On Saturday at 1400, the Blues play Box Hill, a team we have struggled to beat in recent times. based on ladder positions alone, the expectation would be for this trend to continue. But I'm not so sure.
However, much will depend on who is fit and who gets held over as Emergency for Sunday's game against St. Kilda.
I might have to stroll across the road to watch this one :)
Are you going Baggers?
I might have to stroll across the road to watch this one :)
Are you going Baggers?
You bet! Only missed last Sunday's NBs game as it was Mrs Baggers birthday and taking her to a wet PP to watch the Magoos would have been grounds for divorce so I was informed!!
You bet! Only missed last Sunday's NBs game as it was Mrs Baggers birthday and taking her to a wet PP to watch the Magoos would have been grounds for divorce so I was informed!!
See you there in time for a pre-game pie :)
If I can get a leave pass I might join you guys.
If I can get a leave pass I might join you guys.
I'd like that Thry - we could have a CSC pie eating contest :)
I'd like that Thry - we could have a CSC pie eating contest :)
That'd be great, 3 Leos! As for a pie eating contest... bring it on!!!
who ate all the pies?
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Enjoy your pies, gentlemen. I would love to be there.
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I love the graphic, but I like to post both teams and the Development League line-ups. However, the VFL site is slow this week. If it comes up soon, I post the other version as well.
I look at this and I know it won't line up anything like this. Not only does it include the bench for Carlton, but it is common practice now to have at least 1 emergency NOT play. So that makes a fair hole in an otherwise strong looking line-up.
It looks like Buckley will be back. Hope he doesn't get reported again. Otherwise, I don't expect it to be that much different from last week's line-up.
I hope they play Buckley in the midfield. He needs to learn that role.
That'd be great, 3 Leos! As for a pie eating contest... bring it on!!!
Unfortunately guys, I'll have to take a rain check. I've got a call up to play in the main group at my soccer club on Saturday.
Perhaps down the track.
Unfortunately guys, I'll have to take a rain check. I've got a call up to play in the main group at my soccer club on Saturday.
Perhaps down the track.
That's a shame Thry, but have a great game!
Thanks guys. Appreciate it. Enjoy the game, and have a pie for me.
Being a depth player at age 33 for a soccer team invariably means that you eb and flow through the season and you take whatever games you can get as you never know when you have played your last one.
Box Hill Hawks vs Northern Blues
Saturday 11th June, 2016
Box Hill City Oval at 2.00pm
Box Hill Hawks
B: 42. T Miles 30. K Brand 1. D Mirra
HB: 23. J Walker 34. K Heatherley 65. J Lewis
C: 70. D Willsmore 63. J O'Rourke 61. B Whitecross
HF: 37. B Hardwick 12. C Jones 31. Z Webster
F: 66. L Langford 9. J Summers 7. S Iles
R: 19. C O'Sullivan 5. M Warren 36. K Lovell
Int: 13. N Evans 2. M Lock 24. S Switkowski 6. J Soccio 21. J Fisher 15. T Gordon 20. P Lawlor 11. L Kidd
23P: 48. A Brolic
Northern Blues
B: 59. C Byrne 43. S White 38. B Gowers
HB: 47. C Sheehan 48. K Jaksch 26. M Dick
C: 65. D Viojo 42. M Whiley 76. J Tutt
HF: 23. H Kerbatieh 18. D Gorringe 10. T Totevski
F: 2. J Silvagni 14. L Jones 49. D Armfield
R: 15. A Phillips 32. N Graham 1. T Wilson
Int: 36. C Wood 50. B Jordan 7. D Buckley 4. S Russell ]31. J Foster 34. J Glass-Mccasker 67. C Smith D Stevens 22. D Aujla 12. Z Ballard 80. M Korcheck 37. T Jones
23P: 24. T Roos
Box Hill Hawks vs Northern Blues
Saturday 11th June, 2016
Box Hill City Oval at 11.00 am
Box Hill Hawks
B: 43. S Horner 15. T Gordon 21. J Fisher
HB: 8. A Bond 49. J Firns 16. L Williams
C: 2. M Lock 13. N Evans 6. J Soccio
HF: 20. P Lawlor 46. X Dimasi 51. L Cox
F: 50. L Cavanagh 38. L Surman 11. L Kidd
R: 44. J Nolan 29. S Gibson 24. S Switkowski
Int: 58. L Jeffs 14. M Traynor 52. B Mcintyre 28. J Sandric 33. D Hehir 60. R Sheridan-Ferrie 25. R Monkhorst 47. B Kilpatrick 84. N Lane 83. J Godwin 22. M Burt 55. J Kidd 3. W Murphy
Northern Blues
B: 31. J Foster 50. B Jordan 35. K Declase
HB: 54. C McCabe 34. J Glass-Mccasker 6. G Strachan
C: 22. D Aujla 25. A Brown 78. M Walson
HF: 45. D Stevens 30. S Bolger 9. J Corboy
F: 80. M Korcheck 29. B Casley 67. C Smith
R: 73. A Aurrichio 37. T Jones 21. C Barrett
Int: 82. D Iermano 70. S Peet 74. B Malual 52. J Booth 84. M Vesnaver 53. H Payne 55. W Krithararis 66. M Dawson 71. J Caruana 77. L Hickey 64. L Jacques 41. P Cripps
Thanks guys. Appreciate it. Enjoy the game, and have a pie for me.
Being a depth player at age 33 for a soccer team invariably means that you eb and flow through the season and you take whatever games you can get as you never know when you have played your last one.
Sorry you can't make it, 3 Leos. Have a great game and we sure will have a pie or 5 for you.
Cheers.
Thanks guys. Appreciate it. Enjoy the game, and have a pie for me.
Being a depth player at age 33 for a soccer team invariably means that you eb and flow through the season and you take whatever games you can get as you never know when you have played your last one.
Are you a depth player or a list clogger Thry? ;)
You will be retired for a very long time so make the most of it while you can. Playing every game as if it is your last might just keep the career going longer than you think.
Are you a depth player or a list clogger Thry? ;)
You will be retired for a very long time so make the most of it while you can. Playing every game as if it is your last might just keep the career going longer than you think.
Ahh that question is best left answered by my teamates I think.
As with any team, the difference between a list clogger and a depth player is simply perspective.
