What a shocker! A 75 point thrashing.
A couple of positives: Menzel stood up and kicked a few goals. Watson played probably his best game of the year and destroyed Gumby. That may terminate the move to recruit Gumby in itself.
Otherwise....
I'm looking forward to what RR and the crew have to say.
Thank you again to Matt Lodge for his excellent coverage via Twitter.
Disgraceful......time for a stand alone team IMO and reckon Webster has to go.
Well done to Watson and I'd play him vs Stkilda and move Henderson forward
Good news about Watson, should play against the Saints.
I'd like to think that results are immaterial... but they aren't. Pleased for any kids that do well.
Trouble with Watson is he doesn't seem to back it up the next week. Like to see Menzel play out the rest of the season in the seniors.
Terrible effort... with so many senior players missing, we've been exposed - yet again! Coulde be quite a procession leaving Princes Park at year's end.
Watson may have a chance against Kozzi!
Terrible effort... with so many senior players missing, we've been exposed - yet again! Coulde be quite a procession leaving Princes Park at year's end.
Watson may have a chance against Kozzi!
Heard there could be 10 going! Yep time to give Watson his go in the seniors!
What a shocker! A 75 point thrashing.
A couple of positives: Menzel stood up and kicked a few goals. Watson played probably his best game of the year and destroyed Gumby. That may terminate the move to recruit Gumby in itself.
Otherwise....
I'm looking forward to what RR and the crew have to say.
Thank you again to Matt Lodge for his excellent coverage via Twitter.
Crash have to agree a positive may well be we stay clear of Gumby now, Menzel to come in hopefully but aside from that :(
You have to give some credit to Watson. He hasn't had a look in this season as a result of our key forwards actually staying fit, but Waite goes down and he steps up to play his best game of the year.
He should come in next week against the Saints, releasing Hendo up forward.
He seems to be someone that needs that added incentive (evidenced by the fact that he was so much better in the seniors last year than he was in the twos) so hopefully this is the opportunity he needs to show something.
Pretty damn disappointing to see us capitulate so badly in the same weekend the seniors have their worst loss of the year. It was a big opportunity to earn a senior game this week but how many actually seemed to want it?
Pretty damn disappointing to see us capitulate so badly in the same weekend the seniors have their worst loss of the year. It was a big opportunity to earn a senior game this week but how many actually seemed to want it?
You know what you really nailed it Nath - that really was a Sh1t weekend football wise :-[
He seems to be someone that needs that added incentive (evidenced by the fact that he was so much better in the seniors last year than he was in the twos) so hopefully this is the opportunity he needs to take
Or the conspiracy theorists would say he put in a big one in front of the one club he wants to go to?
Not as worried by the result so much as to finding out who went well. Some of the right blokes I want to see taking spots in the seniors soon did well, Menzel, Graham, Buckley, Watson. So we got something out of it in that regard.
First time I have managed to get out of the house without the kids and watch the Northern Blues this year. The scoreboard reflected a pretty average day, however there where some periods of the game in which we had a fair bit of the play without impacting the scoreboard.
Essendon 5.1 8.5 11.10 18.10 (118)
Northern Blues 0.4 2.6 5.9 6.13 (49)
GOALS:
Essendon: Dell'Olio 4 Daniher 4 Davey 2 Lovett-Murray 2 Gumbleton Dalgleish Hille Duscher Hunter Coghlan
Northern Blues: Menzel 3 Wilson Buckley Lincoln
BEST:
Essendon: Firman Jetta O'Brien O'Brien Duscher Lovett-Murray
Northern Blues: Watson Menzel Gianfagna Duigan Graham Meese
STATS (Disposals): Duigan 22, Menzel 20, Graham 19, Davies 19, Gianfagna 18, Lambert 17
White: I didn't mind his game. Got crunched early by Rowe, but he is a pretty solid footballer who makes pretty good decisions by hand and foot. Composed in congestion.
M. Watson: Easy our best. Gumbleton kicked one and would have been lucky to have 5-7 touches. Never beaten one on one, with countless spoils and read the play on a number of occasions to take strong marks in defense. Used the ball very well.
Joseph: Played back pocket and had his hands full. One dimensional footballer and while he has a red hot crack he just lacks the skills to make it. Get the feeling he knows his days are numbered.
F. Dale: Played in defence. Not a lot of impact and a few errors by foot. Ok but needs to do more. Physically ill at half time. Not sure if that's nerves or he was unwell.
