Having seen some of Hawthorn's display on TV last night, next Friday night's game is not looking good.
[1] Hawthorn appear to have hit form and are playing very well.
[2] Hawthorn appear to hit (or knee) players and get away with it. We get suspended if we put any physical pressure on.
[3] We will not be able to get anything like our best 22 on the park. Even if we get a few guys back, we seem to lose somebody irreplaceable each week.
[4] The honeymoon appears over for Johnny Barker. We have returned to some fairly negative football and have a lot of players playing without a lot of passion. The run and willingness to take risks just hasn't been there.
[5] We haven't beaten Hawthorn for so long that many supporters have never seen it happen. I would LOVE to see us reverse this trend, as we have been getting closer and closer in recent times. However, we just don't have the cattle at this point of time.
Eek.
That said, I would absolutely LOVE for us to go down swinging. No chance of winning so let's square the ledger from past thuggery.
#believe
If we can manage to get Marc Murphy off his usual gig of being the Official AFL punching bag and back to being the most dangerous mid going inside 50 in the comp again we're a shot of getting within 10 goals.
We'll win this. :D
...and here's why...
Hawthorn have played what they probably regard as their two biggest rivals for the flag in the last two weeks and done the job easily.
They would have been building up for a couple of tough games and will look at this one next week as a "break".
You wouldn't think they'd face it with near the same intensity.
You could almost guarantee a let-down.
Whether that's enough to drop an "unloseable" game is doubtful...... but a season sometimes turns up an improbable result like this one
We can always hope but I don't expect to reverse our trend of losses to the Thugees this game. I will be there - our seats are conveniently located near the exit in case an early retreat is necessary!
Get smacked probably by 15 goals given the form lines of the two teams unless the Hawks decide to rest some star players.....
White to Mitchell, given the good job he did on Fyfe ?
I will be happy if we can stay within 10 goals of the Hawks in the next game. For the first half to start with. Then we will see how things go in the second half. I just hope we don't get too many injuries in this game.
White to Mitchell, given the good job he did on Fyfe ?
Cripps to Mitchell.
Like for like, give the kid something to look up to in the future.
White to Hodge.....bring the popcorn. >:D
We've got some good taggers and a couple of good half backs in Docherty and Tuohy, we've also got a better ruckman.
We'll get well beaten but I don't think it will get near 100 points.
Menzel is out of chances surely, Jaksch in for him is the only change I'd make, keep running the young blokes.
White went to Fyfe because of his size. He was being groomed for the role from the start of the year, he said so in an interview.
Are Hodge and Mitchell his type of guys or would it be Holman, Curnow and Carrots?
Carrots and Curnow have played on Mitchell before and none have been successful but there is always a first time....White on Hodge or Lewis might be worth watching although I have the feeling Cripps might get Lewis for company and some extra treatment.
I do like White to Hodge, but only for the reasons Kruddler suggested.
8)
We have been competitive in our last two 2 games against them, the first of those we were totally screwed by the umps.
I do like White to Hodge, but only for the reasons Kruddler suggested.
8)
Always remember Robbo lined up Hodge and got him but the Hawks skipper got up and smiled while Robbo looked like he ran into a brick wall and was worse for wear...
Cripps to Mitchell.
Like for like, give the kid something to look up to in the future.
White to Hodge.....bring the popcorn. >:D
As much as I like White, Hodge is about 20x smarter, more cunning, more experienced, and more protected. As Bruce would say, "an ornament to the game." I don't see this ending well, assuming it eventuates.
Always remember Robbo lined up Hodge and got him but the Hawks skipper got up and smiled while Robbo looked like he ran into a brick wall and was worse for wear...
Robbo used to knock him self out for fun.
White is a far more robust individual.
As much as I like White, Hodge is about 20x smarter, more cunning, more experienced, and more protected. As Bruce would say, "an ornament to the game." I don't see this ending well, assuming it eventuates.
Hodge may be all of those things, but Fyfe would have Hodge covered at present and White did the job on him. ;)
Hodge may be all of those things, but Fyfe would have Hodge covered at present and White did the job on him. ;)
Hmm....... I can see your point to an extent. I think Hodge is much more of a sniper than Fyfe. I think Fyfe has demonstrated on several occasions that he has a hair trigger temper, and I reckon could be provoked with minimal effort. He is pretty blatant and lacks subtlety. Hodge on the other hand will get away with much more, under the radar. Sneaky (*&^%.
