Apparently there's a game next week.
North Melbourne v Carlton
Friday, July 19 - 19:50
Etihad Stadium
A win puts us temporarily in the 8 and if St Kilda beat Port, we stay there (assuming West Coast don't give Sydney a frightful flogging).
Does Carrots start as sub? Does Watson get another gig?
Apparently there's a game next week.
North Melbourne v Carlton
Friday, July 19 - 17:50
Etihad Stadium
Discuss. Does Carrots start as sub?
If he isn't fit, then he shouldn't be playing. We need him right, not half fit and formless.
The question also comes up about Murphy's hamstring.
Then the unfortunate truth that we have little to promote to replace them, if we must. Menzel & Graham?
Apparently there's a game next week.
North Melbourne v Carlton
Friday, July 19 - 17:50
Etihad Stadium
Discuss. Does Carrots start as sub?
If he isn't fit, then he shouldn't be playing. We need him right, not half fit and formless.
The question also comes up about Murphy's hamstring.
Then the unfortunate truth that we have little to promote to replace them, if we must. Menzel & Graham?
You negative Nelly. ;D
Hopefully the AFL beef up security to stop the North fans from booing and abusing Judd.
The Diving Cheat is back from suspension just in time for his annual Friday night birthday.
The Diving Cheat is back from suspension just in time for his annual Friday night birthday.
Zac Touhy will be waiting for him, did the job on Milne and can get the job done on Thomas IMO.
The Diving Cheat is back from suspension just in time for his annual Friday night birthday.
Zac Touhy will be waiting for him, did the job on Milne and can get the job done on Thomas IMO.
The more I see of this kid, the more I like him. Need more 2E types.
The Diving Cheat is back from suspension just in time for his annual Friday night birthday.
Zac Touhy will be waiting for him, did the job on Milne and can get the job done on Thomas IMO.
I think Touhy might have to be very wary of Thomas, he goes to ground so much that Touhy could find himself in that indecisive mindset of not knowing which way to go. Clubs should be taking tapes of Thomas to the AFL and asking them if they now get that they have made it near impossible to play on cheats. This game really is the season defining game. Brisbane knocked off North after they gave up yet another lead, but overall North have been competitive and in a position to win almost every game this year and have had terrible lapses that have thrown their season away (remind you of another club?). I think they have probably in fact (at their best) played pretty much like a top 4 team, but they simply cannot manage to sustain it and (like when clubs play us), every single club in the competition knows that it is not over until the final siren, because they give up huge leads.
I wrote something about Watson and who he plays on if he plays, I don't see there being any option other than Tarrant, but then again I would seriously consider dropping Tarrant and bringing in Majak and I would do that because you know that it would be Watson playing on him. Watson doesn't initiate body contact (something Daw has a really really bad time with) and he doesn't have quick acceleration.
If the forward line is Daw/Black/Petrie, then it leaves us with a huge conundrum. I imagine Hendo will be up forward, so that leaves McInnes, Jamo and Watson as the tall defenders.
Jamo on Petrie... I don't know why but he has had issues with Petrie before, which is strange, because while Petrie is very strong, he is not quick at all and is poor at ground level.
McInnes on Black... Probably the best match-up for Black if Hendo is up the other end.
Watson on Tarrant/Daw... I think Watson can beat Tarrant (who is as soft as butter), but I could imagine Daw producing a result like he did against the Dogs if Watson played on him.
Do we play Rowe plus (Casboult or another tall) up front and bring Henderson back, then drop Watson?
It will be interesting to see how a master like Mick goes about handling one of the genuine 3 tall forward lines in the competition.
The other thing is that they don't have exceptional runners, but they do have excellent clearance players and a brilliant ruck. I would be asking our ruck to not try and get to fancy against Goldstein, barrel into him all night and thump the ball. Try and blow him up by around 3/4 time.
If we can do that, they are going to need to consider pulling Petrie from the forward line to assist Goldy in the ruck and then we our talls should be able to take hold of Tarrant/Daw and Black. Neither Tarrant nor Daw is likely to be a great option with a major defender on them.
If we win this game we can genuinely consider ourselves back in the hunt, but if we lose then we should be sending the likes of Murphy (who has had a horrible season) off for some early operations in preparation for next season.
Footnote: Statistically Murphy has not been this poor since 2007 (his 2nd season), his disposals this year are on average between 79-80% the number of his disposals the previous 2 seasons, basically Murphy's full game output is similar to what he was doing in 3 quarters last season and it shows.
