Rd 11: Post Game Excitement: Carlton vs Brisbane

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Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #15 – June 04, 2016, 05:51:45 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2016, 05:25:27 pm

LLLLWWWWLWW looks a hell of a lot better than than LLLLLLLLLLL which is what many were predicting. I only saw the second half and it looked ugly for the most part. JW was the standout, composure plus that kid. Dare I say it but Gorringe is starting to do a few nice things. What a difference Kreuzer makes to our the structure of our side, it is so noticeable. Interesting fact during the commentary we are the 3 oldest side in the comp! Is that correct? Anyway, a wins a win.
Da dada dada!
Go Blues.

9th oldest list in the comp.

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #16 – June 04, 2016, 05:52:47 pm

Quote from: LoveNavy on June 04, 2016, 05:34:04 pm

@GIC

3rd oldest team - have heard that quoted a few times. Not sure if it relates to age (guessing it is) or games played. We do have some older boys with low kms on the clock though.

Important thing is how many you have in the 23-28 range as that's usually where player are in the 60-150 game range.. Average is one thing, standard deviation from the average (statistical measure) is a better guide. We have players like Simmo that skew the average.

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #17 – June 04, 2016, 05:53:21 pm

Weitering gives Schache a bath ??

Graham can't handle the responsibility ??

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #18 – June 04, 2016, 05:55:22 pm

TV commentary 3/4 time was Kruez was physically sick. No mention of head knock, but who knows.
Wish the big fella a speedy recovery. Gee we're so much better with him on the ground.

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #19 – June 04, 2016, 05:56:18 pm

Quote from: blue4life on June 04, 2016, 05:20:24 pm

Another good even team effort which is the most pleasing thing about this season.
Hard to pick the best player, which is odd in a 40 point win, but even harder to pick a bad player.
Gorringe is looking much more comfortable, it's amazing what some senior games can do.
Tough game next week, St Kilda have a good sprinkling of young talent and move the ball very quickly.

I'm going to keep bagging Gorringe as it's making him play well...lol!!!

St.Kilda's a tricky game. We were 5% down at times today and St.Kilda, while not great, is just the side to take advantage of a side not fully switched on.

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #20 – June 04, 2016, 05:57:09 pm

Quote from: laj on June 04, 2016, 05:52:47 pm

Important thing is how many you have in the 23-28 range as that's usually where player are in the 60-150 game range.. Average is one thing, standard deviation from the average (statistical measure) is a better guide. We have players like Simmo that skew the average.

Agree, as far as I'm concerned it really is an irrelevant bit of media discussion.

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #21 – June 04, 2016, 06:03:26 pm

Cor blimey this winning business is getting a bit tiresome, eh what?

Didn't take long for young Weits to get his groove back. Another excellent tackling performance across the board, putting pressure on their forwards - seems to be a barometer for us. Calm heads + belief in yourself + knowledge that your efforts will be appreciated = accurate kicking. Let me be the first to say ... danger game next week!

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #22 – June 04, 2016, 06:18:50 pm

Quote from: LoveNavy on June 04, 2016, 05:34:04 pm

@GIC

3rd oldest team - have heard that quoted a few times. Not sure if it relates to age (guessing it is) or games played. We do have some older boys with low kms on the clock though.

Definitely relating to Age.
Showed a stat where we were a year older on average vs the Lions today.

Just on that, we have quite a few players who are in the team, but not really relied upon.
Played today (age) - Could take their spot (age)
Army (30) - Boekhorst (22)
White (28) - Jaksch (21)
Walker (30) - J. Silvagni (18)
Everitt (27) - C. Curnow (19)
You could replace any of them without too much drama

If we did that, we are a year younger than the lions today.

Add to that...
Jamo (30) likely to retire.
Wood (29) a rookie likely to retire
Rowe (28) is currently in top form, but is also in the process of being replaced by Plowman/Weitering combo.

We also have a few more mature rookies in
Sheehan (25)
Korcheck (24)
Galucci (22)
...who could easily be replaced by younger rookies.

Yes we are old, but our talent lies within the younger brigade.

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #23 – June 04, 2016, 06:22:28 pm

If Casboult gets cited for a late hit I expect the club to send a video of Robbo's even more blatant example from 30 seconds earlier to the MRP.

The umpire that failed to make the correct decision in the first place (pay the late hit) should also be held to account. This is what happens when obvious free kicks aren't paid.

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #24 – June 04, 2016, 06:29:16 pm

Quote from: kruddler on June 04, 2016, 06:18:50 pm

Definitely relating to Age.
Showed a stat where we were a year older on average vs the Lions today.

Just on that, we have quite a few players who are in the team, but not really relied upon.
Played today (age) - Could take their spot (age)
Army (30) - Boekhorst (22)
White (28) - Jaksch (21)
Walker (30) - J. Silvagni (18)
Everitt (27) - C. Curnow (19)
You could replace any of them without too much drama

If we did that, we are a year younger than the lions today.

