Saturday, May 7
1.45pm
MCG
Well, the Pies got a touch up from a possible flag contender on their own dung heap. Clearly have injury concerns. Eddie and Joffa not happy. Bucks under the pump.
We've won two pretty ugly games of footy against fellow cellar dwellers.
So.........................
Funny things could happen. Wouldn't that annoy Eddie McChins and ghouly crew. :)
We MAY be without Weitering, which would hurt us. He wasn't brilliant today, but he did his job well and his opponent didn't get a touch on him. When he went off, it unbalanced our defence, although Simon White did pretty well later in the game.
Cripps is a VERY high probability of returning, and there will be a number of guys coming back to make selection and interesting time.
Really liked White's game today, shows you what these blokes can do when their match day instruction is more than just;
"Stop him, and stop him, and stop him!"
Today he started to look like a footballer again!
Cripps in for someone, Jaksch in for Weitering.
Happy for Jaksch to play in defence, rather than be crucified trying to be a key forward on our forward line. Happy to leave Casboult and Jones forward, as while going ok aren't a huge part of our future, until we function better taking the ball into the 50. Then we can try our future, McKay and Jaksch, there rather than crucifying them there beforehand.
Outs: Weitering (inj.), Sumner, White
Ins: Jammo, Everitt, Cripps
Jammo to replace Weitering.
Sumner and White didn't do anything wrong, but Everitt will do more than Sumner, and someone has to go out for Cripps if fit.
Outs: Weitering (inj.), Sumner, White
Ins: Jammo, Everitt, Cripps
Jammo to replace Weitering.
Sumner and White didn't do anything wrong, but Everitt will do more than Sumner, and someone has to go out for Cripps if fit.
Big call on Jamison! He had two touches before going off with concussion on Saturday.
I'd be surprised if Cripps is back next week, particularly with our recent history of treating calf injuries.
I reckon there'll be one change; someone will come in for Weitering. I'm not sure who that will be but you'd expect that we'll need another tall defender. If we're prepared to go back to 1982 - according to Baggers :) - Jaksch could get a call up but I'm not sure he's really ready.
No one has mentioned Charlie Curnow as a possible entry.
Gee we could win three in a row and put the final nail into Buckley's coffin. I know there's more than a few Collingwood supporters who would like to see that happen.
Another win would have a marked effect on our culture and set us up for a better year than most of us could've dreamed.
He should be well rested then DJC!
Treloar, Sidebottom and Pendlebury is a fair trio to try and tag..we need three Ed Curnows...
Reckon Adams will be back for them and take Murphy and I would expect Crisp to take Cripps and Greenwood to look after Daisy...
Cloke back?....Cox, Moore and Cloke is some oversized forward line..wonder if Buckley will be brave enough to try and exploit us with more size but its a high risk
strategy...
IN:
C. Curnow - offers a lot more around the ground than Jones and is good for his one goal
Cripps - no brainer
OUT:
Jones - Still doesn't do enough but he does have a go. Just not good enough IMO.
Graham - I think he'll be in and out quite a bit for us. Solid footballer but no game changer. Handy depth.
We still need a lot more class on our list but it's nice to see blokes fighting for spots for a change.
I think Jones did a lot of 1% stuff today, probably didn't stick enough marks as he would like or get enough of the ball but was pretty good using his body. We won't get that from C.Curnow or Jaksch.
Overall today it was a pretty quiet day for KPFs.
No one has mentioned Charlie Curnow as a possible entry.
Or Andy walker
Or Andy walker
1AW would be the only "out" player you could expect to come in cold after a few weeks off. He is ultra-professional on the track and will present in perfect condition for any match he plays.
I think Cripps will be in, not sure Weitering will miss, his shoulder although painful didn't look too badly displaced as he left eh field yesterday. As long as the doctors think it is strong maybe he has a week off max. Personally I wouldn't risk the kid, he can have a week or two off and still play the rest of the season. White did OK down back once Weitering left the ground.
1AW would be the only "out" player you could expect to come in cold after a few weeks off. He is ultra-professional on the track and will present in perfect condition for any match he plays.
I think Cripps will be in, not sure Weitering will miss, his shoulder although painful didn't look too badly displaced as he left eh field yesterday. As long as the doctors think it is strong maybe he has a week off max. Personally I wouldn't risk the kid, he can have a week or two off and still play the rest of the season. White did OK down back once Weitering left the ground.
I would be very surprised if Weitering was allowed to play.
He is 18 and has a big future. They need to look after him
Cripps for Sumner or Armfield, if Weitering misses Jamison is the logical replacement, Jaksch simply hasn't done enough to get a game from all the VFL reports I've read on here.
Nick Graham did enough to hold his spot.
Everitt will surely play after 27 touches in the VFL given that he at least kicks the odd goal and links up well, they'll probably drop White for him although if it were me I'd drop Jones, neither of them are much good so it doesn't make a lot of difference.
Jones has played 2 games for 2 wins, he has to stay.
Jones has played 2 games for 2 wins, he has to stay.
Agree. At this stage both he and Levi don't look like the longer term answers to me but they both should remain in the team for now. Jones may well improve as he gets more used to the demands of senior footy and Levi at least offers a good marking target which we are short of.
I suspect Cripps will come in for Weitering and that will be the only change.
If Weitering stays it's likely to be Tuohy out, but I am not confident we will keep both Jones and Casboult so maybe Jones goes out if Tuohy and Weitering stay. But I liked Jones efforts off the ball, he was better than Casboult in this regard and he was a big reason smaller guys got opportunities around packs. But Casboult has him covered elsewhere around the ground.
Unfortunately for us there were a couple of weak efforts from both Casboult and Jones that would normally attract the wrath of the coach, both had opportunity to push hard back into the pack and create a ground ball for our small forwards, both failed to do it and the CheatsFC defense mopped up.
When will our forwards learn to miss marks or spoil defenders to our advantage?
Kreuzer and Phillips were both better in this regard, they took the front spot and pushed back into packs and created ground ball opportunities but too many times there was nobody to crumb.