;D
So true about being retired. Ive often stated ill go as long as my body will let me, but this year is looking more and more like my last.
Near half time in the Development game and the Blues are a goal in front.
NBs 42
BH 34
3 goals to Bolger.
Hope you guys are enjoying the game!
Near half time in the Development game and the Blues are a goal in front.
NBs 42
BH 34
3 goals to Bolger.
Hope you guys are enjoying the game!
Not there yet! Got some tasks to do around the house before my leave pass kicks in :)
Not there yet! Got some tasks to do around the house before my leave pass kicks in :)
Fair enough. I've got to run and do the shopping with the kids in a minute, so you will know more than I will. :)
Anyway, it is now half time and the Blues are ahead against one of their real bogie teams.
Northern 7 - 6 - 48
Box Hill 5 - 4 - 34
A late goal to Casley and the Blues headed into half time with a wee bit of momentum.
GOALS: Bolger 3, Corboy, Casley, Payne, Stevens
DISPOSALS: Stevens 15, Barrett 13, Strachan 13, Krithararis 11, Jordan 10.
That Strachan is there suggests we have a reasonable line-up for the main game.
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2 quick goals to the NBs. Korchek and Aurrichio are the ruck pair and they are making a real difference.
Nice win in the development league by the baby blues
https://twitter.com/nbluesfc/status/741471253207224320
Listening to the radio commentary on 94.1 FM. It's a disgrace. I know they're amateurs, but seriously I don't want to hear your in joke anecdote.
Anywho were down by 5 points halfway through the second.
Billy Gowers having a huge one. Seems to have racked up about 40 possessions and its only the second quarter.
Jones lining up for goal. Misses it. 33 to 29.
AFL Victoria Development League
Box Hill Hawks 3.4 5.4 8.6 10.9 (69)
Northern Blues 2.3 7.6 9.13 11.16 (82)
GOALS:
Box Hill Hawks: Kidd 3 Dimasi Mcintyre Switkowski Godwin Gibson Cavanagh Jeffs
Northern Blues: Bolger 3 Payne Casley Hickey Corboy Strachan Jacques Brown Stevens
BEST:
Box Hill Hawks: Switkowski Gibson Fisher Evans Kidd Firns
Northern Blues: Jordan Declase Iermano Korcheck Strachan Bolger
DISPOSALS: Strachan 30, Stevens 26, Declase 25, Cripps 20, Barrett 18, Brown 16.
We've had all the play. Phillips killing it in the ruck. But we can score. Hard to tell though because the commentary is rank. One moment it's in the Hawks forward line and suddenly it's in our forward line. Awful.
At quarter time:
GOALS: Buckley, Kerbatieh.
DISPOSALS: Jones 10, Gowers 10, Wilson 9, Dick 7, Buckley 6, Ballard 6.
That is probably T Jones, not L Jones.
Must be pretty heavy out there.
Half time and not a lot of scoring at Box Hill.
Northern Blues 4 - 5 - 29
Box Hill 5 - 3 - 33
I guess we can say that bad kicking is bad football. From the twitter feed it suggests that we are not playing badly, just not scoring enough.
I have no idea how Silvagni is going, but he isn't getting huge amounts of ball.
GOALS: Buckley 2, Kerbatieh, Jaksch.
DISPOSALS; Gowers 19, T. Jones 16, Whiley 13, Sheehan 13, Wilson 13, Dick 12.
Nice to see Sheehan getting the ball more, and Dick must be getting close to fitness again.
Gowers is an interesting sign.
Gowers is the first half standout. Phillips is good, Jones has taken a couple of marks but didn't convert, Sheehan is doing well, McCasker is showing a bit but SOJ can't get into the game.
Oh, and Baggers is leading the pie contest :)
Thanks for the score updates and comments Crash and Mondy, much appreciated.
Please keep them coming.
Gowers is the first half standout. Phillips is good, Jones has taken a couple of marks but didn't convert, Sheehan is doing well, McCasker is showing a bit but SOJ can't get into the game.
Oh, and Baggers is leading the pie contest :)
Natural talent or hard work? :)
Jones goals. We're up by 2.
If the rubbish commentary is anything to go by we're all over them.
Silvagni goals. We're now up by 8.
Silvagni getting more of the ball. Gowers BOG.
Box Hill miss. 34 to 42 in favour of the NBs.
Box Hill kick an easy goal. 40 to 42.
Jones rolls through a behind. Then BH kick in and it goes to us. No idea who has it. Phillips... I think. Anyway kicks the goal. 40 to 49.
Jaksch takes a big mark. Goals. 40 to 55.
Phillips marks. Big one in a pack. Lines up and misses. 40 to 56.
We've had 90% of the ball. Should be up by 10 goals.
Silvagni runs into an open goal. His second. We're up by 22.
We've kicked 5 goals in the quarter but has about 20 inside 50s. It's barely left our forward line.
BH kick their second for the quarter 46 to 62.
Jaksch marks and goals. His third. Back to 22.
Will this week quarter end.., anyway 46 to 68.
3QT - 46 to 69.
Great service Mondy.
This will be a huge boost for the club and a big upset if they can keep this up and knock them off.
Fourth quarter underway. Billy Gowers still everywhere.
No idea where the ball is.
Oh, rushed point to BH 47 to 69
Toteskvi misses. 47 to 70.
Another behind. Possibly Silvagni but would know. 47 to 71.
Jones kicks his second. 48 to 77.
No scores but we've got this won. Halfway through the last.
Thanks for the scores Mondy
BH goals 54 to 77. Don't worry. It's done.
BH kick a second. 60 to 77. 16 minutes in. Like I said we've got this won. I think.
Silvagni goals. Major BH mistake. 60 to 83.
BH getting more of the ball. A behind to them 61 to 83. All too late though.
Jones taken maybe 7 or 8 marks. Has been the hit up lead.
Phillips must have gotten every hit out.
Having said that BH goals 67 to 83. 21 minutes in.
Free kick to Ballard. 20 metres out. Kicks a.... goal.
67 to 89.
Silvagni kicks goal of the day. Four for the second half. 67 to 95.
Big win now. 6 goals up. 101 to 67
Goal to Jaksch. His fourth. 67 to 101.
Commentary is somehow worse.
67 to 102.