The interesting question will be what to do if Waite is ok to play. I thought Watson did enough to keep his spot, only conceded 1 goal and disposal around the ground was A grade. Having Hendo up forward makes us look a lot more dangerous. Rowe did everything that was asked of him. Would we have a look at the 3 (genuine) forward set up?
Gees we owe this mob of diving, sniping, squealing hypocrites more than just about anybody, but thanks to the small paper for the acid treatment... just about guaranteed norf win this week.
Don't expect anything other than a truckload of pineapples from the judicating personnel as well... really worried that what we saw against ST K will be amount to nothing more than a "dead cat bounce".
Hopefully the AFL beef up security to stop the North fans from booing and abusing Judd.
Yep, and they show how hypocritical they are by passionately defending Jack "I'm not going to change the way I play" Zeibell to the last breath.
A win puts us temporarily in the 8 and if St Kilda beat Port, we stay there (assuming West Coast don't give Sydney a frightful flogging).
Why are you talking about the 8? We're in the 9, and that's all that's needed. If the AFL don't remove Essendon from the finals, it will be a laughing stock, especially if they go on to win the flag.
I thought Watson did enough to keep his spot
It concerns me though how slow he is when his opponent leads off him.
I thought Watson did enough to keep his spot
It concerns me though how slow he is when his opponent leads off him.
He can only learn this by playing AFL games and working hard on his closing speed with training drills. His big body was fine where he came from but he needs to develop more speed and stamina, along with endurance to take the next step. he has plenty of potential if he is prepared to do some hard work to get there.
I thought Watson did enough to keep his spot
It concerns me though how slow he is when his opponent leads off him.
He can only learn this by playing AFL games and working hard on his closing speed with training drills. His big body was fine where he came from but he needs to develop more speed and stamina, along with endurance to take the next step. he has plenty of potential if he is prepared to do some hard work to get there.
Well I hope his selection was based around your premise Mants. The kid is a sublime kick so if he could improve dramatically his deficiencies he would become a huge asset.
A win puts us temporarily in the 8 and if St Kilda beat Port, we stay there (assuming West Coast don't give Sydney a frightful flogging).
Why are you talking about the 8? We're in the 9, and that's all that's needed. If the AFL don't remove Essendon from the finals, it will be a laughing stock, especially if they go on to win the flag.
Masters of our own destiny, we dont want to rely on others, blah, bkah.
Plus I wouldn't be surprised to see this carry over past September (and the AFL will hope one of Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong will knock them out).but that's a discussion for the essendon thread.
We say it every week but this really is a big game. Friday Night Football, the two best sides not in the 8 that should have at least a couple more wins each. No where to hide for the loser.
Who would be Watson's best match up this week? To be used to best advantage, we need to utilise his kicking skills on the rebound. That means he'd be best off if we could put him on someone who'll be reasonably static around the goalsquare, allowing him to sag off for the handball receive out of defence. And of course he's most likely to be exposed by a fast leading forward who can double back towards the goalsquare. Petrie's probably too mobile for him. Hansen's out injured now, isn't he? Are they playing a 2nd ruckman as a secondary target at the moment? If so, that could be the go. Majak Daw would be too explosive, but at the moment he's not really a high possession player and I'm guessing he's not good defensively.
All our remaining games are important now of course, but this one is especially so since it's our chance to prove that last week was not just a flash in the pan against a crap team. This week we can demonstrate that we can put away those teams we should be putting away!
Getting hammered from pillar to post by the media.
Watch them respond! ::) ::) ::)
Who would be Watson's best match up this week? To be used to best advantage, we need to utilise his kicking skills on the rebound. That means he'd be best off if we could put him on someone who'll be reasonably static around the goalsquare, allowing him to sag off for the handball receive out of defence. And of course he's most likely to be exposed by a fast leading forward who can double back towards the goalsquare. Petrie's probably too mobile for him. Hansen's out injured now, isn't he? Are they playing a 2nd ruckman as a secondary target at the moment? If so, that could be the go. Majak Daw would be too explosive, but at the moment he's not really a high possession player and I'm guessing he's not good defensively.
This is a really important issue that you've raised, Mav: Watson would not be a good match up on Daw, because Daw has pace and doesn't relate well to physical pressure. I'm not sure we do have anyone who fits that classification,but Watson isn't it.
A year or so ago I would have put Laidler on Daw: Laidler doesn't have the pace, but he is spot on for the body contact, reads the ball well in the air and often plays on bigger with success. That is not a likely match up.
