Blues V Cats - Pre Game - Round 12
Etihad Stadium - 6th June, 7.50pm
Let's get the ball rolling.
Both teams coming off embarrassing losses, one team will know what to do the other has NFI.
Oh the pain. They had to get beaten by 110 pts for the first time in fork knows how many years the week before they play us. Great, forking great. There could be fatalities for us!
Pussy's will have a 200 point turnaround. They'll belt the crap out of us.
Here's a scary question. Do we play Rowe or Jamo on Hawkins?
Hope Walker comes back in defence cause Yarran will go for a week. I can imagine how frustrated he was after THAT mark and the missed shot, but just dumb when it was all over.
We re forked
the board will meet 4 days after it
This is going to be bad real bad. And to anybody who thinks we will win, I want some of whatever your taking. I've seen some people posting in other threads that we will win, and I'm telling u we r no chance. If we can keep the loss under 10 goals that's a win.......
This is going to be bad real bad. And to anybody who thinks we will win, I want some of whatever your taking. I've seen some people posting in other threads that we will win, and I'm telling u we r no chance. If we can keep the loss under 10 goals that's a win.......
I am not looking forward to this. I had negative feelings last week. I guess we do have the chance to show if we have something, if we can respond after last night's embarrassment. But I wouldn't want to be wasting money on it.
We have now lost to Melbourne and Brisbane, when both were at their nadir. How low can we go?
I'm expecting a win, or at the very least a performance that has folk saying "gee they were unlucky"
That's what we do. ;)
That's what's so bloody frustrating. >:(
We're due for a win.
We have no chance of winning.
So...we will win.
Makes no sense....but remember this is Carlton we are talking about.
Traditionally, Geelong cannot keep up with us. We are too quick for them.
Hopefully Yarran doesn't get rubbed out, i doubt he will.
Hopefully we get both Walker and Armfield back....maybe Judd too.
I'd look at losing Carrazzo, Ellard (inj) and McLean.
Load up on speed, and let them chase tail.
Play casboult at FF and tell him to lead straight up the corridor, anybody who stands in the hole in front of him is to be given serious doubts about doing it a second time.
Make geelongs backmen start watching their back and get the ball moving in with speed and all we have to do is convert and we win.
Judd, Curnow, Armfield, Walker all possible ins to strengthen us. Who misses out?
Ellard inj, Robbo? Yaz? Mclean? Carrots i think deserves a couple more games, looked rusty.
If Geelong had beaten the Swans or even had a small loss, I would have given us a chance because that's the sort of team we are.
But coming off a 100 point thrashing, as bad as our blokes should be feeling, and who knows if they feel anything, the cat's players will be feeling much worse.
I go in with no expectations. I'm hoping it turns out like a movie and I'm pleasantly surprised :))
I just can't believe after all the woeful performances , lack of heart, selfishness, rubbish that our boys put out week after week, and people still think we will beat a quality, well drilled team like Geelong . I hate Geelong but they are a 110 point better side than us, do forget the win and just pray we don't get smashed.
I just can't believe after all the woeful performances , lack of heart, selfishness, rubbish that our boys put out week after week, and people still think we will beat a quality, well drilled team like Geelong . I hate Geelong but they are a 110 point better side than us, do forget the win and just pray we don't get smashed.
But we are Carlton...We win when we're not supposed to, and lose (often) when we're expected to win.
It defies logic that we will drop this one. ;)
In all seriousness...it will not surprise me one iota if we win this.
Who are the teams we are beating that we shouldnt?
Bulldogs - 14th
Eagles : 11th
St Kilda - 16th
Adelaide - 9th
Richmond - 5th
Port Adelaide - 7th
Richmond - 5th
Gold Coast - 14th
North Melbourne - 10th
St Kilda - 16th
GWS - 18th
Brisbane - 12th
Port - 7th
Melbourne - 17th
Adelaide - 11th
West Coast - 13th
Richmond and Port are the only teams we beat that we shouldn't over the last 18 months. We seem to only beat bottom 8 sides outside of them.
Who are the teams we are beating that we shouldnt?
Bulldogs - 14th
Eagles : 11th
St Kilda - 16th
Adelaide - 9th
Richmond - 5th
Port Adelaide - 7th
Richmond - 5th
Gold Coast - 14th
North Melbourne - 10th
St Kilda - 16th
GWS - 18th
Brisbane - 12th
Port - 7th
Melbourne - 17th
Adelaide - 11th
West Coast - 13th
Richmond and Port are the only teams we beat that we shouldn't over the last 18 months. We seem to only beat bottom 8 sides outside of them.