Rowe: Had a maire early. Combination of bad luck and poor management. Had a hand in the first three of the Bombers goals. First a "very soft" free to Daniher, then got caught behind with a quick snap around the corner, and then in frustration gave away a 2nd free with an overzealous attack on the football. Battled on pretty well given the circumstances.
Davies: I reckon he had Davey for most of the day and did a pretty decent job. Good kick.
Temay: Liked his game. Clean and composed in a side that butchers the ball. Wouldn't have had huge numbers.
Buckley: Two great runs through the middle of the ground. One resulted in a goal and the other out of bounds on the full. Looks to be our best midfielder suited to play at AFL level.
Laidler: Tracking David Teague for the biggest demise of an AFL footballer in a Carlton jumper. From someone that I thought was so important to our side to a non-event at VFL level. I don't get it. Whatever Mick's plan is, I hope it works. Based on today he is miles away from the ones. You just couldn't pick him.
Menzel: The only forward that looked dangerous. If you think our AFL forward line is dysfunctional, the VFL one has it covered in spades. This bloke however gets it and is a good finisher. He won't play too many games at VFL level.
Hampson: Hurt his knee early in the 2nd. No impact beforehand. The couple of times he was on the lead he managed to run under the ball.
Mitchell: A couple of good marks, but another non event. You would love him as an opposition coach as you can play a third tall type like Hardingham on him who can compete physically and run off him at will. Needs to join Watson and Casboult in pre-season training with Craig Mottram. Can't play AFL on current form.
Warnock: Looks like a bloke collecting a pay cheque. No influence on the game other than hit outs. A real disappointment. No intensity at all and the question I would be asking is "does he play football because he loves the game or because he is good at it."
Duigan: Pretty average early, however to his credit worked into the game and seemed to push further up the ground in the 2nd half. Great intensity.
Graham: Didn't notice him a lot so it was nice to see he had 19 touches.
Great to see Watson finally putting his hand up. Henderson/Casboult forward with Watson, Jamison and McInnes in defence is worth trialling.
Would be great to see Casboult given a full game in the forward line, supported by a capable key forward. So, i'd be bringing Warnock in too!
Other changes would be Cachia to the backline, Yarran to the wing, Walker third tall forward. Something like this
Cachia Jamison Watson
Tuohy McInnes Simpson
Yarran Murphy Gibbs
Walker Casboult Garlett
Betts Henderson Judd
Kreuzer Murphy Carazzo
Mclean, Menzel, Warnock sub: Graham
First time I have managed to get out of the house without the kids and watch the Northern Blues this year. The scoreboard reflected a pretty average day, however there where some periods of the game in which we had a fair bit of the play without impacting the scoreboard.
Essendon 5.1 8.5 11.10 18.10 (118)
Northern Blues 0.4 2.6 5.9 6.13 (49)
GOALS:
Essendon: Dell'Olio 4 Daniher 4 Davey 2 Lovett-Murray 2 Gumbleton Dalgleish Hille Duscher Hunter Coghlan
Northern Blues: Menzel 3 Wilson Buckley Lincoln
BEST:
Essendon: Firman Jetta O'Brien O'Brien Duscher Lovett-Murray
Northern Blues: Watson Menzel Gianfagna Duigan Graham Meese
STATS (Disposals): Duigan 22, Menzel 20, Graham 19, Davies 19, Gianfagna 18, Lambert 17
White: I didn't mind his game. Got crunched early by Rowe, but he is a pretty solid footballer who makes pretty good decisions by hand and foot. Composed in congestion.
M. Watson: Easy our best. Gumbleton kicked one and would have been lucky to have 5-7 touches. Never beaten one on one, with countless spoils and read the play on a number of occasions to take strong marks in defense. Used the ball very well.
Joseph: Played back pocket and had his hands full. One dimensional footballer and while he has a red hot crack he just lacks the skills to make it. Get the feeling he knows his days are numbered.
F. Dale: Played in defence. Not a lot of impact and a few errors by foot. Ok but needs to do more. Physically ill at half time. Not sure if that's nerves or he was unwell.
Rowe: Had a maire early. Combination of bad luck and poor management. Had a hand in the first three of the Bombers goals. First a "very soft" free to Daniher, then got caught behind with a quick snap around the corner, and then in frustration gave away a 2nd free with an overzealous attack on the football. Battled on pretty well given the circumstances.
