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Title: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crashlander on July 23, 2016, 09:34:39 am
One of the hardest tasks in football is bearding the Lion in it's Den: in this case playing Hawthorn in Tasmania. One of life's little ironies is that Hawthorn's Tasmania base is a former pub started by my Great Great Grandfather, just over the river from the ground. I feel like ordering these Johnnie - come - latelies out while the adults come to town, but ..... :)

The student vs. the master: I hope Bolts can give Clarkson what the Doctor gave the Master. :) Maybe what the Rebels gave the Death Star. That would be good, as we look to dethrone the Evil Empire.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crashlander on July 23, 2016, 04:36:20 pm
Two close ones in 2 weeks against top 8 teams. Can we do it again? Someone has to beat these b*ggers!
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on July 23, 2016, 04:45:02 pm
Two close ones in 2 weeks against top 8 teams. Can we do it again? Someone has to beat these b*ggers!

It will be a challenge but, even though we've had a string of losses, I reckon we have a chance.  Last year I would have said no chance, but I think the team treats every game as winnable now and I have similar optimism.  It may be dashed by quarter time but at least we'll see a contest.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on July 23, 2016, 04:49:47 pm
This game would certainly be a good one for us to break the current drought with.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: pinot on July 23, 2016, 10:13:33 pm
All we want to see is the boys having a crack and we are seeing that
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: LoveNavy on July 23, 2016, 10:38:48 pm
Must say I would not have predicted our last two results in a pink fit.
So I'm not feeling too confident. In keeping with my poor form I predict Hawks by 50. While I pray for the apprentice to get one over the master, I think we're more likely to see something akin to The Sorcerer's Apprentice ::)
Feel free to prove me terribly wrong again Blues.
Like others I'm wrapped with the 180 Bolts has manufactured with this group. I'm getting quite excited about our future.

Go Blues - Shake up the Hawks
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Micky0 on July 24, 2016, 11:01:00 am
I would just like us to give them some of their own medicine - nothing to lose for us so go hard infringe as often as possible like they do everyone else, get scrappy make them work for the win  >:D
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 24, 2016, 01:16:22 pm
Beating the Hawks in one wrong I would really love BB to right. I reckon he has been setting himself and planning for this one since the day he started. Never say never.
Go Blues
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: BluePhantom on July 24, 2016, 01:52:55 pm
Like everyone, I would like nothing more than to put one over the Dawks.
But I just pray that the umpires are fair and just.
None of these tiggy touchwood bulls#*t free kicks they always seem to get.
Oh and I  wouldn't mind seeing Hodge taken out by someone, preferably out for the finals.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: bratblue on July 24, 2016, 03:14:31 pm
Like everyone, I would like nothing more than to put one over the Dawks.
But I just pray that the umpires are fair and just.
None of these tiggy touchwood bulls#*t free kicks they always seem to get.
Oh and I  wouldn't mind seeing Hodge taken out by someone, preferably out for the finals.

Couldn't have said it better.  I though we were a good chance against the Hawks when we had that run of wins and the Hawks hadn't hit their straps. Now I think its a harder task.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 24, 2016, 04:59:24 pm
Dawks butchering the ball uncharacteristically today.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: laj on July 24, 2016, 05:34:23 pm
Dawks butchering the ball uncharacteristically today.

They're pumping the Tigers now. 51pts up.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 24, 2016, 05:58:55 pm
They're pumping the Tigers now. 51pts up.
As soon as wrote that post, they started lighting it up!
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Professer E on July 24, 2016, 09:05:24 pm
The only way Hodge would miss finals after an incident involving one of our players would be if he busted his elbow nailing one of ours... who would then get three weeks for recklessly head butting Hodges's elbow.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Jeffy38 on July 24, 2016, 09:08:36 pm
The only way Hodge would miss finals after an incident involving one of our players would be if he busted his elbow nailing one of ours... who would then get three weeks for recklessly head butting Hodges's elbow.