Agree. At this stage both he and Levi don't look like the longer term answers to me but they both should remain in the team for now. Jones may well improve as he gets more used to the demands of senior footy and Levi at least offers a good marking target which we are short of.
Yep, Jones and Levi should remain as the tall forwards.
Cripps for Sumner or Graham. If Weits is to be replaced, you'd suspect White would get the gig down back and dread amongst dreads... Everitt comes in.
Hope Daisy continues his form against his former club.
The last time we played them Cripps killed them in the last quarter and Buckley said after the game he put Pendles on him to try and curb his influence. Off memory he got 4 or 5 clear centre clearances in a row in the last term to lead us back. Remember the no look one over his head to Murphy who ran clear! :P
We have improved since then and I reckon they have gone backwards.
They have Swan, Varcoe and Elliott all dangerous player out.
On our side Cripps (fingers crossed he plays), Doc and Daisy all in better form this time around plus the additions of Plowman, Weitering (if fit) Bryne, Wright, Kerridge and Phillips has definitely improved us in many ways. We also better coached - just need smarter kicking into the F50 and we are in this game make no mistake.
Like the Freo game I reckon Bolts and the boys will see this one as very winnable. Lets hope for the same result.
Hope Weiters comes up for this game, but no point risking the lad if he's no t100%.
Don't think we e at that stage of our development where we could actually beat Collingwood, especially an angry Collingwood, but boy, would it be an absolute pisser if we do somehow get the chocolates..
Reckon the Filth fans would just about be in riot mode if that happens, and they'll turn on Bucks quicker then an Essendon player at a truth telling contest lol.
Hope Daisy continues his form against his former club.
The last time we played them Cripps killed them in the last quarter and Buckley said after the game he put Pendles on him to try and curb his influence. Off memory he got 4 or 5 clear centre clearances in a row in the last term to lead us back. Remember the no look one over his head to Murphy who ran clear! :P
We have improved since then and I reckon they have gone backwards.
They have Swan, Varcoe and Elliott all dangerous player out.
On our side Cripps (fingers crossed he plays), Doc and Daisy all in better form this time around plus the additions of Plowman, Weitering (if fit) Bryne, Wright, Kerridge and Phillips has definitely improved us in many ways. We also better coached - just need smarter kicking into the F50 and we are in this game make no mistake.
Like the Freo game I reckon Bolts and the boys will see this one as very winnable. Lets hope for the same result.
Agree - we are in with a very real chance and I will be tipping us.
Would really help our chances for a win if Everritt, Cripps and Walker can all come in.
I just want to beat them - I want us to be the reason why Buckley is sacked.
I want them to hurt and bleed. I want percentage boosters and blood on the floor I want to see head splits and suspensions - I want war.
Regardless of whether Weitering comes good or not, he should be rested for a week and then played in the seconds the week after.
He is too valuable a commodity to risk and he looks a tad tired after his first 5-games.
Letting him freshen up and fully recover from the shoulder injury will do us no harm either.
BB needs to work out a plan to out a grind a win just like we have the last two weeks. The opponent this week is just as "bad" as the last 2 weeks. Have some faith.
Go Blues.
I just want to beat them - I want us to be the reason why Buckley is sacked.
I want them to hurt and bleed. I want percentage boosters and blood on the floor I want to see head splits and suspensions - I want war.
Buckley is not going anywhere.
Buckley is not going anywhere.
If they lose to us, there will be huge pressure on him.
That said, I doubt they will
Regardless of whether Weitering comes good or not, he should be rested for a week and then played in the seconds the week after.
He is too valuable a commodity to risk and he looks a tad tired after his first 5-games.
Letting him freshen up and fully recover from the shoulder injury will do us no harm either.
I agree. We do not want to ruin him.
I wouldn't play Jamo either. His form does not warrant a recall and he spent 3/4 of the last weekend's game off with concussion.
Regardless of whether Weitering comes good or not, he should be rested for a week and then played in the seconds the week after.
He is too valuable a commodity to risk and he looks a tad tired after his first 5-games.
Letting him freshen up and fully recover from the shoulder injury will do us no harm either.
Agree..Pies will probably go big with Cox, Moore and Cloke so no need to knock Weitering about by having those
big frames bashing into that sore shoulder...
Agree..Pies will probably go big with Cox, Moore and Cloke so need to knock Weitering about by having those
big frames bashing into that sore shoulder...
If he is fit I'd back Weiters in to stitch up Moore, but he needs to be fit?
I just want to beat them - I want us to be the reason why Buckley is sacked.
I want them to hurt and bleed. I want percentage boosters and blood on the floor I want to see head splits and suspensions - I want war.
It's hard to disagree with any of that. ;D
I agree. We do not want to ruin him.
I wouldn't play Jamo either. His form does not warrant a recall and he spent 3/4 of the last weekend's game off with concussion.
Agree entirely. On Weitering: at some point, and not too far into the season, the kid will simply need a rest. Having had a shoulder pop out presents a perfect (and prudent) opportunity to take. The reasons for dropping Jamo don't seem to have abated, notwithstanding whether Weiters is out. He has been a great servant, but I think he should be used only on an 'as needs' basis and when he's actually playing well in the 2s. Our defence has held up very well all year (we are 6th for scores against and look generally more composed than we have for years) and that hasn't had much to do with Jamo, sad to say.
No Weitering for this game as he will miss 2-3 weeks. Let's be conservative with his rehab.
Reckon White will go back to cover his loss.
With Weitering and Jamison out you'd think Jaksch will come in and play in defence. Handy to have a swingman if needed.
Charlie Curnow will be out for a while too youd think after being diagnosed with glandular fever.,
It took me the best part of 2 months to get over my bout of it when l was 19.
Remember going to work ....coming home and going to bed. Knocks the stuffing out of you!
Buckley is not going anywhere.
I agree.
Let them keep him around for many more years to come so that when they finally realise that he's crap they'll be so far down the gurgler they'll be an non-issue for decades. ;D
Ditto Hardwick. Loved that they've signed him up for a further two years of below par performances dressed up as potential. :'(
Oh and special thanks to Mr. Hird absolutely loved your work. Unfortunately that mob woke up and now have a bloke at the helm who'll more than turn things around. Rate Woosha.