I guess we'll have to watch to see who North is considering as its 2nd or 3rd tall forward.
We say it every week but this really is a big game. Friday Night Football, the two best sides not in the 8 that should have at least a couple more wins each. No where to hide for the loser.
Yes agree and I love the fact that there is nowhere to hide if you lose. Our players must perform or get exposed - they responded against the Saints and North will be desperate to avert their slide. Good test for us as North are usually a hard at it team and we've struggled to beat them physically for too long.
Getting hammered from pillar to post by the media.
Watch them respond! ::) ::) ::)
This sort of attention doesn't seem to inspire us to perform, and I don't think it will be any better for the Shinboners.
North shares a common issue with us - they're good when they have the momentum but don't react well when the opposition has it. As some commentators have noted, they don't have players who instinctively roll back to stem the tide (cf. Geelong). How Scott must wish that he could be a coach on the ground as happens in the U10s, or that he could fit every player with an earpiece and micromanage them when the going gets tough. Fancy not getting men behind the ball in a number of games this year when they coughed up good leads in the last few minutes. The collective IQ to do the right things develops glacially rather than overnight because of media stories. Let's face it, Brad Scott is a former hard-nosed defender and it's impossible to believe he hasn't tried to inculcate a defensive mindset into his players over the last couple of years. No doubt his game plan tells the players what they should do to wrest control of a game, and yet the players haven't been able to apply it.
Media attention might be able to increase a side's collective intensity, but it's not as if North have lacked this. They are usually the side that jumps out of the blocks well. Media scrutiny, if it would have any value, would impact that initial phase of the game. After half-time, it's pretty unlikely that there'd be any residual benefit. By that stage, the way the game has unfolded and physical stress would have made the players forget the pre-game happenings.
I thought Watson did enough to keep his spot
It concerns me though how slow he is when his opponent leads off him.
Did notice one or two times how well he closed once he got going. Maybe to catch Reiwoldt on the lead in the last qtr and got the spoil in.
Never let us down in any game with the seniors so it's fair we persist.
Hopefully Waite's fit. Would love a 3-pronged forward line.
Who would be Watson's best match up this week? To be used to best advantage, we need to utilise his kicking skills on the rebound. That means he'd be best off if we could put him on someone who'll be reasonably static around the goalsquare, allowing him to sag off for the handball receive out of defence. And of course he's most likely to be exposed by a fast leading forward who can double back towards the goalsquare. Petrie's probably too mobile for him. Hansen's out injured now, isn't he? Are they playing a 2nd ruckman as a secondary target at the moment? If so, that could be the go. Majak Daw would be too explosive, but at the moment he's not really a high possession player and I'm guessing he's not good defensively.
This is a really important issue that you've raised, Mav: Watson would not be a good match up on Daw, because Daw has pace and doesn't relate well to physical pressure. I'm not sure we do have anyone who fits that classification,but Watson isn't it.
A year or so ago I would have put Laidler on Daw: Laidler doesn't have the pace, but he is spot on for the body contact, reads the ball well in the air and often plays on bigger with success. That is not a likely match up.
I guess we'll have to watch to see who North is considering as its 2nd or 3rd tall forward.
IMO, they only one who could play on Daw to match his freaky atheltism is Waite.
I wonder how an underdone Betts will pull up this week.
Mick stated him being a bit ginger was the reason for being the sub.
The three amigo's are due to fire...!
If Waite is right to play Id bring him back in and play him, Henderson and Rowe forward to get one off the leash against Thompson and Grima. Keep Watson in and down back with Jamison. Id like one of Graham or Menzel in this week.
North play transition football as well as anyone. As others have mentioned there problem is controlling the tempo of the game when the opposition has momentum. Stkilda were still able to move the ball through the centre of the ground fairly easily last week. We need to raise our defensive intensity against North. Our 3 small forwards need to apply huge pressure to keep the ball in. Pressure North and take away their space and you suffocate them. We need to raise our game.
Hopefully the AFL beef up security to stop the North fans from booing and abusing Judd.
Post of the week right there.....love your work mbb, love it......
http://www.nmfc.com.au/
North whacked a picture of Juddy on their website
what are they trying to do?
My team as follows:
Waite in Carrots Out Robbo to get form in the 2's
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2uikm6f.png)
I wonder if we will take carrotts and Scotland in this week
For some reason I feel Scotland will be dropped for bootsma
Really Lance? I thought Scotland was back to his best last weekend. He did some great work for us. I had had a few beers though, so my judgement may have been slightly off.