Add to that...
Jamo (30) likely to retire.
Wood (29) a rookie likely to retire
Rowe (28) is currently in top form, but is also in the process of being replaced by Plowman/Weitering combo.

We also have a few more mature rookies in
Sheehan (25)
Korcheck (24)
Galucci (22)
...who could easily be replaced by younger rookies.

Yes we are old, but our talent lies within the younger brigade.

Yes, changes alot without much change in output.

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #25 – June 04, 2016, 06:38:14 pm

Quote from: DJC on June 04, 2016, 05:51:45 pm

9th oldest list in the comp.

Just looked at AFL Tables, we are 7th oldest in average age

NM     26.9
FR     25.9
HW     25.8
ES     25.7
WC     25.7
GE     25.4
CA     25.2
AD     25
PA     25
SY     24.9
RI     24.8
SK     24.6
CW     24.5
WB     24.4
GW     24.3
GC     24
ME     23.8
BL     23.7

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #26 – June 04, 2016, 06:48:24 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2016, 06:38:14 pm

Just looked at AFL Tables, we are 7th oldest in average age

NM    26.9
FR    25.9
HW    25.8
ES    25.7
WC    25.7
GE    25.4
CA    25.2
AD    25
PA    25
SY    24.9
RI    24.8
SK    24.6
CW    24.5
WB    24.4
GW    24.3
GC    24
ME    23.8
BL    23.7

Average age is meaningless, it's the number you have in the right age bracket with the right number of games behinds. Having a number late 20's, 30 and older as well as a number of good ones very young, teens/early 20s to make an average of 25, is not the same as having most of your list in the 24-28 range making the same average. The latter you have the majority in your prime, the former you have many youngsters ready to come though, with the average skewed by a few older ones.

Like i said, the standard deviation from the average gives a much better picture. That tells you stable your average is as it tells you how much variation you have from the average.

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #27 – June 04, 2016, 06:58:19 pm

Quote from: Professer E on June 04, 2016, 06:22:28 pm

If Casboult gets cited for a late hit I expect the club to send a video of Robbo's even more blatant example from 30 seconds earlier to the MRP.

The umpire that failed to make the correct decision in the first place (pay the late hit) should also be held to account. This is what happens when obvious free kicks aren't paid.

Hope you're right Prof. Common sense says he should be fine - it was late but just a bump mostly side-on. My concern is the AFL highlights of the game show the Levi bump on Robbo 3 or 4 times... and nothing is shown of the Robbo bump on Levi a minute earlier

On recent history (and seeing as it's us) I wouldn't be surprised if the bastards give Levi a week though. He should've just punched Robbo in the nuts instead as that's apparently not an offence any more

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #28 – June 04, 2016, 07:10:27 pm

I don't think he made contact to the head? Should be fine.

Re: Rd 11: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #29 – June 04, 2016, 07:16:11 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2016, 06:38:14 pm

Just looked at AFL Tables, we are 7th oldest in average age

NM    26.9
FR    25.9
HW    25.8
ES    25.7
WC    25.7
GE    25.4
CA    25.2
AD    25
PA    25
SY    24.9
RI    24.8
SK    24.6
CW    24.5
WB    24.4
GW    24.3
GC    24
ME    23.8
BL    23.7

According to Champion Data (pre CAS suspension figures), we're equal 9th.

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Average Age
1. Fremantle – 25 years and 157 days
2. North Melbourne – 25 years and 55 days
3. Hawthorn – 24 years and 307 days
4. Essendon – 24 years and 259 days*
5. Geelong – 24 years and 201 days
6. West Coast – 24 years and 175 days
7. Sydney Swans – 24 years and 124 days
8. Richmond – 24 years and 95 days
9. Port Adelaide – 24 years and 40 days*
=. Carlton – 24 years and 40 days
11. Adelaide – 24 years and 29 days
12. Collingwood – 23 years and 310 days
13. St Kilda – 23 years and 303 days
14. Western Bulldogs – 23 years and 270 days
15. Melbourne – 23 years and 241 days
16. Gold Coast – 23 years and 197 days
17. Greater Western Sydney – 23 years and 99 days
18. Brisbane Lions – 22 years and 343 days

And 12th in terms of games played.

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Average Games Played
1. North Melbourne – 93.9
2. Hawthorn – 86.6
3. Fremantle – 86.3
4. West Coast – 77.9
5. Geelong – 77.3
6. Essendon – 75.5*
7. Port Adelaide – 72.9*
8. Richmond – 71
9. Collingwood – 69.5
10. Sydney Swans – 68.4
11. Adelaide – 62.5
12. Carlton – 60.4
13. St Kilda – 60.2
14. Gold Coast – 59.1
15. Western Bulldogs – 57.7
16. Melbourne – 57.5
17. Greater Western Sydney – 56.9
18. Brisbane Lions – 49

If you look at our age demographics, you will see that we are under represented in players aged 20, 21, 24, 25 and 26. The fact that we only have five 20 and 21 year olds skews our average age. It's not a critical issue.