Carlton Supporters Club

The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.

In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.

A truly dumb decision.

Quote from: mateinone on July 20, 2013, 12:02:58 am

Are people influenced too much by statistics?

Watson's man was Robbie Tarrant for anyone in doubt, I mentioned in my discussions prior to the game that it was always likely to be him, but that I thought North should have played Daw instead, I also think if they did... they would have won this game.

Watson was so far behind Tarrant on the lead  tonight that it was embarrassing. I was sitting with a North mate and pointed out the contest before the game, but both agreed that it was unlikely Tarrant would be able to exploit it, because if he gets a free hit at a contested pack mark he is going to reach in to mark, or turn away, because he severely lacks the fortitude required to put a body into the contest, he also is only an average mark anyway and when he kicks a few goals it is often with great kicks, which he is.

I think Tarrant created plenty of chances to influence the game and very little that Watson done had any  influence on Tarrant not taking those chances.

Now I have said negative things about Watson before, so perhaps this comes across as biased.... But I absolutely think he had a poor game, it would be akin to saying in the first half McInnes beat Black... nope Black's horrific kicking beat himself. I do think McInnes was better in the 2nd half and the same goes for Watson.

I wasn't at the game last night, but i was there last week. I made some comments about how Watson was used last week and although its tough to guage on TV it appears he was used in a similar role.

Essentially he is used as the spare man who fills the hole.
Last week he played in front of Riewoldt, this week Petrie.

So he may have let his opponent, Tarrant, run free out of the forward line and trailed behind him....but that was probably the plan. Ensure he doesn't get the ball inside 50. If he is outside 50, help out Jamo.

Smart play by Mick as it's worked 2 weeks in a role, using a guy that most people thought was destined for the scrap heap.

"Well, you've got to hold your nerve a little bit. There was a temptation to play Simon White – we'll consider that next time.

The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.

In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.

A truly dumb decision.

Quote from: cimm1979 on July 20, 2013, 03:01:59 pm

The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.

In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.

A truly dumb decision.

Yep, we broke fairly even in the hitouts but Goldstein was knackered in the last quarter and couldnt even make it to some marking contests....Brad Scott is lucky he has a successful coaching twin in Chris because he is flying under the radar somewhat and North are no better than when he started with them 4 years ago. Anyone else would be on the chopping block but brother Chris being successful still has Nth fans and the board hoping Brad will be as good...
His presser was defensive and this after he has a couple of weeks paying out on the players......he refused to praise Carlton apart from our good conversion early and just talked up players like Thomas and Hine.
I think he might be the new Voss next at trade time and try and buy his way out of trouble but like Voss more than likely buy his way into trouble....

Quote from: Raydan link=topic=144.msg3166#msg3166 date=1374277751 Drew Petrie - This guy is huge, he is ruckman size, strong and mobile.[size=12pt

size=12pt] I watched and the shoulder difference between him and Jammo would have been 6-8 cms.[/size] So the reach would have been 10+ cms very hard to deal with without the actual weight difference.

Jammo - standing Petrie is a huge job and he was OK in that regard, but his field kicking has gone to crap.

Curnow - Great game, Harvey had little influence and when you had the ball the useage was very good. Second best on ground behind Jammo.

Couple of things, only 4cm diff between the two, 193cm versus 197cm.

Quote from: cimm1979 on July 20, 2013, 03:01:59 pm

The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.

In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.

A truly dumb decision.

Yep, we broke fairly even in the hitouts but Goldstein was knackered in the last quarter and couldnt even make it to some marking contests....Brad Scott is lucky he has a successful coaching twin in Chris because he is flying under the radar somewhat and North are no better than when he started with them 4 years ago. Anyone else would be on the chopping block but brother Chris being successful still has Nth fans and the board hoping Brad will be as good...
His presser was defensive and this after he has a couple of weeks paying out on the players......he refused to praise Carlton apart from our good conversion early and just talked up players like Thomas and Hine.
I think he might be the new Voss next at trade time and try and buy his way out of trouble but like Voss more than likely buy his way into trouble....

The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.

In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.

A truly dumb decision.

I know the Watson torp got us a goal but just looked at it again and if it wasn'tfor two North defenders horribly misjudging the flight of the ball I think it would have backfired yet again.

I'd rather not see it done unless the opposition has stuffed their zone.

Quote from: cimm1979 on July 20, 2013, 03:01:59 pm

The North fans should ask their coach why, when they have more talls than we do, he didn't have one or two of them take some of the ruck to give Goldstien a break.

In the end Kreuzers's ability to cover the ground was worth more than a couple of hit outs.

A truly dumb decision.

They showed that Goldstein has been rotated 5 times.... For the year. The YEAR.


Next best was Minson at 55.

And they wonder why they run out of legs.

Quote from: ItsOurTime on July 20, 2013, 11:05:59 pm

I know the Watson torp got us a goal but just looked at it again and if it wasn'tfor two North defenders horribly misjudging the flight of the ball I think it would have backfired yet again.

I'd rather not see it done unless the opposition has stuffed their zone.

thats the idea mate.  this is what the cause of this act does.  It forces an opponent to stuff up their zone.

The idea of it is to make your opposition second guess what can occur tactically.  If you do the same thing frequently you allow your opponent to figure out how to setup.  This goal may have prevented North from squeazing up and locking us in.  Do it twice, then next time run it out and all of a sudden your oppoisition is unsure on how to setup. 

Especially if you start kicking to secondary targets coming out like a medium forward.