Because we are bottom 4 standard (at best). Do rate us better than where we are on the ladder?
Judd, Curnow, Armfield, Walker all possible ins to strengthen us. Who misses out?
Ellard inj, Robbo? Yaz? Mclean? Carrots i think deserves a couple more games, looked rusty.
If Jarred Waite plays, Malthouse is as weak as piss.
I don't care if he kicks 8 and we win, he is useless long term and should have been traded years ago.
Why should we continue to accept mediocrity?
We have never tasted success against Geelong at Eithad in 11 attempts. Nothing will change on Friday night.
Who are the teams we are beating that we shouldnt?
Bulldogs - 14th
Eagles : 11th
St Kilda - 16th
Adelaide - 9th
Richmond - 5th
Port Adelaide - 7th
Richmond - 5th
Gold Coast - 14th
North Melbourne - 10th
St Kilda - 16th
GWS - 18th
Brisbane - 12th
Port - 7th
Melbourne - 17th
Adelaide - 11th
West Coast - 13th
Richmond and Port are the only teams we beat that we shouldn't over the last 18 months. We seem to only beat bottom 8 sides outside of them.
Because we are bottom 4 standard (at best). Do rate us better than where we are on the ladder?
Yep. We are where we are. Next season, we will play the bottom 6 twice.
Geelong by 85
Geelong by 85
Do you sit in a dark room listening to some dark mozart music making gloomy predictions for 24 hours a day?
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Geelong by 85
Do you sit in a dark room listening to some dark mozart music making gloomy predictions for 24 hours a day?
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I try to live life like this
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It's not like he's Robinson Crusoe in his prediction
Sorry, misread your post - I thought you said 185 points.
We're due for a win.
We have no chance of winning.
So...we will win.
Makes no sense....but remember this is Carlton we are talking about.
Traditionally, Geelong cannot keep up with us. We are too quick for them.
Hopefully Yarran doesn't get rubbed out, i doubt he will.
Hopefully we get both Walker and Armfield back....maybe Judd too.
I'd look at losing Carrazzo, Ellard (inj) and McLean.
Load up on speed, and let them chase tail.
Play casboult at FF and tell him to lead straight up the corridor, anybody who stands in the hole in front of him is to be given serious doubts about doing it a second time.
Make geelongs backmen start watching their back and get the ball moving in with speed and all we have to do is convert and we win.
that was 4 years ago - we're a yard or 2 slower these days
Still reckon we are faster than the cats.
Unfortunately, it is not 95 and we are not better than them
Can we forfeit? Makes for a better long weekend.
Cats have more to play for and I would expect them to win by 30 points plus...........its over for us this season and I think Malthouse might have the one last crack this game then revert to the kids and tank for a better draft pick......
This side has traditionally had a poor back end to the season. God help us when finals are out of the picture and there is little to play for.
Can we envoke a mercy rule?
Can we forfeit? Makes for a better long weekend.
I know what a start to the weekend huh? Lucky for the World Cup, that's all I have to say! Pame teliko re Rocky!
We're due for a win.
We have no chance of winning.
So...we will win.
Makes no sense....but remember this is Carlton we are talking about.
Traditionally, Geelong cannot keep up with us. We are too quick for them.
Hopefully Yarran doesn't get rubbed out, i doubt he will.
Hopefully we get both Walker and Armfield back....maybe Judd too.
I'd look at losing Carrazzo, Ellard (inj) and McLean.
Load up on speed, and let them chase tail.
Play casboult at FF and tell him to lead straight up the corridor, anybody who stands in the hole in front of him is to be given serious doubts about doing it a second time.
Make geelongs backmen start watching their back and get the ball moving in with speed and all we have to do is convert and we win.
that was 4 years ago - we're a yard or 2 slower these days
I think we are actually faster now than we have been previously.
Previously we had Jamison, Thornton, Ohailpin, Laidler etc playing in defence.
Now we have Jamison, Rowe...but taller runners like Walker, Everitt along with Buckley, Tuohy, Simpson, Yarran bringing the ball out of defence.
We haven't lose any pace around the middle of the ground.
Up forward doesn't matter as much if the ball is coming in quickly, but the loss of Betts is offset by the introduction of Menzel.
Pressure the cats when they have the ball, let them turn it over and catch them with their pants down rebounded it out of defense. As long as we can hit the scoreboard early, we'll give them a shake.
It would help if Casboult has a breakout game!