That's gold, well played sir!
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crashlander on July 24, 2016, 10:35:07 pm
The only way Hodge would miss finals after an incident involving one of our players would be if he busted his elbow nailing one of ours... who would then get three weeks for recklessly head butting Hodges's elbow.
I agree. Real Gold.

Unfortunately recent games against Hawthorn suggest the umpires and the idiots at the tribunal actually agree with it. He is a thug, but they just don't want to see it.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crashlander on July 24, 2016, 10:50:38 pm
I didn't see the game, only the highlights. However, from those I would put Jones in.

Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Northern Blues   4.3  6.4  8.8  11.11 (77)
Footscray Bulldogs   1.5  3.7  5.9  10.11 (71)

GOALS:
Northern Blues: McKay 3 Jaksch 2 Jones 2 Korcheck  Declase  Kerbatieh  Smith
Footscray Bulldogs: Webb 2 Houghton 2 Hayes  Hrovat  Greenwood  Hannan  Grabowski  Adcock

BEST:
Northern Blues: Wilson Jaksch Everitt Tutt Jones Russell
Footscray Bulldogs: Webb Smith Russell Nash Adcock Honeychurch

From those, and feel free to disagree with me if you were there and saw it live, Jaksch would be his biggest competition. Jones took some great marks, but did not convert all of his chances.
I would give McKay a go some time in the last couple of rounds. Maybe against Essendon. His fitness levels are just not there yet.
I don't think Silvagni's fitness levels are there yet, but he made a case that just couldn't be ignored.

I also note that although Whiley got leather poisoning, he was NOT mentioned in the best. Tutt was: disposal efficiency? All the same, Whiley has to be close to another senior game. He is in good form at the moment.

I think Skittles and Gowers may get games before the end of the season, but it would be very brave to blood them against Hawthorn. Lamb probably didn't do enough to get a recall yet.

Sumner was better against Sydney, but still managed just 13 possessions (and 1 brilliant goal). It would be hard to make many changes for this week, but Sumner could make way.
I like the lad, his pace and his work rate, but he needs to get the ball more.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: madbluboy on July 25, 2016, 07:54:35 am
I agree. Real Gold.

Unfortunately recent games against Hawthorn suggest the umpires and the idiots at the tribunal actually agree with it. He is a thug, but they just don't want to see it.

Hodge was suspended twice last year for a total of 5 games, I don't think we'll have to worry about him this week though as he is in doubt with a hammy and no way they'll risk him.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: MilkIt on July 25, 2016, 01:29:52 pm
I'd like to see SOS push up to the wing, drop Phillips only because I don't think two ruckmen is working, and bring in both Jaksch and Jones up forward. We need to take some marks i50.

IN: Jaksch, Jones
OUT: C. Curnow, Phillips

HF: Boekhorst - Casboult - Wright
FF: Sumner - Jones - Jaksch

 8)
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: laj on July 25, 2016, 02:04:27 pm
I'd like to see SOS push up to the wing, drop Phillips only because I don't think two ruckmen is working, and bring in both Jaksch and Jones up forward. We need to take some marks i50.

IN: Jaksch, Jones
OUT: C. Curnow, Phillips

HF: Boekhorst - Casboult - Wright
FF: Sumner - Jones - Jaksch

 8)
Don't mind that. Jaksch and Jones key forwards, Casboult a genuine 2nd ruck, a role he played well with last year when Jones and Henderson filled the key positions. He added qiite a bit around the ground and even better didn't have to be shooting at goal.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cimm1979 on July 25, 2016, 02:06:48 pm
I'd like to see SOS push up to the wing, drop Phillips only because I don't think two ruckmen is working, and bring in both Jaksch and Jones up forward. We need to take some marks i50.

IN: Jaksch, Jones
OUT: C. Curnow, Phillips

HF: Boekhorst - Casboult - Wright
FF: Sumner - Jones - Jaksch

 8)

Thinking they will go with one ruckman is ignoring everything the MC has done all year.