Scotland has tapered off this year, no doubt about it. Finding it harder to get the pill and efficiency is way down on previous years
Carrazzo plays unless injured IMO.
Surely another big Friday night game = another disappoitning loss.....why change the trend now?! :'(
Surely another big Friday night game = another disappointing loss.....why change the trend now?! :'(
I gave out my first like Brettie.
It's just all too predictable. North get themselves up for their only Friday Night Game (small club syndrome) and we wilt under their added intensity and Pressure.
Also beat this mob and basically ends there season as we go 2 games ahead... which as you know means we wont turn up to play.
North by 5 goals.
Don't think that Waite's going to get up this week. HS had him listed as 2 weeks on the Barometer.
Think the changes will be minimal. I wouldn't be rushing Robinson back in even if he's fit as his form hasn't been great.
Maybe Graham for Murphy (if injured) and wouldn't mind seeing either Menzel or Buckley come in for one of the smalls.
Surely another big Friday night game = another disappointing loss.....why change the trend now?! :'(
I gave out my first like Brettie.
It's just all too predictable. North get themselves up for their only Friday Night Game (small club syndrome) and we wilt under their added intensity and Pressure.
Also beat this mob and basically ends there season as we go 2 games ahead... which as you know means we wont turn up to play.
North by 5 goals.
IN THE BAG CHAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blues by 24+
The Kangabies grow an extra leg for a Friday night game... as they believe they invented it! This will be a huge challenge for us. So important not to let them get off to a good start. 8pt game for us :-[ ;)
Surely another big Friday night game = another disappointing loss.....why change the trend now?! :'(
I gave out my first like Brettie.
It's just all too predictable. North get themselves up for their only Friday Night Game (small club syndrome) and we wilt under their added intensity and Pressure.
Also beat this mob and basically ends there season as we go 2 games ahead... which as you know means we wont turn up to play.
North by 5 goals.
IN THE BAG CHAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blues by 24+
You've been doing okay of late with the predictions CIMM but I reckon we are just travelling along at the minute. Slightly upward hill ahead and I think that will be too much for us.
Been thinking (very dangerous), is our attitude a problem? That is, we (CSC, CFC et al) seem to have this constant "ooo gee, better be on our game, this mob has the wood on us" even if they are a worse performed side. Is it time to start adopting the "fork them, we are better than they are, come and get us if your good enough" atttitude? Its time for major attitude shift I reckon, might help some of our players become/behave a little more extroverted. Well I'm gonna give it a try from now.
Fork this mob, they aren't a patch on the shin boners of old. We will pump em by 5 goals minumum.
Stating that is all well and good GIC, but we need our lads to step up and walk the walk so to speak.
Bring on Friday night I say though, loving Blues in prime time on fta tv. And if we play like crap, then flick over to the Ashes at lords for a bit... (it might be worse over there though!)
Whether we, as supporters, think it's going to be a tough game or not won't impact the players.
The players believing they can go out and win no matter the opponent is a different challenge - lead by the coach. Saying the list isn't good enough probably doesn't help instill that attitude but remember that we have been out of the top 4 for 13 years - that's a generation of players. We can't just say change your attitude to this and it will happen. That's going to take time and work and winning games of football.
This weeks game will tell me a little bit about where the players are with their mental toughness. Win and it's a step forward, lose and MM has an even tougher job ahead of him than I 1st thought!
This weeks game will tell me a little bit about where the players are with their mental toughness. Win and it's a step forward, lose and MM has an even tougher job ahead of him than I 1st thought!
We will win, nothing surer. Better list, better coach.
This weeks game will tell me a little bit about where the players are with their mental toughness. Win and it's a step forward, lose and MM has an even tougher job ahead of him than I 1st thought!
We will win, nothing surer. Better list, better coach.
I like your confidence !! Unfortunately I don't share it .................. yet !!
Bookies don't like us:
Nth $1.80
Blues $2.02
Will change after selection, as they are the walking wounded.
This weeks game will tell me a little bit about where the players are with their mental toughness. Win and it's a step forward, lose and MM has an even tougher job ahead of him than I 1st thought!
Sums up my sentiments as well.
This is a game, for us, about mental toughness... for 4 quarters. It's about being mentally tough, no matter what. It's about resilience and absorbing mongrel acts (from the Kangabies... very, very good at sniping). We've more talent on the paddock and a better game plan. But that amounts to zilch if you aint got the ruthless focus between the lug holes.
This weeks game will tell me a little bit about where the players are with their mental toughness. Win and it's a step forward, lose and MM has an even tougher job ahead of him than I 1st thought!