Davies: I reckon he had Davey for most of the day and did a pretty decent job. Good kick.
Temay: Liked his game. Clean and composed in a side that butchers the ball. Wouldn't have had huge numbers.
Buckley: Two great runs through the middle of the ground. One resulted in a goal and the other out of bounds on the full. Looks to be our best midfielder suited to play at AFL level.
Laidler: Tracking David Teague for the biggest demise of an AFL footballer in a Carlton jumper. From someone that I thought was so important to our side to a non-event at VFL level. I don't get it. Whatever Mick's plan is, I hope it works. Based on today he is miles away from the ones. You just couldn't pick him.
Menzel: The only forward that looked dangerous. If you think our AFL forward line is dysfunctional, the VFL one has it covered in spades. This bloke however gets it and is a good finisher. He won't play too many games at VFL level.
Hampson: Hurt his knee early in the 2nd. No impact beforehand. The couple of time he was on the lead he managed to run under the ball.
Mitchell: A couple of good marks, but another non event. You would love him as an opposition coach as you can play a third tall type like Hardingham on him who can compete physically and run off him at will. Needs to join Watson and Casboult in pre-season training with Craig Mottram. Can't play AFL on current form.
Warnock: Looks like a bloke collecting a pay cheque. No influence on the game other than hit outs. A real disappointment. No intensity at all and the question I would be asking is "does he play football because he loves the game or because he is good at it."
Duigan: Pretty average early, however to his credit worked into the game and seemed to push further up the ground in the 2nd half. Great intensity.
Graham: Didn't notice him a lot so it was nice to see he had 19 touches.
No to Gumby based on his work vs Watson?
Cimm went off on the old site after this result. Swore off making the switch.
Mate if your lurking, you're just the type of supporter we need on here. Heart on your sleeve and passionate to the core.
First time I have managed to get out of the house without the kids and watch the Northern Blues this year. The scoreboard reflected a pretty average day, however there where some periods of the game in which we had a fair bit of the play without impacting the scoreboard.
Essendon 5.1 8.5 11.10 18.10 (118)
Northern Blues 0.4 2.6 5.9 6.13 (49)
GOALS:
Essendon: Dell'Olio 4 Daniher 4 Davey 2 Lovett-Murray 2 Gumbleton Dalgleish Hille Duscher Hunter Coghlan
Northern Blues: Menzel 3 Wilson Buckley Lincoln
BEST:
Essendon: Firman Jetta O'Brien O'Brien Duscher Lovett-Murray
Northern Blues: Watson Menzel Gianfagna Duigan Graham Meese
STATS (Disposals): Duigan 22, Menzel 20, Graham 19, Davies 19, Gianfagna 18, Lambert 17
White: I didn't mind his game. Got crunched early by Rowe, but he is a pretty solid footballer who makes pretty good decisions by hand and foot. Composed in congestion.
M. Watson: Easy our best. Gumbleton kicked one and would have been lucky to have 5-7 touches. Never beaten one on one, with countless spoils and read the play on a number of occasions to take strong marks in defense. Used the ball very well.
Joseph: Played back pocket and had his hands full. One dimensional footballer and while he has a red hot crack he just lacks the skills to make it. Get the feeling he knows his days are numbered.
F. Dale: Played in defence. Not a lot of impact and a few errors by foot. Ok but needs to do more. Physically ill at half time. Not sure if that's nerves or he was unwell.
Rowe: Had a maire early. Combination of bad luck and poor management. Had a hand in the first three of the Bombers goals. First a "very soft" free to Daniher, then got caught behind with a quick snap around the corner, and then in frustration gave away a 2nd free with an overzealous attack on the football. Battled on pretty well given the circumstances.
Davies: I reckon he had Davey for most of the day and did a pretty decent job. Good kick.
Temay: Liked his game. Clean and composed in a side that butchers the ball. Wouldn't have had huge numbers.
Buckley: Two great runs through the middle of the ground. One resulted in a goal and the other out of bounds on the full. Looks to be our best midfielder suited to play at AFL level.
Laidler: Tracking David Teague for the biggest demise of an AFL footballer in a Carlton jumper. From someone that I thought was so important to our side to a non-event at VFL level. I don't get it. Whatever Mick's plan is, I hope it works. Based on today he is miles away from the ones. You just couldn't pick him.
