We fell over the line ............... just, phew !!
LOL bit of a relief TBH, don't know how we turned a possible ten goal victory into a one point win but just as if not a little more sweet. Fkn sucked in North!
I didn't and couldn't watch the last quarter, I can't handle the emotional ebbs and flows anymore.
Mick and co are killing me. Slowly.
I didn't and couldn't watch the last quarter, I can't handle the emotional ebbs and flows anymore.
My Blood Pressure is through the roof
I still reckon fitness of our blokes is a problem.
I thought Kreuzer responded well to his critics, play a damn fine game and most importantly (well, to me anyway), he took some important & strong marks around the ground.
Watson did show some good form, the same stuff we saw in his first few games for the club. Doesn't mean he is out of the spotlight but his inclusion in the team provides us with some flexibility to move Henderson around.
And speaking of Henderson, how good was he ?? Man oh man, we have so won out of that Fevola trade, the Lions must be cursing themselves over that one.
The three guys I have spoken about there are all 'big', it further emphasises the importance of having good ones at your club.
i cant do this anymore carlton.
yeeeeezus
woooo!!! so good to win!!! havent been this stoked after a win in ages.
Great effort by the boys. Glad to be wrong on this one. At least this time, time was on our side. Another couple of minutes and they would've had us.
Simmo, the 3 Amigos, Hendo all very good. Nice to see Yazz laying a tackle or two.
Gibbs, not this week mate.
Krooz, fantastic work ethic, but he gives me the willies too often.
Murph pretty good.
Judd quiet.
Lucas ok.
i cant do this anymore carlton.
yeeeeezus
woooo!!! so good to win!!! havent been this stoked after a win in ages.
I am drained
Great game from Kreuzer, really influenced the outcome, especially as Goldstein tired the big man started taking some contested grabs!
Really happy with some of the lesser types tonight, Curnow with 2 goals, Tuohy also turning into a goal kicking half back (very valuable type).
After a pi55 poor first 40 minutes Yarran got himself into the game with some heavy tackling and managed to end up with two vital goals.
Hendo great first half maybe beaten in the second half.
Jamo monstered by Petrie felt sorry for him at times.
Carrazzo still a little rusty but will be back to his best next week IMO. You can see him working very hard.
Murphy very dangerous up forward. First quarter tackle and goal clearly influenced the team. That's what I'm talking about re leadership a lot more of that and he might make a good captain. Has to back it up on a weekly basis from now on.
Lucas some brilliant football, that bit of play on half forward where he schooled the Roos defender with a one handed mark, played on and hit Garlett on the chest was pure magic. That type of stuff seems to come very naturally to him. A LOT of untapped talent there IMO.
I still reckon fitness of our blokes is a problem.
Mental thing. We control the game, then Jamo kicks the ball out of bounds and the entire team sinks, North dominates. It's just little slips like that which bring the entire team down. We need to be stronger than that and not allow little negatives to sink the entire team.
Still, I thought for one of the first times this year the system worked for the first part of that third quarter and that's something our players will take something out of.
I know he did some good things but Yarran looks like he's heart isn't in it.
Won by the hair of our chinny chin chin :D
Just fell over but the hardness and intent and by geez the tackling was the best all year.
Best win all year by a mile!
Henderson, Kruezer, Simmo - all brilliant tonight.
Lucas, McLean, Curnow - very good.
Jeez, we have such a big problem positioning our backs to counteract those fast breaks.
Surge in the third quarter attributable 100% to dominating the centre clearances. HOWEVER, I am now totally convinced that, when we get 3-4 goals up, our players look at the scoreboard and allow themselves a break - physical and mental. No doubt in my mind about that. No doubt at all.
Surge in the third quarter attributable 100% to dominating the centre clearances. HOWEVER, I am now totally convinced that, when we get 3-4 goals up, our players look at the scoreboard and allow themselves a break - physical and mental. No doubt in my mind about that. No doubt at all.
Mick could sense it as well you saw him go crazy when we were 33 points up and the ump paid in the back to North inside 50m. It was like he knew that was the turning point and they'd come back.
Surge in the third quarter attributable 100% to dominating the centre clearances. HOWEVER, I am now totally convinced that, when we get 3-4 goals up, our players look at the scoreboard and allow themselves a break - physical and mental. No doubt in my mind about that. No doubt at all.
I think they just panic when they get that far ahead and then the opposition scores. Kicks go slightly off, run to the wrong positions...
I have very mixed feelings about tonights game. I will convert 1 point win to 4 points on the board and that's it. Kreuzer you saved the night. Full stop for now.
Kruz hendo and simmo
hold your heads up high
Kruezer was great when the heat was on, and I like the pairing of him with Rowe...the latter ran out the game well and contested everything and while not big on the stat sheet did his part and I thought his ruck work was good and in tandem they broke Goldstein.
This is the pairing we need to go forward with and its a no brainer IMO that they are better footballers than Hampson, Casboult and Warnock. An example was Rowe getting the ball and kicking long from the wing to Henderson running into goal....none of the other mentioned would have made that kick work for Henderson.
Kruezer took some telling marks and the faith MM has shown in him is being repaid.
The other part of the structure equation is Watson and McInnes....its a no brainer as well that these two have to play down back and allow Henderson to go up forward.
I also think its time to move on from Jarrod Waite and not build a forward line around one player anymore, Henderson is more team focussed IMO and when he gets the ball good things usually happen...
Credit to Yarran....was lousy in the 1st half and half ar$ed but got busy after half time and took a brave mark to kick an important goal...
Garlett also worked hard and earned his goals unlike Thomas who cherry picked half of his...
Lucas....showed some guts tonight and while not having huge stats put the body on the line in some contests and thats progress...he could be agood player if he can keep that level of intensity up...
Touhy...got to love those goals he kicks and the agro he provides.....
Curnow....did the job on his man and got some footy....couple of goals but needs to watch his kicking.
Armfield.......love his contesting and pace but his field kicking isnt great and that goal he missed that he should have kicked shows he might be a fringe player when MM builds a stronger squad.
Gibbs....some woeful disposals but i didnt think Zeibell was anything special either....
Judd...off night but in the last 15 minutes won some good ball and lifted like the good player he is...
Kade Simpson.....BOG for me.....brave and has become that small running defender we have tried to recruit... showing leadership and his 2nd and 3rd effort in contests is
setting the bar high for his teammates to follow....
Enjoyable win and a turning point for the club IMO...MM coached well and got his matchups right.....Brad Scott will whinge because thats what he does best and I cant wait for his latest excuse...
Phew ::)
Tap, tap, tap.....writers block. that's all I can do tonight. Will watch the replay before adding comments.
Well you all know I've had my issues with Simpson, but whatever Mick has done or said to him has worked.. Playing him off the backline is a pure master stroke..
I gave him BOG last week (which may surprise a few) and I'll give it to him again this week.. Infact i'll go as far as saying that he was crucial in so many moments in the last half which saved us from getting scored against.. He was brilliant and saved our a55.. I have that much confidence in him now when he gets the ball, and I back him in to win the ball in every 50/50 contest he goes in.. There was one against Harvey which stood out and one in the last 1/4.. He is giving his all and busting his a55 and thats all we can ever ask..
Well done Simmo.. You are finally becoming a favourite, just dont fall back into old habbits.. ;)
I thought Hendo was brilliant... This guy is special..
Jamo... WTF???? Worst game Ive seen you play.. Yes we all know Petrie always pulls your pants down, but thats no excuse to cough the ball up when you finally get it, over and over and over again.. Worst game of yours EVER..
Jeffy = Special..
Yazz = sensational
Betts = Getting his form back to where it should be..
Kreuzer started off Horrid.. Fumbled, slipped and looked unco in the 1st half and then came out in the 2nd half a different man.. We want more of the 2nd half kreuzer.. He was great...
Thought Lucas was great in the 1st half..
2E is fantastic with ball in hand.. Anywhere within 50.. Put it in the book..
Wattos mark was great..
Rowe was invisible..
Walker looked to have had about 4 of Thomas's goals kicked on him.. Mick wasnt happy..
Army get your form back mate.. Please..
Curnow, very good game and slotted a couple of nice ones..
Scotto looks very slow these days, but in the 3rd 1/4 had it on a string..
Carrazzo did a few nice things but was quietish from what i saw..
Mclean did some nice things but was right to be subbed in the last as we needed pace..
Judd and Murph not really ever in it although Judd got bit more of it late, but missed the goal....
Gibbs nice job on Zieblel, but when are we going to see the likes of Ziebel have to tag Gibbs.. I wanted Gibbs sent forward and drag Ziebel with him..
We are forking very lucky to get away with that game..
Enjoyable win and a turning point for the club IMO...MM coached well and got his matchups right.....Brad Scott will whinge because thats what he does best and I cant wait for his latest excuse...
haha "Why did they close the roof? Footy's supposed to be a wet weather sport. I cannot believe they closed the roof!" ;D
Well Well Well. We won when we should've really slaughtered them. We were going to at one stage and I remember thinking that I haven't seen Carlton win like this since I can remember but we didn't, did we. Ahh well.
Great to see Mick so happy in the after match interview. He likes Curnow, someone he reckons just goes and goes. You can see why he got back into coaching, like a dedicated school teacher when you take the kids away from them,,,, lost.
Well Well Well. We won when we should've really slaughtered them. We were going to at one stage and I remember thinking that I haven't seen Carlton win like this since I can remember but we didn't, did we. Ahh well.
Great to see Mick so happy in the after match interview. He likes Curnow, someone he reckons just goes and goes. You can see why he got back into coaching, like a dedicated school teacher when you take the kids away from them,,,, lost.
An extremely cool $1M per season may have also helped him reignite his "passion."
Worst on Ground? Watson. >:D >:D >:D Should never get another game. Can anyone remember him using any intensity over the last couple of weeks? He can only gain possession when he is the immediate vicinity. He cannot GET the ball! Never helps out. Runs , no, make that TROTS beside the opposition. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Worst on Ground? Watson. >:D >:D >:D Should never get another game. Can anyone remember him using any intensity over the last couple of weeks? He can only gain possession when he is the immediate vicinity. He cannot GET the ball! Never helps out. Runs , no, make that TROTS beside the opposition. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Theres no way on earth he was worse than Jammo.. He was absolutely shocking... Sh1t himself with the ball at one stage and handballed it straight back to a north player.. He was aweful tonight..
Well you all know I've had my issues with Simpson, but whatever Mick has done or said to him has worked.. Playing him off the backline is a pure master stroke..
I gave him BOG last week (which may surprise a few) and I'll give it to him again this week.. Infact i'll go as far as saying that he was crucial in so many moments in the last half which saved us from getting scored against.. He was brilliant and saved our a55.. I have that much confidence in him now when he gets the ball, and I back him in to win the ball in every 50/50 contest he goes in.. There was one against Harvey which stood out and one in the last 1/4.. He is giving his all and busting his a55 and thats all we can ever ask..
Well done Simmo.. You are finally becoming a favourite, just dont fall back into old habbits.. ;)
I thought Hendo was brilliant... This guy is special..
Jamo... WTF???? Worst game Ive seen you play.. Yes we all know Petrie always pulls your pants down, but thats no excuse to cough the ball up when you finally get it, over and over and over again.. Worst game of yours EVER..
Jeffy = Special..
Yazz = sensational
Betts = Getting his form back to where it should be..
Kreuzer started off Horrid.. Fumbled, slipped and looked unco in the 1st half and then came out in the 2nd half a different man.. We want more of the 2nd half kreuzer.. He was great...
Thought Lucas was great in the 1st half..