Given we realistically aren't going to win, Id like us to adopt the Karate Kid model, and put a few of these blokes out of commission.
To, even in a small way, scuttle their top 4 and premiership aspirations would give me alot of pleasure.
Hmm....... I can see your point to an extent. I think Hodge is much more of a sniper than Fyfe. I think Fyfe has demonstrated on several occasions that he has a hair trigger temper, and I reckon could be provoked with minimal effort. He is pretty blatant and lacks subtlety. Hodge on the other hand will get away with much more, under the radar. Sneaky (*&^%.
As long as White doesn't turn his back on Hodge he'll be safe, Hodge rarely accidents someone unless it's a blindside!
Hodge's favorite accidents are;
- Knee to the kidney's during marking.
- Shoulder or Hip to the head area at ground level.
- Round forearm to the head during spoiling attempt.
- Clip to the achilles during sprint to the ball.
- Knee to the ribs at ground level.
- Front on elbow to the head during a "brave marking attempt" with the flight.
Hodge must be the unluckiest player in the AFL to be regularly involved in so many accidents! ;)
We've got some good taggers and a couple of good half backs in Docherty and Tuohy, we've also got a better ruckman.
We'll get well beaten but I don't think it will get near 100 points.
Menzel is out of chances surely, Jaksch in for him is the only change I'd make, keep running the young blokes.
Menzel out to recover from whatever injury he is carrying. Obviously not fit. Not struggling that badly for nothing. Jaksch in for Rowe and play forward hence moving Henderson back. Jaksch was recruited as a forward so now is a good time to play him there and give him experience. Wood, may come back too.
I'd love to see White go to Hodge.
Menzel out to recover from whatever injury he is carrying. Obviously not fit. Not struggling that badly for nothing. Jaksch in for Rowe and play forward hence moving Henderson back. Jaksch was recruited as a forward so now is a good time to play him there and give him experience. Wood, may come back too.
Menzel's just out of form I reckon, not that he's ever been in hot form anyway, I don't think he's as good as we thought he might be but time is still on his side.
I doubt that Rowe will be dropped and I don't think there's much chance of Wood getting a game, Hawthorn's runners are who normally kill us.
It won't be pretty, we'll be lucky to kick 10 goals.
I'd love to see White go to Hodge.
Hodge would slaughter him.
Marc Murphy's 200th game! Can we lift for El Capitano??
Hodge would slaughter him.
....He'd get two weeks down to one with an early plea for that ;D
....He'd get two weeks down to one with an early plea for that ;D
Nice one Lods.
Hodge would slaughter him.
In footy smarts, yeah, but there'd be plenty of cheap shots going in both directions.
Hodge would slaughter him.
White would get four weeks for injuring Hodge's fist with his head!
White would get four weeks for injuring Hodge's fist with his head!
And Hodge would be awarded three bonus Brownlow votes.
Hawks by 70....
Hodge would slaughter him.
Many would have thought the same thing about White going to Fyffe.
Though I do suspect that White will go to someone else in the midfield. Put Yazz on Hodge, he's got a killer left hook >:D
Always remember Robbo lined up Hodge and got him but the Hawks skipper got up and smiled while Robbo looked like he ran into a brick wall and was worse for wear...
Hodge is the best in the business at avoiding getting hurt while the other player comes off second best. Must be his awareness and/or timing - knowing how to brace himself and dip a shoulder or whatever. Remember how he and Murph went for the ball (allegedly ???) at the same time.
I admire Hodge. A bloody good hard player.
I wish we had a couple like him.
I respect him but also dislike him.
And Hodge would be awarded three bonus Brownlow votes.
Then Hawthorn would be given a priority pick for the damage White did in potentially shortening Hodge's career through injuring a fist!
Yarran forward
Henderson back
Docherty into the midfield
Like the prospect of Yarran forward, but he could go missing quite badly. Our desperate need for good ball use across half back has meant some have played there when they perhaps seem more naturally a forward.
Difficulty with playing hawthorn is that they dont play a conventional forward set up. Their only true KP is roughhead and he often roams about. Henderson might have a hard time keeping up with him. Given our team balance henderson will probably stay forward, as how can we play rowe, jamison and henderson back?
