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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Lapses- Physical or Mental
Starts as mental IMO, then becomes physical and then it's a vicious circle. I don't think fitness is the issue.

Yep. Not rocket surgery. The second half wiltings are right there for all to see... between the lugholes and taxing game-plan. Has been for yonks.

Now on top of that, we're blooding newbies and adapting to a strong game-plan change. Not fitness, not list.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
No doubting Moir's ability, but I wonder if he was dropped for his defensive efforts.

I think Flynn Young will surprise a few.

Thought the same thing. There was one glaring contest where Moir pulled up before a marking contest assuming the opponent would take the mark... he didn't and Moir missed an important opportunity. Slack, very slack.

100% agree re Flynn Young. This kid doesn't waste an opportunity and his disposal skills are sharp.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Perspective. We went into that game with everything to lose, and the Tiggers went into the game with nothing to lose.

We were also copping a pile-on from critics, media and disgruntled, loud fans.

We're also changing game style. And positional changes for some.

We're also blooding many newbies.

We also had a few critical passengers, Chesser, Fogarty and Ollie in particular, last night.

When serious pressure comes, individuals and groups, 'resort to type.' For years this has been on display... third qtr debacles the resultant symptom. That's going to take time, plenty of time, to eradicate. Moving from sh*tting yourself under pressure to inviting and being hungry for pressure is a great task and shift. Between the lugholes. I saw a small step forward in that final qtr. The goal would be to thrive on pressure.

I really don't feel as negative as many. We're a work in progress to change many bad habits and create many great habits. This is a new Carlton and a big paradigm shift. Starting again, in some respects. We'll know so much more in a month or two, so, personally my expectations are shelved ...so as to see, objectively, how we're progressing well down the track.

Our boys needed that win, and got it. Yes, a 'great escape' but a win nonetheless. Any side with their collective tails up is hard to beat.
I was expecting a big rebound,we had the advantage of already playing one game unlike the Tigers who were having their first hit out. A media pile on should have generated a real response but that lasted a quarter and our second half was putrid.
Celebrating that win vs a bunch of kids and  and carrying on like we were premiers was something a bottom team would do.
Robert Walls would have had the boxing  gloves out this week...it's just hard watching a Carlton team struggling to play a decent brand and now acting like a bottom club as well.

Going back to enable moving forward sure is tough to endure as a supporter, especially after years of finals expectations. Seems quite apparent that, at this stage, we do not have finals aspirations.

It seems to me the club has a strategy to move the on-field game into the modern era, after years of falling short for all manner of reasons. The focus is on the 'new' and probably having a good look at the list capable of delivering on this 'new.'

I get that players celebrating enthusiastically an unimpressive win is galling. But understandable to give the group something to feel good about. They need to feel good about themselves, for something, for anything! I'm sure all the players and coaches are not content with the manner of our win for one moment.

After 2 games, we're not contenders. But a lot can change in a long season.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Perspective. We went into that game with everything to lose, and the Tiggers went into the game with nothing to lose.

We were also copping a pile-on from critics, media and disgruntled, loud fans.

We're also changing game style. And positional changes for some.

We're also blooding many newbies.

We also had a few critical passengers, Chesser, Fogarty and Ollie in particular, last night.

When serious pressure comes, individuals and groups, 'resort to type.' For years this has been on display... third qtr debacles the resultant symptom. That's going to take time, plenty of time, to eradicate. Moving from sh*tting yourself under pressure to inviting and being hungry for pressure is a great task and shift. Between the lugholes. I saw a small step forward in that final qtr. The goal would be to thrive on pressure.

I really don't feel as negative as many. We're a work in progress to change many bad habits and create many great habits. This is a new Carlton and a big paradigm shift. Starting again, in some respects. We'll know so much more in a month or two, so, personally my expectations are shelved ...so as to see, objectively, how we're progressing well down the track.

Our boys needed that win, and got it. Yes, a 'great escape' but a win nonetheless. Any side with their collective tails up is hard to beat.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Carltons list changes needed to chase flag 17
I think if we look back to our last great run, the 2nd half of 2023, there was no coaching change, nor was there a list manager change, nor list changes. What changed was more on the mental side - players committed to each other, committed to the club, and getting in the right head space. If we can replicate this experience, it will go a long way to getting back up the ladder, and faster than digging in the same hole over and over again, which has up till now achieved a mixed improvement.