Sums up my sentiments as well.
This is a game, for us, about mental toughness... for 4 quarters. It's about being mentally tough, no matter what. It's about resilience and absorbing mongrel acts (from the Kangabies... very, very good at sniping). We've more talent on the paddock and a better game plan. But that amounts to zilch if you aint got the ruthless focus between the lug holes.
Agree and we'd better be prepared for what they will dish up to us or else it will end like the Collingwood game ::)
Remember Buckley saying his players would respond? Well that's what Scott said this week too. Plus the media have been analysing and criticising the Roos since their weekend capitulation to the Lions so they'll come out feisty and firing!
More acid applied to Norf today.... our chances receding rapidly.
What sort of a club are we when we write off our chances each week because the media attack our opposition. We have become a sad sad club.
Because the last decade has taught us the following;
1. Playing opposition who we always struggle to beat, even at our best (in this case because we arrogantly regarded them as an irrelevant club and tried to buy them to get their players).
2. Playing an opposition that we match up poorly against. They have a real ruck, proper structure and three tall forwards.
3. Playing opposition that physically intimidate us, sometimes with dog tactics, but generally they just play basic football that is too much for our seagulls. Goldstein, Swallow, Firrito and Petrie et al. treat us with contempt.
4. Playing opposition that were woeful last week, have been baked in media and thus have point to prove.
5. Big game with high stakes - winner is a chance of finals, loser is playing for draft pick position. We never, ever win those games.
6. Friday night game, so they want to play well to showcase their club.
7. Also Friday night, which means we'll probably get Ray. Ray + the diver = not a good night.
All equals an unsatisfactory result for us - the script is so familiar that it a cliché.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-07-11/waite-for-2-to-3 (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-07-11/waite-for-2-to-3)
Didn't someone say he was still an outside chance?
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-07-11/waite-for-2-to-3 (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-07-11/waite-for-2-to-3)
Didn't someone say he was still an outside chance?
They're all 2-3 weeks away. He'll probably not play again this year knowing our club
Because the last decade has taught us the following;
1. Playing opposition who we always struggle to beat, even at our best (in this case because we arrogantly regarded them as an irrelevant club and tried to buy them to get their players).
2. Playing an opposition that we match up poorly against. They have a real ruck, proper structure and three tall forwards.
3. Playing opposition that physically intimidate us, sometimes with dog tactics, but generally they just play basic football that is too much for our seagulls. Goldstein, Swallow, Firrito and Petrie et al. treat us with contempt.
4. Playing opposition that were woeful last week, have been baked in media and thus have point to prove.
5. Big game with high stakes - winner is a chance of finals, loser is playing for draft pick position. We never, ever win those games.
6. Friday night game, so they want to play well to showcase their club.
7. Also Friday night, which means we'll probably get Ray. Ray + the diver = not a good night.
All equals an unsatisfactory result for us - the script is so familiar that it a cliché.
Last year we were crippled with injury when we played them, I think we lost Tuohy in the warm up, and Walker and Joseph were injured and subbed off during the game (someone can confirm I was overseas). Ratts was criticised heavily after this loss too for some reason. This year we have almost a full list to choose from. No excuses.
Time for the team to stand up!
The boys played quite solidly against the Saints, except the half a quarter lapse in the first. I reckon Friday night will be our first game where we string together four solid qtrs and smash the Roos out of the park!
(Obviously my enthusiasm is at quite a high, but hey, sometimes it pays to be optimistic.)
GO BLUES!! ;D
Because the last decade has taught us the following;
1. Playing opposition who we always struggle to beat, even at our best (in this case because we arrogantly regarded them as an irrelevant club and tried to buy them to get their players).
2. Playing an opposition that we match up poorly against. They have a real ruck, proper structure and three tall forwards.
3. Playing opposition that physically intimidate us, sometimes with dog tactics, but generally they just play basic football that is too much for our seagulls. Goldstein, Swallow, Firrito and Petrie et al. treat us with contempt.
4. Playing opposition that were woeful last week, have been baked in media and thus have point to prove.
5. Big game with high stakes - winner is a chance of finals, loser is playing for draft pick position. We never, ever win those games.
6. Friday night game, so they want to play well to showcase their club.
7. Also Friday night, which means we'll probably get Ray. Ray + the diver = not a good night.
All equals an unsatisfactory result for us - the script is so familiar that it a cliché.