Rate BOLTS more thou! :D :D :D
Collingwood is vulnerable with two 6-day breaks in a row plus a trip back from Perth this week.
No Weitering for this game as he will miss 2-3 weeks. Let's be conservative with his rehab.
Reckon White will go back to cover his loss.
I'd prefer Jamison or Jaksch down back , happy to have White in the team to troubleshoot but we are going to be undersized with Weitering out vs the Pies if they bring in Cloke,
we wont get away with it vs a team with a big front half trying to cheat with undersized players...
Who will be our elevated rookie for CC??
I'd prefer Jamison or Jaksch down back , happy to have White in the team to troubleshoot but we are going to be undersized with Weitering out vs the Pies if they bring in Cloke,
we wont get away with it vs a team with a big front half trying to cheat with undersized players...
Think oi heard Jammo's going to be out too.
Think oi heard Jammo's going to be out too.
Jaksch would be in if I was picking the team along with Cripps..
re: CC replacement....like to get some games into JGM but he probably hasnt done enough for an upgrade...Bolton might wait and see who wants it more...
Think oi heard Jammo's going to be out too.
After a definite concussion, Jamo is extremely unlikely to play at all this week. If he is going to be any value, then he needs to be fit. He needs to rest.
As for elevating a rookie, I am not sure anyone is quite ready yet.
Time to see what this bloke's got?
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/player-profile/jayden-foster (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/player-profile/jayden-foster)
Key to winning this one IMO largely hinges on Fasolo, Blair and Sidebottom being contained. This type of player hurt us on a regular basis.
Their tall's don't concern me nor does there midfield - I'm hoping our new defence will hold up better this time around and if so right in this one.
Time to see what this bloke's got?
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/player-profile/jayden-foster (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/player-profile/jayden-foster)
Id like to see that but surely jacksh would be ahead of him on sustained form? That said I've noticed comments on foster slightly more favourable in the last two weeks
Id like to see that but surely jacksh would be ahead of him on sustained form? That said I've noticed comments on foster slightly more favourable in the last two weeks
Hard to argue re Jaksch.
I'd prefer Jamison or Jaksch down back , happy to have White in the team to troubleshoot but we are going to be undersized with Weitering out vs the Pies if they bring in Cloke,
we wont get away with it vs a team with a big front half trying to cheat with undersized players...
Agree, either Jaksch or Jammo would have to come in, especially if Cloke plays.
Sort of hoping Buckley does bring Cloke in and they go with the 3 tall guys up forward... hopefully that leaves them less mobile on the back of a trip to Perth.
Defensively we have been good in the past couple of weeks, against poor opposition of course, but we have just looked well structured. Plowman is good at getting 3rd up in contests and spoiling. Rowe has been solid in the contest (less so when he actually gets the ball).
Jamison is not playing this week guys.
He left the field concussed in the first quarter last week in the northern blues.
I'd prefer Jamison or Jaksch down back , happy to have White in the team to troubleshoot but we are going to be undersized with Weitering out vs the Pies if they bring in Cloke,
we wont get away with it vs a team with a big front half trying to cheat with undersized players...
Yep, agree EB1. If they bring in Cloke Jaksch would be the obvious choice... though on what I saw on Saturday you wouldn't bring Cloke in but he's probably not going to get anywhere in the dew-kickers.
Yep, agree EB1. If they bring in Cloke Jaksch would be the obvious choice... though on what I saw on Saturday you wouldn't bring Cloke in but he's probably not going to get anywhere in the dew-kickers.
They be bringing Cloke because of the perceived form that Kreuzer and Phillips are starting to run into, Rowe is doing OK and we have Casboult and Jones as well.
Collingwood have a short problem at the moment, their list lacks balance.
Time for Jack or Jaksch?! ;)
Glass-McCasker ?
Glass-McCasker ?
Didn't play last week along with SOS and Cuningham.
This club is driving me bananas with it's player management.
Didn't play last week along with SOS and Cuningham.
This club is driving me bananas with it's player management.
Well look at it this way.
If you are on the Carlton list, and they are sending you out in the VFL every week fit or injured, it might be a message that your not figuring in the clubs long term plans! The management of the kids is a sign there is a long term plan and at least a perception of potential value, in that regard missing the odd game of VFL is pretty irrelevant.
Well look at it this way.
If you are on the Carlton list, and they are sending you out in the VFL every week fit or injured, it might be a message that your not figuring in the clubs long term plans! The management of the kids is a sign there is a long term plan and at least a perception of potential value, in that regard missing the odd game of VFL is pretty irrelevant.
That wasn't my point LP and I should have made it clearer, it's the player management and information.
What is driving me nuts are the amount of injuries and that there is no information on whats happened.
We don't know if any of those players are injured, omitted, rested. Rumour is that SOS re-injured his hammy and Cuningham has a hip flexor but nobody knows for sure and there was nothing at all on why JGM is out.
Guy's just don't play and we find out later they have problems. Maybe all three have glandular.
I like following the 2nds we just get half a story.
Guy's just don't play and we find out later they have problems. Maybe all three have glandular.
I like following the 2nds we just get half a story.
There may be perfectly reasonable explanations but the secrecy certainly makes the club look defensive.
There may be perfectly reasonable explanations but the secrecy certainly makes the club look defensive.
There is no mystery the weekly injury report says Cunningham has a hip flexor and will miss another week.
Sounds like many of the other are likely to be back this or next week.
There is no mystery the weekly injury report says Cunningham has a hip flexor and will miss another week.
Sounds like many of the other are likely to be back this or next week.
So why didn't JGM, Smith or SOS play?
Cuninghams hip flexor reported this week but he missed last week. No mention in the NBs Thursday selection.
You get half a story.
The injury list is never up to date.
The weekly selections should list who's in and who's out and why. They wait till the week following to say why a guy didn't play this includes the NBs.
Also.
Is Jamison available for selection after a concussion .
What's Billy Gowers mystery problem
Is Sheehan available this week.
We also had a guy called Whiley , remember him.?
Just really poor dissemination of information .