Been a great service Mondy, hope everyone has appreciated it. ;D ;D ;D
Gowers to Roos. Did he kick a goal? Is he lining up? Who knows... Oh he missed 67 to 103
Siren goes. We win by 6 goals.
Jaksch another 4, as to SOSOS. Kicking goals regularly. He and Silvagni are surely due.
Rather select a key forward kicking goals than a 2nd ruckman.
This has to be the upset of the year in the VFL? Can't remember beating BH in recent times.
I think we are seeing the benefits of players returning from injury. We have been winning ugly, now we get some strength back!
Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Box Hill Hawks 4.2 5.3 7.4 10.7 (67)
Northern Blues 2.2 4.5 10.9 15.13 (103)
GOALS:
Box Hill Hawks: Willsmore 3 Webster 2 Miles 2 Iles Jones Brolic
Northern Blues: Silvagni 4 Jaksch 4 Buckley 2 Jones 2 Phillips Ballard Kerbatieh
BEST:
Box Hill Hawks: Lovell Iles O'Rourke Willsmore Kidd Brand
Northern Blues: Phillips Jones Whiley Gowers Dick Tutt
DISPOSALS: T. Jones 31, Whiley 28, Gowers 27, Tutt 27, Dick 24, Wilson 22.
Phillips definitely wants back in the seniors. BAD!
Silvagni gets 4 goals when he struggled to get a touch in the first half. That is very positive, as it shows he is running out games better.
Jaksch getting 4 suggests he is going to get a game before Jones does again: the mids appear to be favouring Jaksch and Silvagni as targets.
Gowers is now showing why we kept him and discarded others. If he can keep the numbers up he will be around for more than this year.
Jaksch another 4, as to SOSOS. Kicking goals regularly. He and Silvagni are surely due.
Rather select a key forward kicking goals than a 2nd ruckman.
x2...
x2...
Don't we need to see how we go v. The Saints before we can make that call though EB?
I'm back home and my feet are slowly thawing out. It was a very pleasant day watching the footy with Baggers and there was lots to like about the way the NBs went about the game. It was like watching the firsts but with less talent and polish.
It was great to see lots of senior players, coaches and list manager there and great to see the coaches taking the opportunity to continue the footy education of blokes like Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow. Our club is really heading in the right direction.
Unfortunately for those who want to see SOJ and Jaksch in the firsts, they both seem a fair way off to me.
SOJ really made an impression in the second half after barely getting a touch in the first. However, he plays in bursts and has to spend a fair bit of time on the bench. SOJ moves like SOS and that could give the impression that he is out of gas but I think he needs to build his tank.
Jaksch had a good second half and played in defence in the last quarter when the Hawks got a bit of a run on. He took some nice marks but struggles when the ball hits the ground. I'm not sure that he can do much about his lack of flexibility (as pointed out by RiverRat) but he really needs to put in four quarters.
Phillips was my BoG. He won virtually every hitout except those Wood got (and Buckley got one too), marked around the ground, used the ball well and was a forward target when Jaksch was off.
Gowers was a little quieter in the second half but still had a very good game. He marked well, backed his judgement, won the ball and used it well. Glass-McCasker was quieter in the second half too. He seemed to injure his knee but played out the game after a couple of goes at strapping it. Sheehan was pretty good and seems to be getting back into form. Foster did some good things but needs to do more as does Viojo-Rainbow.
Liam Jones seems to misjudge the flight of the ball and is about half a metre away from the ball when attempting marks. He still took many very good marks but probably should have had at least 20. He presented well, crashed packs and kicked a lot straighter in the second half. I never thought I would say this but Jones is well ahead of Jaksch.
Buckley was serviceable and did some nice things, but not enough for promotion. Whiley was pretty good and shows leadership. Smith has great intentions but his execution lets him down and he tends to drop his head rather than backing up. Dick was OK. Tutt was quiet in the first half but picked up as the game went on. While he wasn't outstanding, he did play with more confidence and his decision making was good.
At one stage Baggers and I noticed Clarko standing 10 metres or so from us. A little later Ian Aitken was standing in front of us. Clarko had moved on :-\
I'm back home and my feet are slowly thawing out. It was a very pleasant day watching the footy with Baggers and there was lots to like about the way the NBs went about the game. It was like watching the firsts but with less talent and polish.
It was great to see lots of senior players, coaches and list manager there and great to see the coaches taking the opportunity to continue the footy education of blokes like Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow. Our club is really heading in the right direction.
Unfortunately for those who want to see SOJ and Jaksch in the firsts, they both seem a fair way off to me.
SOJ really made an impression in the second half after barely getting a touch in the first. However, he plays in bursts and has to spend a fair bit of time on the bench. SOJ moves like SOS and that could give the impression that he is out of gas but I think he needs to build his tank.
Jaksch had a good second half and played in defence in the last quarter when the Hawks got a bit of a run on. He took some nice marks but struggles when the ball hits the ground. I'm not sure that he can do much about his lack of flexibility (as pointed out by RiverRat) but he really needs to put in four quarters.
Phillips was my BoG. He won virtually every hitout except those Wood got (and Buckley got one too), marked around the ground, used the ball well and was a forward target when Jaksch was off.
Gowers was a little quieter in the second half but still had a very good game. He marked well, backed his judgement, won the ball and used it well. Glass-McCasker was quieter in the second half too. He seemed to injure his knee but played out the game after a couple of goes at strapping it. Sheehan was pretty good and seems to be getting back into form. Foster did some good things but needs to do more as does Viojo-Rainbow.
Liam Jones seems to misjudge the flight of the ball and is about half a metre away from the ball when attempting marks. He still took many very good marks but probably should have had at least 20. He presented well, crashed packs and kicked a lot straighter in the second half. I never thought I would say this but Jones is well ahead of Jaksch.
Buckley was serviceable and did some nice things, but not enough for promotion. Whiley was pretty good and shows leadership. Smith has great intentions but his execution lets him down and he tends to drop his head rather than backing up. Dick was OK. Tutt was quiet in the first half but picked up as the game went on. While he wasn't outstanding, he did play with more confidence and his decision making was good.
At one stage Baggers and I noticed Clarko standing 10 metres or so from us. A little later Ian Aitken was standing in front of us. Clarko had moved on :-\
Just on Jaksch. He keeps kicking decent goals and then often goes into defence and plays well. We look too much at what players can't do rather than what they can do, and much of what he is doing is obviously very good. He continues to perform, kick goals, so, to me, he comes in.