Last year we were crippled with injury when we played them, I think we lost Tuohy in the warm up, and Walker and Joseph were injured and subbed off during the game (someone can confirm I was overseas). Ratts was criticised heavily after this loss too for some reason. This year we have almost a full list to choose from. No excuses.
Murphy's first game back from that shoulder injury against Adelaide.
Tuohy was a late change in the warmup. Lucas came in for him.
Walker subbed off for a calf staring about 3/4 into the first for Lucas.
Moving Henderson from forward to back, is the move that killed Ratten this game. Hendo tweaked the hamstring chasing, but this was a move he made reactionary to Walker going off (and the one that I believe cost him his job as it was one way traffice from that point onwards) and he put Duigan forward after that.
Joseph was concussed halfway through the second.
Kreuzer pulled up lame from this one with that mystery leg injury that plagued him last season and was our only ruck vs North that game.
His coaching performance was too focussed on containing Petrie, who was given 3 goals by the umpires (from memory).
Should have left Henderson forward, might have saved his career.
Because the last decade has taught us the following;
1. Playing opposition who we always struggle to beat, even at our best (in this case because we arrogantly regarded them as an irrelevant club and tried to buy them to get their players).
2. Playing an opposition that we match up poorly against. They have a real ruck, proper structure and three tall forwards.
3. Playing opposition that physically intimidate us, sometimes with dog tactics, but generally they just play basic football that is too much for our seagulls. Goldstein, Swallow, Firrito and Petrie et al. treat us with contempt.
4. Playing opposition that were woeful last week, have been baked in media and thus have point to prove.
5. Big game with high stakes - winner is a chance of finals, loser is playing for draft pick position. We never, ever win those games.
6. Friday night game, so they want to play well to showcase their club.
7. Also Friday night, which means we'll probably get Ray. Ray + the diver = not a good night.
All equals an unsatisfactory result for us - the script is so familiar that it a cliché.
Last year we were crippled with injury when we played them, I think we lost Tuohy in the warm up, and Walker and Joseph were injured and subbed off during the game (someone can confirm I was overseas). Ratts was criticised heavily after this loss too for some reason. This year we have almost a full list to choose from. No excuses.
Murphy's first game back from that shoulder injury against Adelaide.
Tuohy was a late change in the warmup. Lucas came in for him.
Walker subbed off for a calf staring about 3/4 into the first for Lucas.
Moving Henderson from forward to back, is the move that killed Ratten this game. Hendo tweaked the hamstring chasing, but this was a move he made reactionary to Walker going off (and the one that I believe cost him his job as it was one way traffice from that point onwards) and he put Duigan forward after that.
Joseph was concussed halfway through the second.
Kreuzer pulled up lame from this one with that mystery leg injury that plagued him last season and was our only ruck vs North that game.
His coaching performance was too focussed on containing Petrie, who was given 3 goals by the umpires (from memory).
Should have left Henderson forward, might have saved his career.
Excellent summation there Thryleon - by far our most injury affected (and my most unenjoyable as a spectator) game of the year. I believe it was also the last time we saw Hendo for the year, as he succumbed to OP. Joseph was also playing a rare blinder before he got knocked senseless by Ziebell. Jamo also hurt his knee about halfway through the 2nd quarter I think. Judd nearly single-handedly dragged us back into the game in the 3rd, until THAT incident happened, then it was all downhill from there. Although not playing all that well right now, I'm pretty sure Carrazzo didn't play in that game either.
As someone mentioned earlier in the thread - they're banged up from their trip to Brizzy last week & if all of their doubtful are named (which is apparently what's gonna happen), then either 1 or 2 could be late withdrawals or they'll take their chances by playing multiple injured players.
What I would be interested in finding out, are the answers to the following questions:
How frequently since the inception of the sub rule, have we been forced to make that change through injury as opposed to our opponents who have been able to use theirs tactically?
How frequently have we won having to sub early?
How frequently have we ended up losing another player to injury after having subbed early?
I would love to see a comparison across all teams too and this might give us a clearer picture on why some games get lost.
All good questions Thry !!
Murphy may not play.
CARLTON skipper Marc Murphy remains in doubt for the Blues' crucial clash with North Melbourne at Etihad Stadium on Friday night but Mitch Robinson is set to return.
Robinson (arm) completed a full training session at Visy Park on Thursday morning but Murphy trained away from the main group.
Blues coach Mick Malthouse said he was hopeful Murphy would be passed fit to play despite suffering a twinge in his hamstring in the win over St Kilda last week.