Really lacking run at the moment, so we are going to have to work very hard to match it with a team that combines standout skills with an ability to maintain structure better than any. Hopefully we can shut them down, and keeping them to a low score is probably a major aim, even more so than actually scoring ourselves. Its not like we can hope to match them in a shoot out in any case
Congratulations to the club for a good promotion this week. Taking us back to 1995 with old food prices is smart marketing ( hate to imagine the cost though!). Well done.
Hawthorn will eat up Yarran's softness. Would love for him to make a stand but it won't happen.
Hawthorn will eat up Yarran's softness. Would love for him to make a stand but it won't happen.
Completely agree. He has played his best footy back, but is often sat on by opposition players now, negating his best asset. As a forward it would highlight his current deficiencies. He needs to move more. Good lesson may be had from the game this weekend. Hawthorn move and maintain structure at the same time. They can do so as they have players that can fulfil many roles, and have skills aplenty. Other than lake, they can all play several positions and all have a responsibility to kick goals. Its a nightmare to match up on.
Hawthorn will eat up Yarran's softness. Would love for him to make a stand but it won't happen.
This is the week he needs to play forward. Put some pressure on their rebounding defenders and use his pace which he hasn't done all year.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/john-barker-admits-speaking-to-chris-yarran-about-putting-the-team-first/story-fni5f5nx-1227453125945
I don't get this articule - what does it mean? Does it mean he's been told not to run and carry?? that's what 'team first' says to me
Interesting barker has said he's trying to implement a 'modern' gameplan. The backhanders just keep on coming for Mick.
Like the prospect of Yarran forward, but he could go missing quite badly. Our desperate need for good ball use across half back has meant some have played there when they perhaps seem more naturally a forward.
Difficulty with playing hawthorn is that they dont play a conventional forward set up. Their only true KP is roughhead and he often roams about. Henderson might have a hard time keeping up with him. Given our team balance henderson will probably stay forward, as how can we play rowe, jamison and henderson back?
Really lacking run at the moment, so we are going to have to work very hard to match it with a team that combines standout skills with an ability to maintain structure better than any. Hopefully we can shut them down, and keeping them to a low score is probably a major aim, even more so than actually scoring ourselves. Its not like we can hope to match them in a shoot out in any case
Congratulations to the club for a good promotion this week. Taking us back to 1995 with old food prices is smart marketing ( hate to imagine the cost though!). Well done.
Yep, credit given where it is due.
I'd pick Wood tonight and run Kreuzer with Roughead all game, covering him when he ruck/follows or goes forward. Wood can do the other tucking against Hale, Ceglar, Macavoy etc.
Interesting barker has said he's trying to implement a 'modern' gameplan. The backhanders just keep on coming for Mick.
bahaha :))
I suspect we're tanking; Liam Jones is back ::)
Backs 43. Simon White 17. Sam Rowe 40. Michael Jamison
Half-backs 13. Chris Yarran 42. Zach Tuohy 7. Dylan Buckley
Centreline 6. Kade Simpson 3. Marc Murphy (C) 15. Sam Docherty
Half-forwards 2. Troy Menzel 28. Tom Bell 22. Jason Tutt
Forwards 41. Levi Casboult 23. Lachie Henderson 33. Andrejs Everitt
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 9. Patrick Cripps 35. Ed Curnow
Interchange 12. Blaine Boekhorst 14. Liam Jones 20. Nick Holman
34. Brad Walsh
Emergencies 18. Kristian Jaksch 30. Blaine Johnson 24. Mark Whiley
In: Jones, Boekhorst
Out: Carrazzo (foot), Fields (omitted)
I really can't see how Jones could get a game ahead of Jaksch, but then I couldn't see why we added to him to our list either.
I would have kept Fields in the side ahead of Tutt too. The latter is an honest trier but he really lacks awareness an dis going to brushed aside by the Hawks.
I really can't see how Jones could get a game ahead of Jaksch, but then I couldn't see why we added to him to our list either.
Pick 7 for Jaksch is shaping up as our worst trade in more than a decade.
OMG Everitt stays.
Pick 7 for Jaksch is shaping up as our worst trade in more than a decade.
How the hell can you tell that at this stage. He's still a year or two from getting there, being a big bloke, and the club said that over summer.
WTF is Jones doing in the side. Jaksch has had some good weeks with the NB's and shoed he's right for as run, why isn't he playing. He could go forward thus send Henderson back to defence. Team selection is astounding at times.
How the hell can you tell that at this stage. He's still a year or two from getting there, being a big bloke, and the club said that over summer.