So why didn't JGM, Smith or SOS play?
Cuninghams hip flexor reported this week but he missed last week. No mention in the NBs Thursday selection.
You get half a story.
The injury list is never up to date.
The weekly selections should list who's in and who's out and why. They wait till the week following to say why a guy didn't play this includes the NBs.
Also.
Is Jamison available for selection after a concussion .
What's Billy Gowers mystery problem
Is Sheehan available this week.
We also had a guy called Whiley , remember him.?
Just really poor dissemination of information .
Agree Cimm, its been the MO for years now. It may well be a tactic (not sure what purpose it would serve), but its as frustrating as hell. The only common denominator over all these years is Andy McKay.
Agree Cimm, its been the MO for years now. It may well be a tactic (not sure what purpose it would serve), but its as frustrating as hell. The only common denominator over all these years is Andy McKay.
Yeah , well I get the impression Macca wouldn't tell us anything if it was up to him.
I almost don't care if they just put "soreness" or "management" for guys who don't get selected but there should be some acknowledgement that the guy isn't playing for a reason. If they don't want to tell us what it is or they don't know, I'm fine with that.
Tom Langdon for the Pies ruled out.
Yeah , well I get the impression Macca wouldn't tell us anything if it was up to him.
I almost don't care if they just put "soreness" or "management" for guys who don't get selected but there should be some acknowledgement that the guy isn't playing for a reason. If they don't want to tell us what it is or they don't know, I'm fine with that.
I reckon the injury updates are pretty comprehensive.
The timing is an issue as injuries may not detected/identified until Wednesday or Thursday. That makes it after the fact and McKay is often explaining why players were unavailable rather than who is going to be unavailable. However, McKay was on the front foot with both Weitering's injury and Curnow's glandular fever.
I don't think it's McKay's role to explain what's going on with the Northern Blues but it would be good if their website was a little more informative.
Members are like shareholders...entitled to information about how their company is performing. IMO the club are duty bound to tell members about how their investment ie how players are travelling with injuries etc and they should not receive the same non answers the normal public or media get..
AS DJ said Mckay was forthcoming with info on Weitering and Curnow and he should be the same with any Carlton listed player..
Dare I say this but for the first time in years, I don't find myself saying:
"We've won two in a row by some miracle, we are no chance this week to make it three"
or
"We're due for a loss"
or
"We haven't beaten the Filth in years"
Instead, my optimism grows every week with the confidence that sufficient planning and strategy will occur and give us every chance to win the game. Yes, there will be bumbs and there may be one this week. I would like our injury list to be a little shorter but it is what it is. I just feel different approaching games now.
Go Blues
In addition to Langdon as previously mentioned, other possible outs for the Pies are Travis Varcoe, Taylor Adams and Ben Sinclair. If these outs eventuate, this, combined with the fact that the Pies aren't traveling well at the moment, should give us a good chance of three wins in a row.
In addition to Langdon as previously mentioned, other possible outs for the Pies are Travis Varcoe, Taylor Adams and Ben Sinclair. If these outs eventuate, this, combined with the fact that the Pies aren't traveling well at the moment, should give us a good chance of three wins in a row.
Mate, I'm seriously thinking of tipping us this week.
Mate, I'm seriously thinking of tipping us this week.
I wouldn't go that far, look what they did to Essendon 6 days before we went life and death with them.
I do give us a sneaky chance, but we might need to kick more than 10 goals this week... we have actually kicked the exact same score in the past two weeks (10.12.72)!
I'm hoping our confidence is up and we can play similar to how we did in the Richmond game.
I do give us a sneaky chance, but we might need to kick more than 10 goals this week... we have actually kicked the exact same score in the past two weeks (10.12.72)!
I'm hoping our confidence is up and we can play similar to how we did in the Richmond game.
Im not really concerned with the total. We missed about 4 or 5 reasonably easy set shots.
Kick more accurately and it could easily have been 13 goals 9 or even 15 goals 7, which is about as good a return as the better teams.
I wouldn't go that far, look what they did to Essendon 6 days before we went life and death with them.
Yes, the Pies best is definitely better than our best at the moment. Just hope they play badly, and their outs are as previously described. Some luck with the umps won't go astray either.
A guy on another site made a terrific point about picking teams.
He said pick the team that's playing the most honest football and that is certainly not the Pies ATM.
We on the other hand are about as genuine as you can be right now.
Pies still too good. Pies by 24 points
If Carlton beat Essendon, Essendon beat Melbourne, Melbourne beat GWS, and GWS beat Hawthorn then I don't understand why we aren't premiership favorites?
And that being the case we should pump the Pies...........Lol!!!!!
We shouldn't underestimate the Pies, I don't think we're quite there but who knows.
Luck plays a big part in it too, the game will be won in the midfield as also so if Cripps is good to go we have a good show. I'd pick JK and Der too in the forward line more mobile and both can kick goals.
Who and who?? :o
Who and who?? :o
KJ dna Dre ;D
At this point Cripps is looking a certain starter. Jaksch and Everitt are no certainties yet, even though an extra tall wouldn't be bad f Collingwood include Cloke.
If Carlton beat Essendon, Essendon beat Melbourne, Melbourne beat GWS, and GWS beat Hawthorn then I don't understand why we aren't premiership favorites?
And that being the case we should pump the Pies...........Lol!!!!!
It is a shame we played Gold Coast when we did.
Who and who?? :o
Jaksch and Everitt, sorry for rushing.I think these boys would give us mobility and more flexibility in the forward.
Especially Jaksch needs an opportunity under the Bolton plan, he may well surprise us.
At the moment, Pies are $1.32 and we are $3.40 on Sportsbet.
Might belong in the Navy Andrew thread, but Sam McLure said on 3AW last night that Kerridge and Phillips have pulled up sore and won't play.
Might belong in the Navy Andrew thread, but Sam McLure said on 3AW last night that Kerridge and Phillips have pulled up sore and won't play.