@ Krud
Pressure the cats when they have the ball, let them turn it over and catch them with their pants down rebounded it out of defense. As long as we can hit the scoreboard early, we'll give them a shake.
Agree however this is one area we are very poor at
It would help if Casboult has a breakout game!I fear you may be waiting a while.
Wonder what the bookies will set the line at for this game.
We're due for a win.
We have no chance of winning.
So...we will win.
Makes no sense....but remember this is Carlton we are talking about.
Traditionally, Geelong cannot keep up with us. We are too quick for them.
Hopefully Yarran doesn't get rubbed out, i doubt he will.
Hopefully we get both Walker and Armfield back....maybe Judd too.
I'd look at losing Carrazzo, Ellard (inj) and McLean.
Load up on speed, and let them chase tail.
Play casboult at FF and tell him to lead straight up the corridor, anybody who stands in the hole in front of him is to be given serious doubts about doing it a second time.
Make geelongs backmen start watching their back and get the ball moving in with speed and all we have to do is convert and we win.
that was 4 years ago - we're a yard or 2 slower these days
I think we are actually faster now than we have been previously.
Previously we had Jamison, Thornton, Ohailpin, Laidler etc playing in defence.
Now we have Jamison, Rowe...but taller runners like Walker, Everitt along with Buckley, Tuohy, Simpson, Yarran bringing the ball out of defence.
We haven't lose any pace around the middle of the ground.
Up forward doesn't matter as much if the ball is coming in quickly, but the loss of Betts is offset by the introduction of Menzel.
Pressure the cats when they have the ball, let them turn it over and catch them with their pants down rebounded it out of defense. As long as we can hit the scoreboard early, we'll give them a shake.
It would help if Casboult has a breakout game!
:o we are treacle.
Wonder what the bookies will set the line at for this game.
I think they'll be generous. 30 points. I reckon we are on target for a 70 point hammering.
@kruddler
Most of those blokes were already at the club and Everitt is far from express as is Docherty. Garlett, one of our quickest in the past is awfully inconsistent and far from reliable. We were told we need run out of defence so we place Rowe and White back there. :))
@kruddler
Most of those blokes were already at the club and Everitt is far from express as is Docherty. Garlett, one of our quickest in the past is awfully inconsistent and far from reliable. We were told we need run out of defence so we place Rowe and White back there. :))
White is faster than Laidler and Thornton.
Keep in mind this is about ball movement as much as leg speed.
Both Thornton and Laidler looked sideways first, so if we ever had a free player down the field, we would miss him.
Having Kade "As soon as i mark the ball i'm already running around my opponent" Simpson down back along with Chris "meep meep" Yarran doing the same, the ball is in the centre before the opposition have found their opponents.
the ball is in the centre before the opposition have found their opponents.
Am I in the right place? Is this Carlton we're discussing?
the ball is in the centre before the opposition have found their opponents.
Am I in the right place? Is this Carlton we're discussing?
Yep, the same one that has a bloke who can't kick the goal once it gets down there.
Realistically we should be 5-5 at worst, i reckon 7-3 isn't too far out of reach with a few tweaks.
Brisbane - Umps robbed us.
Tigers/Dees - poor kicking cost us the game.
crap happens and so be it.
But if we had a Cameron/Boyd/Patton up forward...instead of Casboult.
Result? We have a better target, straighten us up, allow us to kick more goals and become a more confident side.
As i said initially, if Casboult can have a breakout game, it will go a long way to us beating the cats.
Tigers/Dees - poor kicking cost us the game.
We had two more scoring shots vs the Dees but lost by 4 goals? Richmond had two more scoring shots than us.
Working at the gate at Etihad on Friday night, so won't get to witness the game. Thank god for that. Although I will get to watch the last 5 mins when I muster to the Boundary line before the end of the game. That's as close as I will get.
Tigers/Dees - poor kicking cost us the game.
We had two more scoring shots vs the Dees but lost by 4 goals? Richmond had two more scoring shots than us.
I'm sorry am i writing invisible words again? there was no 'at goal' written there.
FWIW, how many scoring shots didn't score? I'd actually love to see that stat as i wreckon Carlton have had more out on the full shots than anyone else.
Tigers/Dees - poor kicking cost us the game.
We had two more scoring shots vs the Dees but lost by 4 goals? Richmond had two more scoring shots than us.
I'm sorry am i writing invisible words again? there was no 'at goal' written there.
FWIW, how many scoring shots didn't score? I'd actually love to see that stat as i wreckon Carlton have had more out on the full shots than anyone else.
Well bring it up then!
Tigers/Dees - poor kicking cost us the game.