Great to catch up with DJC at the footy and not much I could add to his ripper summary. Yes we did well in the food department polishing off 3 pies, a hot dog and sausage!
Totally agree re SOJ and Kaksch and that Jones has past Jaksch,
Yep, Phillips was BOG. And when he rested up forward he took some good grabs. Putting his hand up for a recall.
Billy Gowers continues to improve and in the first half, especially, when the game was tight he owned the backline and was highly effective. Terrific to see his improvement.
Phillips, Gowers and Jones certainly put their cases forward for a promotion.
Great to see Gus improving and getting closer to how we know he can play.
To balance things a little Box Hill sure did make some horrible mistakes and we sure capitalised on them, twice in front of goal. So, so good to see the seconds emulating the seniors in the way they play.
I reckon Clarko bolted when he saw Ian Aitken!!!
Just on Jaksch. He keeps kicking decent goals and then often goes into defence and plays well. We look too much at what players can't do rather than what they can do, and much of what he is doing is obviously very good. He continues to perform, kick goals, so, to me, he comes in.
Jaksch was missing for long periods and Phillips had to go forward to provide a target.
His third quarter was good and he stopped one forward thrust in the last quarter. He also took a nice mark on the defensive side of the centre square.
Phillips was more effective when he played as a key forward and Jones was far and away the best key forward on the ground.
Some supporters look too much at highlights or goals kicked rather than four quarter efforts. To me, Jaksch comes in when he puts in quality four quarter efforts. The same applies to SOJ.
@ Mondy.
Fabulous posting. Much appreciated in what sounds like the upset of the season. Read that we haventbeaten BH since 2013 :)) :)) :))
Cheers
Jaksch was missing for long periods and Phillips had to go forward to provide a target.
His third quarter was good and he stopped one forward thrust in the last quarter. He also took a nice mark on the defensive side of the centre square.
Phillips was more effective when he played as a key forward and Jones was far and away the best key forward on the ground.
Some supporters look too much at highlights or goals kicked rather than four quarter efforts. To me, Jaksch comes in when he puts in quality four quarter efforts. The same applies to SOJ.
Even so, we get very picky with Jaksch. He's had games of 3,3, 4 and 4, then other games has played good footy in defence. That's more than just highlights. If he's doing that on a regular basis then I'd prefer him in the seniors. I saw the game here against Geelong, where he kicked 3 and took some outstanding contested marks, I couldn't work out why he isn't in the side then. Much prefer him in the side playing as a key forward rather than picking a second ruckman, which tends upset Kreuzer's game
Even so, we get very picky with Jaksch. He's had games of 3,3, 4 and 4, then other games has played good footy in defence. That's more than just highlights. If he's doing that on a regular basis then I'd prefer him in the seniors. I saw the game here against Geelong, where he kicked 3 and took some outstanding contested marks, I couldn't work out why he isn't in the side then. Much prefer him in the side playing as a key forward rather than picking a second ruckman, which tends upset Kreuzer's game
I have high hopes for Jaksch, and I think that the club has too. Key position players who can play at both ends are worth their weight in gold. While Jaksch ended up with four goals, they weren't the result of consistent effort. Jones was a far more threatening and consistent key forward and Jaksch was one of the beneficiaries of Jones' work. Phillips was also better value when he played as a key forward.
Well done to Jaksch hitting the scoreboard again as lead up forward. Has more to offer than Everitt in the long term due to his flexibility so we need to give him a string of games.
Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Box Hill Hawks 4.2 5.3 7.4 10.7 (67)
Northern Blues 2.2 4.5 10.9 15.13 (103)
GOALS:
Box Hill Hawks: Willsmore 3 Webster 2 Miles 2 Iles Jones Brolic
Northern Blues: Silvagni 4 Jaksch 4 Buckley 2 Jones 2 Phillips Ballard Kerbatieh
BEST:
Box Hill Hawks: Lovell Iles O'Rourke Willsmore Kidd Brand
Northern Blues: Phillips Jones Whiley Gowers Dick Tutt Baggers (pie eating)
DISPOSALS: T. Jones 31, Whiley 28, Gowers 27, Tutt 27, Dick 24, Wilson 22.
PIES: Baggers ???
I have high hopes for Jaksch, and I think that the club has too. Key position players who can play at both ends are worth their weight in gold. While Jaksch ended up with four goals, they weren't the result of consistent effort. Jones was a far more threatening and consistent key forward and Jaksch was one of the beneficiaries of Jones' work. Phillips was also better value when he played as a key forward.
With the goals he's kicking and some of his games in defence he'll be some sort of star when he is consistent given what he's doing at present.
Well done to Jaksch hitting the scoreboard again as lead up forward. Has more to offer than Everitt in the long term due to his flexibility so we need to give him a string of games.
Jaksch wasn't really playing as a lead up forward and his lack of consistent effort should mean that he doesn't get one game, let alone a string of games.
I think you must mean versatility because his lack of flexibility, particularly when the ball hits the ground, is one of the issues that holds him back.
I don't think it's realistic to compare Everitt and Jaksch as they are very different players. Everitt can play as a key forward, lead up forward, defender or run with player. Jaksch might just shade him in tackle count but Everitt is ahead in effort - and many folk think that Everitt's effort isn't good enough.
Jaksch really needs to put in an honest four quarter effort, the number of goals he kicks is largely irrelevant.
Jones taken maybe 7 or 8 marks. Has been the hit up lead.
Excellent!
Been a great service Mondy, hope everyone has appreciated it. ;D ;D ;D
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Great to catch up with DJC at the footy and not much I could add to his ripper summary. Yes we did well in the food department polishing off 3 pies, a hot dog and sausage!
Totally agree re SOJ and Kaksch and that Jones has past Jaksch,
Yep, Phillips was BOG. And when he rested up forward he took some good grabs. Putting his hand up for a recall.
Billy Gowers continues to improve and in the first half, especially, when the game was tight he owned the backline and was highly effective. Terrific to see his improvement.
Phillips, Gowers and Jones certainly put their cases forward for a promotion.
Great to see Gus improving and getting closer to how we know he can play.
To balance things a little Box Hill sure did make some horrible mistakes and we sure capitalised on them, twice in front of goal. So, so good to see the seconds emulating the seniors in the way they play.