2E is fantastic with ball in hand.. Anywhere within 50.. Put it in the book..
Wattos mark was great..
Rowe was invisible..
Walker looked to have had about 4 of Thomas's goals kicked on him.. Mick wasnt happy..
Army get your form back mate.. Please..
Curnow, very good game and slotted a couple of nice ones..
Scotto looks very slow these days, but in the 3rd 1/4 had it on a string..
Carrazzo did a few nice things but was quietish from what i saw..
Judd and Murph not really ever in it although Judd got bit more of it late, but missed the goal....
Gibbs nice job on Zieblel, but when are we going to see the likes of Ziebel have to tag Gibbs.. I wanted Gibbs sent forward and drag Ziebel with him..
We are forking very lucky to get away with that game..
Jamie..Agree on Scotland....coming to the end, doesnt have the zip to get away these days and is relying on his smarts, still handy but this should be his last season.
Jamo....couple of mistakes and I thought he got a good go of the umpires as well as he was hanging on most of the night, Petrie is a big unit though and the degree of difficulty is high matching him up.
Rowe...dont agree, rucked well in his secondary role and I thought hit the packs hard and didnt allow many marks to be taken by Nth defenders and this helped the amigos, commentators also acknowledged his work in this area.
Jammo certainly was bad. He has no pace this year and obviously hates playing N.M. He gets a bath every time. His fumbling tonight was especially bad, but at least he tries. Watson is an absolute NO-TRIER!
Elwood you mention Watson's mark. Well done, it was his only highlight and as I said, he was in the vicinity so he had a chance.
Worst on Ground? Watson. >:D >:D >:D Should never get another game. Can anyone remember him using any intensity over the last couple of weeks? He can only gain possession when he is the immediate vicinity. He cannot GET the ball! Never helps out. Runs , no, make that TROTS beside the opposition. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I thought he was OK. I don't think his man kicked too many goal and he has poise under pressure. His mark in the third quarter was top shelf.
That was a very very important win.
Bogey team who were really really fired up and playing at a ground we hate.
Also we had almost no input from the midfield.
Judd looked like he was wearing cement shoes.
Good win and don't worry about not holding a lead, this is the year for it. Well be better next time we at in a similar position.
Still think Cachia as sub was silly.
re: Watson...kid is learning the caper and that mark he took going back was gold when it mattered.......got a quick kick to Judd when off balance that was also a gem.
He has some skill IMO and would be in my team next week...he gives us a big frame down back and fills some space.
Carlisle was a dud for Essendon and Reid the same for Collingwood but matured....out of Mitchell, McCarthy etc he has shown more IMO and we are a more flexible team when he plays...
Watson was not flash, but he beat his man, his huge torp resulted in a goal - highlight for me, and he took that great contested mark - certainly a pass tonight - was definitely better than last week.
Maybe its a confidence thing, and if he gets a run at it will get confidence, then react with good judgement a bit more naturally. ATM he looks like he is thinking his way through things rather than reacting.
Jamie..Agree on Scotland....coming to the end, doesnt have the zip to get away these days and is relying on his smarts, still handy but this should be his last season.
Jamo....couple of mistakes and I thought he got a good go of the umpires as well as he was hanging on most of the night, Petrie is a big unit though and the degree of difficulty is high matching him up.
Rowe...dont agree, rucked well in his secondary role and I thought hit the packs hard and didnt allow many marks to be taken by Nth defenders and this helped the amigos, commentators also acknowledged his work in this area.
Yeah my anger at Jammo is not how Petrie played on him, (as Petrie is a monster and seems to set himself for us), it was Jammos use of the ball and some stupid errors.. He had a loose ball 15m out by himself and couldnt pick it up and ended up turning it over... That was just one clanger from many that made me lose my sh1t :o..
I will agree with Rowes rucking.. He did his job there, but was a total different forward to what he showed last week....
Good win. All Wins are good.
I was out, watched the scores on the phone.
The Blues forged ahead when it was important, while North kicked poorly
The last part it was the opposite, North kicked Six/One we kicked Two/Seven.
All through the game, North had the better stats- so much better that it is hard to believe Carlton won.
But they did !
Beauty !!
Worst on Ground? Watson. >:D >:D >:D Should never get another game. Can anyone remember him using any intensity over the last couple of weeks? He can only gain possession when he is the immediate vicinity. He cannot GET the ball! Never helps out. Runs , no, make that TROTS beside the opposition. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
NSIS Possibly worst post ever.
Awww fawwk yeah !!! So stoked !!
Swear Jar got a caning tonight.
I'll say this though Jamo is really starting to worry me. Is he becoming a liability?
As I pointed out Elwood he took that mark because he was in the vicinity. He is an absolute dud! He can have all the skills about the place but he has to GET the ball not wait for it to be handed to him. And his lack of pace and intensity is incredible.
Choo, name all his highlights for the game. If you can reach two you are doing well. Don't make a remark about a post without backing up your own comment.
It's nice to get the win against a bit of a bogey side, however, letting go of a 30+ point lead .....
Our forwards did well, Rowe was quieter than last week but I was still happy with his game, all the others contributed really well.
Our midfield was a bit ho hum, probably beaten overall on the night, although Kreuzer probably won his position.
Jammo had an off night, but I thought the rest of our defenders did quite well, I thought quite a few of their goals scored were due to poor midfield and stoppage work.
I'm of the opinion that we still lack good on field leadership. There is a big difference between leading by example and being the kind of person/leader that would inspire you to follow him into battle and die for him or his cause.
Juddy and Murph set a great example, but they are not the Braveheart/Hodge style leader that will lead their team into battle, and stand strong when things aren't going their way.
Just my thoughts.
Watson was not flash, but he beat his man, his huge torp resulted in a goal - highlight for me, and he took that great contested mark - certainly a pass tonight - was definitely better than last week.
Maybe its a confidence thing, and if he gets a run at it will get confidence, then react with good judgement a bit more naturally. ATM he looks like he is thinking his way through things rather than reacting.
Watson must have covered Black or Tarrant. Neither kicked a goal from memory so its a win for him tonight. He is a little lazy to hit a body at times when there is a ball up in our defensive 50m, but maybe as Elwood has stated before with a hard pre-season he could drop 3 to 5 kilos an be faster on his feet.
Big critic of Watson.
Thought he was good tonight. Kept his opponent goalless and did some real cool things.
Hendo's a revelation. I had him in the plodder's category, but he showed some impressive agility and mobility to go with his marking ability. When he came to us, he wasn't a good forward option but he most certainly is now.
Hopefully, the 2nd half effort by Kreuzer (leaving aside the lamentable shot for goal when we were only a point up) shows Kreuzer has turned the corner and will help us dominate the midfield from now on. He was brilliant against a pretty good tap ruckman.
Simmo was brilliant and tough off half-back.
But what's up with Juddy?
And why did we take off Dirty rather than Juddy if we wanted to bring Cachia on?
And thanks Blueboys for bringing home my 3.80 line and total points bet.
Worst on Ground? Watson. >:D >:D >:D Should never get another game. Can anyone remember him using any intensity over the last couple of weeks? He can only gain possession when he is the immediate vicinity. He cannot GET the ball! Never helps out. Runs , no, make that TROTS beside the opposition. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Harsh
As I pointed out Elwood he took that mark because he was in the vicinity. He is an absolute dud! He can have all the skills about the place but he has to GET the ball not wait for it to be handed to him. And his lack of pace and intensity is incredible.
Choo, name all his highlights for the game. If you can reach two you are doing well. Don't make a remark about a post without backing up your own comment.
I thought from what I saw tonight he seemed to read the play a bit better and got himself to the contest. I need to have a look at the replay though.
Watch for his trot Goat.
Juddy and Murph set a great example, but they are not the Braveheart/Hodge style leader that will lead their team into battle, and stand strong when things aren't going their way.
Just my thoughts.
Hendo is... Some of the sh1t he did in that last 1/4 gave me an eye orgasm... He has leadership and Braveheart written all over him..
How did Hendo spot his teammate when avoiding the tackle in the last quarter when he only had 0.003 of a second to do so?
Worst on Ground? Watson. >:D >:D >:D Should never get another game. Can anyone remember him using any intensity over the last couple of weeks? He can only gain possession when he is the immediate vicinity. He cannot GET the ball! Never helps out. Runs , no, make that TROTS beside the opposition. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Harsh
We know he has a great left peg but the ironic part about this guy is that to me, the thing we criticise him most for is is lack of intensity but it is abit of a weapon for him in a strange kind of way. He just doesnt panic, he doesnt have a pulse I reckon. I dunno I cant work him out. Something tells me MM should just keep persisting with him maybe, FIIK!
Worst on Ground? Watson. >:D >:D >:D Should never get another game. Can anyone remember him using any intensity over the last couple of weeks? He can only gain possession when he is the immediate vicinity. He cannot GET the ball! Never helps out. Runs , no, make that TROTS beside the opposition. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
absolute rot
Watch for his trot Goat.
Yes agree he needs to show more intensity, what I'm saying though that he seemed to be getting to the contest in time to influence the outcome a bit more tonight. Just an observation and agree he has a lot more to do before being in the best 22. If he makes it. Mick gave his last week game a big wrap so he must be doing what MM wants him to do.
As I pointed out Elwood he took that mark because he was in the vicinity. He is an absolute dud! He can have all the skills about the place but he has to GET the ball not wait for it to be handed to him. And his lack of pace and intensity is incredible.
Choo, name all his highlights for the game. If you can reach two you are doing well. Don't make a remark about a post without backing up your own comment.
I'm guessing you must mean Shane Watson.
Our Watson was solid, showing something, hasn't never let anyone down when he' s played seniors. If you're up in arms tonight then we can safely ignore anything you have to say about Watson.
Juddy and Murph set a great example, but they are not the Braveheart/Hodge style leader that will lead their team into battle, and stand strong when things aren't going their way.
Just my thoughts.
Hendo is... Some of the sh1t he did in that last 1/4 gave me an eye orgasm... He has leadership and Braveheart written all over him..
should have been a candidate for captain (said this 4 months ago)
I still reckon fitness of our blokes is a problem.
its the tackling - nothing sticks
the only one that sticks is cachia
As I pointed out Elwood he took that mark because he was in the vicinity. He is an absolute dud! He can have all the skills about the place but he has to GET the ball not wait for it to be handed to him. And his lack of pace and intensity is incredible.
Choo, name all his highlights for the game. If you can reach two you are doing well. Don't make a remark about a post without backing up your own comment.
Second game for the year and a young key position player. He shows real poise under pressure and rarely makes mistakes, but can lack intensity at times. his torpedo, handpasses in traffic and pinpoint passing, plus of course that outstanding mark under real pressure was fantastic.
Your post is a dud.
Juddy and Murph set a great example, but they are not the Braveheart/Hodge style leader that will lead their team into battle, and stand strong when things aren't going their way.
Just my thoughts.
Hendo is... Some of the sh1t he did in that last 1/4 gave me an eye orgasm... He has leadership and Braveheart written all over him..
Can't say I saw anything myself, but if he's got that kind of leadership in him, give him the captaincy. ;)
As I pointed out Elwood he took that mark because he was in the vicinity. He is an absolute dud! He can have all the skills about the place but he has to GET the ball not wait for it to be handed to him. And his lack of pace and intensity is incredible.
Choo, name all his highlights for the game. If you can reach two you are doing well. Don't make a remark about a post without backing up your own comment.
Watson Highlights: Mark in the 3rd Quarter. Watson's kick to Judd in the 3rd Quarter. Watson's kick in from full back. Watson's oponents' 0 goals.
have to say your comment above is incredible
Was great to be on the right end of a close match.