We had two more scoring shots vs the Dees but lost by 4 goals? Richmond had two more scoring shots than us.
I'm sorry am i writing invisible words again? there was no 'at goal' written there.
FWIW, how many scoring shots didn't score? I'd actually love to see that stat as i wreckon Carlton have had more out on the full shots than anyone else.
Well bring it up then!
I don't know of anyone who collects those stats. Hence why i said i would love to see them.
Hmmmm.....surely there would be a shots at goal stat somewhere? Perhaps not though.
I was at the Melbourne game, we couldn't hit the side of a barn that day, it was almost comical.
I reckon we missed 8 set shots within 40 metres and a 45 degree arc of the goals, Gibbs missed two sitters on the run and so did Yarran.
Never give a sucker an even break, and we gifted that game to Melbourne.
In fairness though Adelaide kicked themselves out of the game the week before last, they had plenty of chances to put us away.
If we have a good crack this week and kick straight we could get close, two or three goals, if we play like we did last weekend we'll get pulverised.
I reckon they should play Cachia, he's having a dip in the seconds and he gives a crap.
Well, we can't fix the umpires, but we can fix the kicking at goal. We need to: it is one of the few skills that has not improved since the 1970's.
Not sure on the Walker and Armfield injuries.
I'd like Graham in along with Johnson given a go.
Ellard out injured and I'd drop Robinson.
What about that Reynolds kid with the racking left foot, can they try him or is there no spot for him? Saw some highlights of him, nice mover and kicks the footy beautifly.
Did we even miss Walker's incompetence last week? I'd be looking to trade at year's end whilst he still has some value. Who knows, some club may be dumb enough to give an early second rounder for him. Or we could just move him out of defence........
Did we even miss Walker's incompetence last week? I'd be looking to trade at year's end whilst he still has some value. Who knows, some club may be dumb enough to give an early second rounder for him. Or we could just move him out of defence........
I want Walker back in the forward line.
Reckon we can do that now.
Hopefully Carlton can fire up and 'Do it for Josh'....... ;)
Graham for either Mclean or Carrazzo. permanently, barring injuries
Walker forward as I've been saying for a while. Get him out of the backline!
Wouldn't mind Walker and Blaine Johnson to join Henderson, Casboult and Menzel forward with Yarran in and out.
In - Walker, Graham, Johnson
Out - Ellard (inj), Robinson, Waite/Carrazzo
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-04/no-handouts-mick
Agree 100%
No point just 'playing the kids' for the sake of it even if they re obviously not ready, and hope that exposure to senior level will help them.
You're either rebuilding or not rebuilding Mick, you've got blokes like Graham racking up 30 touches in the twos and he's not ready? Can this guy contradict himself any more?
Could just be the public message but I would rather 10 games into a kid than someone who isn't going to be around for our next flag.
Guess we're back to the old "Carlton don't rebuild" mentality.
Mick is a bit delusional if he thinks we can still make finals...I dont see the point in playing deckchairs with proven duds who have no future.
No one is saying play kids on mass but when you promote the likes of Blaine Johnson to the senior list then he must have shown something to warrant that promotion? Why not play him?...
Mick was quick to teminate the careers of Lockyer, Obree etc but seems less inclined to promote youth at Carlton.....
Yes, play the kids, but they need to be ready to play. No use throwing them into the fire if they are not ready. Could just set them back
If anyone deserves a gig, it has to be Graham. Most consistent player for NB. Needs an extended run in the seniors to show his worth
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You're either rebuilding or not rebuilding Mick, you've got blokes like Graham racking up 30 touches in the twos and he's not ready? Can this guy contradict himself any more?
Racking up thirty touches in the VFL is great, but kicking into your opponent on 1 in every 3 kicks is not going to achieve a lot to get you promoted.
Someone once stated if you go out there with the intention to secure a statistical achievement, you can achieve it and easily but it wont necessarily help your teams fortunes. Nick appears to be getting a lot of ball, turning it over as much, and not hurting the opposition with it.
So what part of that warrants getting a game aside from promoting someone who is furthering their own cause rather than the teams? The contrast would be Buckley. Wasn't dominating VFL, but was having positive involvements frequently and this translated to positive senior football.
We know you don't like Mick, but comments like this just make you sound like you have a barrow to push against him.
Typical Carlton will have the team turning up to this game full of energy and desperation and leave you scratching your head about last week.
You're either rebuilding or not rebuilding Mick, you've got blokes like Graham racking up 30 touches in the twos and he's not ready? Can this guy contradict himself any more?