Yep, that was fascinating. That run of great wins came shortly after the players went to Camp Curnow... no coaches.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Award 2026
AFL 2026 Rd 0:   Carlton vs Sydney
The first 2.4 quarters were good, but after that, it wasn't fun. :(

Trends:
[1]   There were 16 voters this round, which is the best we've had in over a year. A sign of things to come? Hopefully, we can keep these numbers up!
 Please do voteplease do vote, win, lose or draw: it is something we appreciate and it makes our statistics a lot more reliable. And our statistics hold up pretty well when it comes to John Nicholls Medal night!

[2]   The rating was a 6.40, which represents a E+, shows how disappointed the voters were. Not the way we wanted to start the season.

[3]   15 players managed a mention this week, which isn't that bad. These days, we often get 16+ for a decent win, but it does show that we were more than competitive for much of the game.

[4]   The average vote this week was 21, which again shows the dissatisfaction with the result and the effort in the 3rd term.

[5]   3 players managed 100 votes or more this week.

[6]   Sam Walsh was BOG this round with 292 votes, followed by Marc Pittonet with 214 and Jagga Smith with 106. Considering the Pitto was actually beaten in the ruck, it sort of tells the tale. Excellent to see Jagga make an impression in his debut.

[7]   Two player managed votes from everyone this week, Walsh and Pittonet. Jagga Smith missed from 1 voter.

[8]   It was our youngsters who made probably the most important contribution this week, as our midfield mainstays generally had a poor game. Jagga came in 3rd, while Harry Dean came in 7th. Cooper Lord also made a contribution.
Our experienced mids, like Cripps and Hewett, didn't have great games, and we missed their drive.

[9]   This was a round where only Sam Walsh really stood out for 4 quarters. Others were good for periods, but no one aspect of our team could be considered clear winners.

Votes:
Walsh, Sam  292
Pittonet, Marc  214
Smith, Jagga  106
Lord, Cooper  90
Weitering, Jacob  56
William, Zac  52
Dean, Harry  38
Ainsworth, Ben  34
Florent, Oliver  22
Hollands, Oliver  22
Hollands, Elijah  10
Kemp, Brodie  10
Hewett, George  8
Cripps, Patrick  4
Young, Lewis  2

Progressive Voting:
Walsh, Sam  292
Pittonet, Marc  214
Smith, Jagga  106
Lord, Cooper  90
Weitering, Jacob  56
William, Zac  52
Dean, Harry  38
Ainsworth, Ben  34
Florent, Oliver  22
Hollands, Oliver  22
Hollands, Elijah  10
Kemp, Brodie  10
Hewett, George  8
Cripps, Patrick  4
Young, Lewis  2


Mucho Apreciados for your work, Capt Crash.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Alistar Clarkson recently came out and said how to tough it is to drag a struggling team off the deck and how bottoming out will be a think of the past:
Interesting comments on StKilda:
"The game is as tough as it has ever been. You only need to go to Essendon, Richmond, West Coast, North Melbourne, a couple of others perhaps to see that. You see what's happened with St Kilda, it's nearly like you've got to do something absolutely out of the box radical to break this mould of getting yourself out of the bottom eight or 10 sides in the competition and give yourself a chance to get into the top part.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1471514/whats-realistic-in-a-rebuild-why-north-melbourne-kangaroos-coach-alastair-clarkson-says-bottoming-out-will-never-happen-again

Yep. Also an indictment on the AFLs free agency strategy.

Plus, v good blokes also see the northern states, particularly QLD, as attractive lifestyle options... even the Pussycats fall into the lifestyle category.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
What can we do for next week?

[1] Plan to take Nankervis out of the picture. He isn't a jumper, so he won't be able to jump all over Pitto and Reidy, but he was the difference last year. We squash him and we go forwards.

[2] Saad goes out with injury. Hopefully, Cowan is fit enough to replace him. Otherwise, Billy Wilson, who has the pace and run we lacked.
As for Cowan, he might be able to do a negating job on one of Richmond's mids. If so, we will be improved by it.