Not a great contribution from Judd, Murphy, Gibbs and Carazzo tonight, so to get up was encouraging. So many questions tonight. When is this midfield group going to click? Are we better with Robinson and Bell around the ball? Is Brock really giving us something? What is the best use of Scotland?
Walker's contribution off half back seems to be waning and I'd seriously consider moving him to a HFF or wing role for the next couple of games and push Yarran back, to freshen things up.
I'd also consider bringing Casboult into the side, as whilst Rowe is bringing the ball to ground we really lack Casboult's attack in a marking contest.
Are people influenced too much by statistics?
Watson's man was Robbie Tarrant for anyone in doubt, I mentioned in my discussions prior to the game that it was always likely to be him, but that I thought North should have played Daw instead, I also think if they did... they would have won this game.
Watson was so far behind Tarrant on the lead tonight that it was embarrassing. I was sitting with a North mate and pointed out the contest before the game, but both agreed that it was unlikely Tarrant would be able to exploit it, because if he gets a free hit at a contested pack mark he is going to reach in to mark, or turn away, because he severely lacks the fortitude required to put a body into the contest, he also is only an average mark anyway and when he kicks a few goals it is often with great kicks, which he is.
I think Tarrant created plenty of chances to influence the game and very little that Watson done had any influence on Tarrant not taking those chances.
Now I have said negative things about Watson before, so perhaps this comes across as biased.... But I absolutely think he had a poor game, it would be akin to saying in the first half McInnes beat Black... nope Black's horrific kicking beat himself. I do think McInnes was better in the 2nd half and the same goes for Watson.
Jamo did make some really stupid mistakes and that bothered me and I also think that Tuohy on Thomas was a bit of a silly mistake, though in fairness Walker did no better. It might have been better to bring back in an Armfield type to play that role...
To Tuohy's credit though, he did look good on multiple occasions with the ball in his hand, I wonder if he just might end up playing a tough midfield role at some stage.
Yarran was playing on a young kid still in Taylor Hine and didn't dominate him, but he certainly had a real impact on contests, there was an embarrassing moment I hope MM doesn't let slip though where he should have beaten Grima at ground level and was basically just swatted away. He did however go at the ball a lot harder and chased and tackled.
Garlett looked a threat all night without actually ripping it open, but it was a good game off footy by him also I though.
Betts... could have easily had 3-4 goals, but in the end was the equal least influential Carlton forward (with Sam Rowe).
Hendo.... Monster game again and seriously outpointed his opponent (Pretty sure that was Grima for a large part, but might have been Thommo), basically any time the ball was kicked to a 3-1 (which btw was bloody often) Hendo halved or won the contest, looks like he just might develop into a very very good footballer does Hendo.
Kreuzer - Comfortably beaten in the ruck for the majority, but Carlton come hard in that regards in the 2nd half and Kreuzer had exponentially more influence than Goldstein, despite any tap differential.
Curnow - Played well for a lot of the game and kicked a couple of important goals at a time we really needed them, only criticism is that his vision was terrible in the last (pretty sure it was Curnow) when he ran towards 50 and we had Garlett running in from the right and kick over to him was a goal, instead he crossed it to the other side of the park and we didn't score. North took the ball up with their next possession and began their run of goals. I think that would have sealed the game and put us maybe around 40 points up
Was great to be on the right end of a close match.
Not a great contribution from Judd, Murphy, Gibbs and Carazzo tonight, so to get up was encouraging. So many questions tonight. When is this midfield group going to click? Are we better with Robinson and Bell around the ball? Is Brock really giving us something? What is the best use of Scotland?
Walker's contribution off half back seems to be waning and I'd seriously consider moving him to a HFF or wing role for the next couple of games and push Yarran back, to freshen things up.
I'd also consider bringing Casboult into the side, as whilst Rowe is bringing the ball to ground we really lack Casboult's attack in a marking contest.
Yes, would've mind beefing the midfield up with Walker and Touhy.
Looking at that game tonight surely Graham has to come in.
Some of our mids looked bloody awful and needing a rest.
Kruezer was great when the heat was on, and I like the pairing of him with Rowe...the latter ran out the game well and contested everything and while not big on the stat sheet did his part and I thought his ruck work was good and in tandem they broke Goldstein.
This is the pairing we need to go forward with and its a no brainer IMO that they are better footballers than Hampson, Casboult and Warnock. An example was Rowe getting the ball and kicking long from the wing to Henderson running into goal....none of the other mentioned would have made that kick work for Henderson.
You didn't mention Rowe missing a 20m in-the-clear Armfield in the last with one of the worst kicks of the night. Nup....Rowe's not for me after tonight, thought he was poor. A couple of nice-ish things in the first half, diddly squat in the 2nd half & his ruckwork is merely pedestrian. I'd still give him more game time just to be sure....but tonight, Rowe was poo.
Kruezer was great when the heat was on, and I like the pairing of him with Rowe...the latter ran out the game well and contested everything and while not big on the stat sheet did his part and I thought his ruck work was good and in tandem they broke Goldstein.
This is the pairing we need to go forward with and its a no brainer IMO that they are better footballers than Hampson, Casboult and Warnock. An example was Rowe getting the ball and kicking long from the wing to Henderson running into goal....none of the other mentioned would have made that kick work for Henderson.
You didn't mention Rowe missing a 20m in-the-clear Armfield in the last with one of the worst kicks of the night. Nup....Rowe's not for me after tonight, thought he was poor. A couple of nice-ish things in the first half, diddly squat in the 2nd half & his ruckwork is merely pedestrian. I'd still give him more game time just to be sure....but tonight, Rowe was poo.
I guess we see it different....thought he was a contributor
Thought Rowe was ok as well.
Tough nite to be a forward for us.
Jammo certainly was bad. He has no pace this year and obviously hates playing N.M. He gets a bath every time. His fumbling tonight was especially bad, but at least he tries. Watson is an absolute NO-TRIER!
Elwood you mention Watson's mark. Well done, it was his only highlight and as I said, he was in the vicinity so he had a chance.
Purlease - for mine, Watson was our best defender tonight.....how'd his opponent go? Best game Watson has played by a mile, really encouraged with his performance tonight.
Jamo was disgusting.....that's 3 consecutive weeks of us possibly witnessing the demise of Jamo. Has not got a clue out there at the moment, embarrassing he is, total liability. Can't kick, constant brain explosions, can't get near his man - even in situations whereby his opponent is the obvious choice for having the ball delivered, Jamo manages to misread the play/flight of the ball/be too slow off the mark.......I'm over him. He got lucky with Riewoldt's kicking for goal last week, but he is in career-worst form. I hope like hell we're talking to some other full-backs out there come trade time.....Jamo's cooked.
Jammo certainly was bad. He has no pace this year and obviously hates playing N.M. He gets a bath every time. His fumbling tonight was especially bad, but at least he tries. Watson is an absolute NO-TRIER!
Elwood you mention Watson's mark. Well done, it was his only highlight and as I said, he was in the vicinity so he had a chance.
Purlease - for mine, Watson was our best defender tonight.....how'd his opponent go? Best game Watson has played by a mile, really encouraged with his performance tonight.
Jamo was disgusting.....that's 3 consecutive weeks of us possibly witnessing the demise of Jamo. Has not got a clue out there at the moment, embarrassing he is, total liability. Can't kick, constant brain explosions, can't get near his man - even in situations whereby his opponent is the obvious choice for having the ball delivered, Jamo manages to misread the play/flight of the ball/be too slow off the mark.......I'm over him. He got lucky with Riewoldt's kicking for goal last week, but he is in career-worst form. I hope like hell we're talking to some other full-backs out there come trade time.....Jamo's cooked.
Not cooked, far from it. Certainly out of form though.
I still reckon fitness of our blokes is a problem.
its the tackling - nothing sticks
the only one that sticks is cachia
Wow our tackling was as good as I have seen it tonight.
Sh1t should've clicked on the link.. Haven't seen the game, too busy feeding the family for our last night in Bal (and drinking frozen margaritas by the illegal boat load )..
Woo hoo we won.. Need to wait til Sunday for the replay...
Just one more thing. Jeffy was good again, his running power now is a sight to behold.
But if he didn't run over the footy he'd be a dead set champ.
Love this kid when he gets involved .
Still reckon Eddie was better as a sub than playing a full game this week.
Kruezer was great when the heat was on, and I like the pairing of him with Rowe...the latter ran out the game well and contested everything and while not big on the stat sheet did his part and I thought his ruck work was good and in tandem they broke Goldstein.
This is the pairing we need to go forward with and its a no brainer IMO that they are better footballers than Hampson, Casboult and Warnock. An example was Rowe getting the ball and kicking long from the wing to Henderson running into goal....none of the other mentioned would have made that kick work for Henderson.
You didn't mention Rowe missing a 20m in-the-clear Armfield in the last with one of the worst kicks of the night. Nup....Rowe's not for me after tonight, thought he was poor. A couple of nice-ish things in the first half, diddly squat in the 2nd half & his ruckwork is merely pedestrian. I'd still give him more game time just to be sure....but tonight, Rowe was poo.
I guess we see it different....thought he was a contributor
And fair enough.....happy to see him get more game time & he is a competitive beast, but when he plays ruck he needs to impose himself more around the ground.....didn't see a lot of that tonight.
Btw - is Bryce Gibbs taking the p!ss or what? I hope the Club can overrule MM's opinion of him being untouchable, 'cos he's VERY touchable imo. Impact tonight = ZERO. Poor Bryce, very, very, poor.....again.
Thought Carrazzo got back to something like the form we want to see of him, ditto Murphy. Judd's first half was beyond poor & starting the 2nd half on the bench was testament to that....goddamn it was ordinary. Imagine the scoreline if Judd & Gibbs had bothered turning up to play from the get-go? Eddie was just so-so, chimed in with the occasional good moment, but mostly he was pretty ineffective tonight, whilst his brothers-in-arms in Jeffy, played a ripping game & after quarter time, Yarran probably played his most rounded game for the Club....he became a tackling machine & that mark he took running with the flight in the 3rd.....I remember saying at the time "You gotta go Yazz, you gotta go...." and go he did....mark & goal = brilliant. Pity about the crape shot for goal in the last.
Apart from a couple of classy goals in the first, Lindsay Thomas is a cheap-goal merchant, although having your opponent (Tuohy for a lot of the night) kicking 2 goals on you isn't something I'd be overly proud of as a forward.
Ed Curnow played probably his best game for 2 years, with a PB of 2 goals, Armfield was all over the shop (his kicking for goal deadset crap), as was McInnes, Brock was too quiet for mine & Walker was serviceable.
Once again, MM appears confused as to how to use the sub - Cachia was a ridiculous choice, although 5 tackles in just a quarter of footy is pretty damn impressive.
Kreuzer's game was magnificent & he got better as the game wore on, although that shot for goal in the last.....deary, deary, me. Simmo was magnificent as his season is starting to thump into first gear, although he's still prone to some crucial errors by foot. Now we come to the bloke who suddenly finds himself as the most important player in the team, but is carrying that tag with aplomb.....Lachie. Played a ripping game last week, had all the focus on him in the press all this week & how does he respond? With an extremely workmanlike BOG......GUN, GUN, GUN, GUN, GUN.....yep, he's a bonafide gun is our Lachie.