Racking up thirty touches in the VFL is great, but kicking into your opponent on 1 in every 3 kicks is not going to achieve a lot to get you promoted.
Someone once stated if you go out there with the intention to secure a statistical achievement, you can achieve it and easily but it wont necessarily help your teams fortunes. Nick appears to be getting a lot of ball, turning it over as much, and not hurting the opposition with it.
So what part of that warrants getting a game aside from promoting someone who is furthering their own cause rather than the teams? The contrast would be Buckley. Wasn't dominating VFL, but was having positive involvements frequently and this translated to positive senior football.
We know you don't like Mick, but comments like this just make you sound like you have a barrow to push against him.
So. What you are saying is that Graham does not deserve a game cos he is innefective by foot.
If that is the case then, Casboult, Walker, Carrazzo and every other player who does not hit target on regular basis should not be playing either.
Graham deserves his chance.
You're either rebuilding or not rebuilding Mick, you've got blokes like Graham racking up 30 touches in the twos and he's not ready? Can this guy contradict himself any more?
Racking up thirty touches in the VFL is great, but kicking into your opponent on 1 in every 3 kicks is not going to achieve a lot to get you promoted.
Someone once stated if you go out there with the intention to secure a statistical achievement, you can achieve it and easily but it wont necessarily help your teams fortunes. Nick appears to be getting a lot of ball, turning it over as much, and not hurting the opposition with it.
So what part of that warrants getting a game aside from promoting someone who is furthering their own cause rather than the teams? The contrast would be Buckley. Wasn't dominating VFL, but was having positive involvements frequently and this translated to positive senior football.
Sounds like Andrew Carrazzo circa 2004. How did he turn out?
You're either rebuilding or not rebuilding Mick, you've got blokes like Graham racking up 30 touches in the twos and he's not ready? Can this guy contradict himself any more?
Racking up thirty touches in the VFL is great, but kicking into your opponent on 1 in every 3 kicks is not going to achieve a lot to get you promoted.
Someone once stated if you go out there with the intention to secure a statistical achievement, you can achieve it and easily but it wont necessarily help your teams fortunes. Nick appears to be getting a lot of ball, turning it over as much, and not hurting the opposition with it.
So what part of that warrants getting a game aside from promoting someone who is furthering their own cause rather than the teams? The contrast would be Buckley. Wasn't dominating VFL, but was having positive involvements frequently and this translated to positive senior football.
Sounds like Andrew Carrazzo circa 2004. How did he turn out?
Long bow there. Carrazzo from the get-go went in hard and was an impressive athlete... Nick aint anywhere near even that at this stage. That's not to say he can't or won't improve but there are deficiencies in his game which must be ironed out in the twos. No point promoting blokes just for the sake of it... that really roots your culture and morale. Every bloke should EARN a promotion.
BS, 30 possessions suggests you are ready for first team football no matter what spin you put on it, especially when the senior side is playing like a bottom four outfit. Give the kid a chance to show us what he's got.
I have decided that I want nothing more in this world than to win the next 2 games. I will give up my left nut for them. What are the boys prepared to do?
You're either rebuilding or not rebuilding Mick, you've got blokes like Graham racking up 30 touches in the twos and he's not ready? Can this guy contradict himself any more?
Racking up thirty touches in the VFL is great, but kicking into your opponent on 1 in every 3 kicks is not going to achieve a lot to get you promoted.
Someone once stated if you go out there with the intention to secure a statistical achievement, you can achieve it and easily but it wont necessarily help your teams fortunes. Nick appears to be getting a lot of ball, turning it over as much, and not hurting the opposition with it.
So what part of that warrants getting a game aside from promoting someone who is furthering their own cause rather than the teams? The contrast would be Buckley. Wasn't dominating VFL, but was having positive involvements frequently and this translated to positive senior football.
We know you don't like Mick, but comments like this just make you sound like you have a barrow to push against him.
So. What you are saying is that Graham does not deserve a game cos he is innefective by foot.
If that is the case then, Casboult, Walker, Carrazzo and every other player who does not hit target on regular basis should not be playing either.
Graham deserves his chance.
No that's not what I'm saying.
We need to promote an environment that encourages healthy competition for places in the senior team, by having positive involvements irrespective of how many possessions or tackles or any other statistic says.
@Carrots, the timing of Carrazzo's run in our team was very different. We were short on talent, had suffered our sanctions and it's best we don't use this period in our history to determine anything.
When Graham is ready he will get a game, and likewise someone not performing will be pushed out for it.
We need to promote a learning environment that matches the top sides.
