watch his 3rd quarter last night.

People who suggest he's cooked? Laughable.

He's (presently) less cooked than Cripps, Williams (both injured), Murphy, Doc, Curnow and Newnes.


I don't see it as an oversimplification.  A good ball user is a good ball user no matter what position they are played.

Our turnovers by foot game after game  are an embarrassment.



I see Murphy as a good ball user to a limited degree - he lacks penetration and struggles to make a 40 metre kick.

Guv wouldn't be considered by a top side yet we keep selecting him because of lack of depth.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #76 –
Yes, the Betts "Too old" stuff is garbage.  He KNOWS his position and how to play it and shirks nothing.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #77 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Something else its a system of......following the captains lead.

IMO Cripps was the most selfish of all, most individual of all.
Teague needs to give him both barrels in the review.

"If you are running through the centre and have a good kicking teammate next to you.....give it to him! You do not finish off enough of those kicks and we get hurt on the rebound because of it.....and you can't/don't chase. So either learn to kick, or better yet, don't attempt it! Next time you burn a teammate by not giving a handball, you are dropped!"

If he doesn't like it, start working on a trade back to WA now.

As a captain of the club, its simply not good enough, week in week out. Multiple times a game.

Harsh, but absolutely true.

When leaders FU it really deflates and demotivates... as the opposite is also true, when leaders do something clever/team oriented/inspirational - great smother, tackle, bring team mate into play... it lifts. Look how often Pendlebury brings team mates into the game, no heroics, adherence to system/game plan - definitely no individualism.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #78 –
Quote from: Macca37 on


I don't see it as an oversimplification.  A good ball user is a good ball user no matter what position they are played.

Our turnovers by foot game after game  are an embarrassment.



I see Murphy as a good ball user to a limited degree - he lacks penetration and struggles to make a 40 metre kick.

Guv wouldn't be considered by a top side yet we keep selecting him because of lack of depth.
McGovern needs to work harder. He would be considered on ability for any side, hence was a reasonable important part of a Grand Final side. Issue is right now, like others wouldn't be considered in others sides based on workmate, or a lack thereof.

We have to work out why we "Carltonise" good players that come to the club.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #79 –
Mcgovern is expected to be a key player with us but was just the 4th forward at the Crows.
He is a finisher/accessory player who needs delivery and a weak opponent, not the likes of Alir who ran off him all the time in the first half. Just the wrong player for us and would be better suited at West Coast when Allen takes JKs spot.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #80 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Mcgovern is expected to be a key player with us but was just the 4th forward at the Crows.
He is a finisher/accessory player who needs delivery and a weak opponent, not the likes of Alir who ran off him all the time in the first half. Just the wrong player for us and would be better suited at West Coast when Allen takes JKs spot.
He supposed to be a 3rd forward here too to play a similar role.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #81 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Agree Pauly, I care little for what the media say or think, to call them parasites is being kind. Internally however is another matter, Teague will be under pressure without wins no matter who the opposition is.

My ladder prediction for this season was 9th-11th, and I have seen little that would change my mind. As long as the effort is there and we can get some semblance of our best 22 on the park, the wins will come IMO.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #82 –
Quote from: laj on
He supposed to be a 3rd forward here too to play a similar role.


I guess I would ask the question why we would pay big dollars for a 3rd tall forward.
Its created high match winning expectations for a player who will really only feature when the team plays well. I have been on his case but its very hard for a player of his type to perform with such a poor kicking team.
He had silver service at the Crows but has to make his own lunch with us..

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #83 –
I don't think our forward line functioned very well (obviously) - seriously missed Jack. McGovern is a poor replacement at this stage.

But their back line was able to put our forwards under pressure. Ours was not. Our back line is a joke.

Teague deserves quite a lot of criticism- as does the selection committee. Too many moves just haven't worked. Picking Williamson was a disaster. Samo at half back just has not worked. Cunningham sitting in the 2s is just ridiculous. We need Newman back desperately and we need to play Jack Martin at half back or Jack Silvagni or Cunningham or Stocker. The guys we've got are not up to it... And it is frustratingly obvious yet Teague keeps fronting up with the same sh1ttruck defence getting the same sh1tty result every time we get under scoreboard pressure. 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #84 –
2024... Moir of the same to come

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #85 –
Cripps and Doc simple stuffups really hurt and deflating. Umps were crucifying us early and evened it up later when it didn't matter. Port are better than us. We make too many stupid decisions and cock up gold plated opportunities.
 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #86 –
Having said all that I actually think things aren't quite as bad as they seem. We had more clearances, inside 50s, etc. than a team that is pretty hard at it. There is definitely something to work with. We just can't get anywhere near a decent run with injuries. How much fun would it be to see how good we could be with Charlie, Jack, TDK, Marchbank, Martin, Newman, Fisher, Kemp, etc. in the team?

Seem like 2 or 3 years of constantly dealing with a quarter to a third of our best team out injured every week.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #87 –
Port by comparison probably had 2 of their best 22 missing. What a dream position to be in!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #88 –
Quote from: jeza on
I don't think our forward line functioned very well (obviously) - seriously missed Jack. McGovern is a poor replacement at this stage.

But their back line was able to put our forwards under pressure. Ours was not. Our back line is a joke.

Teague deserves quite a lot of criticism- as does the selection committee. Too many moves just haven't worked. Picking Williamson was a disaster. Samo at half back just has not worked. Cunningham sitting in the 2s is just ridiculous. We need Newman back desperately and we need to play Jack Martin at half back or Jack Silvagni or Cunningham or Stocker. The guys we've got are not up to it... And it is frustratingly obvious yet Teague keeps fronting up with the same sh1ttruck defence getting the same sh1tty result every time we get under scoreboard pressure. 

JSOS or no JSOS when our midfield goes missing - or butchers the ball, any defence is going to buckle under extreme pressure.

The midfield was again in gaga land defensively last night. The abject lack of energy in the group was extraordinary. Noting likely Crippa injured and Williams too (or unfit).

Even Sam W. looked jaded.

tackle count?

Cottrell, Jones, Plow, Willo - bagels ffs!

Doc, Kennedy - 1

Levi, Guv, Gibbo, Murph, SPS - 2

Eddie, Crippa, H, Newnes, Pitto - 3

16 of our 22 - 3 or less tackles in 120 minutes of footy.

9 tackles inside 50, they had 15.



Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #89 –
Quote from: jeza on
Having said all that I actually think things aren't quite as bad as they seem. We had more clearances, inside 50s, etc. than a team that is pretty hard at it. There is definitely something to work with. We just can't get anywhere near a decent run with injuries. How much fun would it be to see how good we could be with Charlie, Jack, TDK, Marchbank, Martin, Newman, Fisher, Kemp, etc. in the team?

Seem like 2 or 3 years of constantly dealing with a quarter to a third of our best team out injured every week.

No question. Even half of that list.

It doesn't however excuse the lack of intent, hunger and poor decision making shown by so many last night.

It's a privilege to play professional AFL footy, let alone to don the famous Old Dark Navy Blue.

It's really quite simple if one had to summarise our current dilemma....

Not enough of the blokes who run out there give a f.....
Finals, then 4 in a row!