It might happen but very unlikely. They don't want Casboult rucking, so that's probably another nail in this posts coffin.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on July 25, 2016, 06:10:53 pm
I'd like to see SOS push up to the wing, drop Phillips only because I don't think two ruckmen is working, and bring in both Jaksch and Jones up forward. We need to take some marks i50.

IN: Jaksch, Jones
OUT: C. Curnow, Phillips

HF: Boekhorst - Casboult - Wright
FF: Sumner - Jones - Jaksch

 8)

If we are only going to go with 1 ruckman, it would probably see Casboult out of the team and Phillips as permanent forward. Based on their respective form at least.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: laj on July 25, 2016, 09:03:11 pm
If we are only going to go with 1 ruckman, it would probably see Casboult out of the team and Phillips as permanent forward. Based on their respective form at least.

Never want to see a ruckman as a key forward as it's usually a disaster. Most have no idea how to play the position. Casboult's game would improve alot if he was to get a run on the ball as we have seen a number of times over the last few years. He improves no end when he can clunk a few marks. He's better marking around the ground than Phillips and Kreuzer put together, and i'm not necessarily saying alot there.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: laj on July 25, 2016, 09:10:11 pm
Thinking they will go with one ruckman is ignoring everything the MC has done all year.

It might happen but very unlikely. They don't want Casboult rucking, so that's probably another nail in this posts coffin.

They did it a couple of times earlier on when we were winning. No coincidence both Kreuzer and Casboult played easily their best footy in role they were suited and we played well too. I like Phillips but two ruckmen doesn't often work for us, especially when we're left with just one key forward. Phillips doesn't often do that much and Kreuzer's effectiveness is cut in half when he has to share. Seen that for years now. Not sure why it takes our match committee so long to see that. That did for a few matches when Phillips got injured and we did well.

At worst 2 key forwards and 2 rucks where Casboult can then get up the ground and clunk some marks rather than being stuck deeper forward as our one out key forward against the heat of multiple defenders.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on July 25, 2016, 10:26:16 pm
They did it a couple of times earlier on when we were winning. No coincidence both Kreuzer and Casboult played easily their best footy in role they were suited and we played well too. I like Phillips but two ruckmen doesn't often work for us, especially when we're left with just one key forward. Phillips doesn't often do that much and Kreuzer's effectiveness is cut in half when he has to share. Seen that for years now. Not sure why it takes our match committee so long to see that. That did for a few matches when Phillips got injured and we did well.

At worst 2 key forwards and 2 rucks where Casboult can then get up the ground and clunk some marks rather than being stuck deeper forward as our one out key forward against the heat of multiple defenders.

In round 7, we played one ruckman - Kreuzer - with Casboult as part time back-up.  We started off with the same structure in round 8 but Rowe had to step in when Casboult went off.  Rowe rucked much better than Casboult ever has.  In every other game we have played two dedicated ruckmen (if you can call Gorringe and Rowe dedicated ruckmen - Gibbs got as many hitouts as Rowe in round 9!).  In any case, it's a pointless argument; they won't risk Casboult's knee by playing him in the ruck again this season.

We do need to play two key forwards so that Casboult isn't trying to outmark two defenders and can get up the ground to provide an outlet. 



Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: pinot on July 26, 2016, 07:55:15 am
Forward line structure is an issue, theoretically could have won every game this year bar a couple as we dominated the inside 50s. It is all very interesting and the quicker we have our three 18 year old snotfaces running around together growing up together the better.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Micky0 on July 26, 2016, 08:10:41 am
Why wouldn't they try Tuohy forward? He's strong, can kick and don't see any harm from Moving him from the back as they seem pretty settled back there
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: shawny on July 26, 2016, 08:32:17 am
Don't get why many want Jones to get another senior game.