Errr Thry, you've been bleating on about how little talent our list has haven't you? Regardless cop out comments like 'let's not refer to this part of our history' mean absolutely nothing. When you're losing to bottom four teams and you have a guy racking up consistent stats in the twos you give him a go, and I'm not talking about the green vest and 25 minutes football either.
You're either rebuilding or not rebuilding Mick, you've got blokes like Graham racking up 30 touches in the twos and he's not ready? Can this guy contradict himself any more?
Racking up thirty touches in the VFL is great, but kicking into your opponent on 1 in every 3 kicks is not going to achieve a lot to get you promoted.
Someone once stated if you go out there with the intention to secure a statistical achievement, you can achieve it and easily but it wont necessarily help your teams fortunes. Nick appears to be getting a lot of ball, turning it over as much, and not hurting the opposition with it.
So what part of that warrants getting a game aside from promoting someone who is furthering their own cause rather than the teams? The contrast would be Buckley. Wasn't dominating VFL, but was having positive involvements frequently and this translated to positive senior football.
We know you don't like Mick, but comments like this just make you sound like you have a barrow to push against him.
So. What you are saying is that Graham does not deserve a game cos he is innefective by foot.
If that is the case then, Casboult, Walker, Carrazzo and every other player who does not hit target on regular basis should not be playing either.
Graham deserves his chance.
No that's not what I'm saying.
We need to promote an environment that encourages healthy competition for places in the senior team, by having positive involvements irrespective of how many possessions or tackles or any other statistic says.
@Carrots, the timing of Carrazzo's run in our team was very different. We were short on talent, had suffered our sanctions and it's best we don't use this period in our history to determine anything.
When Graham is ready he will get a game, and likewise someone not performing will be pushed out for it.
We need to promote a learning environment that matches the top sides.
I think that Graham deservrs his chance over Mclean and Carrazzo, bth of whom are on limited time at the club
MacLean has been in the better players in our wins this year, there is still a role for him.... but there are also games where he is a serious liability.
Errr Thry, you've been bleating on about how little talent our list has haven't you? Regardless cop out comments like 'let's not refer to this part of our history' mean absolutely nothing. When you're losing to bottom four teams and you have a guy racking up consistent stats in the twos you give him a go, and I'm not talking about the green vest and 25 minutes football either.
No, unfortunately you are misquoting me again Carrots. I don't think we are talentless, just like I never said the list was shizen. The list is deficient, but that doesnt mean its void of talent.
Another racking up consistent stats in the twos is Cachia and from what little I have seen he probably has earned a game prior to Graham simply because he is more effective but that doesnt mean a lot right now.
He may very well start getting opportunities, but it's not exactly to do with what he is doing and more to do with what others are not doing. I would have hoped we would have a more competitive environment regarding spots by now, but unfortunately we just dont have enough competitive beasts at our club.
Players like Cachia cant compete vs the talented mids from other teams, we need to develop our own weapons rather than trying to negate other teams better mids every week.
It reeks of Libba senior, Romero and Dimmatina from the Bulldogs old glory days of tagging on mass........I'd rather play Graham and develop an attacking player...
The only reason to play negative types like Cachia would be to release an attacking player like Dylan Buckley further up the ground....
Errr Thry, you've been bleating on about how little talent our list has haven't you? Regardless cop out comments like 'let's not refer to this part of our history' mean absolutely nothing. When you're losing to bottom four teams and you have a guy racking up consistent stats in the twos you give him a go, and I'm not talking about the green vest and 25 minutes football either.
No, unfortunately you are misquoting me again Carrots. I don't think we are talentless, just like I never said the list was shizen. The list is deficient, but that doesnt mean its void of talent.
Same thing, you say the list is no good hence the reason mick needs to clean it out and that's the reason we are performing poorly. Deficient, not enough talent, whichever way you want to spin it (and lets' face it you have spun bigitme on this one) it all means the same thing, the players aren't good enough, which you keep saying over and over again as an excuse for mick. Don't make me go back and quote you. In fact, just having a look, you have spent the whole year blaming
everything on our list,
everything! You've gone on about Mick turning over the list and us getting nowhere until he does. Yet you now say we shouldn't be giving the youth a go and should stick with what we have. LMFAO!
So if the players are no good there is absolutely room to give Graham a go, you yourself have said it re the players, so stop contradicting yourself and moving the goal posts to forever protect Mick.
Carrots, your speak in absolutes, and this is why your having issues understanding me in this regards.