I think Jaksch will go okay but I'd rather have kept pick 7.
OMG Everitt stays.
OMG he's kicked at least 1 goal in our last 7 matches - kicked 12 goals in those games 18 goals for the year....and he was playing down back.
Only 1 player has kicked more goals than him over that period, and more goals for the year. That is Casboult (13 from last 7 and 20 for the year).
Not sure why Everitt is being singled out now.
OMG he's kicked at least 1 goal in our last 7 matches - kicked 12 goals in those games 18 goals for the year....and he was playing down back.
Only 1 player has kicked more goals than him over that period, and more goals for the year. That is Casboult (13 from last 7 and 20 for the year).
Not sure why Everitt is being singled out now.
His pathetic defensive efforts over the last two games. Has been atrocious. Should not get a game this week.
Hawks are going to go in dry .
Pray for the Blue boys...
Not sure how Walsh kept his position either TBH.
Pick 7 for Jaksch is shaping up as our worst trade in more than a decade.
I meant Jones B4L. I reckon Jaksch has a future with us.
Tanks for nothing...
The Libb a vibe is back...
His pathetic defensive efforts over the last two games. Has been atrocious. Should not get a game this week.
Yep, if the club wanted to make a stand against p1ss weak efforts they'd make an example out of Everitt.
Why in the name of Jehova would we need to tank against the Hawks??? Seriously....... ::)
Why in the name of Jehova would we need to tank against the Hawks??? Seriously....... ::)
Tongue firmly in cheek Cookie :)
It should have been a good opportunity to put a competitive side on the park while giving some promising young blokes an opportunity to show what they can do. Recalling Jones isn't paramount to tanking but it does smack of the club trying to sugar coat a list management blunder.
Not sure how Walsh kept his position either TBH.
What didn't you like about his 1/4 of football?
We've been screaming about the treatment Graham got.
What didn't you like about his 1/4 of football?
We've been screaming about the treatment Graham got.
Well, he didn't really get near it TBH. Didn't look likely. I guess we don't really have anything to lose by playing him. I'm more pissed about Everitt getting a game.
I suspect we're tanking; Liam Jones is back ::)
Backs 43. Simon White 17. Sam Rowe 40. Michael Jamison
Half-backs 13. Chris Yarran 42. Zach Tuohy 7. Dylan Buckley
Centreline 6. Kade Simpson 3. Marc Murphy (C) 15. Sam Docherty
Half-forwards 2. Troy Menzel 28. Tom Bell 22. Jason Tutt
Forwards 41. Levi Casboult 23. Lachie Henderson 33. Andrejs Everitt
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 9. Patrick Cripps 35. Ed Curnow
Interchange 12. Blaine Boekhorst 14. Liam Jones 20. Nick Holman
34. Brad Walsh
Emergencies 18. Kristian Jaksch 30. Blaine Johnson 24. Mark Whiley
In: Jones, Boekhorst
Out: Carrazzo (foot), Fields (omitted)
I really can't see how Jones could get a game ahead of Jaksch, but then I couldn't see why we added to him to our list either.
I would have kept Fields in the side ahead of Tutt too. The latter is an honest trier but he really lacks awareness an dis going to brushed aside by the Hawks.
Agree....Fields would learn more playing Hawthorn than he would in half a season of VFL footy, how Jones gets a game ahead of Jaksch is absurd...so much for form in the NB's
being the criteria for selection.....Boekhorst didnt do enough either to get a game although I dont mind seeing him get another chance to show something vs a team that are going to be physical which will be a test for him. Good to see Walsh retained and hope he gets a good lack at Sam Mitchell close up to see how its done...
Well, he didn't really get near it TBH. Didn't look likely. I guess we don't really have anything to lose by playing him. I'm more pissed about Everitt getting a game.
Well, that's why they are picking him.
I think he may be a better long term prospect than Nick G TBH.
Agree....Fields would learn more playing Hawthorn than he would in half a season of VFL footy, how Jones gets a game ahead of Jaksch is absurd...so much for form in the NB's
being the criteria for selection.....Boekhorst didnt do enough either to get a game although I dont mind seeing him get another chance to show something vs a team that are going to be physical which will be a test for him. Good to see Walsh retained and hope he gets a good lack at Sam Mitchell close up to see how its done...
Jones has more game experience.
Still think they are trying to get the balance right of playing kids but not traumatising them, which is bloody hard with so many kids.