Malthouse said the final decision on Murphy's fitness would be made on game day.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-18/murphy-in-doubt-for-blues
What I would be interested in finding out, are the answers to the following questions:
How frequently since the inception of the sub rule, have we been forced to make that change through injury as opposed to our opponents who have been able to use theirs tactically?
How frequently have we won having to sub early?
How frequently have we ended up losing another player to injury after having subbed early?
I would love to see a comparison across all teams too and this might give us a clearer picture on why some games get lost.
We had a sub tracker going for this year but we weren't maintaining it and it wasn't brought over to the updated site.
Murphy may not play.
CARLTON skipper Marc Murphy remains in doubt for the Blues' crucial clash with North Melbourne at Etihad Stadium on Friday night but Mitch Robinson is set to return.
Robinson (arm) completed a full training session at Visy Park on Thursday morning but Murphy trained away from the main group.
Blues coach Mick Malthouse said he was hopeful Murphy would be passed fit to play despite suffering a twinge in his hamstring in the win over St Kilda last week.
Malthouse said the final decision on Murphy's fitness would be made on game day.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-18/murphy-in-doubt-for-blues
Or was it a corked glute - very much doubt he would have come back on last weekend if it was anything 'hammy' related?
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/carlton-hope-captain-marc-murphy-is-fit-to-take-on-north-melbourne-on-friday-night/story-e6frf3e3-1226681327821#.UeeklkHIuWY (http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/carlton-hope-captain-marc-murphy-is-fit-to-take-on-north-melbourne-on-friday-night/story-e6frf3e3-1226681327821#.UeeklkHIuWY)
NORTH MELBOURNE
In: S.McMahon , L.Thomas
Out: M.Firrito, L.Greenwood
CARLTON
No changes
Firrito and Greenwood - 2 good players....
Also, no Robbo?
Notice Wallsy is giving the Kangabies the solution for tomorrow night... to adopt the 1987 mantra of the Mighty BlueBaggers - minute-by-minute. ???
Firrito and Greenwood - 2 good players....
Also, no Robbo?
Bout time, sorry I love the bloke but has been putrid this year.
Don't really like it when we go in unchanged. When we do this we lose quite often.
I know it is rewarding the team for winning the last game but it just gives me an uneasy feeling...but that is just me. :-\
North will have to make late changes I reckon.
They have 5-6 under a cloud and they left them all in.
Reckon they will activate their sub early
Must be a case of all or nothing.
Etihad Stadium, Friday 7:50pm AEST
NORTH MELBOURNE
B: Hansen, Thompson, Mullett
HB: Macmillan, Grima, McMahon
C: Gibson, Wells, Atley
HF: Cunnington, Petrie, Harvey
F: Black, Tarrant, Thomas
Foll: Goldstein, Swallow, Ziebell
I/C: McKenzie, Bastinac, Adams, Hine
Emg: Sierakowski, Greenwood, Delaney
In: Thomas, McMahon
Out: Greenwood, Firrito
CARLTON
B: Watson, Jamison, Henderson
HB: Tuohy, McInnes, Gibbs
C: Yarran, Judd, Simpson
HF: Curnow, Walker, Garlett
F: McLean, Rowe, Scotland
Foll: Kreuzer, Betts, Murphy
I/C: Carrazzo, Lucas, Cachia, Armfield
Emg: Robinson, White, Casboult
In: -
Out: -
To be honest, if Murphy isn't fit, I hope we don't play him. We have been burnt before. I never like playing unfit players. Same goes for Carrots: if he isn't 100%, then don't play him.
I hope they are fit, but I doubt it. Especially Murphy.
Murphy must be ok, as there is no emergencies to cover him if he pulls out. I thought Robbo but then he would be 100% either :-\
Murphy must be ok, as there is no emergencies to cover him if he pulls out. I thought Robbo but then he would be 100% either :-\
Watching the ABC news tonight it seems Robbo is OK to go if needed, so maybe he is cover for Murph?
Greenwood has been in good form, reckon he will play.......they also have three talls down back yet we only have two tall forwards reckon that will change also and they will go smaller....its a night game with what could be ordinary weather, my money is on Robbo coming in for Murphy.
Nth to start favourites.....I think Henderson will find himself with two opponents most of the night and it may be up to players like Garlett, Betts etc to kick a winning score..
Murphy must be ok, as there is no emergencies to cover him if he pulls out. I thought Robbo but then he would be 100% either :-\
Watching the ABC news tonight it seems Robbo is OK to go if needed, so maybe he is cover for Murph?
Do I detect another mysterious sub again ??