Menzel: The only forward that looked dangerous. If you think our AFL forward line is dysfunctional, the VFL one has it covered in spades. This bloke however gets it and is a good finisher. He won't play too many games at VFL level.
Hampson: Hurt his knee early in the 2nd. No impact beforehand. The couple of times he was on the lead he managed to run under the ball.
Mitchell: A couple of good marks, but another non event. You would love him as an opposition coach as you can play a third tall type like Hardingham on him who can compete physically and run off him at will. Needs to join Watson and Casboult in pre-season training with Craig Mottram. Can't play AFL on current form.
Warnock: Looks like a bloke collecting a pay cheque. No influence on the game other than hit outs. A real disappointment. No intensity at all and the question I would be asking is "does he play football because he loves the game or because he is good at it."
Duigan: Pretty average early, however to his credit worked into the game and seemed to push further up the ground in the 2nd half. Great intensity.
Graham: Didn't notice him a lot so it was nice to see he had 19 touches.
Thanks for the great report, Shakin. Pity that the results were so negative, but we really seem to be going backwards.
Thanks for the great report, Shakin. Pity that the results were so negative, but we really seem to be going backwards.
At least our two grades our in alignment for once - both going about as well.
No to Gumby based on his work vs Watson?
I wouldn't make that call based on one game. He got Watson once on the lead, but most of the contests were one on one. If he is quicker than Watson he didn't show it either because he didn't work hard enough or the delivery didn't allow it.
Being a Key forward in the VFL has to one of the hardest gigs considering the delivery.
Being a Key forward in the VFL has to one of the hardest gigs considered the delivery.
If that's true Shakin who's kicking goals in the VFL? We should go out and get them.
It is a bit of a problem that the Ones are playing poorly and the Twos worse!
I don't know. Have little or no idea on the VFL guys.
I think you consider a guy like Gumbleton, but it would come down to price and what you think that is? I would give up a third round pick. The Bomber would ask for a 1st. Would you take him for a 2nd?
I don't think there is one answer and I would be inclined to keep our options open.
Levi has the potential to be diamond in the rough. At the moment he blows up before half time and his kicking can be terrible. However he has a great set of hands and his ruck work is pretty good. Needs a massive pre-season and a lot of goal kicking work.
Mitchell doesn't look like he has enough strength in his upper body to compete at the moment. He looks like he has the frame, but I wonder if his shoulder injuries has hampered his ability to add muscle. It's only really a question the S&C guys would be able to answer.
Watson I would keep. Again needs to get fitter but he has the attribute of a good footballer. We need to be a bit more patient as earlier key position players from the same draft and still finding their feet. Ie: Sam Day and Thomas Lynch.
McCarthy gets more time. Let's be fair I reckon we won't have a shortage of players to delist.
Rowe: The worry is if he hasn't made it yet, will he ever? Good insurance.
First time I have managed to get out of the house without the kids and watch the Northern Blues this year. The scoreboard reflected a pretty average day, however there where some periods of the game in which we had a fair bit of the play without impacting the scoreboard.
Essendon 5.1 8.5 11.10 18.10 (118)
Northern Blues 0.4 2.6 5.9 6.13 (49)
GOALS:
Essendon: Dell'Olio 4 Daniher 4 Davey 2 Lovett-Murray 2 Gumbleton Dalgleish Hille Duscher Hunter Coghlan
Northern Blues: Menzel 3 Wilson Buckley Lincoln
BEST:
Essendon: Firman Jetta O'Brien O'Brien Duscher Lovett-Murray
Northern Blues: Watson Menzel Gianfagna Duigan Graham Meese
STATS (Disposals): Duigan 22, Menzel 20, Graham 19, Davies 19, Gianfagna 18, Lambert 17
White: I didn't mind his game. Got crunched early by Rowe, but he is a pretty solid footballer who makes pretty good decisions by hand and foot. Composed in congestion.
M. Watson: Easy our best. Gumbleton kicked one and would have been lucky to have 5-7 touches. Never beaten one on one, with countless spoils and read the play on a number of occasions to take strong marks in defense. Used the ball very well.
Joseph: Played back pocket and had his hands full. One dimensional footballer and while he has a red hot crack he just lacks the skills to make it. Get the feeling he knows his days are numbered.
F. Dale: Played in defence. Not a lot of impact and a few errors by foot. Ok but needs to do more. Physically ill at half time. Not sure if that's nerves or he was unwell.