I hate Norf with a passion, their supporters are surprisingly feral (and have been from my personal experience at the footy for quite some time), I saw bottles & footy records aplenty being thrown on the ground from the Norf member's wing in the last over what they believed to be bad umpiring decisions (suck it up princesses after the armchair ride you got in last year's corresponding game)....feral pigs the lot of them. A one point victory.....been a long time since we've experienced one of those and despite the blood pressure, I loved it.
Maybe next year Norf.....maybe next year......
People need to watch the replay.
Gibbs' game was too instruction.
Just one more thing. Jeffy was good again, his running power now is a sight to behold.
But if he didn't run over the footy he'd be a dead set champ.
Love this kid when he gets involved .
Still reckon Eddie was better as a sub than playing a full game this week.
Fair point...I think your sub has to be game changing player and Eddie is that type of player, Cachia did well when he came on and tackled like a demon
but should have started the game IMO..
Scott Thompson matchup was interesting and I know Nth have used Thompson in the past on Eddie but I didnt think it worked for them tonight, the Nth man was their best player last week and had plenty of the ball
but Eddie seemed to drag him out of the play tonight.
Jammo certainly was bad. He has no pace this year and obviously hates playing N.M. He gets a bath every time. His fumbling tonight was especially bad, but at least he tries. Watson is an absolute NO-TRIER!
Elwood you mention Watson's mark. Well done, it was his only highlight and as I said, he was in the vicinity so he had a chance.
Purlease - for mine, Watson was our best defender tonight.....how'd his opponent go? Best game Watson has played by a mile, really encouraged with his performance tonight.
Jamo was disgusting.....that's 3 consecutive weeks of us possibly witnessing the demise of Jamo. Has not got a clue out there at the moment, embarrassing he is, total liability. Can't kick, constant brain explosions, can't get near his man - even in situations whereby his opponent is the obvious choice for having the ball delivered, Jamo manages to misread the play/flight of the ball/be too slow off the mark.......I'm over him. He got lucky with Riewoldt's kicking for goal last week, but he is in career-worst form. I hope like hell we're talking to some other full-backs out there come trade time.....Jamo's cooked.
Not cooked, far from it. Certainly out of form though.
Stick a fork in him......he's done. Not just beaten, has been obliterated for 3 consecutive weeks by 3 of the premier forwards in the game. If Jamo can't play FB (which all the signs are that he no longer can), where does he play? If he manages to reverse this 'form slump' as you VERY kindly put it, the guy is a champion - however I'm fairly confident that ain't gonna happen as every single aspect of his game stinks right now.....EVERY aspect bar none.
Also....loved Lucas' cameos tonight - were as important as anything anyone else did on the ground. He's starting to restore the faith is Kane....good on him too.
Jamo has probably struggled since his mate went up forward. Hendo too valuable to go back now and Mick needs to find a suitable replacement. I'm not sure these guys who need to worry about their games rather than helping out the backline are the answer.
People need to watch the replay.
Gibbs' game was too instruction.
Manned up Ziebell ok but I thought his field kicking was terrible, missed easy targets and it detracted from his game, a good stat was his tackle count of 7.
Jamo has probably struggled since his mate went up forward. Hendo too valuable to go back now and Mick needs to find a suitable replacement. I'm not sure these guys who need to worry about their games rather than helping out the backline are the answer.
And very few full backs work well in isolation or when their other defenders change.
And he was on a Petrie who is a MASSIVE unit.
Again. Look at the delivery and way the ball goes into Norths forward line and compare it too us.
No comparison.
People need to watch the replay.
Gibbs' game was too instruction.
Manned up Ziebell ok but I thought his field kicking was terrible, missed easy targets and it detracted from his game, a good stat was his tackle count of 7.
Agree, although I thought Ziebell had a greater effect on the game than Bryce. Man, Bryce's kicking was about as bad as I've ever seen it tonight.....he's supposed to an elite kick, not good enough.
Jammo certainly was bad. He has no pace this year and obviously hates playing N.M. He gets a bath every time. His fumbling tonight was especially bad, but at least he tries. Watson is an absolute NO-TRIER!
Elwood you mention Watson's mark. Well done, it was his only highlight and as I said, he was in the vicinity so he had a chance.
Purlease - for mine, Watson was our best defender tonight.....how'd his opponent go? Best game Watson has played by a mile, really encouraged with his performance tonight.
Jamo was disgusting.....that's 3 consecutive weeks of us possibly witnessing the demise of Jamo. Has not got a clue out there at the moment, embarrassing he is, total liability. Can't kick, constant brain explosions, can't get near his man - even in situations whereby his opponent is the obvious choice for having the ball delivered, Jamo manages to misread the play/flight of the ball/be too slow off the mark.......I'm over him. He got lucky with Riewoldt's kicking for goal last week, but he is in career-worst form. I hope like hell we're talking to some other full-backs out there come trade time.....Jamo's cooked.
Not cooked, far from it. Certainly out of form though.
Stick a fork in him......he's done. Not just beaten, has been obliterated for 3 consecutive weeks by 3 of the premier forwards in the game. If Jamo can't play FB (which all the signs are that he no longer can), where does he play? If he manages to reverse this 'form slump' as you VERY kindly put it, the guy is a champion - however I'm fairly confident that ain't gonna happen as every single aspect of his game stinks right now.....EVERY aspect bar none.
Also....loved Lucas' cameos tonight - were as important as anything anyone else did on the ground. He's starting to restore the faith is Kane....good on him too.
It happens, blokes lose form. If you gave up on every one that had a bad patch no-one would be playing. It happens in every sport. We are way too fast to give up on players. How many times have we seen players have shocking patches only to come good. Hundreds!!!
People need to watch the replay.
Gibbs' game was too instruction.
Manned up Ziebell ok but I thought his field kicking was terrible, missed easy targets and it detracted from his game, a good stat was his tackle count of 7.
It's what we expect to get from Gibbs though. IMO, to be a champion he needs to lift his running to another level. That Jamo incident where he handballed to a North player, Gibbs could have worked harder for him and his resultant chase wasn't one of someone digging deep and past the pain. That's no knock, It's what separates champs from good ordinary players, it's up to Gibbs what he wants to be.
Jamo did well for a guy being up against a bloody man mountain. Hard to defend against Neanderthals like that particularly when the kicks were perfect for the forward to mark....have another look at the game...
Jamo did well for a guy being up against a bloody man mountain. Hard to defend against Neanderthals like that particularly when the kicks were perfect for the forward to mark....have another look at the game...
Yep .
Jammo certainly was bad. He has no pace this year and obviously hates playing N.M. He gets a bath every time. His fumbling tonight was especially bad, but at least he tries. Watson is an absolute NO-TRIER!
Elwood you mention Watson's mark. Well done, it was his only highlight and as I said, he was in the vicinity so he had a chance.
Purlease - for mine, Watson was our best defender tonight.....how'd his opponent go? Best game Watson has played by a mile, really encouraged with his performance tonight.
Jamo was disgusting.....that's 3 consecutive weeks of us possibly witnessing the demise of Jamo. Has not got a clue out there at the moment, embarrassing he is, total liability. Can't kick, constant brain explosions, can't get near his man - even in situations whereby his opponent is the obvious choice for having the ball delivered, Jamo manages to misread the play/flight of the ball/be too slow off the mark.......I'm over him. He got lucky with Riewoldt's kicking for goal last week, but he is in career-worst form. I hope like hell we're talking to some other full-backs out there come trade time.....Jamo's cooked.
Not cooked, far from it. Certainly out of form though.
Stick a fork in him......he's done. Not just beaten, has been obliterated for 3 consecutive weeks by 3 of the premier forwards in the game. If Jamo can't play FB (which all the signs are that he no longer can), where does he play? If he manages to reverse this 'form slump' as you VERY kindly put it, the guy is a champion - however I'm fairly confident that ain't gonna happen as every single aspect of his game stinks right now.....EVERY aspect bar none.
Also....loved Lucas' cameos tonight - were as important as anything anyone else did on the ground. He's starting to restore the faith is Kane....good on him too.
I really, really hope your wrong Brettie, coz finding a replacement is gonna be hard !!
Personally, I think he can probably turn it around, we'll just have to wait and see !!
In context of the season - best win of the season.
The Kangabies threw absolutely everything at us... and in previous seasons, regardless of form, they've won 'their' Friday night against top sides. They steel themsevles for this Friday night game.
Considering the blokes we had 'down'... it was a seriously good win (gotta address the fade). ;D
Yarran was playing on a young kid still in Taylor Hine and didn't dominate him, but he certainly had a real impact on contests, there was an embarrassing moment I hope MM doesn't let slip though where he should have beaten Grima at ground level and was basically just swatted away. He did however go at the ball a lot harder and chased and tackled.
That was the turning point for him, that effort was pathetic as he needed to put his head over it but just stuck a toe out instead. Awful stuff. He really fought back well after that. I wonder if the message came out from the coach?
good game, felt the chest tighten up a few times and had 000 typed in my phone with my finger on the send button a few times.
jamo got beaten, too easy for my liking aswell. but it happens, petrie is a good player but out of form. expected better from jamo.
2e had a shocking first half, came back, credit to the irishman.
judd was quiet, but so was the midfield int he first half.
scotland, would condsider him surplus now with walker and simpson down back, just as good with the ball those 2 plus much better defenders.
now for the good
lucas, improving alot this year. butchers the ball but i think hes showed hes worth persisting with.
watson, been on the bagwagaon since day 1 and he frustrates me. but played well enough today and happy with his performance. if the coaching staff could work out a way to get his intensity up and fire him up, he will be in the best 18 everyday.
hendo, finally found that key forward. i think his time down back has helped him develop his work up forward aswell.
special k, very special indeed
i think rowe provides that contest and good 2nd ruck we need. imagine with waite back in up foward aswell, suddenly we have the attack to threaten the big teams with 3 big options and classy small forwards
good game, felt the chest tighten up a few times and had 000 typed in my phone with my finger on the send button a few times.
jamo got beaten, too easy for my liking aswell. but it happens, petrie is a good player but out of form. expected better from jamo.
2e had a shocking first half, came back, credit to the irishman.
judd was quiet, but so was the midfield int he first half.
scotland, would condsider him surplus now with walker and simpson down back, just as good with the ball those 2 plus much better defenders.
now for the good
lucas, improving alot this year. butchers the ball but i think hes showed hes worth persisting with.
watson, been on the bagwagaon since day 1 and he frustrates me. but played well enough today and happy with his performance. if the coaching staff could work out a way to get his intensity up and fire him up, he will be in the best 18 everyday.
hendo, finally found that key forward. i think his time down back has helped him develop his work up forward aswell.
special k, very special indeed
i think rowe provides that contest and good 2nd ruck we need. imagine with waite back in up foward aswell, suddenly we have the attack to threaten the big teams with 3 big options and classy small forwards
Agree re Hendo..would like to see the MC leaving him up forward and sending Waite back for a few games. the straighter line running might also help him avoid injury.
Are people influenced too much by statistics?
Watson's man was Robbie Tarrant for anyone in doubt, I mentioned in my discussions prior to the game that it was always likely to be him, but that I thought North should have played Daw instead, I also think if they did... they would have won this game.
Watson was so far behind Tarrant on the lead tonight that it was embarrassing. I was sitting with a North mate and pointed out the contest before the game, but both agreed that it was unlikely Tarrant would be able to exploit it, because if he gets a free hit at a contested pack mark he is going to reach in to mark, or turn away, because he severely lacks the fortitude required to put a body into the contest, he also is only an average mark anyway and when he kicks a few goals it is often with great kicks, which he is.
I think Tarrant created plenty of chances to influence the game and very little that Watson done had any influence on Tarrant not taking those chances.