I reckon Clarko bolted when he saw Ian Aitken!!!
:) :) :)
Thanks for the reports, guys. Nice to know the Pies went down well. :)
With the goals he's kicking and some of his games in defence he'll be some sort of star when he is consistent given what he's doing at present.
We can only hope!
Of course, the same applies to Dick, Whiley, Smith, SOJ, Glass-McCasker, Gowers and Tutt, most of whom played better games than Jaksch today.
@ Mondy.
Fabulous posting. Much appreciated in what sounds like the upset of the season. Read that we haventbeaten BH since 2013 :)) :)) :))
Cheers
No problems. I suppose someone had to take the bullet and listen to the commentary. These guys had serious comedy aspirations.
I like the way Whiley keeps chiselling away.....
Dick to, but sadly we have plenty of types who play the same role.
Great reports gents, so much better than local journalists who must report off the stats alone!
Too rights, much kudos to you intrepid souls!
I reckon Curnow has already shown he has something... Silvagni clearly has something... hopefully McKay can get on field this year... the pipeline is building.
At one stage Baggers and I noticed Clarko standing 10 metres or so from us. A little later Ian Aitken was standing in front of us. Clarko had moved on :-\
No surprise there from the Gutless Turd >:(
I reckon Curnow has already shown he has something... Silvagni clearly has something... hopefully McKay can get on field this year... the pipeline is building.
Equally, all 4 of the most recent GWS recruits can clearly play too. Only in their low 20s, all high draft picks (= have talent/ability).
wait till Plowman and Sumner get full pre seasons....
It was great to see lots of senior players, coaches and list manager there and great to see the coaches taking the opportunity to continue the footy education of blokes like Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow. Our club is really heading in the right direction.
Just to enlarge on this point, Baggers and I went out onto the ground at three quarter time to listen to Fraser's address. Unfortunately, we weren't close enough to hear much of what he had to say but what caught my eye was Shane Watson talking to Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow just outside the huddle. Once again, I couldn't hear what was said but, from the gestures, I assume that Watson was talking about leading patterns. Matthew Capuano, who has a game day role with the NBs as development coach, joined in and was in discussion with Charlie Curnow as they left the ground. Of course, they could have been talking about how to get to the train station but I suspect that it was football related.
It is a far cry from the NBs of a few years ago when there was a huge disconnect with Carlton. The new approach shows that a stand alone VFL team is not the only way to enjoy VFL success while giving youngsters (and not so youngsters) the best preparation for AFL footy.
A great win today, and similar to the seniors, it seems it came with a great and fairly even team effort.
It's good to have KP options up forward, and a ruckman that dominates.
If Phillips can translate that form to AFL level........
I know highlights don't tell the story, but Jaksch last goal appears to be him picking it up off the deck and converting after a marking contest where ball came to ground.
Not his marking contest, but it indicates that he can do it.
Is this what you guys are talking about?
Between chasing my two little ones around on the grass i got to watch most of the game. Agree with the comments above on Jacksh. He did plenty of nice things in the second half, also suggesting league level fitness helps. But it wasn't a full four quarter effort. Jones took some mighty leaps, resulting in a few teriffic contested marks. He was the preferred target for much of the day. Not sure he will ever be a consistent league level player but he can keep at it. Silvagni just needs to keep developing, no need to rush him into senior footy, as he would be out of puff pretty quick.
Was really pleasing to see our ball movement in the second half out of the backline. Lots of overlap run and kicking to advantage. Our tall targets helped, and the lack of BH talls made life a bit easier. Hawks in general were lacking some of their better players that are now in the seniors. Couple of howler mistakes led to easy blues goals, but the pressure we applied forced them to kick poorly.
Very good score too on a heavy track that was pretty muddy through the middle.
@ Baggers wnd DJC
Thanks for your great reports and good to hear that we are building nicely via the NBs. Looking forward to seeing some of the youngsters play seniors when their time is right.
Jaksch is a talented player and should be playing seniors IMO...Gorringe went up a gear when given the chance and he never earned it given his NB's form was worse than KJ's IMO. I'd be playing him at FF and leaving him there to develop......
Jaksch is a talented player and should be playing seniors IMO...Gorringe went up a gear when given the chance and he never earned it given his NB's form was worse than KJ's IMO. I'd be playing him at FF and leaving him there to develop......
Jaksch may be talented EB but he didn't give a four quarter effort yesterday; perhaps one and a half. Phillips had to be used as a key forward to give us a second target.
Jaksch may be talented EB but he didn't give a four quarter effort yesterday; perhaps one and a half. Phillips had to be used as a key forward to give us a second target.
DJ..Everitt has had 5 quarters in a row with no effort and Simon White as a defensive forward like today doesnt offer much goalkicking power..
Reckon Philips will be in next game....
Phillips make a big difference.
Phillips make a big difference.
Yep Gorringe offers a bit in terms of getting the ball around the ground but is a novice ruck and Hickey is a big unit who is even troubling Kruezer..
Philips better suited to Hickey IMO and got no doubt he will back after the bye...
Yep Gorringe offers a bit in terms of getting the ball around the ground but is a novice ruck and Hickey is a big unit who is even troubling Kruezer..
Philips better suited to Hickey IMO and got no doubt he will back after the bye...
Problem is though Kreuzer's effectiveness is cut. He's no good at all sharing ruck duties, stars when he's on the ball near all day doing it on his own. Ruck/rover type of ruckman. Rather one ruck so we can pick other types of players.
Kreuzer has to adapt.
Kreuzer has to adapt.
He hasn't ever. Not sure he will now and trying to make him won't help much. A 2nd ruckman just clogs up space we can use for another type of player. Not needed when we can just take one ruck, ruck Casboult and bring the likes of Jaksch and SOSOS in. 2 rucks means either one rests at FF, where key forwards are no good, that hurts our forward line alot, or we play two key forwards and two ruck, which hurts our run. I know which way was best, as was borne out on the Collingwood and Port games.
We can't sacrifice the team for onr player no matter how good they are, and lets be honest he's a B+ ruckman at his best.