Looks pretty obvious to me Barker is doing everything he can to get them in.
.....and lets face it, compared to the bloke before he's a revolutionary.
Putting KJ in now would unbalance tbe backline a great deal. We already have two tall defenders in Rowe and Jamison. And i see little point to throw him forward and disrupt his string of consistent footy in the ressies. He will be a very good recruit for the club. He is a young KP that needs time to develop and fill out. Plenty of opportunities in the future.
Guess jones gets another crack; perhaps there is a view that the hawthorn defence struggles a bit in the air at the moment. Can't see it myself, and the ball will come out of our forward line awfully fast bar heroic efforts from our mob. Something needs to click for him. He seems to have some good attributes but doesnt run the right patterns. He has a chance.
Be good to see Boekhorst again. Another player that is only in his first year but will develop into a good footballer for us. Big jump to the AFL, regardless of the 'maturity' of the player.
Gosh we look weak. What a difference half a season makes.
I meant Jones B4L. I reckon Jaksch has a future with us.
One would hope so seeing he cost us pick 7.
I saw him play in the VFL a fortnight ago and he had a good game but it's a worry that he can't force his way into such a weak side.
I don't buy the "big blokes take longer" line, the good ones don't.
Tongue firmly in cheek Cookie :)
It should have been a good opportunity to put a competitive side on the park while giving some promising young blokes an opportunity to show what they can do. Recalling Jones isn't paramount to tanking but it does smack of the club trying to sugar coat a list management blunder.
OK! :))
Agree about Jones btw.
Jones ahead of Jaksch, WTF :o :o :o ::)
I noticed at JBs recent media conference that one of the journos mentioned Jaksch playing well and wanting to know if he was in line for a call up. JB sarcastically (little of the MM about that one) asked the guy if he'd seen Jaksch play last time. The journo answered that he was going by an article on our website - JB looked like a goose and obviously had no intention of promoting Jaksch. Very disappointing. Ducks and drakes... I thought this scheissen was done and dusted.
Come on guys, its obvious we are playing Jones to improve his trade value. Play him as a defender if he is in the side. Give him a chance to be of some use to the side. As a forward he offers very little. As a defender we don't know as we haven't tried him there yet.
Jones ahead of Jaksch, WTF :o :o :o ::)
I noticed at JBs recent media conference that one of the journos mentioned Jaksch playing well and wanting to know if he was in line for a call up. JB sarcastically (little of the MM about that one) asked the guy if he'd seen Jaksch play last time. The journo answered that he was going by an article on our website - JB looked like a goose and obviously had no intention of promoting Jaksch. Very disappointing. Ducks and drakes... I thought this scheissen was done and dusted.
I think you're seeing something that's not there.
I don't rate your ability to judge a coach either just quietly.
His pathetic defensive efforts over the last two games. Has been atrocious. Should not get a game this week.
That's the way with the 'modern' game plan. Defense is secondary.
Be careful what you wish for.
I think that despite some efforts last week, he has the runs on the board.
I'd be dropping Yazz before Everitt.
That's the way with the 'modern' game plan. Defense is secondary.
Be careful what you wish for.
I think that despite some efforts last week, he has the runs on the board.
I'd be dropping Yazz before Everitt.
I wouldn't be dropping either of them.
We knew what we were getting with Everitt and most other teams could cover his occasional lack of defensive intensity. We do need his inside 50s and goal scoring ability.
Yarran was OK against Fremantle - apart from one shocker. He has been quiet by his standards but perhaps he's playing to instructions. He is certainly not one of our worst performer.
That's the way with the 'modern' game plan. Defense is secondary.
Be careful what you wish for.
I think that despite some efforts last week, he has the runs on the board.
I'd be dropping Yazz before Everitt.
I would have dropped Everitt to make a point...like Yarran he picks and chooses when to go and last week he pulled out
of contests and let the team down....if he was playing with Hawthorn he would have been told by the leadership group it wasnt good enough IMO..
A senior player like Jordan Lewis would have been in his ear and told him what was expected...this is what we have to see our leaders deliver
and not just rely on the coaching staff to get players to perform. Its one all in and Everitt needs to go when its his turn, no one expects him to be a bash and crash player but
when its your turn to take a hit for the team thats what you do....
Everitt has this idea because his skills are better than most on the list he can bludge his way through games and be excused the hard work..ditto for Yarran..
crap guys.
Saw a stat on BF that we are 1600 games v 3200 games.