Now I have said negative things about Watson before, so perhaps this comes across as biased.... But I absolutely think he had a poor game, it would be akin to saying in the first half McInnes beat Black... nope Black's horrific kicking beat himself. I do think McInnes was better in the 2nd half and the same goes for Watson.
That's what I mean about Watson. Tarrant beat himself, Watson didn't do it. A forward not scoring does not necessarily mean that his opponent has played well. Perhaps some of Jammo's problems last night may have been because he was aware that he could not depend on Watson for support. However, saying that I reckon that Jammo has a mental problem playing North, which, added to his loss of closing pace (carrying an injury??) resulted in a really bad game for him.
In context of the season - best win of the season.
The Kangabies threw absolutely everything at us... and in previous seasons, regardless of form, they've won 'their' Friday night against top sides. They steel themsevles for this Friday night game.
Considering the blokes we had 'down'... it was a seriously good win (gotta address the fade). ;D
I tend to agree that it was a quality win.
North Melbourne's finishing had been seriously questioned in the lead up to the match.
They were presented with the opportunity to blow that out of the water and they took that opportunity for redemption.
While we limped over the line it was against a side who came at us in the finish determined to "bury their demons".
Our players probably expected that and they were clearly delighted at the end of the game that they managed to hang on.
North are a pretty good side and their ladder position is more the result of some mental lapses than their ability.
When they're on their game they're tough to beat and we came away with the four points. (with a lack of input from some of our best)
Perhaps some of Jammo's problems last night may have been because he was aware that he could not depend on Watson for support.
Very close to the truth. Watson is 'heart in your mouth' stuff from the stands, every time he goes near a contest, imagine what it is like as you go into battle with him. Still far from convinced regarding Watson.
How bad was the midfield ?
That would be close the the worst effort I've seen for a couple of years.
Well done Kreuz.
Also, that game was a much much harder contest than Tge Saints match.
Not sure about the GC.
So if we finish 8th, who do we want to play?
Sydney up there or the Dockers over there in that first final?
So if we finish 8th, who do we want to play?
Sydney up there or the Dockers over there in that first final?
You just killed my buzz man.
So if we finish 8th, who do we want to play?
Sydney up there or the Dockers over there in that first final?
Hopefully the bombers.
So if we finish 8th, who do we want to play?
Sydney up there or the Dockers over there in that first final?
Hopefully the bombers.
No, they'll get stripped of their points and we'll play Richmond or Collingwood.
Are people influenced too much by statistics?
Watson's man was Robbie Tarrant for anyone in doubt, I mentioned in my discussions prior to the game that it was always likely to be him, but that I thought North should have played Daw instead, I also think if they did... they would have won this game.
Watson was so far behind Tarrant on the lead tonight that it was embarrassing. I was sitting with a North mate and pointed out the contest before the game, but both agreed that it was unlikely Tarrant would be able to exploit it, because if he gets a free hit at a contested pack mark he is going to reach in to mark, or turn away, because he severely lacks the fortitude required to put a body into the contest, he also is only an average mark anyway and when he kicks a few goals it is often with great kicks, which he is.
I think Tarrant created plenty of chances to influence the game and very little that Watson done had any influence on Tarrant not taking those chances.
Now I have said negative things about Watson before, so perhaps this comes across as biased.... But I absolutely think he had a poor game, it would be akin to saying in the first half McInnes beat Black... nope Black's horrific kicking beat himself. I do think McInnes was better in the 2nd half and the same goes for Watson.
That's what I mean about Watson. Tarrant beat himself, Watson didn't do it. A forward not scoring does not necessarily mean that his opponent has played well. Perhaps some of Jammo's problems last night may have been because he was aware that he could not depend on Watson for support. However, saying that I reckon that Jammo has a mental problem playing North, which, added to his loss of closing pace (carrying an injury??) resulted in a really bad game for him.
I wasn't at the game last night, but i was there last week. I made some comments about how Watson was used last week and although its tough to guage on TV it appears he was used in a similar role.
Essentially he is used as the spare man who fills the hole.
Last week he played in front of Riewoldt, this week Petrie.
So he may have let his opponent, Tarrant, run free out of the forward line and trailed behind him....but that was probably the plan. Ensure he doesn't get the ball inside 50. If he is outside 50, help out Jamo.
Smart play by Mick as it's worked 2 weeks in a role, using a guy that most people thought was destined for the scrap heap.
The fact Watson took THAT mark later on shows what he is capable of. Big boy who can take a grab under pressure and doesn't panic.
At the time of that mark i couldn't help but call out "Leo Barry you star!" as it reminded me of that moment.
Credit to Watson for his game last night. Played the team role and took more baby steps towards becoming an AFL player.
That torp and goal was just the icing on the cake. :D
Let's start with North -
Linday Thomas, biggest diver in the league, doesn't chase and it's so dissapointing that he had those run into goal in the last, I almost would have perferred McInness to stay with him just so Thomas didn't get a goal.
Jack Ziebell, a very close second to Thomas. Every time he gets the ball and feels a tackle he pushes himself foward dragging the smaller midfielder into his back. Loved how Tuhoy got into him about the kick in the leg. He should have given away the free when he dove into Lucas' legs in the last, but the umpires have forgotten that rule it appears.
Drew Petrie - This guy is huge, he is ruckman size, strong and mobile. I watched and the shoulder difference between him and Jammo would have been 6-8 cms. So the reach would have been 10+ cms very hard to deal with without the actual weight difference.
Coach Scott - Have you seen a bigger sook ever in the coaches seat, it seemed that every decision was wrong, no wonder the players look for so many frees when the coaches rides each decision. Get rid of him, he's no good, actually keep him and North (which has some good talent there) will do nothing.
This game was tailor made for our small forwards and IMO they were serviable, just.
Eddie has gone to poo. I don't know if it's because he was a Ratten made man and now Mick doesn't put him on a pedestal but he plays with no confidence and none of the wizardry around goal that you've come to expect.
Garlett - A Nice game but he doesn't get the ground ball enough, too many times he overruns it and when you're that small getting down and picking up the ball should be a strength.
Yarran - First quarter was crap, then he started to chase with intent and tackle with strength and that seemed to change his game. Lovely strong mark at the end of the half running with the flight, hopefully he has turned the corner and we'll see the real Yazz for the rest of the season.
Henderson - Stud, Star, Gun....... FORWARD! I said last week to be carefull of putting too much praise on the big forwards as they were only playing against St Kilda second string backs and while Hendo still looked like a star, Rowe was found out against the better defence bigs on North. I'm sure if Casboult would have played instead of Rowe last week he would have kicked a few as well.
Kreuzer - Much better game against an AA candidate in the ruck, did well around the ground, held some tackles the one against Wells was crucial. I love when he gets down and "transforms" in tractor mode, people just bounce off. Very good game
Simpson - Took you half the season, but you're back.
Watson - a better game. Tarrant didn't score and very similar to last season he seems to be better the more game time he gets. Is he going to be a world beater at FB? Probably not but if he continues to improve then we could have something, his spoiling and marking were better and the torp was beautiful and the mark was gutsy, more than happy with his game.
Jammo - standing Petrie is a huge job and he was OK in that regard, but his field kicking has gone to crap.
Curnow - Great game, Harvey had little influence and when you had the ball the useage was very good. Second best on ground behind Jammo.
Lucas - Again you have suprised me, North has one thing, strong hard bodied mids, and I didn't see you shirk the issue once, in fact I thought a few times you were very tough at it. Worth keeping, you just need to take the next step and beome a 20 poss per game player.
Any chance our boys can grow a brain in the last? Perfect example, unless you can 100% effect the contest then prevent the attacking option.
1. McInness and Wells on the wing, first McInness goes to ground but coralls Wells hard on the boundary line, Good work? NO! He buys a dummy which allows Wells to bring it into the middle and a gal comes from it, where if AMac would have just let him kick down the line the worst that could have happened was an attack from one half of the ground but most likely a throw in.
2. Petrie on the lead to the wing and Jammo goes for the late spoil, overruns the contest and Petrie get clear space to run on, I think North stuffed up their attack on this one, but just dumb footy.
Any win against this mob is good, in fact great.
That last over commitment you mention Raydan is the reason why we coughed up many easy goals. Too ball focussed and not playimg the percentages. Win the contest or lose the contest. It seems that our players dont realise that stalemate is an option nor do they understand the benefit of a tactical retreat. Petrie taking marks 60+ out from goal is a mini win.
Our forward line looks some much more potent with Henderson forward. Him being there really brings the smalls into play.
We really need to persist with this set up.
We need to keep Watson down back. Yes he is a bit slow and still learning, but if he can permantly hold down a spot down back, then we could keep hendo as a permanent forward.
We probably should have lost last night but you know what, we beat NORF who, besides StKilda was our bigest bogey side in the last 10 years. The fact we did in at Etihad which has been a problem for us, cannot be undersetimatied.
Need to go to Gold Coast now and not rest on our laurels.
So if we finish 8th, who do we want to play?
Sydney up there or the Dockers over there in that first final?
Dont get ahead of yourself sunshine :) We will be in the 8 24 hrs at best.
Heart still recovering from that game last night!!
Thought our purple patch in the 3rd qrt was due to our midfield smashing theirs ......
Kreuzer was immense around the ground, aided by a very weary Goldstein. His tapwork really worries me. I swear 75% of his taps were straight down the throat of the opposition!!
Gibbs...good game peoplle say??? Really ??? 11 disposals from a guy with "supposedly" a lot of talent..................no where near good enough for me. His disposal on 3 occassions last night were direct turnovers under no pressure.
Thought Cachia was a weird choice as sub too, but my God what an impact!! Did I hear right in that he had 10 possessions and 5 tackles in 1 qrt of footy??? Fantastic effort.
In Hendo, we have our key fwd. It's the key defender we need to find. What a great game. Love his leadership in the F50 too. Always talking, always praising good work.
The 3 amigos worked well in patches. slowly getting their mojo back.
Was very pleased with Watsons 2 efforts last night....the torp and that mark. Infact i think that mark will go a long way in building confidence in this kid. I'm far from sold on him and apart from those 2 passages, he was fairly pedestrian.
Simmo is learning to carry the extra weight........of his beard!! Great game.
Murph looked freer minus the headwear but there was that contest with Zieble in the 1st or 2nd qrt that had me fearing the worst. Got through it and played well.
Does any1 else think that Army has lost his pace??? There were a few efforts of his for the past few weeks that were very un Army like.
All in all, we played fairly well. The umps were poo yet again but whats new?
We still have too many players who dont get enough of the pill. Too much left to too few.
For those with the time and inclination.....it would be an interesting stat to see how we compare with other teams with regard to how many of our players have 9 possessions or less in a game. It seems to me we have a lot of bit players and rely on the same few each week to do the bulk of the work.
Anywhoo Go Blues!!
Has anyone mentioned that incredible torpedo induced coast to coast goal?*
Want to see the clock on that one. Definitely a ploy worth trying at least once a game.
For the life of me I cannot fathom why Watson doesn't kick out every single time. Such a beautiful kick!
He's relatively slow, and Walker's relatively fast so ... swap roles.
*Oh, just saw your post bigblue. Maybe I should stop ignoring the warning the new system throws up :P
Has anyone mentioned that incredible torpedo induced coast to coast goal?
Want to see the clock on that one. Definitely a ploy worth trying at least once a game.
For the life of me I cannot fathom why Watson doesn't kick out every single time. Such a beautiful kick!
He's relatively slow, and Walker's relatively fast so ... swap roles.
75m barrell that one. Can't do it too often as it becomes to predictable. But once or twice a game, it could work
Did anyone watch the pre-game stuff on foxtel?