He is not part of our future plans and so why fill a position with a player who has had enough time to show what we has and hasnt made the grade. Most bag the crap out of him when he plays than he goes back in the 2s plays a half decent game at the lower level and fans then want him recalled  ::)

No good at this stage in the year giving games to anyone other then those who the club sees/wants there in 3-4 years (Except for simmo of course)

Therefore a big no for me to Jones, Tutt, Whiley, Smith, Dick, Walker, Wood etc.

Jaksch and Everett are the ones I'm not sure where they sit so maybe to get a better read come seasons end play boy these 2 and tell them you have 5 weeks and then we make a call on both of their futures.  

  

  
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on July 26, 2016, 08:41:51 am
Don't get why many want Jones to get another senior game.

He is not part of our future plans and so why fill a position with a player who has had enough time to show what we has and hasnt made the grade. Most bag the crap out of him when he plays than he goes back in the 2s plays a half decent game at the lower level and fans then want him recalled  ::)

No good at this stage in the year giving games to anyone other then those who the club sees/wants there in 3-4 years (Except for simmo of course)

Therefore a big no for me to Jones, Tutt, Whiley, Smith, Dick, Walker, Wood etc.

Jaksch and Everett are the ones I'm not sure where they sit so maybe to get a better read come seasons end play boy these 2 and tell them you have 5 weeks and then we make a call on both of their futures.  

  

 

Agree. We are first and foremost trying to sort the sheep from the goats this year and getting our team structure, playing culture and game plans sorted out. There's no point in going down dead ends with any of that unless you are forced to. Their lack of selection tells me that both Jones and KJ must have been already identified as "non strategic"  and will only now come in as last resorts due to injuries etc.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: sandsmere on July 26, 2016, 08:49:03 am
Don't get why many want Jones to get another senior game.

He is not part of our future plans and so why fill a position with a player who has had enough time to show what we has and hasnt made the grade. Most bag the crap out of him when he plays than he goes back in the 2s plays a half decent game at the lower level and fans then want him recalled  ::)

No good at this stage in the year giving games to anyone other then those who the club sees/wants there in 3-4 years (Except for simmo of course)

Therefore a big no for me to Jones, Tutt, Whiley, Smith, Dick, Walker, Wood etc.

Jaksch and Everett are the ones I'm not sure where they sit so maybe to get a better read come seasons end play boy these 2 and tell them you have 5 weeks and then we make a call on both of their futures.  
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Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: sandsmere on July 26, 2016, 08:54:33 am
At this stage Jones IS part of our future whether we like it or not.
He is contracted until the end of 2017, and has shown a fair bit more than either Jaksch or Everett in the last few  games.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on July 26, 2016, 09:52:55 am
At this stage Jones IS part of our future whether we like it or not.
He is contracted until the end of 2017, and has shown a fair bit more than either Jaksch or Everett in the last few  games.

He's currently on the books until end 2017, sure, but whether he's got a strategic role to play in our future is another debate. "A fair bit more than Jaksch or Everitt" is not saying that much but if he gets selected for a few games this year and does well, then maybe he will stay around. I wish him well.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: shawny on July 26, 2016, 10:27:00 am
At this stage Jones IS part of our future whether we like it or not.
He is contracted until the end of 2017, and has shown a fair bit more than either Jaksch or Everett in the last few  games.

Nope don't agree - showing more then 2 very average players is not enough.

For us to improve and get closer to better preforming teams, Jones, Tutt and co cant be considered. Simplky as that! Replacements must be trailed and trailed to the point where there is a clear understanding as to where this player sits  - and no better time to do it then the last games of this season IMO.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cimm1979 on July 26, 2016, 12:00:27 pm
They did it a couple of times earlier on when we were winning. No coincidence both Kreuzer and Casboult played easily their best footy in role they were suited and we played well too. I like Phillips but two ruckmen doesn't often work for us, especially when we're left with just one key forward. Phillips doesn't often do that much and Kreuzer's effectiveness is cut in half when he has to share. Seen that for years now. Not sure why it takes our match committee so long to see that. That did for a few matches when Phillips got injured and we did well.