Being deficient is not the same of being void of talent. Fev was deficient and was one the most talented forwards in the league. The players are not "no good" they are simply not good enough to win a premiership.
As for protecting Mick, Im simply providing my opinion on recent happenings. A coach needs to develope players. Period. This isnt even about protecting a coach, its a concept I agree with. Players earn a game, by working hard and playing to insruction regardless of talent level and what their name is. Case in point, Sam Rowe, Simon White. Clearly less talented as defenders than Laidler and Watson, but both of them getting a game based on application. Its a good method of choosing a team.
Thats my opinion. If you dont like it, skip over it and dont read it as its likely to be opposed to your opinion. Some will agree, some will not. Agree to disagree and move on. Going into attack dog mode achieves nothing. Have you watched any VFL games of ours this season?
@EB1, I think Cachia could have weaponry if required but one of his best assets is getting clearances, whilst stopping an opposition mid. Sure, I dont expect to see him hurting teams with outside run, but thats okay because we struggled with the clearance side of the game on Saturday.
@Thry
All I understand is that you tend to run with whatever sounds good at the time, regardless of contradiction, so when you say one thing and I think, 'hang on, didn't he say the opposite a few weeks back' I'm always going to call you out on it, as I'm sure you would do me, especially when it's in reply to my post.
I have decided that I want nothing more in this world than to win the next 2 games. I will give up my left nut for them. What are the boys prepared to do?
I still need my nuts.
I have decided that I want nothing more in this world than to win the next 2 games. I will give up my left nut for them. What are the boys prepared to do?
I still need my nuts.
I'll go the right nut then if there's no takers!!!
I have decided that I want nothing more in this world than to win the next 2 games. I will give up my left nut for them. What are the boys prepared to do?
I still need my nuts.
I'll go the right nut then if there's no takers!!!
Back in the old days of the Squirrel Gripper many did lose one playing against Hawthorn!
Hi Guys
I heard on SEN that Judd is not playing at all this week .Can anybody else clarify this .Starting to get worried about his fitness .
>:(
Superfooty reporting Judd will DEFINITELY play VFL.
Armfield and Walker in.
Buckley omitted. Ellard out injured.
Probably means Juddy will have a run at PP on Saturday.
Hmmm....Buckley omitted? I thought he wasn't fit last week.
Happy to see Armi back, would have liked SOJ to continue his development in the side..No comments from me relating to the game until after the game concludes. Each time I comment we loose, so that's it from me.
Happy to see Armi back, would have liked SOJ to continue his development in the side..No comments from me relating to the game until after the game concludes. Each time I comment we loose, so that's it from me.
Nothing you can say or do will change the outcome of this game. Geelong will teach Carlton what a good side does to one that is crapola. After a 110pt drubbing from Sydney, there is not a better side for Geelong to come up against. Unfortunately, going by past experience, our boys will probably take weeks (in this case 2 heavy losses) to fire up after the loss to last placed Brisbane.
:-X
Happy to see Armi back, would have liked SOJ to continue his development in the side..No comments from me relating to the game until after the game concludes. Each time I comment we loose, so that's it from me.
Nothing you can say or do will change the outcome of this game. Geelong will teach Carlton what a good side does to one that is crapola. After a 110pt drubbing from Sydney, there is not a better side for Geelong to come up against. Unfortunately, going by past experience, our boys will probably take weeks (in this case 2 heavy losses) to fire up after the loss to last placed Brisbane.
Yep, counting the weeks to GWS fir another inspiring win.......d'oh
Blues 60+ ;)
Judd ....done :(
Brock McLean was on triple m yesterday and was asked about Judd and said he'll be playing VFL. He kinda tried to backtrack a bit when questioned on it, but it seemed like it was already a done deal.
FYI, Judds first game since being drafted was in the WAFL for the eagles. He apparantly had 30 touches and kicked 5 goals. That was the last time he played in the lower league. Everytime since then if he is fit, he plays AFL.
This must be a sure sign to Juddy that his career is coming to an end. His first ever VFL match.
Hmmm....Buckley omitted? I thought he wasn't fit last week.
If he plays VFL, I give up.
Hmmm....Buckley omitted? I thought he wasn't fit last week.
Yeh, refer to the
We Are Dumb thread. The kid was subbed off with a hip injury and couldn't walk, then was taken interstate on a 6 day turn around. We Are Dumb!
Happy to see Armi back, would have liked SOJ to continue his development in the side..No comments from me relating to the game until after the game concludes. Each time I comment we loose, so that's it from me.