Eddie, Kingy and co were pumping up the Kangas at every opportunity. In 40 minutes of television i dont think they said something positive about Carlton nor something negative against North.
They showed how close North had come in their losses this year and how hard done by they had been. They suggested that they could have been top 4 if things had've gone their way. They failed to show that Blues had the same amount of close losses and thus a similar opportunity for a higher ladder position.
Their individual pre-match predictions were all pro-north.
- Boomer to kick 4-5 goals
- Norths 3 talls to kick 10 between them
- Thomas to kick a bag
- Hansen to take 8 intercept marks.
They were also suggesting that Lachie Hansen was the equal of Lachie Henderson...or that he was in fact better. Never did they suggest that Henderson was actually going to play forward or that his role has changed recently. It was a 'battle for the intercept marks' which they spent 5 minutes talking about....yet it was never on the cards as Hendo was always going to play forward.
North lost last week.
Carlton won.
Carlton are placed higher on the ladder.
North were favourites with the bookies, and certainly all of the panel.
Apparantly North are better placed in 2014 compared to carlton too. Obviously suggesting that both teams had written off 2013, yet here we are sitting in 8th position currently.
I couldn't understand what i was watching. I'm pretty realistic with where i think we are in relation to other clubs, but i thought i had entered the twilight zone or something because nobody spoke a word of sense the entire show. Even the commentators were very pro-kangas early "unlucky to not get a free there were north" vs "probably a bit lucky to get that one was Carlton"
There was no love at all for us, and a decade worth of valentines days rolled into 40 minutes worth of TV directed towards North.
I got more joy from the win knowing that all those fools had to suck eggs then i would've had we had beaten someone like the bombers last night!
Did anyone watch the pre-game stuff on foxtel?
Eddie, Kingy and co were pumping up the Kangas at every opportunity. In 40 minutes of television i dont think they said something positive about Carlton nor something negative against North.
They showed how close North had come in their losses this year and how hard done by they had been. They suggested that they could have been top 4 if things had've gone their way. They failed to show that Blues had the same amount of close losses and thus a similar opportunity for a higher ladder position.
Their individual pre-match predictions were all pro-north.
- Boomer to kick 4-5 goals
- Norths 3 talls to kick 10 between them
- Thomas to kick a bag
- Hansen to take 8 intercept marks.
They were also suggesting that Lachie Hansen was the equal of Lachie Henderson...or that he was in fact better. Never did they suggest that Henderson was actually going to play forward or that his role has changed recently. It was a 'battle for the intercept marks' which they spent 5 minutes talking about....yet it was never on the cards as Hendo was always going to play forward.
North lost last week.
Carlton won.
Carlton are placed higher on the ladder.
North were favourites with the bookies, and certainly all of the panel.
Apparantly North are better placed in 2014 compared to carlton too. Obviously suggesting that both teams had written off 2013, yet here we are sitting in 8th position currently.
I couldn't understand what i was watching. I'm pretty realistic with where i think we are in relation to other clubs, but i thought i had entered the twilight zone or something because nobody spoke a word of sense the entire show. Even the commentators were very pro-kangas early "unlucky to not get a free there were north" vs "probably a bit lucky to get that one was Carlton"
There was no love at all for us, and a decade worth of valentines days rolled into 40 minutes worth of TV directed towards North.
I got more joy from the win knowing that all those fools had to suck eggs then i would've had we had beaten someone like the bombers last night!
WOW. that sounds bad. To be honest though, Kingy is former North player so no real surprise. Not many footy Commentators rate us, which is fair enough, but we are not a rabble and the team does have some good attributes.
I think it is better for footy world not to pump our tyres too much as in the past players got ahead of themselves when the spotlight was on us.
Under the rader is fine by me
Has anyone mentioned that incredible torpedo induced coast to coast goal?
Want to see the clock on that one. Definitely a ploy worth trying at least once a game.
For the life of me I cannot fathom why Watson doesn't kick out every single time. Such a beautiful kick!
He's relatively slow, and Walker's relatively fast so ... swap roles.
75m barrell that one. Can't do it too often as it becomes to predictable. But once or twice a game, it could work
Cheating Scum do it very often with Fletcher.
Jammo certainly was bad. He has no pace this year and obviously hates playing N.M. He gets a bath every time. His fumbling tonight was especially bad, but at least he tries. Watson is an absolute NO-TRIER!
Elwood you mention Watson's mark. Well done, it was his only highlight and as I said, he was in the vicinity so he had a chance.
Purlease - for mine, Watson was our best defender tonight.....how'd his opponent go? Best game Watson has played by a mile, really encouraged with his performance tonight.
Jamo was disgusting.....that's 3 consecutive weeks of us possibly witnessing the demise of Jamo. Has not got a clue out there at the moment, embarrassing he is, total liability. Can't kick, constant brain explosions, can't get near his man - even in situations whereby his opponent is the obvious choice for having the ball delivered, Jamo manages to misread the play/flight of the ball/be too slow off the mark.......I'm over him. He got lucky with Riewoldt's kicking for goal last week, but he is in career-worst form. I hope like hell we're talking to some other full-backs out there come trade time.....Jamo's cooked.
Tend to agree, starts the year off so well then fades away badly. I some instances last night, he actually got himself to the front of Petrie then swung around behind him (not by Petrie) and got out marked. I think Jamo plays his best footy when he reads the footy and attacks it. He just isnt doing that ATM, just focussing too much on his man.
Jammo certainly was bad. He has no pace this year and obviously hates playing N.M. He gets a bath every time. His fumbling tonight was especially bad, but at least he tries. Watson is an absolute NO-TRIER!
Elwood you mention Watson's mark. Well done, it was his only highlight and as I said, he was in the vicinity so he had a chance.
Purlease - for mine, Watson was our best defender tonight.....how'd his opponent go? Best game Watson has played by a mile, really encouraged with his performance tonight.
Jamo was disgusting.....that's 3 consecutive weeks of us possibly witnessing the demise of Jamo. Has not got a clue out there at the moment, embarrassing he is, total liability. Can't kick, constant brain explosions, can't get near his man - even in situations whereby his opponent is the obvious choice for having the ball delivered, Jamo manages to misread the play/flight of the ball/be too slow off the mark.......I'm over him. He got lucky with Riewoldt's kicking for goal last week, but he is in career-worst form. I hope like hell we're talking to some other full-backs out there come trade time.....Jamo's cooked.
Tend to agree, starts the year off so well then fades away badly. I some instances last night, he actually got himself to the front of Petrie then swung around behind him (not by Petrie) and got out marked. I think Jamo plays his best footy when he reads the footy and attacks it. He just isnt doing that ATM, just focussing too much on his man.
Jamo is better suited to the leading forwards.
Petrie is more of a protect space, wrestler type of forward. Ideally, Hendo would've been a better matchup for him....but we all know its better for the team if he is played forward.
Jamo did struggle, and hasn't played to his high standard recently, but he is asked to do jobs he should never have too and still does them to a decent level.
Petrie is underrated.
Jamo has probably struggled since his mate went up forward. Hendo too valuable to go back now and Mick needs to find a suitable replacement. I'm not sure these guys who need to worry about their games rather than helping out the backline are the answer.
And very few full backs work well in isolation or when their other defenders change.
And he was on a Petrie who is a MASSIVE unit.
Again. Look at the delivery and way the ball goes into Norths forward line and compare it too us.
No comparison.
Agree delivery was they key but Jamos positioning was atrocious. Is he feeling the effect of his defensive buddy move up forward. For the record, Petrie is 4cm taller, 3 kg heavier but he has played 130 games more than Jamo.
Looking at that game tonight surely Graham has to come in.
Some of our mids looked bloody awful and needing a rest.
Did you see them warming down in the rooms? Some of our blokes looked shot to pieces, Murph was hobbling badly. I guess with games against Norf thats to be expected.
He gets a lot protection from supporters Jamo. He is our number one defender and therefore he should be treated in such a way. He took their best fowd and so he should have.
His biggest problem is he is far too slow to react the second and third time. If he does not win the first one than then the repeat efforts he gets found out too often.
And before everyone goes mental about it just watch a couple of games closely when it his contest look at the reaction times. Im not implying he is no good just stating that his biggest downfall and does result in a few scoring opp a game that could have easily been stopped.
size=12pt] I watched and the shoulder difference between him and Jammo would have been 6-8 cms.[/size] So the reach would have been 10+ cms very hard to deal with without the actual weight difference.
Jammo - standing Petrie is a huge job and he was OK in that regard, but his field kicking has gone to crap.
Curnow - Great game, Harvey had little influence and when you had the ball the useage was very good. Second best on ground behind Jammo.
Couple of things, only 4cm diff between the two, 193cm versus 197cm.
Are you suggesting Jamo was BOG or was that a typo?
Haha. Yep the correct answer is Hendo. :-[ :-X
Haha. Yep the correct answer is Hendo. :-[ :-X
Sweet mate, was gonna say. My BOG was The Bushranger for the record.
1. McInness and Wells on the wing, first McInness goes to ground but coralls Wells hard on the boundary line, Good work? NO! He buys a dummy which allows Wells to bring it into the middle and a gal comes from it, where if AMac would have just let him kick down the line the worst that could have happened was an attack from one half of the ground but most likely a throw in.
I remember that play and that was actually a terrible low percentage option from Simpson to try and hit McInnes, the kick was going to have to be centimeter perfect and if it wasn't Wells was always going beat McInnes when the ball hit the ground. Simpson would've been better off kicking the ball long and completely out of the danger zone, even if it was turned over.
1. McInness and Wells on the wing, first McInness goes to ground but coralls Wells hard on the boundary line, Good work? NO! He buys a dummy which allows Wells to bring it into the middle and a gal comes from it, where if AMac would have just let him kick down the line the worst that could have happened was an attack from one half of the ground but most likely a throw in.
I remember that play and that was actually a terrible low percentage option from Simpson to try and hit McInnes, the kick was going to have to be centimeter perfect and if it wasn't Wells was always going beat McInnes when the ball hit the ground. Simpson would've been better off kicking the ball long and completely out of the danger zone, even if it was turned over.
Youre right but these are moments in the heat of battle, split second decisions, easy for us watching on TV.
Did anyone watch the pre-game stuff on foxtel?
Eddie, Kingy and co were pumping up the Kangas at every opportunity. In 40 minutes of television i dont think they said something positive about Carlton nor something negative against North.
They showed how close North had come in their losses this year and how hard done by they had been. They suggested that they could have been top 4 if things had've gone their way. They failed to show that Blues had the same amount of close losses and thus a similar opportunity for a higher ladder position.
Their individual pre-match predictions were all pro-north.
- Boomer to kick 4-5 goals
- Norths 3 talls to kick 10 between them
- Thomas to kick a bag
- Hansen to take 8 intercept marks.
They were also suggesting that Lachie Hansen was the equal of Lachie Henderson...or that he was in fact better. Never did they suggest that Henderson was actually going to play forward or that his role has changed recently. It was a 'battle for the intercept marks' which they spent 5 minutes talking about....yet it was never on the cards as Hendo was always going to play forward.
North lost last week.
Carlton won.
Carlton are placed higher on the ladder.
North were favourites with the bookies, and certainly all of the panel.
Apparantly North are better placed in 2014 compared to carlton too. Obviously suggesting that both teams had written off 2013, yet here we are sitting in 8th position currently.