Rowe: Had a maire early. Combination of bad luck and poor management. Had a hand in the first three of the Bombers goals. First a "very soft" free to Daniher, then got caught behind with a quick snap around the corner, and then in frustration gave away a 2nd free with an overzealous attack on the football. Battled on pretty well given the circumstances.
Davies: I reckon he had Davey for most of the day and did a pretty decent job. Good kick.
Temay: Liked his game. Clean and composed in a side that butchers the ball. Wouldn't have had huge numbers.
Buckley: Two great runs through the middle of the ground. One resulted in a goal and the other out of bounds on the full. Looks to be our best midfielder suited to play at AFL level.
Laidler: Tracking David Teague for the biggest demise of an AFL footballer in a Carlton jumper. From someone that I thought was so important to our side to a non-event at VFL level. I don't get it. Whatever Mick's plan is, I hope it works. Based on today he is miles away from the ones. You just couldn't pick him.
Menzel: The only forward that looked dangerous. If you think our AFL forward line is dysfunctional, the VFL one has it covered in spades. This bloke however gets it and is a good finisher. He won't play too many games at VFL level.
Hampson: Hurt his knee early in the 2nd. No impact beforehand. The couple of times he was on the lead he managed to run under the ball.
Mitchell: A couple of good marks, but another non event. You would love him as an opposition coach as you can play a third tall type like Hardingham on him who can compete physically and run off him at will. Needs to join Watson and Casboult in pre-season training with Craig Mottram. Can't play AFL on current form.
Warnock: Looks like a bloke collecting a pay cheque. No influence on the game other than hit outs. A real disappointment. No intensity at all and the question I would be asking is "does he play football because he loves the game or because he is good at it."
Duigan: Pretty average early, however to his credit worked into the game and seemed to push further up the ground in the 2nd half. Great intensity.
Graham: Didn't notice him a lot so it was nice to see he had 19 touches.
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Nice report Shakin - I got nothin to add because I didn't bother going this week - hard to believe Watson was our best player - Gumby must be as slow as Mitchell.
Sounds like the only good thing to say about NBs is that they were more competitive than the ressies were against Pt Melb.
I don't know. Have little or no idea on the VFL guys.
I think you consider a guy like Gumbleton, but it would come down to price and what you think that is? I would give up a third round pick. The Bomber would ask for a 1st. Would you take him for a 2nd?
No I wouldn't.
I don't think there is one answer and I would be inclined to keep our options open.
Levi has the potential to be diamond in the rough. At the moment he blows up before half time and his kicking can be terrible. However he has a great set of hands and his ruck work is pretty good. Needs a massive pre-season and a lot of goal kicking work.
I think we just have to find out if he can play FF. Give him a couple of games playing forward without rucking and see what he can produce. His kicking is woeful but if he get enough shots he has to convert some.
Mitchell doesn't look like he has enough strength in his upper body to compete at the moment. He looks like he has the frame, but I wonder if his shoulder injuries has hampered his ability to add muscle. It's only really a question the S&C guys would be able to answer.
Apparently they rate him highly so they must see something behind the scenes. KPP take years to develop and this is only his real season on the park (injured before that). What's the option with him - play in the 2's for the rest of the year and leave Casbout at FF in the 1's and see how they go?
Watson I would keep. Again needs to get fitter but he has the attribute of a good footballer.
Attributes not attitude. He seems lazy and disinterested and you wonder about the rumours of him wanting to piss off to Essendon.
McCarthy gets more time. Let's be fair I reckon we won't have a shortage of players to delist.
McCarthy has shown nothing. Simple as that. We got more out of Austin when we had him that McCarthy has ever shown.
Rowe: The worry is if he hasn't made it yet, will he ever? Good insurance.
My understanding was the Rowe WAS insurance whilst guys like Casboult and more specifically Mitchell developed.
I don't know. Have little or no idea on the VFL guys.
I think you consider a guy like Gumbleton, but it would come down to price and what you think that is? I would give up a third round pick. The Bomber would ask for a 1st. Would you take him for a 2nd?
I don't think there is one answer and I would be inclined to keep our options open.
Levi has the potential to be diamond in the rough. At the moment he blows up before half time and his kicking can be terrible. However he has a great set of hands and his ruck work is pretty good. Needs a massive pre-season and a lot of goal kicking work.