Rnd 6 and sore? WTF? They arent kids. With the calf injuries to various players and now this, I wonder if the conditioning staff got it a little wrong and went too hard on the group (ie compared to last year). Just sayin'
Rnd 6 and sore? WTF? They arent kids. With the calf injuries to various players and now this, I wonder if the conditioning staff got it a little wrong and went too hard on the group (ie compared to last year). Just sayin'
They should be playing for North, they seem to be managing their players alot better than us. ::)
Rnd 6 and sore? WTF? They arent kids. With the calf injuries to various players and now this, I wonder if the conditioning staff got it a little wrong and went too hard on the group (ie compared to last year). Just sayin'
Also completely changed the system and structure of our line up and need to run both ways for 120 minutes.
Trip to Perth, 90% humidity and hard ground took it out of the guys. No problem giving them a spell.
Remember Kerridge played all 3 NAB games as well.
As footballers go Kerridge and Phillips are kids and after the past 2 weeks I would expect them to be sore.
I don't have a problem with "managing" or "resting" players at this stage in our development. We have to take the longer term view and maybe play for just a few morale boosting wins this year. As long as everyone at the club, including the players are on the same page then fine.
Phillips will apparently be out but no-one is real sure about Kerridge yet.
Jaksch in and Casboult into the 2nd ruck position.
Pendlebury and Sidebottom may miss for the Pies
Pendlebury and Sidebottom may miss for the Pies
would be distressing if we didnt beat them without those two.
We are not playing well enough as a collective unit.
As Bolts said we are making the simple look difficult. The team has no synergy at the minute but has potential this year to be really good if it can cut out the simple errors they keep making.
INS
Walker
Cripps
Everitt
OUTS
Weitering (Inj)
Graham (Om)
Phillips (Inj)
Bolts is going for goals. shootout!
We've been playing well enough to win our last two contests.
Who's to think that we can't beat Collingwood who are not playing well and have their own injury problems, not me.
Bolts is going for goals. shootout!
Hope so! I'll be there.
While I'd rather Jaksch play than Everitt, I think we now have a very well balanced side.
Looks like Jim has got his wish and Levi will be 2nd ruck.
Still think the Pies will win - less skill errors, more polish. On the AFL website, their team list still has Toovey, Frost, Ben Reid, Treloar, Sidebottom, Greenwood, Fasolo, Howe.
I also think they will be more desperate to salvage their season.
Will be too strong for us.
Carlton
B: Zach Tuohy, Sam Rowe, Sam Docherty.
HB: Andrew Walker, Lachie Plowman, Dale Thomas.
C: Kade Simpson, Patrick Cripps, Jed Lamb.
HF: Liam Sumner, Levi Casboult, Matthew Wright.
F: Sam Kerridge, Simon White, Liam Jones.
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy.
Int: Ciaran Byrne, Dennis Armfield, Ed Curnow, Andrejs Everitt.
Emg: Dylan Buckley, Nick Graham, Michael Jamison.
In: Andrew Walker, Patrick Cripps, Andrejs Everitt.
Out: Jacob Weitering (Shoulder), Andrew Phillips (Hamstring), Nick Graham (Omitted)
A couple of these decisions make me scratch my head somewhat: I wouldn't have selected Walker just because I don't think he plays well 1st game back. he would do better getting some form and fitness in the VFL. Everitt I would also have still I the VFL, although the case for him is a little easier to make when he got so much of the ball last week.
I am a little surprised that Graham got dropped. He is not in his best form, but he did get votes last week. Not enough to keep Cripps out, I assume.
Phillips is a HUGE out. Kreuzer has a very poor record against Grundy, and the extra height of Cox makes him a difficult target. However, we hid that particular hamstring remarkably well. Nobody had any idea, unless he did it last night at training.
Weitering is another huge out, but one we were expecting.
I am also a little surprised that Jamo was named as emergency when he was concussed last week. I probably would not have played I'm at all this week.
Nichevo. Our Match Committee cearly has different thoughts to mine.
Collingwood
B: Alan Toovey, Jack Frost, Brayden Maynard.
HB: Adam Oxley, Ben Reid, Josh Smith.
C: Tim Broomhead, Adam Treloar, Steele Sidebottom.
HF: Jordan De Goey, Darcy Moore, Levi Greenwood.
F: Alex Fasolo, Mason Cox, Jeremy Howe.
Foll: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Jack Crisp.
Int: Jesse White, Jarryd Blair, James Aish, Ben Crocker.
Emg: Brent Macaffer, Tom Phillips, Travis Cloke.
In: Jesse White, James Aish, Ben Crocker.
Out: Nathan J. Brown (Omitted), Tom Langdon (Ankle), Ben Sinclair (Concussion)
A pity Brown was omitted. Decent forward usually get a few against him. But then, do we have any decent forwards?
Shame Weitering went out but who is his replacement?
INS
Walker
Cripps
Everitt
OUTS
Weitering (Inj)
Graham (Om)
Phillips (Inj)
BB doesnt rate Graham it seems, just a top up player at best. This pleases me no end as I dont rate him either. Good VFL footballer, but thats it. He may come in if Kerro doesnt come up.
Also pleased Jamo didnt come in without warranting it. I really reckon he is done at AFL level, looked exhausted after evert contest.
Walker is an interesting selection. It must be his meticulous preparation, professionalism and dedication that makes him an "auto selection". Good luck son.
BB doesnt rate Graham it seems, just a top up player at best. This pleases me no end as I dont rate him either. Good VFL footballer, but thats it. He may come in if Kerro doesnt come up.
Also pleased Jamo didnt come in without warranting it. I really reckon he is done at AFL level, looked exhausted after evert contest.
Walker is an interesting selection. It must be his meticulous preparation, professionalism and dedication that makes him an "auto selection". Good luck son.
Second all that.
Plowman will have his work cut out for him.
Collingwood's side is very average, this could be a nil all draw.
I'm glad Cloke isn't playing (is an emergency though) as it would be just our louck for him to hit form and kick a bag. We're a bit short-on down back.
I'm glad Cloke isn't playing (is an emergency though) as it would be just our louck for him to hit form and kick a bag. We're a bit short-on down back.
Those days are over I reckon Cookie.
Those days are over I reckon Cookie.