Nothing you can say or do will change the outcome of this game. Geelong will teach Carlton what a good side does to one that is crapola. After a 110pt drubbing from Sydney, there is not a better side for Geelong to come up against. Unfortunately, going by past experience, our boys will probably take weeks (in this case 2 heavy losses) to fire up after the loss to last placed Brisbane.
Yep, counting the weeks to GWS fir another inspiring win.......d'oh
No, we'll beat Hawthorn for the first time in donkey's years the week before, we all get big boners, then play GWS and get beaten. That is how this club is likely to function.
Jimbo, we used to be a little like that but the Hawthorns and Geelongs are now the Adelaides and WCE if you get my drift?
@LLT
FFS if the kid is fit surely he's done enough in the past to give him another go? JUst can't get my head around it unless there's a late change which wouldn't be surprising.
OMG can just see the Cats players lining up tonight with steam blowing out of their ears, they'll be desperate for some redemption, this could be a Malthouse Hall of Shame game.
I think we can go okay if we can keep Steve Johnson quiet.
I think we can go okay if we can keep Steve Johnson quiet.
What about Selwood,Hawkins,Bartel,and Kelly .Feeling rather sick about tonight >:(
OMG can just see the Cats players lining up tonight with steam blowing out of their ears, they'll be desperate for some redemption, this could be a Malthouse Hall of Shame game.
While I don't think we ll win, don't see this being a blowout.
We ve been pretty competitive against the Cats the last 3-4 years, with the only blowout being a 42 pt loss in late 2010 when Gazza Jr took the last qtr by the scruff of the neck. Since then there's been losses by 2, 10 and 16 pts, and we could ve won each of those games.
If we re on our game, and as we showed against the Crows, where more then capable of standing up physically, you never know what can happen.
That's fine, I admire your positivity but let's not put the Crows up anywhere near the Cats. One is a premiership contender the other is....well......they are bottom 8 material.
I have never bet against Carlton but will be taking us to lose by more than 5 goals on the line tonight.
I think we can go okay if we can keep Steve Johnson quiet.
Handy bench with Motlop and Stokes to come on and kick a few goals..
Need to make sure we get our tackling right, and stop going in too high.
Wont hold my breath though..
Need to make sure we get our tackling right, and stop going in too high.
Wont hold my breath though..
And our goalkicking has to perfect and finally not give away silly goals in TIME ON >:( like we do EVERY WEEK
Need to make sure we get our tackling right, and stop going in too high.
Wont hold my breath though..
And our goalkicking has to perfect and finally not give away silly goals in TIME ON >:( like we do EVERY WEEK
Ummm, our goaling is deplorable and we give away goals in time on every week, its what we do best. Aint gonna change tonight.
That's fine, I admire your positivity but let's not put the Crows up anywhere near the Cats. One is a premiership contender the other is....well......they are bottom 8 material.
Sorry, you've done this about 4 times now so i have to say something. There are now 18 teams in the comp. So if teams don't make finals, they are not automatically bottom 8....its bottom 10.
That's fine, I admire your positivity but let's not put the Crows up anywhere near the Cats. One is a premiership contender the other is....well......they are bottom 8 material.
Sorry, you've done this about 4 times now so i have to say something. There are now 18 teams in the comp. So if teams don't make finals, they are not automatically bottom 8....its bottom 10.
I think bottom 8 is a good category (haven't seen Adelaide enough to say if they are or not). It means you're not really a finals contender let alone playing finals.
That's fine, I admire your positivity but let's not put the Crows up anywhere near the Cats. One is a premiership contender the other is....well......they are bottom 8 material.
Sorry, you've done this about 4 times now so i have to say something. There are now 18 teams in the comp. So if teams don't make finals, they are not automatically bottom 8....its bottom 10.
I think bottom 8 is a good category (haven't seen Adelaide enough to say if they are or not). It means you're not really a finals contender let alone playing finals.
I knew someone was going to be pedantic. I was going to right in something along the lines of,
...although in this instance what you say is still valid, previously you have said its either top 8 or bottom 8...
...but i couldn't be bothered. Of course you'd come to his aid. :P
Well we don't know what he meant and I have used bottom 8 to mean exactly that so just clearing out any ambiguity for my fans out there :P
I don't get it? Isn't bottom 8 bottom 8? :))
I have a feeling, we're gonna win this!
I have a feeling, we're gonna win this!
White as the sub? :o
Thought the same but sick of complaining. Life goes on.
Probably learn a bit about where we go from here this season.
A capitulation and it will be a long dismal year...
Let's just hope for a bit of competitive effort and intensity.
...and a win ;)