He hasn't ever. Not sure he will now and trying to make him won't help much. A 2nd ruckman just clogs up space we can use for another type of player. Not needed when we can just take one ruck, ruck Casboult and bring the likes of Jaksch and SOSOS in. 2 rucks means either one rests at FF, where key forwards are no good, that hurts our forward line alot, or we play two key forwards and two ruck, which hurts our run. I know which way was best, as was borne out on the Collingwood and Port games.
We'll play two rucks. Can't have a game like today where we got absolutely no service.
The Saints would have based their match strategy on getting the ball on the outside and running away from our mids. Our plan would have been to make it a contested ball situation at the stoppage.
We couldn't that because their ruckman put it anywhere he wanted.
Phillips will be in next game because GWS have even more speed on the ball.
and effective ruckman don't clog up space, they create a mismatch in the forwardline .
We'll play two rucks. Can't have a game like today where we got absolutely no service.
The Saints would have based their match strategy on getting the ball on the outside and running away from our mids. Our plan would have been to make it a contested ball situation at the stoppage.
We couldn't that because their ruckman put it anywhere he wanted.
Phillips will be in next game because GWS have even more speed on the ball.
and effective ruckman don't clog up space, they create a mismatch in the forwardline .
Bit of credit to the Saints coaching as well...Dunstan did the job on Cripps and Gibbs was also well held(could have been Weller)......
Agree on their game plan....they probably had only the one weapon over us and that was leg speed and they played on most times they took possession and I thought they also
had done some work on our game plan and had us zoned off and even when we tried to switch play they had enough numbers to hold us up..
Good learning experience and we probably need a plan B for the future..
We'll play two rucks. Can't have a game like today where we got absolutely no service.
The Saints would have based their match strategy on getting the ball on the outside and running away from our mids. Our plan would have been to make it a contested ball situation at the stoppage.
We couldn't that because their ruckman put it anywhere he wanted.
Phillips will be in next game because GWS have even more speed on the ball.
and effective ruckman don't clog up space, they create a mismatch in the forwardline .
We probably will but it doesn't do us much good normally as history shows time and again. Would rather an extra player elsewhere and set up to a losing ruck. We'll get more value around the ground. Way more important to me than a few tapouts, especially when about only 20-25% go to advantage anyway. Tapouts are great but overrated compared to value around the ground. Prefer our best set up year and year, as proven time and again, Kreuzer and Casboult than some other lumbering ruckman taking up space. May not have done brilliantly in the tap dept but we were so much better around the ground. Went well with Wood and Casboult last year too, one of the few things. We won the clearances near all year last year, did us no good. Geelong rarely won clearances at their best but set up accordingly. Freo didn't often win the clearances when Sandliands was rucking as the opposition set up to a losing ruck.
As Hinkley said, you need either a winning ruck or a losing ruck so you can set up accordingly. He the worst situation was when it was neither winning or losing as it affects the way you set up.
I rather concede and set up with a different structure. One ruckman for me as it's proven to be best for us many, many times. If Kreuzer is still out of sorts following his knee op then don't play him. Play Phillips on his own. Two ruckmen never suits us. Best performances this year on ball, Collingwood and Port games.
If form is any guide, Phillips and Jones will be in contention for senior selection.
Phillips' tap work, marking around the ground and ability to hit the scoreboard make him a monty to come in. Bolton and Capuano will have think about how best to use Phillips and Kreuzer.
Jones may be less likely to come in but, if he can reproduce the effort and effectiveness he showed on Saturday, our forward line would be far more capable of kicking a winning score.
I don't think Buckley did enough to deserve consideration, Silvagni and Jaksch are close but not quite there. Unfortunately, we seem to be fresh out of speedy midfielders.
Agree re Phillips and Jones, but I'd experiment a bit.
Phillips and Kreuz share the ruck with Phillips up forward a little more and taking the forward 50 boundary line tap ins and throw ups. Gorringe replaces Everitt as the 3rd tall forward. Move Byrne up the field and give Gowers a go at half back.
So, in Phillips and Gorringe replaces Everitt up forward. Rest White. Just like to see how Billy goes in the seniors. Big strong boy with a terrific attitude.
Just thoughts.
Agree re Phillips and Jones, but I'd experiment a bit.
Phillips and Kreuz share the ruck with Phillips up forward a little more and taking the forward 50 boundary line tap ins and throw ups. Gorringe replaces Everitt as the 3rd tall forward. Move Byrne up the field and give Gowers a go at half back.
So, in Phillips and Gorringe replaces Everitt up forward. Rest White. Just like to see how Billy goes in the seniors. Big strong boy with a terrific attitude.
Just thoughts.
I was thinking along similar lines but decided that Everitt is offering more than Gorringe at this stage. Gorringe would really have to add something to his bag of tricks so that he's not just another ruckman trying to be a forward. I'm not sure that we can have Kreuzer, Phillips and Gorringe in the same team at the moment. The problem is that Gorringe will more than likely be played as ruckman when he goes back to the NBs.
I'd like to see Gowers get a run but he's a rookie and I believe he would have to be upgraded. I liked his attack on the footy and I think he would play a little tighter than Tuohy and Byrne. Gowers is one of those blokes who plays taller than his size and he has a crack. I'd like to see Tuohy and Byrne used in the midfield rotations.
Gorringe and White (or Everitt) out.
Silvagni and Jaksch in.
Still baffling that KJ has not had a crack at the seniors yet. I don't like 2 rucks. Kreuzer's best form coincides with Phillips injury. Kreuzer has been that way since the Warnock days.
Gorringe and White (or Everitt) out.
Silvagni and Jaksch in.
Still baffling that KJ has not had a crack at the seniors yet. I don't like 2 rucks. Kreuzer's best form coincides with Phillips injury. Kreuzer has been that way since the Warnock days.
Nope.
In - Phillips, Silvagni.
Out - Gorringe, White
One thing I didn't mention was SOJ showboating as he ran in for an easy goal. It wasn't over the top but it's not a good look.
I am sure SOS and the coaches will have a quiet word in his ear.
In- Phillips ,Silvagni, Jaksch
Out - Gorringe ,White ( Everitt or Walker )
In- Phillips ,Silvagni, Jaksch
Out - Gorringe ,White ( Everitt or Walker )
Interesting thing for us is the next game is GWS, probably the hardest running team in the AFL. At the moment our preferred "INs" seem to be Silvagni and Jaksch, but the one major criticism against both is that they do not play 4 quarters even at VFL level.