Yeah you're probably right GTC. I still have memories of Watson being thrown to the lions in his debut for us when he was played on Cloke.
Little worried about the height of their forward line. Cox, Moore and White lining up and Rowe is our only real KP defender. Plowman has been coming along nicely but he's giving up a fair bit of height this week. I won't be surprised if Everitt has to move back at some point to help out. Maybe White too.
Yeah you're probably right GTC. I still have memories of Watson being thrown to the lions in his debut for us when he was played on Cloke.
Agree, I cant remember how many spuds we would run back into form every flamin' week. It was guranteed, blokes who did nothing for weeks on end would kick bags and dominate against us. As I have said, good defences are what good teams are built around. Yes we a down a couple of defenders this week but the team defence mentality still exists. Whats the latest buzz stat at the minute? Something like average 100 pts for and 86 pts against and youre a contender.
Agree, I cant remember how many spuds we would run back into form every flamin' week. It was guranteed, blokes who did nothing for weeks on end would kick bags and dominate against us. As I have said, good defences are what good teams are built around. Yes we a down a couple of defenders this week but the team defence mentality still exists. Whats the latest buzz stat at the minute? Something like average 100 pts for and 86 pts against and youre a contender.
Yep. As Barb posted, the Pies will have three talls in their fwd zone that could stretch us so we'll have to work hard to prevent them getting good fwd 50 delivery.
Plowman will have his work cut out for him.
Yep...Cox, Moore and White is a fair bit of size....Simon White will have to play down back but that will be two undersized defenders.
I think we might have trouble with Fasalo too...been in good form and one of those smaller to mid types who is very strong in the air, throw in Blair who always seems to do well vs us and the Pies
have the weapons to hurt us down forward.
Its says something about Weitering when we look undermanned without him...
Dont like horses first up from a spell and I reckon Walker without any footy would be a liability if played down back and I hope he starts forward...
Yep...Cox, Moore and White is a fair bit of size....Simon White will have to play down back but that will be two undersized defenders.
I think we might have trouble with Fasalo too...been in good form and one of those smaller to mid types who is very strong in the air, throw in Blair who always seems to do well vs us and the Pies
have the weapons to hurt us down forward.
Its says something about Weitering when we look undermanned without him...
Dont like horses first up from a spell and I reckon Walker without any footy would be a liability if played down back and I hope he starts forward...
And only Krooz in the ruck as well so first use of the ball out of the centre and at stoppages will be down.
Our chance in this game is to beat them and beat them well in the middle.
Kruezer must return back to form and play a big game as does Murphy Gibbs and Cripps.
Curnow must blanket their best mid prob Pendlebury and dont allow him any time with ball in hand.
Put simply we need to beat them well with F50 entries and if we do we are a big chance.
While there forwards are tall none are seasoned regular goal kickers. I'm always concerned when we play them with Fosolo Blair and sidebottom going forward (thankfully Elliot is out) not their talls but still think game will be won or lost in the middle on this one.
shawny, I'm pretty sure Pendles is out.
Have faith kiddies, this mob is ripe for the taking.
If we win this one I will be partying from 5-10pm and pass out by 10.30
Well we can take heart that Rottingwood are way more inconsistent than Carlton this season, we sort of know what to expect from Carlton, but nobody knows what Rottingwood will deliver!
Lets hope they have an off day and everything finally starts to click for us!
Reckon Phillips grabbed at his hamstring in last week's game.
He'll be a big out, disappointing as his confidence would have been gaining momentum....then this. Hopefully just a one week-er!
Kreuzer to ruck with support from Casboult. I'd give Everitt a go as an around the ground extra mid to run off Grundy at times.
Rowe to take Cox.
Plowman to take Moore.
If J.White plays forward - combo of S.White and Everitt to switch forward and back tomorrow.
Byrne/Docherty to take Fasolo/Blair in which ever order.
Walker to play forward.
Reckon Phillips grabbed at his hamstring in last week's game.
He'll be a big out, disappointing as his confidence would have been gaining momentum....then this. Hopefully just a one week-er!
Kreuzer to ruck with support from Casboult. I'd give Everitt a go as an around the ground extra mid to run off Grundy at times.
Rowe to take Cox.
Plowman to take Moore.
If J.White plays forward - combo of S.White and Everitt to switch forward and back tomorrow.
Byrne/Docherty to take Fasolo/Blair in which ever order.
Walker to play forward.
No offense Pratty but when Casboult rucks it's like giving the opposition rucks a rest.
I'd rather see Rowe or Jones have a crack in the middle at least they force some sort of effort from the opponent. If Jones brought the same physical contest to the ruck that he did with his recent attack on the ball he'd be good value.
If Casboult does ruck I hope like hell he proves me wrong, but small and medium sized defenders deal with Casboult body on body as easily as they deal with Murphy(Actually body on body Murphy might be harder to deal with!) Opposition rucks barely notice Casboult is there! :o
The jumping / running Casboult is a real threat and danger, the wrestling Casboult is a Dandelion!
We have been diabolical against this Mob under Malthouse.... It's time to right the ship.
How the Pies play will give a big indication as to what they are made of and if Bucks is respected.
No offense Pratty but when Casboult rucks it's like giving the opposition rucks a rest.
I'd rather see Rowe or Jones have a crack in the middle at least they force some sort of effort from the opponent. If Jones brought the same physical contest to the ruck that he did with his recent attack on the ball he'd be good value.
If Casboult does ruck I hope like hell he proves me wrong, but small and medium sized defenders deal with Casboult body on body as easily as they deal with Murphy(Actually body on body Murphy might be harder to deal with!) Opposition rucks barely notice Casboult is there! :o
The jumping / running Casboult is a real threat and danger, the wrestling Casboult is a Dandelion!
No offence taken...just stating what might happen.
I'd prefer Phillips in when fit rucking. He's been getting better each week.
Jones needs to be 'in the game' more so rucking is one position i identified last year and start of this for him to play.
If we don't play him down back, having him sit forward only is a waste. he need to become a forward/ruck and with his athletic and jumping ability who knows, he might be handy, so I'd like to find out.