11 guys with less than 50 games v 3.
Can't play every kid, it would be a slaughter that would do nothing for development, the fans or our future. It's also Murphs 200th game.
I'm sure JK will play shortly as will some others, but we are down to a skeleton crew of experience so they have to play.
crap guys.
Saw a stat on BF that we are 1600 games v 3200 games.
11 guys with less than 50 games v 3.
Can't play every kid, it would be a slaughter that would do nothing for development, the fans or our future. It's also Murphs 200th game.
I'm sure JK will play shortly as will some others, but we are down to a skeleton crew of experience so they have to play.
Yes, there must be a fine line between giving young blokes experience against the better teams and scarring them for life.
We're pretty close to our best available team but I would have Wood, Jaksch and Fields in for Jones, Tutt and Boekhorst. I am prepared to concede that Fields needs a break and it would be too much to play him against the Hawks.
Surely Carrazzo is taking the p!ss with yet ANOTHER injury.......head-shaking stuff. Stick a fork in him, he's cooked.
Yes, there must be a fine line between giving young blokes experience against the better teams and scarring them for life.
We're pretty close to our best available team but I would have Wood, Jaksch and Fields in for Jones, Tutt and Boekhorst. I am prepared to concede that Fields needs a break and it would be too much to play him against the Hawks.
Reckon JK is around the corner.
Tutts been Ok.
jones is here whether we like it or not.
BB showed some good form in the VFL.
Anyway, just think people are being unrealistic with the how many personnel changes are possible given the state of the list and injuries.
Who would have thought 6 weeks ago we'd be getting games into Walsh, Fields, Holman, graham (if he wasn't injured) .
I'm pretty happy with what's going on.
Reckon JK is around the corner.
Tutts been Ok.
jones is here whether we like it or not.
BB showed some good form in the VFL.
Anyway, just think people are being unrealistic with the how many personnel changes are possible given the state of the list and injuries.
Who would have thought 6 weeks ago we'd be getting games into Walsh, Fields, Holman, graham (if he wasn't injured) .
I'm pretty happy with what's going on.
Me too!
I'm just not 100% convinced about some of the marginal selection decisions.
I think you're seeing something that's not there.
I don't rate your ability to judge a coach either just quietly.
Nothing quiet about it, you shout it loudly every chance you get... still haven't gotten over the Ratts criticisms eh? There is very effective therapy for the harbouring such bitterness... not good for the soul you know ;) :-*
It wasn't a judgement of the coach, it was a call re him not being aware of what the website was arguing re a case for Jaksch. And that Jaksch wasn't going to get a look in this week as his form wasn't quite there. Didn't watch the segment?
Nothing quiet about it, you shout it loudly every chance you get... still haven't gotten over the Ratts criticisms eh? There is very effective therapy for the harbouring such bitterness... not good for the soul you know ;) :-*
It wasn't a judgement of the coach, it was a call re him not being aware of what the website was arguing re a case for Jaksch. And that Jaksch wasn't going to get a look in this week as his form wasn't quite there. Didn't watch the segment?
Classic overreaction from Micks last supporter. ;D
Baggers ;Dmaking a mountain out of a mole hill.
It was barely a blip but somehow it's the return of Lord Maltymort! ;D
That's the way with the 'modern' game plan. Defense is secondary.
Be careful what you wish for.
Man you are a shight talker extraordinaire at times. The highlight of our more attacking game plan when we beat Port and challenged other sides was our hard chasing and tackling, defence was far from secondary, but sometimes you just can't help yourself. That tackling intensity has dropped off from some players, Everitt being one of the major players to drop off with some insipid efforts in the last two weeks.
I think that despite some efforts last week, he has the runs on the board.
I'd be dropping Yazz before Everitt.
Agreed. Prior to the last couple of weeks he was one of the positives for the season.
Yarran has been average all year and has completely gone off the boil since Barker came in and dropped him.
It's true, Yarran too has lost the plot, poor management from Barker that seems to have backfired on him. Still, you simply cannot forgive ducking out of marking contests, especially from a bloke that is six foot plus. That is a complete no-no and has been for 150+ years. Barker is weak for keeping him (Everitt) in.
He is starting to lose me a little is Barker, just ever so slightly.
Tackle pressure seems to be the mantra of the game atm for sure. Ours seems to have eased of a bit in the last couple of games from what I have seen after a pretty keen start under JB.