That situation won't improve against GWS which is running top level AFL teams into the ground regularly. So I cannot see us bringing both in for their first game of the season against one of the gold standard clubs.
We'll certainly bring in Phillips to bolster our ruck with maybe Gorringe or one of Walker/Everitt to make way.
Can't see too many other changes tbh. Boekhorst could be available (extra pace) but I would think he'll come back via the NBs?
Interesting thing for us is the next game is GWS, probably the hardest running team in the AFL. At the moment our preferred "INs" seem to be Silvagni and Jaksch, but the one major criticism against both is that they do not play 4 quarters even at VFL level.
That situation won't improve against GWS which is running top level AFL teams into the ground regularly. So I cannot see us bringing both in for their first game of the season against one of the gold standard clubs.
I don't think many of those advocating for SOJ and Jaksch have seen them live. I have only seen them once but Baggers is a regular NBs watcher and my observations were similar to his.
While they don't play 4 quarters at VFL level, it seems to be for different reasons. SOJ works his butt off then has to recover on the bench. He is really spent when he comes off and it takes him quite a while to get his breath back. He missed most of last season and really needs more game time to build match fitness. On the other hand, Jaksch seems fit enough and his best is certainly good enough to be more than competitive at AFL level. However, at the moment his best is spasmodic and he drifts out of the game.
As LP surmises, playing either against GWS will set them a difficult task and effectively have us a man down for periods of the game. Of course, Jaksch could train the house down over the next two and come out and play a blinder against GWS. Stranger things have happened.
Phillips should come in and Jones deserves another run. As Baggers suggested, Gowers would add some run and hardness to our defence but I suspect that his chance will come later in the season.
second half of the year players like Graham, Jaksch, Boekhorst need to be given a string of consistent games because they're quality youngsters (yes I have seen them all play including Jaksch) . Jaksch is by far the more talented of the three mentioned.
final quarter of the year last 4-5 rounds I would like to see Jack, Curnow and McKay play all games.
Time to phase out Jamison, Walker, Armfield, Everitt and few others
second half of the year players like Graham, Jaksch, Boekhorst need to be given a string of consistent games because they're quality youngsters (yes I have seen them all play including Jaksch) . Jaksch is by far the more talented of the three mentioned.
final quarter of the year last 4-5 rounds I would like to see Jack, Curnow and McKay play all games.
Time to phase out Jamison, Walker, Armfield, Everitt and few others
Jamo and Walker I agree. Everitt I understand. But how on earth does Armfield deserve the chop on his year to date?
Jamo and Walker I agree. Everitt I understand. But how on earth does Armfield deserve the chop on his year to date?
I love the bloke and should stay on the list but if I had to select Army out of Jack or Curnow at high half forward I will go for the youngsters,
final quarter of the year last 4-5 rounds I would like to see Jack, Curnow and McKay play all games.
Time to phase out Jamison, Walker, Armfield, Everitt and few others
That bird has already flown.
I love the bloke and should stay on the list but if I had to select Army out of Jack or Curnow at high half forward I will go for the youngsters,
They're not really competing for the same position. Armfield is a defensive forward who has managed to hit the scoreboard in recent games. Charlie Curnow is a marking forward and SOJ, while a decent size, tends to get the pill by good positioning and getting into space. Neither of them have Armfield's speed.
Charlie would seem to be competing with Everitt, Walker and perhaps White. SOJ plays more like Sumner, Lamb or Walker at a pinch. Perhaps the closest player we've had to SOJ would be Menzel when he had a crack.
I don't think many of those advocating for SOJ and Jaksch have seen them live.
I would be interested to know which advocators had seen them live.
They're not really competing for the same position. Armfield is a defensive forward who has managed to hit the scoreboard in recent games. Charlie Curnow is a marking forward and SOJ, while a decent size, tends to get the pill by good positioning and getting into space. Neither of them have Armfield's speed.
Charlie would seem to be competing with Everitt, Walker and perhaps White. SOJ plays more like Sumner, Lamb or Walker at a pinch. Perhaps the closest player we've had to SOJ would be Menzel when he had a crack.
Either this year or next (or whenever) Charlie and Jack will be replacing Everitt and Walker.
Those advocating Jack are mostly doing so because...
a) They see stats/goals from the NB games
b) They see the 'performance' (or lack thereof) of Walker/Everitt on a weekly basis.
Based on that its a case of, "surely he couldn't be any worse than..."
I would be interested to know which advocators had seen them live.
I have seen Jaksch a few times live and reckon he is worthy of senior footy...only seen SOSOS once in the VFL and twice at U18 level But am not an advocate of promoting him yet..
KJ has ability and while operating off a straight line only has a been a problem in the NB's you only have to look at Gorringe to see what some senior games can do for you.
We are in a development/experimental phase and I'd be playing KJ, DVR, Buckley,promote Gowers and JessieMac etc and getting a handle on where they are at.....results dont mean much.
The only result that matters is finding out who can play seniors for the future and disposing of those who cant...NB's form doesnt always show a player worth either.
If we already know that certain players e.g. Jack S. are going to be around next year then there is no point rushing them into the seniors this year.
Where we are looking to make a decision on them this year then they may be given a game or two so that the decision can be made. I don't know whether Jaksch would fit into this category. The following
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/midseason-report-carlton-become-overachievers-20160615-gpjd7v.html
is an interesting article and it says that with BB's approach players who for instance can't hit targets will not be kept on, papers likely stamped, and that Dylan Buckley is a possible example in this category. Others struggling for a senior game for whatever reasons who are also possibly under the pump include Clem Smith, KJ, Liam Jones.
Either this year or next (or whenever) Charlie and Jack will be replacing Everitt and Walker.
Those advocating Jack are mostly doing so because...
a) They see stats/goals from the NB games
b) They see the 'performance' (or lack thereof) of Walker/Everitt on a weekly basis.
Based on that its a case of, "surely he couldn't be any worse than..."
Probably Kruddler but, at present, SOJ is playing more like a small forward. Someone in another thread compared SOJ to Gunston and that couldn't be further from the mark. If I had to compare him with a Hawthorn player, someone like Puopolo would be close - and I mean that as a good thing!
I expect that SOJ will "play taller" as he develops strength, match fitness and confidence. I don't think he will ever have the ability to cover the ground like Everitt and Walker.