I got laughed at, kinda lol, for stating we should go after Stef Martin when he was at Melbourne as his athleticism and strength would be handy as a good old fashioned follower. he was dumped by Melbourne and was seen as a nothing footballer at AFL level. In no-mans land. Jones is very very similar IMHO.
I got laughed at, kinda lol, for stating we should go after Stef Martin when he was at Melbourne as his athleticism and strength would be handy as a good old fashioned follower. he was dumped by Melbourne and was seen as a nothing footballer at AFL level. In no-mans land. Jones is very very similar IMHO.
I'd agree with that Stef Martin stuff.
Late last season we had Jones, Warnock, Kreuzer, Casboult, Rowe and Watson back when it was floated. So I understand also why people would raise a question.
Ironically, of the blokes we got rid of Watson was probably the best option as a 2nd/Relief ruckmen, despite his pitfalls he was pretty handy in the ruck and could mark almost as well as Casboult. Watson was a real waste for any number of reasons, and he could kick!
We lost Watson but kept Wood, short term thinking in case Kreuzer was a bust perhaps!
Are you talking about Matthew Watson?
Are you talking about Matthew Watson?
Yes I am, Watson spent some time rucking at the NBs and did OK. Never got the opportunity to try it out in the AFL. Maybe the club thought he was too small but he didn't look that small side by side with Meat.
When MM was here he wanted a Leigh Brown type ruck option, Meat was the chosen option probably due to his tackling and marking. But I cannot say for certain he would have had more impact than Watson in a 2nd Ruck / Relief Ruck role.
But if they both got 2 or 3 shots a game from 50m out I know who I'd prefer to have the ball! ;)
PS: I probably agreed with the trades, de-listings and retentions from last year. But if Kreuzer stays on the park they seem to be wrong in hindsight. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, Bolton probably has Wood in 6th or 7th place for a ruck role!
Regardless, McKay should make them all redundant within a couple of seasons.
My worry is that we wil kick the long ball (yes again) into our fwd line causing a turnover and this is coll at there best run spread with handballs and then deliver to cloke on the lead with no pressure cause there fwd line is open with space every where.
My worry is that we wil kick the long ball (yes again) into our fwd line causing a turnover and this is coll at there best run spread with handballs and then deliver to cloke on the lead with no pressure cause there fwd line is open with space every where.
Collingwood seem to be an unbalanced list at the moment, and without Sidebottom they look a hell of a lot slower. Late mail is he will be an out, apparently did about 1/10th the normal training this week.
My worry is that we wil kick the long ball (yes again) into our fwd line causing a turnover and this is coll at there best run spread with handballs and then deliver to cloke on the lead with no pressure cause there fwd line is open with space every where.
More than happy for the Pies midfielders to spend time looking upfield for Cloke, because by the time they realise he's not there, they'll be face down eating grass!!
I am actually feeling confident and we are playing a decent side. Been a long time since I last had that feeling. Imagine we had a few decent forwards!
Its a game that could do wonders for the young players - how good would it be early on to build real confidence in the group and what a better way then to knock over the old enemy when no one expects it.
Back in 70s and 80s we were respected as a team and never considered pushovers and for good reason too. Supporters were arrogant but could back it up. How good would to be to get that feeling back.
It's games like these that really worry me (although I don't have a lot of confidence either way). Pies are down and out, players injured, out of form a couple of their better players as late withdrawals then BANG they end up smashing us. Seen it happen too many times before.
Really hope Kreuzer has a great game. Took a season high 4 marks last week so I'm praying he's getting some confidence back. Kreuzer wins we win.
Also, if Thomas can have another good game that would be a great result.
This is a tough tough test for us. We have struggled to put together a string of wins over the few years and since we have won two in a row, three in a row will be difficult. We look a bit short down back but by the same token the big American is someone we could run off. Collingwood are in the process of falling apart but whether they have unraveled enough for us is what we will find out tomorrow. Walker and Everitt will help our forward line, and if they can play with the same confidence they showed from the 25 min mark of last week's third quarter, we may be able to put a winning score on the board. Of course Cripps will be a big inclusion.
It's games like these that really worry me (although I don't have a lot of confidence either way). Pies are down and out, players injured, out of form a couple of their better players as late withdrawals then BANG they end up smashing us. Seen it happen too many times before.
Really hope Kreuzer has a great game. Took a season high 4 marks last week so I'm praying he's getting some confidence back. Kreuzer wins we win.
Also, if Thomas can have another good game that would be a great result.
Its different now Rock, have faith.
It's games like these that really worry me (although I don't have a lot of confidence either way). Pies are down and out, players injured, out of form a couple of their better players as late withdrawals then BANG they end up smashing us. Seen it happen too many times before.
Really hope Kreuzer has a great game. Took a season high 4 marks last week so I'm praying he's getting some confidence back. Kreuzer wins we win.
Also, if Thomas can have another good game that would be a great result.
Tend to agree...
I reckon it will be one of two ways...
1. We have our best forward lines and we all click offensively and win (we are due to just click)
2. The first 6 weeks hit us hard and Collingwood find their feet and win 10+ goals.
Tend to agree...
I reckon it will be one of two ways...
1. We have our best forward lines and we all click offensively and win (we are due to just click)
2. The first 6 weeks hit us hard and Collingwood find their feet and win 10+ goals.
Is that the glass half full or half empty? :o
...I'd rather see Rowe or Jones have a crack in the middle at least they force some sort of effort from the opponent. If Jones brought the same physical contest to the ruck that he did with his recent attack on the ball he'd be good value...
Agree. Jones would be a good choice to support Kreuz in the ruck.
Jamo a possible late change if Cloke comes in.
Tend to agree...
I reckon it will be one of two ways...
1. We have our best forward lines and we all click offensively and win (we are due to just click)
2. The first 6 weeks hit us hard and Collingwood find their feet and win 10+ goals.
Option 1 thanks ;D
Agree. Jones would be a good choice to support Kreuz in the ruck.
You can bet it'll be Casboult doing that role.
I've always found Kreuzer and Casboult to be our best ruck combo. Has been for a few years. Allows Kreuzer to ruck for longer, which suits him alot, and allows Casboult to run around the ground taking marks, which really suits him. Also means he's not close to goal to be kicking at them...lol.