Mitchell doesn't look like he has enough strength in his upper body to compete at the moment. He looks like he has the frame, but I wonder if his shoulder injuries has hampered his ability to add muscle. It's only really a question the S&C guys would be able to answer.
Watson I would keep. Again needs to get fitter but he has the attribute of a good footballer. We need to be a bit more patient as earlier key position players from the same draft and still finding their feet. Ie: Sam Day and Thomas Lynch.
McCarthy gets more time Let's be fair I reckon we won't have a shortage of players to delist.
Rowe: The worry is if he hasn't made it yet, will he ever? Good insurance.
Mcarthy gets more time???....has shown sweetFA IMO......delist, no one will trade for him IMO.
Agree on Rowe....how much more can he improve and will he ever be fit enough to play 100 mins....rookie at best
Watson I would trade if offered overs but wouldnt give him away.....straight swap for Gumby...maybe
Gumbelton for a 3rd rndr....maybe if his medical was ok but I reckon the Dogs will will offer more....2nd rnder?....would have to really be convinced he was fit and we were going to trade back into the second round.
Mitchell.....maybe keep one more year
Mcarthy gets more time???....has shown sweetFA IMO......delist, no one will trade for him IMO.
Agreed. No trade value at all - couldn't even suck Melbourne into that.
Won't get alot of enthusiasm from the NBs now given many have a fair idea they'll get the @rse at year's end.
Won't get alot of enthusiasm from the NBs now given many have a fair idea they'll get the @rse at year's end.
Many playing for the NB's should have thought about that weeks ago. Not happy with all the reports I read of players struggling in the NB side, and these are guys we need to be in the firsts. Can't develop all our players in the seconds.
Won't get alot of enthusiasm from the NBs now given many have a fair idea they'll get the @rse at year's end.
Many playing for the NB's should have thought about that weeks ago. Not happy with all the reports I read of players struggling in the NB side, and these are guys we need to be in the firsts. Can't develop all our players in the seconds.
Important one's went well, Menzel, Graham, Buckley, our future guns, plus Watson. Laider's one of those who'd probably play better if he were in the seniors but he's has to find a way there first.
laj,
These 4 are players I would like to see play as many games in the seniors before the season ends. If they are part of our future, we need to see them develop in the real world. The AFL.
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Nice report Shakin - I got nothin to add because I didn't bother going this week - hard to believe Watson was our best player - Gumby must be as slow as Mitchell.
Sounds like the only good thing to say about NBs is that they were more competitive than the ressies were against Pt Melb.
To be fair the majority of the contests where long balls into full forward that seemed to work for Watson. Gumbleton didn't do a lot on the lead and the Bombers didn't really honor the very few time he did lead.
Saying that Watson spoiled every one one one contest. Just belted him all day. If he didn't spoil he read the play better and marked.
At one stage Gumbleton led out and doubled back and Watson really trailed him into D50. I was the only time I noticed his lack of pace.
Fair enough on McCarthy. I would give him an extra pre-season and to be honest has shown as much as Mitchell
I reckon we have long list that should go before him.
McCarthy plays like a 6'6" flanker - seems to have no idea what to when the ball comes in high and can look a little ungainly due to his height at times... but he doesn't possess the game or the mass to play a key post, or the pace to go with leading forwards. So he is really a player without a position - where do you play him? And his confidence looks shot, and has looked so for a long time.
Given that he was a seriously talented youngster who played all manner of positions for Glenelg's seconds (ruck and wing are two I can remember), where his running ability, clean hands and touch below his knees really stood out he is a prima facie case of the abject lack of development of kids at Carlton. Why he wasn't assessed early on, a role decided for him, and then groomed for that role absolutely staggers me. Three, albeit injury interrupted seasons, and we still have a kid struggling to contribute in defence. So why hasn't he been tried elsewhere eg on a wing or across half forward? Like I said, the lack of development of a kid like that is bordering on the criminal and serious question need to be asked of the so-called "development" staff.
McCarthy plays like a 6'6" flanker - seems to have no idea what to when the ball comes in high and can look a little ungainly due to his height at times... but he doesn't possess the game or the mass to play a key post, or the pace to go with leading forwards. So he is really a player without a position - where do you play him? And his confidence looks shot, and has looked so for a long time.