It's true, Yarran too has lost the plot, poor management from Barker that seems to have backfired on him. Still, you simply cannot forgive ducking out of marking contests, especially from a bloke that is six foot plus. That is a complete no-no and has been for 150+ years. Barker is weak for keeping him (Everitt) in.
He is starting to lose me a little is Barker, just ever so slightly.
If the president exerts his influence we will have a different coach irrespective of the process.
More than the one agenda behind decision too.
It's true, Yarran too has lost the plot, poor management from Barker that seems to have backfired on him. Still, you simply cannot forgive ducking out of marking contests, especially from a bloke that is six foot plus. That is a complete no-no and has been for 150+ years. Barker is weak for keeping him (Everitt) in.
He is starting to lose me a little is Barker, just ever so slightly.
...and that's exactly why (and that other thing) we got rid of Garlett. Serial head ducker. Worst part about that was, it only crept into his game later in his career. Was never there when he was a 60ish kg rookie! :o
Agreed. Prior to the last couple of weeks he was one of the positives for the season.
Yarran has been average all year and has completely gone off the boil since Barker came in and dropped him.
He's been completely off the boil since the Chapman incident...that was pre Barker.
Whether that's because he felt a lack of support from some team-mates or not, who can say for sure.
But there may be some internal issues contributing to his attitude.
If the president exerts his influence we will have a different coach irrespective of the process.
More than the one agenda behind decision too.
So we're still a club divided? ::)
So we're still a club divided? ::)
I don't think it means we're divided. We find that out later if we're divided, whether people at the club support the decision (be it of the team or iron fist) or work to undermine.
Reckon JK is around the corner.
Tutts been Ok.
jones is here whether we like it or not.
BB showed some good form in the VFL.
Anyway, just think people are being unrealistic with the how many personnel changes are possible given the state of the list and injuries.
Who would have thought 6 weeks ago we'd be getting games into Walsh, Fields, Holman, graham (if he wasn't injured) .
I'm pretty happy with what's going on.
I'm happy with the young blokes being played but not a fan of Tutt or Jones and would be working on a way to move them on.
If the president exerts his influence we will have a different coach irrespective of the process.
More than the one agenda behind decision too.
That tells me he must have a specific individual in mind?
That tells me he must have a specific individual in mind?
Simon Lloyd seems to be the front runner if you believe the media from last weekend.....
If the president exerts his influence we will have a different coach irrespective of the process.
More than the one agenda behind decision too.
That tells me that we have a new president, but we still have the 'old carlton' and have learned nothing.
Sad times ahead.
I think you're seeing something that's not there.
I don't rate your ability to judge a coach either just quietly.
He has done simply what everyone else on here did with Malthouse.
Analysed and re-analysed comments until they found something to be unhappy with.
Until we all figure out, that what the coach states in public to the media, has no bearing on his relationship with the player, or what understanding that player has with the coach the quicker we will be happier with what our coaches say in press conferences.
The media have their own agenda, and often it has nothing to do with the truth and all about asking loaded questions to draw this exact result from people because it becomes a conversational talking point, and a method to sell more stories moving forward.
The best way to navigate through the crap, is simply not to get sucked in by it.
Until we all figure out, that what the coach states in public to the media, has no bearing on his relationship with the player, or what understanding that player has with the coach the quicker we will be happier with what our coaches say in press conferences.
We shouldn't excuse Mick's lack of discipline. Of course if someone tells you one thing and says something else in the media you're going to have zero respect for them unless they make it very clear to you upfront that he's going to be talking crap to the media and even then you'd questiontheir integrity.
Hawks by a real real lot
We shouldn't excuse Mick's lack of discipline. Of course if someone tells you one thing and says something else in the media you're going to have zero respect for them unless they make it very clear to you upfront that he's going to be talking crap to the media and even then you'd questiontheir integrity.
Not excusing it.
Not by any measure, but I have seen many instances where different interpreations of the same comment draw the ire of people sometimes, and sometimes not with the comments being pretty much the same sort of thing.
What we don't have an understanding of in this instance, is what Kristian Jaksch, and Barker have in terms of a relationship, nor what Barker's actual thoughts of Jaksch games are. He is simply sending a message of not being dictated to by media surrounding Jaksch and when he will play senior footy.
All that aside, we are ignoring something about Jaksch.