If we already know that certain players e.g. Jack S. are going to be around next year then there is no point rushing them into the seniors this year.
Where we are looking to make a decision on them this year then they may be given a game or two so that the decision can be made. I don't know whether Jaksch would fit into this category. The following
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/midseason-report-carlton-become-overachievers-20160615-gpjd7v.html
is an interesting article and it says that with BB's approach players who for instance can't hit targets will not be kept on, papers likely stamped, and that Dylan Buckley is a possible example in this category. Others struggling for a senior game for whatever reasons who are also possibly under the pump include Clem Smith, KJ, Liam Jones.
That also assumes they know what Bolton is thinking and what deals SOS will get done.
IMHO no one has papers stamped and given where we are at not getting a game has more to do with development of knowledge and skills whilst getting a game means there is no more for you to learn or that you can learn in the ones without hurting the team.
That also assumes they know what Bolton is thinking and what deals SOS will get done.
IMHO no one has papers stamped and given where we are at not getting a game has more to do with development of knowledge and skills whilst getting a game means there is no more for you to learn or that you can learn in the ones without hurting the team.
I think that's right Thry.
There is a lot of effort being put into the blokes in the NBs so that they can fit straight in to the senior team.
It seems to me that a standard has been set and players have to be operating at that standard to be considered for selection. I reckon we have quite a few players who are at or are very close to that standard; Jones (never thought that would happen), Jaksch, Gowers, Glass-McCasker, Buckley, and Phillips. SOJ isn't far off and it would nice to think that Charlie Curnow and McKay can get there before the end of the season.
I'm confused. Is "SOJ" Jack or Dylan? ???
I'm confused. Is "SOJ" Jack or Dylan? ???
Jack is called SOJ - son of Jo - by his team mates. It would have been too easy for them to use SOS. I reckon it's due recognition of Jo :)
That also assumes they know what Bolton is thinking and what deals SOS will get done.
IMHO no one has papers stamped and given where we are at not getting a game has more to do with development of knowledge and skills whilst getting a game means there is no more for you to learn or that you can learn in the ones without hurting the team.
Add the word "yet" and I'd possibly agree with you, although there may be one or two, I don't know for sure. Any players that have been around for a few years and can't crack a senior game, especially if they can't demonstrate the minimum required skills or attitude, would certainly be vulnerable by end of year though.
Add the word "yet" and I'd possibly agree with you, although there may be one or two, I don't know for sure. Any players that have been around for a few years and can't crack a senior game, especially if they can't demonstrate the minimum required skills or attitude, would certainly be vulnerable by end of year though.
I think "end of year" is a critical element Cookie.
I think we have a much better and more effective focus on player development under Bolton's leadership and players who have languished in the NBs for a couple of years are now starting to show what they are capable of. For example, I would have said that Billy Gowers was on thin ice but, after watching him play on Saturday, I reckon he could slot straight in to the senior side.
It may be a case of too little, too late for some but they still have the opportunity to determine their future career trajectory.
Interestingly, our kicking efficiency has gone from 18th last season to 6th this year. Some of the improvement may be due to new players but it does show that the 2015 list was capable of much better disposal than many of us thought. I think the possession game is a factor but you can't maintain a possession game without good disposal.
@DJC
That's positive news DJC. Mass delistings are indicative of system failures at the club I guess and if we can avoid that kind of waste whilst building a winning team then great. I'll be guided by yourself and others on here re. our NB talent as I usually can't get along to their games and I haven't seen them on tv for some time now.
I think "end of year" is a critical element Cookie.
I think we have a much better and more effective focus on player development under Bolton's leadership and players who have languished in the NBs for a couple of years are now starting to show what they are capable of. For example, I would have said that Billy Gowers was on thin ice but, after watching him play on Saturday, I reckon he could slot straight in to the senior side.
It may be a case of too little, too late for some but they still have the opportunity to determine their future career trajectory.
Interestingly, our kicking efficiency has gone from 18th last season to 6th this year. Some of the improvement may be due to new players but it does show that the 2015 list was capable of much better disposal than many of us thought. I think the possession game is a factor but you can't maintain a possession game without good disposal.
As far as disposal goes a big change from early in the year is the handballs are no longer finding grass. Good handball keeps the run going and gets the ball into the 50 very quickly and efficiently, one that hits the grass slows or stops that run, or worse, turns it over.
As far as disposal goes a big change from early in the year is the handballs are no longer finding grass. Good handball keeps the run going and gets the ball into the 50 very quickly and efficiently, one that hits the grass slows or stops that run, or worse, turns it over.
Overall disposal efficiency has gone from 17th to 8th while kicking efficiency has jumped from 18th to 6th. I don't have handpassing efficiency figures but it must not be as good as our kicking. I guess that's understandable since many handpasses are executed under pressure or when tackled but there is ample room for improvement.
I like the sound of this sort of player review:
42. Mark Whiley
Stats: 28 disposals (20 contested), 11 hard-ball gets, 9 clearances
From the coach: He was again significant around the stoppages and contested ball: it was a bull-like performance in tight in tough conditions. He got the ball going forward our way and was relentless for four quarters.
I like the sound of this sort of player review:
42. Mark Whiley
Stats: 28 disposals (20 contested), 11 hard-ball gets, 9 clearances
From the coach: He was again significant around the stoppages and contested ball: it was a bull-like performance in tight in tough conditions. He got the ball going forward our way and was relentless for four quarters.
He isnt smart or quick enough with the ball at senior level...maybe he could learn to play Half back and release a player like Byrne to play up the field more and who does have the tools to become a top line player...
I like the sound of this sort of player review:
42. Mark Whiley
Stats: 28 disposals (20 contested), 11 hard-ball gets, 9 clearances
From the coach: He was again significant around the stoppages and contested ball: it was a bull-like performance in tight in tough conditions. He got the ball going forward our way and was relentless for four quarters.
Yes, I think I neglected to mention Whiley but he was pretty good. However, I'm not sure who he could replace and whether he would strengthen the side. It is good to see blokes like Whiley really having a crack.
He isnt smart or quick enough with the ball at senior level...maybe he could learn to play Half back and release a player like Byrne to play up the field more and who does have the tools to become a top line player...
That's my only knock on Whiley, his footy smarts ...or lack thereof. There is no doubting his endeavour and ability to compete and contest.