Given that he was a seriously talented youngster who played all manner of positions for Glenelg's seconds (ruck and wing are two I can remember), where his running ability, clean hands and touch below his knees really stood out he is a prima facie case of the abject lack of development of kids at Carlton. Why he wasn't assessed early on, a role decided for him, and then groomed for that role absolutely staggers me. Three, albeit injury interrupted seasons, and we still have a kid struggling to contribute in defence. So why hasn't he been tried elsewhere eg on a wing or across half forward? Like I said, the lack of development of a kid like that is bordering on the criminal and serious question need to be asked of the so-called "development" staff.
Excellent post Professor and excellent questions - and we have no answers. Why is it so? It hasn't just been McCarthy it goes back to Adam Hartlett!
You'd have to think about all of those hopeful kids waiting for the draft picks to be made, fingers crossed, hoping they don't get picked by us! :( ::)
You'd have to think about all of those hopeful kids waiting for the draft picks to be made, fingers crossed, hoping they don't get picked by us! :( ::)
Apparently we're the kiss of death for most draftees.
Won't get alot of enthusiasm from the NBs now given many have a fair idea they'll get the @rse at year's end.
Well then if they are willing to just throw it in because they wont get picked for our seniors they can feck off then!
I hate losing more than i like winning. These guys are just moping rather than concentrating on playing roles to win games of footy. If they just did that they might actually get a senior giv. Just goes to show how pea hearted our players are if what you are saying here is true. I dont believe Mick would ever write off a trier but i think he wouldnt waste his time on players who just believe it should happen rather than make it happen.
Won't get alot of enthusiasm from the NBs now given many have a fair idea they'll get the @rse at year's end.
Well then if they are willing to just throw it in because they wont get picked for our seniors they can feck off then!
I hate losing more than i like winning. These guys are just moping rather than concentrating on playing roles to win games of footy. If they just did that they might actually get a senior giv. Just goes to show how pea hearted our players are if what you are saying here is true. I dont believe Mick would ever write off a trier but i think he wouldnt waste his time on players who just believe it should happen rather than make it happen.
Duigan and Laidler are triers and they seem to be on the outer. I know he's not quick Duigan but he gives his all.
There are plenty of logical reasons for Duigan and Laidler not to get picked. Could be the single dimension factor. I reckon Laids is being given the year to recover and both of them are pretty safe and have just been asked to concentrate on fitness and adding another dimension to their games. Duigans alternative is pretty much no AFL footy anyway so may as well keep him as depth, until we find better.
Won't get alot of enthusiasm from the NBs now given many have a fair idea they'll get the @rse at year's end.
Many playing for the NB's should have thought about that weeks ago. Not happy with all the reports I read of players struggling in the NB side, and these are guys we need to be in the firsts. Can't develop all our players in the seconds.
Read CIMMs theory with regards to player performance after MM basically labelled a quarter of our list as not good enough. It has plenty of merit and is almost straight out of the Pagan textbook.
Read CIMMs theory with regards to player performance after MM basically labelled a quarter of our list as not good enough. It has plenty of merit and is almost straight out of the Pagan textbook.
I am still trying to work that out - reverse psychology? To me that's an all or nothing result and your forked if it doesn't motivate.
re: Duigan and Laidler.......reckon Mick wants more pace in the team and these two lack a yard.
re: Duigan and Laidler.......reckon Mick wants more pace in the team and these two lack a yard.
Whilst I agree they lack a yard they were effective in our structure a year ago. Duigan can get exposed when he's made to chase but so can Harry O at Collingwood.
McCarthy plays like a 6'6" flanker - seems to have no idea what to when the ball comes in high and can look a little ungainly due to his height at times... but he doesn't possess the game or the mass to play a key post, or the pace to go with leading forwards. So he is really a player without a position - where do you play him? And his confidence looks shot, and has looked so for a long time.
Given that he was a seriously talented youngster who played all manner of positions for Glenelg's seconds (ruck and wing are two I can remember), where his running ability, clean hands and touch below his knees really stood out he is a prima facie case of the abject lack of development of kids at Carlton. Why he wasn't assessed early on, a role decided for him, and then groomed for that role absolutely staggers me. Three, albeit injury interrupted seasons, and we still have a kid struggling to contribute in defence. So why hasn't he been tried elsewhere eg on a wing or across half forward?
Darren Harris tried him there last year and he looked like he might be up to VFL standard, which is more than he has shown as a defender, and it was those games that led to him getting one AFL game late last year.