You can bet it'll be Casboult doing that role.
I've always found Kreuzer and Casboult to be our best ruck combo. Has been for a few years. Allows Kreuzer to ruck for longer, which suits him alot, and allows Casboult to run around the ground taking marks, which really suits him. Also means he's not close to goal to be kicking at them...lol.
For sure - Casboult was awesome in the ruck last year.
You can bet it'll be Casboult doing that role.
I've always found Kreuzer and Casboult to be our best ruck combo. Has been for a few years. Allows Kreuzer to ruck for longer, which suits him alot, and allows Casboult to run around the ground taking marks, which really suits him. Also means he's not close to goal to be kicking at them...lol.
Agreed, the further Cas is away from goal the better, i dont want him any closer than the 50m arc. I'd love to see he and Kreuze click as a ruck duo, and i'd also love to see them do what they should be doing, bashing oppo mids into the sir walter buffalo repeatedly and giving those pr1ck$ a thing or two to think about other than the ball >:D
My take on our structures for today's game
Mids:
Probably as strong as our Midfield group will get all year with Cripps back in. Murph, and Gibbs in reasonable form, Daisy and Ed Curnow playing well. Kerridge and Wright providing solid back up and Army giving us some pace. With Taylor Adams and Swan out our midfields are about even-ish
Gibbs head to head with Pendles (if he plays)
Crisp will go to Cripps to blanket him, Cripps will start peeling onions and boiling a pot of water to serve him as a main course >:D
Sidebottom is an elite runner and probably one of their most damaging players, Curnow is a perfect match
Give Kerridge a job today i reckon. Keep Treloar accountable and make him work for every touch, run off him as much as possible
Forwards:
Wright Casboult Jones
White Walker Lamb with Sumner and Army providing Forward pressure
White, Walker, 8) Jones and Casboult gives us a fair bit of marking power down forward, we have some decent smalls that try their guts out and its only a matter of time before they all click. (here's hoping)
Would love to see our forwards leading into space then doubling back to create space for our next forwards to lead and so on and so forth. Rinse and repeat. Hopefully our mids can lower their collective eyes and start hitting targets in our F50.
Defenders:
Plow Rowe 2E
Doc Byrne Simmo.
Geez we look small down back without the Weit. Given that this has been our focus and strong point so far this season i hope that we can help each other out and play an awesome team defence. I think Jamo may be in for a late call-up. Hope not because his form apparently hasnt warranted it but we look like there's not enough butter spread over too much bread down back. Here's hoping it doesn't get down there enough to worry us too much.
I think we'll either win by less than 2 goals or lose by 5+.
Nonetheless i'll be looking for improvement.
Carn the Baggers!
I reckon there will be some late changes.
Not sure if Pendles will get up.
Not sure if Cripps will get up.
Cloke a possibility to come in.
Jamo a possibility to come in.
Todays match will play out very differently if the above changes occur.
In any event, they are taller than us, if pressure the mids, we can force long bombs into their forward line. This gives us a chance to sag off our defenders and kill the contests, with our smaller backline we can run it out relatively easy.
IF we don't get enough pressure in the midfield, we may not be able to stop the strong forwards on the lead and in the air and it could get ugly.
Either way, we need to focus on actually scoring ourselves! Walker and Everitts inclusions should get us at least 4 goals. Casboult spending more time up the ground should mean someone else gets 'his shots' and should lead to another goal or 2.
We need Daisy to continue his form and kick a couple and we are probably about there.
I would put Ed Curnow on Sidebottom and leave him there.
If Pendles plays put Kerridge on him and work him over, drifting forward to take him out of his comfort zone too.
@ BA and Krudds
Great assessments. I think the main issue that will trouble us is their pace, they are quick by foot and by ball movement when they get up and about. They havent quite got it together this year, I hope that continues a little longer.
In a way, I hope Cloke comes in as I doubt he would trouble us the way he is travelling. They would also be far too tall if he did.
You can bet it'll be Casboult doing that role.
I've always found Kreuzer and Casboult to be our best ruck combo. Has been for a few years. Allows Kreuzer to ruck for longer, which suits him alot, and allows Casboult to run around the ground taking marks, which really suits him. Also means he's not close to goal to be kicking at them...lol.
I would have said Meat to support K but there seems to be a determination in the club to turn him into a key forward...I agree that much of his best work has been in the ruck/around the ground. But I'd still like to see Jones given a go in the ruck, get him into the game.
I would have said Meat to support K but there seems to be a determination in the club to turn him into a key forward...I agree that much of his best work has been in the ruck/around the ground. But I'd still like to see Jones given a go in the ruck, get him into the game.
Jones wouldnt be fit enough to run around in the ruck, let alone him being a weakling in 1 on 1s.
We could rocket up to 12th if we win today. Imagine if we had beaten Richmond like we should've, we'd be pushing finals...lol.
I'm more worried about blokes like Fasolo. Sidebottom and Blair than I am about any of their tall forwards, we've got a nasty habit of goal sneaks kicking bags on us, Tuohy, Byrne and Doc will need to be right on their game.
I can't see a blowout, 3 or 4 goals maximum either way I reckon.
Carlton in from $3.25 to $2.55 over the last few days, so there's a bit of money saying we'll win, for what that's worth.
Jamo in for white who has a corked shin. Not sure how you cork a shin but hey
late change - White out Jamo in.
No change for Pies.
I like us even more now - more coverage where we needed it with Jamo in.
Go blues.
Yep, better defensively now.
We could rocket up to 12th if we win today. Imagine if we had beaten Richmond like we should've, we'd be pushing finals...lol.
I find it funnier that Richmond carried on like they lost in rd 1... it's the bloody best they have played all year... and they couldn't even enjoy it!
late change - White out Jamo in.
No change for Pies.
I like us even more now - more coverage where we needed it with Jamo in.
Go blues.
Really? I'm less confidant now. He was playing too loose and has lost a yard of pace, the fwd he is on will have a feast. I hope to christ Im wrong but....