I couldn't understand what i was watching. I'm pretty realistic with where i think we are in relation to other clubs, but i thought i had entered the twilight zone or something because nobody spoke a word of sense the entire show. Even the commentators were very pro-kangas early "unlucky to not get a free there were north" vs "probably a bit lucky to get that one was Carlton"
There was no love at all for us, and a decade worth of valentines days rolled into 40 minutes worth of TV directed towards North.
I got more joy from the win knowing that all those fools had to suck eggs then i would've had we had beaten someone like the bombers last night!
WOW. that sounds bad. To be honest though, Kingy is former North player so no real surprise. Not many footy Commentators rate us, which is fair enough, but we are not a rabble and the team does have some good attributes.
I think it is better for footy world not to pump our tyres too much as in the past players got ahead of themselves when the spotlight was on us.
Under the rader is fine by me
Yeah, saw it and couldn't believe it.
Make no mistake Fox Footy is the new Channel Eddie. He has a show on there, his company produces programs for it and the stooges who work on it know that he wields real power on that Channel. I don't get MMM,but from what I read his show and the goons who work on it just follow him.
His agenda is to keep us down, keep Collingwood (ad the Bombers) up all while smiling and saying we are all mates.
At least Eddie was the one to point out how ridiculous the free kick not paid as in the back to Betts was that cost us a goal. Fkn Commetti, MaCavaney and co said not a word. They actually applauded the play by the North player! What a bunch of stooges they ALWAYS support North against us on a Friday night.
King the absolute tool said North would win by 10 goals! Stevie Johnson said Hansen to take 8 intercept marks etc. They were all on the North bandwagon was were most punters with apparently 7 in every 8 bets going on North. Sucked in to the lot of them!
At least Eddie was the one to point out how ridiculous the free kick not paid as in the back to Betts was that cost us a goal. Fkn Commetti, MaCavaney and co said not a word. They actually applauded the play by the North player! What a bunch of stooges they ALWAYS support North against us on a Friday night.
Could have been worse Carrots. BT and Darce could have been commentating. :P
Agree with others re Cachia a dumb choice for substitute. Plays a great game the week before, has pace, has mongrel, uses ball well, versatile, and is one player who could have taken Thomas out of the game I reckon.
Armfield and McLean can go back to the magoos, and let's see what Graham and someone else can do. I reckon Graham is going to be our Daniel Rich.
At least Eddie was the one to point out how ridiculous the free kick not paid as in the back to Betts was that cost us a goal. Fkn Commetti, MaCavaney and co said not a word. They actually applauded the play by the North player! What a bunch of stooges they ALWAYS support North against us on a Friday night.
King the absolute tool said North would win by 10 goals! Stevie Johnson said Hansen to take 8 intercept marks etc. They were all on the North bandwagon was were most punters with apparently 7 in every 8 bets going on North. Sucked in to the lot of them!
Yeah, he throws us a bone every now and again.
Agree with others re Cachia a dumb choice for substitute. Plays a great game the week before, has pace, has mongrel, uses ball well, versatile, and is one player who could have taken Thomas out of the game I reckon.
Armfield and McLean can go back to the magoos, and let's see what Graham and someone else can do. I reckon Graham is going to be our Daniel Rich.
Didn't think Armfield was too bad, but his zip is lacking.McLean still puts himself in the tough spots but they weren't great, but really no worse than Judd.
Jon Ralph mentioned Murph is getting his knee drained weekly and surely even the harshest Judd critic would agree that there's likely to be a reason he was so bad.
But I'd like to see Graham in the side.
There is obviously a number of players carry injuries, as all clubs have at this time of year.
Armfield and Murphy have lost heaps of pace over the last few weeks. Murphy looks dead slow, Armfield struggles to chase down a ruck.
Judd looked flat as a tack, like he had the lurgy or something.
Carrazzo and McLean both had great work ethics, but just couldn't do anything once they got to the contest. Our midfield was smashed, but only because the umpires refused to pay free for holding.
I cannot believe how many players at the moment are getting tackled before they take possession of the ball, it cannot be an accident it must be a deliberate umpiring decision because it happens across all games.
"Lance" Gibbs was woeful last night, did anyone else see him half-heartedly chase a North player on the outer wing ?? He was within a metre and a half of the player at the most, the North guy took off, he trotted a handful of steps and then gave up, it was nearly as embarrassing as the Aussies batting last night.
Sorry, I'm completely over Gibbs now, sure he has great disposal (50% of the players in the competition would kill for his goal-kicking accuracy alone) but it's the other parts of his game that are reducing him to that of a serious passenger in the team. If we don't discreetly put the feelers out and see who will give us a decent trade at the end of the year then we clearly have no focus or plan on winning a premiership any time soon.
"Lance" Gibbs was woeful last night, did anyone else see him half-heartedly chase a North player on the outer wing ?? He was within a metre and a half of the player at the most, the North guy took off, he trotted a handful of steps and then gave up, it was nearly as embarrassing as the Aussies batting last night.
Sorry, I'm completely over Gibbs now, sure he has great disposal (50% of the players in the competition would kill for his goal-kicking accuracy alone) but it's the other parts of his game that are reducing him to that of a serious passenger in the team. If we don't discreetly put the feelers out and see who will give us a decent trade at the end of the year then we clearly have no focus or plan on winning a premiership any time soon.
11 disposals was it? 3 of them were turnovers at least. SELL SELL SELL.
He 5hites me to tears like no other. Over rated to the hilt.
"Lance" Gibbs was woeful last night, did anyone else see him half-heartedly chase a North player on the outer wing ?? He was within a metre and a half of the player at the most, the North guy took off, he trotted a handful of steps and then gave up, it was nearly as embarrassing as the Aussies batting last night.
Sorry, I'm completely over Gibbs now, sure he has great disposal (50% of the players in the competition would kill for his goal-kicking accuracy alone) but it's the other parts of his game that are reducing him to that of a serious passenger in the team. If we don't discreetly put the feelers out and see who will give us a decent trade at the end of the year then we clearly have no focus or plan on winning a premiership any time soon.
His disposal was pretty average last night, apart from that he played a a mainly defensive role and did it well.
He's not for sale and neither is Kreuz so move on.
We were lucky and plucky - lucky in the first quarter that norf were very inaccurate, which kept us in the game. And plucky that we had whatever it takes to take advantage of our luck. We also didn't get shafted by the umps for a change. Someone should bust Razor Ray's other kneecap.
If we could play 4 quarters the way we played the first 3, that would be great. The next step perhaps ?
What would be the odds that Juddy has OP or an adductor strain? He had a fraction of his normal acceleration, agility and length of kicking.
"Lance" Gibbs was woeful last night, did anyone else see him half-heartedly chase a North player on the outer wing ?? He was within a metre and a half of the player at the most, the North guy took off, he trotted a handful of steps and then gave up, it was nearly as embarrassing as the Aussies batting last night.
Sorry, I'm completely over Gibbs now, sure he has great disposal (50% of the players in the competition would kill for his goal-kicking accuracy alone) but it's the other parts of his game that are reducing him to that of a serious passenger in the team. If we don't discreetly put the feelers out and see who will give us a decent trade at the end of the year then we clearly have no focus or plan on winning a premiership any time soon.
His disposal was pretty average last night, apart from that he played a a mainly defensive role and did it well.
He's not for sale and neither is Kreuz so move on.
A genuince KPD for Gibbs? I would take it. I see Gibbs the same way as Yarran. Either show genuine heart or get ready to pack your bags. Given his blatant talent, he has the heart and mongrel of a Mouse. Also see him doing "just enough", never gut runs or see genuine anger. Show Pony. If Melbourne offered Frawley for Gibbs I would say thanks.
I must say that watching MM spray Walker on the sidelines was great to see...never mind his expression when Army was pinged by the refs after making a wonderful tackle. I was waiting for him to do a Clarkson and smash something...loved the anger.
"Lance" Gibbs was woeful last night, did anyone else see him half-heartedly chase a North player on the outer wing ?? He was within a metre and a half of the player at the most, the North guy took off, he trotted a handful of steps and then gave up, it was nearly as embarrassing as the Aussies batting last night.
Sorry, I'm completely over Gibbs now, sure he has great disposal (50% of the players in the competition would kill for his goal-kicking accuracy alone) but it's the other parts of his game that are reducing him to that of a serious passenger in the team. If we don't discreetly put the feelers out and see who will give us a decent trade at the end of the year then we clearly have no focus or plan on winning a premiership any time soon.
His disposal was pretty average last night, apart from that he played a a mainly defensive role and did it well.
He's not for sale and neither is Kreuz so move on.
A genuince KPD for Gibbs? I would take it. I see Gibbs the same way as Yarran. Either show genuine heart or get ready to pack your bags. Given his blatant talent, he has the heart and mongrel of a Mouse. Also see him doing "just enough", never gut runs or see genuine anger. Show Pony. If Melbourne offered Frawley for Gibbs I would say thanks.
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Which part of "untouchable" didn't people understand. MM made it pretty clear that he wasn't going anywhere, agree with Cimm move on
What would be the odds that Juddy has OP or an adductor strain? He had a fraction of his normal acceleration, agility and length of kicking.
Exactly what I thought.
Looked like his last year at the Eagles.
Last week running well and great below his knees, this week could hardly bend and no power
Back maybe?
Two things I got out of last night:
1) Lindsay Thomas and Brent Harvey reiterated what total flogs they are.
b) North fans are funny. They re like dole bludgers who complain about not getting paid enough.
We are not good enough to be dropping players like Brock Mclean. Yeah he can be frustrating at times but he does the tough hard stuff and does have some polish to his play.
"Lance" Gibbs was woeful last night, did anyone else see him half-heartedly chase a North player on the outer wing ?? He was within a metre and a half of the player at the most, the North guy took off, he trotted a handful of steps and then gave up, it was nearly as embarrassing as the Aussies batting last night.
Sorry, I'm completely over Gibbs now, sure he has great disposal (50% of the players in the competition would kill for his goal-kicking accuracy alone) but it's the other parts of his game that are reducing him to that of a serious passenger in the team. If we don't discreetly put the feelers out and see who will give us a decent trade at the end of the year then we clearly have no focus or plan on winning a premiership any time soon.
His disposal was pretty average last night, apart from that he played a a mainly defensive role and did it well.
He's not for sale and neither is Kreuz so move on.
A genuince KPD for Gibbs? I would take it. I see Gibbs the same way as Yarran. Either show genuine heart or get ready to pack your bags. Given his blatant talent, he has the heart and mongrel of a Mouse. Also see him doing "just enough", never gut runs or see genuine anger. Show Pony. If Melbourne offered Frawley for Gibbs I would say thanks.
I must say that watching MM spray Walker on the sidelines was great to see...never mind his expression when Army was pinged by the refs after making a wonderful tackle. I was waiting for him to do a Clarkson and smash something...loved the anger.
If Melbourne offered Frawley for Gibbs, I'd show them a photo of my butt hole and tell them to suck hard. No way would I do that trade.
I can only speak for myself, but watching Gibbs on TV seems to be only half the story - reports that one hears are that he's rated for his off the ball work as much as anything. But with the ball in his hands, he stunk it up last night for sure. And yes, his intensity was off last night also, been ok most of this year though.
The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.
In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.
A truly dumb decision.
The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.
In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.
A truly dumb decision.
Must admit I'm surprised at the creed Norf Scott gets for having achieved nothing in 3 years (or is it 4 years)
Liked the line in the Age match report today, "North never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." ;D
Are people influenced too much by statistics?
Watson's man was Robbie Tarrant for anyone in doubt, I mentioned in my discussions prior to the game that it was always likely to be him, but that I thought North should have played Daw instead, I also think if they did... they would have won this game.