[3] Zac Williams: he had 5 clearances in the first quarter last night, but lacked impact thereafter. I wouldn't have him in defence: small forward with turns in the middle.

[4] Fog goes out. Have Ainsworth, Flynn Young or Byrne do his job. All have more pace and are much faster. All can kick a goal from more than 10 m out, something that Fog doesn't do.

[5] Move McGovern forward or out. As a defender, he is too loose. He has brain fades. Moir to the bench or the VFL.

[6] L. Young: do we need him as a defender against Richmond's forwards? Derkson deserves a chance. It will be interesting to see what forwards Richmond present us with.

Yep. We don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater after one game.

I hope we stick to the very same game plan, only with a few inclusions. Specifically, Haynes for McGovern, Derken for Young (the kid has a footy IQ, Young hasn't), Boyd for the injured Saad and Byrne for Fogary... and use Byrne like the Fluffy Ducks used Papley and Rottingwood used Pendlebury... sparing impact although the reasons for Papley and Pendles having limited exposure for obvious reasons but the principle is the same... bring on an impact player, sparingly.

The two ruck thing also needs a look. Plus blokes like Cowan, Carroll and Flynn Young should also be in contention...
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney


Yes, it is on the players but it is also on the coaches.

IMHO no-one gets off free of accountability for that 2nd half 'effort.'

Vossy has entered his fifth year at the helm and yet we saw another second half debacle... in fact, worse than many that preceded it over the years. Absolutely the same shambolic forward line and delivery into the forward line, even with different personnel!
Its up to the onfield leaders to arrest 3,4,5 goal runs. If the senior leaders cant see it and do anything about it then we may all pull up stumps and call it quits. The ruck and  midfield division (perhaps Walsh aside) got utterly trounced from about the 5 min mark of the third qtr. As I said, I was sitting at ground level behind the fwd pocket where Syd were kicking to in the 3rd and we watched 12 goals sail over our heads, it was embarrassing. Only four from key fwds, the other 8 were all mids/smalls. The usual  suspects, Heeney, McInerney, Warner and Gulden all tore us a new one especially McInerney.

There will be some serious soul searching this week amongst the playing group and a loss to Richmond for the second year in a row will be unforgivable. I'm sure the coaching group will take responsibility but that in my opinion gives the midfield group a big out.
I'll say again that I question the fitness of our most of blokes, after half time they all looked to be sweating profusely compared to the Swans. It's been hot and humid up here since I've been here so I'm sure there was an acclimatisation issue. Our fitness guy is ex-Syd so he should have known the conditions I would have thought. Pretty sure it was at the 3 qtr time break, Syd players who had been on the bench were in the centre square doing run through drills FFS. Interesting to see how we back up this week.

As I mentioned earlier, it's the first game of the season... an important caveat.

However... I get the alarm that our capitulation in the second half has an all too familiar ring to it. It was even worse than in previous years! It's like we have a collective PTSD after half time - fight, flight, freeze or fidget... we choose to freeze. Then we chose to fight, but in the wrong way, starting frustration fights.

The coaching group sets the strategy and attitude for the players to adopt when the opposition change things and/or the intensity. Our midfield group seemed bereft of ideas on what to do in the second half... that's strategy, personnel and above the shoulders. Apparently we can only play our 'brand' when the game is on our terms and the oppo doesn't do anything differently.

We should take a look at the Dishlickers last night, Brisvegas had them on the ropes but they (Dishlickers) never gave up and seemed to know exactly what to do... and they committed to their strategy with a passion, regardless of what the home team threw at them.

Seems the coaching group realize we have serious midfield issues sending Crippa forward for large spells. Our forward line, most of the night, seemed flatter than a witch's... And under pressure, we reverted to long bombs.

If we'd been beaten trying something new, you'd cut us some slack, but we were beaten by what we know... same old, same old.

Question is whether Vossy and the coaching group opt for the usual suspects (players) or be bold at the selection table for the Tiggers game? Can they admit that the midfield mix is far from right? Now is the time to be bold, not mid season.