1. He had that shocking foot injury during pre season.
2. He punctured a lung vs Richmond.
3. He has been a little out of his depth thus far at AFL level, and we need to look after his best interests.
Playing him vs Hawthorn is a natural reaction for us, because we want to see what he can do, and largely most people here don't see Liam Jones as a viable forward option. All of that is fine, but currently, Jones is more consistently competitive at AFL level and Jaksch doesnt have the greatest base to go on and make an impact so shielding him from the past 3 or 4 games is probably better for him as a player, than putting him against one of the better defenses in the AFL (if we want to play him forward) and ruining whatever confidence he may have built thus far about making the grade.
Again, the comment in itself isnt the problem. Its the interpretation. We start forgetting what the coach and think about the agenda of the bloke asking the question (drawing this reaction, and perhaps creating another story for themselves in liew of any real news to write about) and we take that power away from the media, and we can worry about the serious stuff like getting the best out of our footy club.
We shouldn't excuse Mick's lack of discipline. Of course if someone tells you one thing and says something else in the media you're going to have zero respect for them unless they make it very clear to you upfront that he's going to be talking crap to the media and even then you'd questiontheir integrity.
I think Mick has clearly said that what he says to the media and what he says to the players are different.
He said he'll defend his players to the media and deflect any attention they might receive onto himself.
He said IF he ever decides to have a go at a player publicly, it is not done so in an off-the-cuff manner and is usually pre-planned to get a desired result.
I think a lot of people see the coach in the public eye and that is them. It is not. It's all a game. Some coaches loathe the media, Mick would certainly be one. Coaches give the cliches and get the hell out of dodge and go deal with the players.
Brad Scott got roasted gor being honest this week so you can't really win.
Jones is a dead set spud, if he's getting a game our list is crape.
Hawthorn by 80 points plus is my tip, if we can keep it to 8 goals or less I'll be stoked.
Simon Lloyd seems to be the front runner if you believe the media from last weekend.....
Hope not. Don't want anyone who has never played at AFL level.
Simon Lloyd seems to be the front runner if you believe the media from last weekend.....
Could well be, especially with the Ross Lyon/SOS connection. I just hope the "process" is not compromised that's all.
What does MM have to do with this game. Stay on topic.
What does MM have to do with this game. Stay on topic.
I agree guys stop getting sucked back in to MM debates by the pro-Mickinites! :P
Could well be, especially with the Ross Lyon/SOS connection. I just hope the "process" is not compromised that's all.
There's a fair chance it will be seeing as it's the first time in our history that we've even had a process to begin with, I'm thinking it will be all too hard and they'll just give the gig to Barker.
Whoever gets the job won't be coaching us in four or five years anyway so it doesn't matter much who they pick.
I miss Juddy.
There's a fair chance it will be seeing as it's the first time in our history that we've even had a process to begin with, I'm thinking it will be all too hard and they'll just give the gig to Barker.
Whoever gets the job won't be coaching us in four or five years anyway so it doesn't matter much who they pick.
Won't be Barker after tonights effort.
Honeymoon over. 'Our' players true colours shining through yet again.
Won't be Barker after tonights effort.
Honeymoon over. 'Our' players true colours shining through yet again.
If our players true colours are shining through then I doubt it's much to do with the coach alone and more to do with cultural change as a starting point. I noted that Barker spoke about that very thing in the press conference and many commentators have mentioned it as part of a ground up rebuild that Carlton needs to undertake. This could take another five years.
If our players true colours are shining through then I doubt it's much to do with the coach alone and more to do with cultural change as a starting point. I noted that Barker spoke about that very thing in the press conference and many commentators have mentioned it as part of a ground up rebuild that Carlton needs to undertake. This could take another five years.
Club made it pretty clear that it thinks we have 3 years at the bottom of the ladder ahead of us early in the year.
Club made it pretty clear that it thinks we have 3 years at the bottom of the ladder ahead of us early in the year.
I think they've under quoted.
Won't be Barker after tonights effort.
Honeymoon over. 'Our' players true colours shining through yet again.
Don't you dare question the players, as clearly the coach is at fault.
Clarkson said we are on the right track playing the kids and the Hawks were in the same position in 2005 and got belted by an experienced Port Power team when they fielded a young team with little experience...coach had no bearing on tonights result IMO..
5-7 years away IMO with no easy short cuts to be had no matter who the new coach is....
Don't you dare question the players, as clearly the coach is at fault.
Poor delusional Thry. Still can't cop that he was so wrong about Mick.