Watson was so far behind Tarrant on the lead tonight that it was embarrassing. I was sitting with a North mate and pointed out the contest before the game, but both agreed that it was unlikely Tarrant would be able to exploit it, because if he gets a free hit at a contested pack mark he is going to reach in to mark, or turn away, because he severely lacks the fortitude required to put a body into the contest, he also is only an average mark anyway and when he kicks a few goals it is often with great kicks, which he is.
I think Tarrant created plenty of chances to influence the game and very little that Watson done had any influence on Tarrant not taking those chances.
Now I have said negative things about Watson before, so perhaps this comes across as biased.... But I absolutely think he had a poor game, it would be akin to saying in the first half McInnes beat Black... nope Black's horrific kicking beat himself. I do think McInnes was better in the 2nd half and the same goes for Watson.
I wasn't at the game last night, but i was there last week. I made some comments about how Watson was used last week and although its tough to guage on TV it appears he was used in a similar role.
Essentially he is used as the spare man who fills the hole.
Last week he played in front of Riewoldt, this week Petrie.
So he may have let his opponent, Tarrant, run free out of the forward line and trailed behind him....but that was probably the plan. Ensure he doesn't get the ball inside 50. If he is outside 50, help out Jamo.
Smart play by Mick as it's worked 2 weeks in a role, using a guy that most people thought was destined for the scrap heap.
That paints a nice picture Kruddler, but that simply wasn't the case. He wasn't a floater, chopout, third man up. He had a direct man he spent a lot of time chasing and that man, despite not being overly quick himself, absolute put 10-15m on him in just about every lead. The worst example was when Tarrant lead to about 60 out, Watson chasing, then he double back into the pocket with Watson about 25 behind him, he should have been in prime position to be the 3rd man into the Petrie/Jamo contest, but funnily enough he again (surprised?) completely shirked it and turned away from the ball as Jamo and Petrie hit it.
Watson was smashed by Tarrant's running, just Tarrant failed to take a number of fairly easy grabs and also failed to use the fact he had been able to leave his opponent behind him to impact as the third man in the contest.
It wasn't great coaching and it wasn't great going by Watson, it was completely Tarrant playing another spud game for a spud player
Btw if Watto plays a good game, he deserves Kudos I don't by any means hate, but people can't rewrite a game to build it up to what it wasn't. It cannot be the bar that is set as a good game, or we will go nowhere.
The same with McInnes on Black early, Black was killing him early and looked unbelievable, he didn't covert so therefore McInnes had done his job??? Not a chance, McInnes had to (and did) lift
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This disturbs me: :o ::) :-[
"Well, you've got to hold your nerve a little bit. There was a temptation to play Simon White – we'll consider that next time.
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The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.
In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.
A truly dumb decision.
Yep, we broke fairly even in the hitouts but Goldstein was knackered in the last quarter and couldnt even make it to some marking contests....Brad Scott is lucky he has a successful coaching twin in Chris because he is flying under the radar somewhat and North are no better than when he started with them 4 years ago. Anyone else would be on the chopping block but brother Chris being successful still has Nth fans and the board hoping Brad will be as good...
His presser was defensive and this after he has a couple of weeks paying out on the players......he refused to praise Carlton apart from our good conversion early and just talked up players like Thomas and Hine.
I think he might be the new Voss next at trade time and try and buy his way out of trouble but like Voss more than likely buy his way into trouble....
The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.
In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.
A truly dumb decision.
Yep, we broke fairly even in the hitouts but Goldstein was knackered in the last quarter and couldnt even make it to some marking contests....Brad Scott is lucky he has a successful coaching twin in Chris because he is flying under the radar somewhat and North are no better than when he started with them 4 years ago. Anyone else would be on the chopping block but brother Chris being successful still has Nth fans and the board hoping Brad will be as good...
His presser was defensive and this after he has a couple of weeks paying out on the players......he refused to praise Carlton apart from our good conversion early and just talked up players like Thomas and Hine.
I think he might be the new Voss next at trade time and try and buy his way out of trouble but like Voss more than likely buy his way into trouble....
If you go to the North boards on BF half are saying delist Goldstein and the other half are questioning Scotts selection process.
It's just dumb that he wouldn't make Petrie, Black or Tarrant at least go in the ruck when Rowe was on.
size=12pt] I watched and the shoulder difference between him and Jammo would have been 6-8 cms.[/size] So the reach would have been 10+ cms very hard to deal with without the actual weight difference.
Jammo - standing Petrie is a huge job and he was OK in that regard, but his field kicking has gone to crap.
Curnow - Great game, Harvey had little influence and when you had the ball the useage was very good. Second best on ground behind Jammo.
Couple of things, only 4cm diff between the two, 193cm versus 197cm.
Reading some of the posts here, apparently Petrie is the biggest giant currently playing AFL.....fark me, stop making excuses for a bloke who is fast turning putridness into a weekly expectation.
The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.
In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.
A truly dumb decision.
Yep, we broke fairly even in the hitouts but Goldstein was knackered in the last quarter and couldnt even make it to some marking contests....Brad Scott is lucky he has a successful coaching twin in Chris because he is flying under the radar somewhat and North are no better than when he started with them 4 years ago. Anyone else would be on the chopping block but brother Chris being successful still has Nth fans and the board hoping Brad will be as good...
His presser was defensive and this after he has a couple of weeks paying out on the players......he refused to praise Carlton apart from our good conversion early and just talked up players like Thomas and Hine.
I think he might be the new Voss next at trade time and try and buy his way out of trouble but like Voss more than likely buy his way into trouble....
I wouldn't mind if Carlton tried to help him out with this bit. There are a couple of North boys who I reckon would look pretty good in Navy Blue !!
I know the Watson torp got us a goal but just looked at it again and if it wasn'tfor two North defenders horribly misjudging the flight of the ball I think it would have backfired yet again.
I'd rather not see it done unless the opposition has stuffed their zone.
The frigging replay from Friday night STILL not working on the useless AFL site ! Anyone know anywhere else you can see it on the net ?
2nd rate media content from a 2nd rate organisation.......
The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.
In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.
A truly dumb decision.
They showed that Goldstein has been rotated 5 times.... For the year. The YEAR.
Next best was Minson at 55.
And they wonder why they run out of legs.
I know the Watson torp got us a goal but just looked at it again and if it wasn'tfor two North defenders horribly misjudging the flight of the ball I think it would have backfired yet again.
I'd rather not see it done unless the opposition has stuffed their zone.
thats the idea mate. this is what the cause of this act does. It forces an opponent to stuff up their zone.
The idea of it is to make your opposition second guess what can occur tactically. If you do the same thing frequently you allow your opponent to figure out how to setup. This goal may have prevented North from squeazing up and locking us in. Do it twice, then next time run it out and all of a sudden your oppoisition is unsure on how to setup.
Especially if you start kicking to secondary targets coming out like a medium forward.
The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.
In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.
A truly dumb decision.
They showed that Goldstein has been rotated 5 times.... For the year. The YEAR.
Next best was Minson at 55.
And they wonder why they run out of legs.
this was pointed out by Paul roos - on the couch during the week. He suggested correctly, that due to the lack of rotations of KPP, and especially Goldstein, was affecting performances late in games due to fatigue
Scott seems not one to pick up ques from other more notables in the industry - maybe his temper tantrums and an eye for the umpires performances are clouding his judgement
I know the Watson torp got us a goal but just looked at it again and if it wasn'tfor two North defenders horribly misjudging the flight of the ball I think it would have backfired yet again.
I'd rather not see it done unless the opposition has stuffed their zone.
thats the idea mate. this is what the cause of this act does. It forces an opponent to stuff up their zone.
The idea of it is to make your opposition second guess what can occur tactically. If you do the same thing frequently you allow your opponent to figure out how to setup. This goal may have prevented North from squeazing up and locking us in. Do it twice, then next time run it out and all of a sudden your oppoisition is unsure on how to setup.
Especially if you start kicking to secondary targets coming out like a medium forward.
It doesn't cause them to stuff their zone though. It only works if their zone is stuffed to begin with (ie. no one is covering the centre - and seeing as that is the most dangerous part of the ground and the area which is going to cost you the most damage, that is where most of the focus usually goes into protecting as opposed to say the pockets where zones will happily let you kick to) or someone makes a big cock up.
That's what happened on the weekend. They had the kick covered, two players had it covered actually but they somehow managed to both misjudge the flight of the kick and run under the ball. One player gets a fist on that ball and it costs you a goal.
I liked 2E on Before the Game. Scott said after the game that 2E was lucky he wasn't playing in the 70s after 2E gave Ziebell a love tap with his foot on the shin where Ziebell had previously been kicked (accidentally).
2E's response: "I am lucky, pay was crap in the 70s" ;D
That's good coming from Scott. I'd say that Ziebell is very lucky we aren't playing in the 70's based on his previous form. You reap what you sow.
I know the Watson torp got us a goal but just looked at it again and if it wasn'tfor two North defenders horribly misjudging the flight of the ball I think it would have backfired yet again.
I'd rather not see it done unless the opposition has stuffed their zone.
thats the idea mate. this is what the cause of this act does. It forces an opponent to stuff up their zone.
The idea of it is to make your opposition second guess what can occur tactically. If you do the same thing frequently you allow your opponent to figure out how to setup. This goal may have prevented North from squeazing up and locking us in. Do it twice, then next time run it out and all of a sudden your oppoisition is unsure on how to setup.
Especially if you start kicking to secondary targets coming out like a medium forward.
It doesn't cause them to stuff their zone though. It only works if their zone is stuffed to begin with (ie. no one is covering the centre - and seeing as that is the most dangerous part of the ground and the area which is going to cost you the most damage, that is where most of the focus usually goes into protecting as opposed to say the pockets where zones will happily let you kick to) or someone makes a big cock up.
That's what happened on the weekend. They had the kick covered, two players had it covered actually but they somehow managed to both misjudge the flight of the kick and run under the ball. One player gets a fist on that ball and it costs you a goal.
Sorry mate, I can't agree. We had a heap of smalls (Armfield, Garlett and Betts) surrounding Henderson who was being minded by Thompson and one other (think it was Grima).
I was under the impression that you setup to stop the marking targets, and defend a line behind where you expect the kick to go, leaving a defender with the key forward and one loose player behind everyone to mop up any streaming forward and ensure an easy contested mark is not taken secondary to the kick.
Reason why they stuffed it, was solely because the length was longer than expected, so instead of being able to run up at the ball coming in and spoil it, they had to initially go back, and then go forward again to get to the ball drop. Misjudge that, and your result is what we got. Add to the fact that all of a sudden they were spoiling Hendo's ability to mark. The subsequent kick, North HAVE to setup a further ten metres back, and push up when it becomes clear that the barrel is not coming. All of a sudden, you have bred uncertainty in your opponents defense on where they can and cannot setup.
This kick cannot be underestimated in terms of what thoughts it would implant into your opposition. All of a sudden when Watson is not taking the kick, they need to defend the pocket (rather than leaving it free like you suggest) as all of a sudden we can be inside forward 50 within two kicks. One to Watson, the next one a barrel from the pocket.
Our secondary forward targets from a kick in (read Henderson) need to be manned up, as the bomb could go to him. Would also allow our rucks to get a more even one on one contest on a flank to get out. Then the other option of running it out.
Not everyone has a Matthew Watson kick in the team. I would even favour going this route 2 in every 6 kickouts with the others being a mix of short kicks and longish kicks. Would absolutely screw your opposition in terms of where do they setup.
You could even do it every time your opponents behinds hit a multiple of 5, and that could be the signal of when to setup for it.