Greenwood has been in good form, reckon he will play.......they also have three talls down back yet we only have two tall forwards reckon that will change also and they will go smaller....its a night game with what could be ordinary weather, my money is on Robbo coming in for Murphy.
Nth to start favourites.....I think Henderson will find himself with two opponents most of the night and it may be up to players like Garlett, Betts etc to kick a winning score..
Roof will be closed so don't expect weather to be an issue.
Agree EB1 our smalls need to stand up tomorrow night or we will have no chance.
Reckon greenwood is going to replace swallow or mullet
Delaney will replace one of tarrant or Hansen
I get the feeling we might see Levi be a late in.
If we are to make finals, we have to games like this and because of that I reckon we'll actually play Murphy.
I get the feeling we might see Levi be a late in.
Greenwood or casboult?
And in for who?
Casboult. As for the out, im thinking Carrazzo or murphy.
If we are to make finals, we have to games like this and because of that I reckon we'll actually play Murphy.
If Murph plays it can't be a hammy surely. He was however reaching for his hammy you could see it clear as day and he couldn't chase. I reckon we can beat North without him anyway.
I reckon we can beat North without him anyway.
Should be able to beat North....
If we are to make finals, we have to games like this and because of that I reckon we'll actually play Murphy.
If Murph plays it can't be a hammy surely. He was however reaching for his hammy you could see it clear as day and he couldn't chase. I reckon we can beat North without him anyway.
it's his glute.... (though i think there are 4 of them?)
If their is a late change I'd expect Robbo followed by Laidler or Bootsma.
If we are to make finals, we have to games like this and because of that I reckon we'll actually play Murphy.
If Murph plays it can't be a hammy surely. He was however reaching for his hammy you could see it clear as day and he couldn't chase. I reckon we can beat North without him anyway.
it's his glute.... (though i think there are 4 of them?)
I think any glute injury would have some connection with lower back/hammy issues. I don't reckon he'll play.
If their is a late change I'd expect Robbo followed by Laidler or Bootsma.
Based on yesterdays training that would surprise me. laidler and Bootsma were not with the main group.
Menzel is more likely, as is casboult. I have a feeling that MM will go tall and play both Rowe and Casboult in the forward line, and Lachie might actually play CHB this week.
If their is a late change I'd expect Robbo followed by Laidler or Bootsma.
Based on yesterdays training that would surprise me. laidler and Bootsma were not with the main group.
Menzel is more likely, as is casboult. I have a feeling that MM will go tall and play both Rowe and Casboult in the forward line, and Lachie might actually play CHB this week.
I'd be surprised given Thomas comes back in, I expect one of the Norp talls to perhaps be borderline. Especially given the venue, pace kills at ES.
If we don't bring in a defender, Buckley could be in line for another crack.
Menzel... let to run loose, for the X factor. Bout time one of our small forwards no one has heard of kicked a bag. :P
If we are to make finals, we have to games like this and because of that I reckon we'll actually play Murphy.
If Murph plays it can't be a hammy surely. He was however reaching for his hammy you could see it clear as day and he couldn't chase. I reckon we can beat North without him anyway.
it's his glute.... (though i think there are 4 of them?)
You underestimate the mental fortitude of our players and their ability to push through pain.
I think any glute injury would have some connection with lower back/hammy issues. I don't reckon he'll play.
Not a pain thing GTC, a risk thing. You don't mess with lower back/hammy issues. IMO.
Not a pain thing GTC, a risk thing. You don't mess with lower back/hammy issues. IMO.
I was being sarcastic Re
Not a pain thing GTC, a risk thing. You don't mess with lower back/hammy issues. IMO.
I was being sarcastic Re
Sorry RE! I must have missed the sarcasm as it was embedded in my post. :P
Murphy surely isn't playing?
Murphy surely isn't playing?
Tony Jones just reported he is :-\
Murphy surely isn't playing?
Tony Jones just reported he is :-\
Capuano on Ch10 said he's in, Wait on Ch7 said he's in.
Murphy surely isn't playing?
Tony Jones just reported he is :-\
Capuano on Ch10 said he's in, Wait on Ch7 said he's in.
I hope we get a captain's game out of him !! Go Murph !!!
Cachia the sub.
Last time we took a gamble on a hamstring it backfired 5 minutes in.
Cachia the sub.
Wouldn't think would be a tactical sub, more back up for Murph. Hope not.
Surely another big Friday night game = another disappoitning loss.....why change the trend now?! :'(
Agree - norf by 36.