At worst 2 key forwards and 2 rucks where Casboult can then get up the ground and clunk some marks rather than being stuck deeper forward as our one out key forward against the heat of multiple defenders.

Not true about Krooz and Casboult effectiveness without Phillips.

Phillips is showing exactly why they are getting games into him.

1) Bolton wants two rucks to play.
2) Phillips is rate of improvement is very good.

However, I would agree I think we need another marking target forward. Why they won't do it is a mystery to me but I've given up doubting.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on July 26, 2016, 12:06:19 pm
At this stage Jones IS part of our future whether we like it or not.
He is contracted until the end of 2017, and has shown a fair bit more than either Jaksch or Everett in the last few  games.

Jones at his best is an AFL standard key forward and they are very hard to come by.

Like many others, I wasn't happy with his recruitment and wrote him off after he failed to make any impact in his first season with us.  However, he has shown a lot more this year and he's not the complete spud I thought he was.  What I like about Jones is that if he doesn't take the mark, he brings the ball to ground - together with a few opponents.  He is rarely out marked.  He is also an on field leader, at VFL level at least.

I don't think Jones will be part of our long term future.  In fact, without being unkind, I hope that he's not part of our long term future.  He is part of our immediate future and, if he can maintain the effort he is showing in the VFL, deserves a place in the 22 for the Hawthorn game.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Pratty on July 26, 2016, 02:49:30 pm
Difficult to carry all of Kreuzer, Phillips, Casboult and Jones when they don't get big numbers and their impact can be quite low. MK can impact games with minimal possessions but you can't have these big blokes doing very little and not getting their hands on the ball often enough.

I think Phillips has earnt the right to stay in the team, and think next yera he will have surpassed Kreuzer as our no.1 ruckman on a full-time basis.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on July 26, 2016, 02:57:34 pm
Difficult to carry all of Kreuzer, Phillips, Casboult and Jones when they don't get big numbers and their impact can be quite low. MK can impact games with minimal possessions but you can't have these big blokes doing very little and not getting their hands on the ball often enough.

I think Phillips has earnt the right to stay in the team, and think next yera he will have surpassed Kreuzer as our no.1 ruckman on a full-time basis.

That's true; at least two of them have to be clunking marks and kicking goals.

I can't see Phillips getting past Kreuzer.  He is more than adequate but a very different type of ruckman.  Perhaps Korcheck will be Kreuzer's replacement.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on July 26, 2016, 03:00:55 pm
Kreuz is pretty handy around the clearances atm since we are down on big inside mids. If we improve in that area next year then the Phillips type, marking more around the ground and in F50, may well become our preferred model
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on July 26, 2016, 03:24:54 pm
Kreuz is pretty handy around the clearances atm since we are down on big inside mids. If we improve in that area next year then the Phillips type, marking more around the ground and in F50, may well become our preferred model

Can't see that happening myself.  Phillips has potential and he occasionally clunks marks but he's not as good as Kreuzer as a tap ruckman and is inconsistent with his work around the ground.

I suspect that our next number one ruckman isn't on our primary list.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on July 26, 2016, 03:36:18 pm
Can't see that happening myself.  Phillips has potential and he occasionally clunks marks but he's not as good as Kreuzer as a tap ruckman and is inconsistent with his work around the ground.

I suspect that our next number one ruckman isn't on our primary list.

It really depends on how Phillips progresses. I think he has shown some good signs already and could well develop a lot further but we'll have to wait and hope I guess. He's still young (just 25) for a ruckman.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: blue4life on July 28, 2016, 06:20:18 pm
However, I would agree I think we need another marking target forward. Why they won't do it is a mystery to me but I've given up doubting.

Because opposition teams can run off all of our tall forward options at will.
Casboult has the turning circle of a Kenworth, Everitt wouldn't know what a tackle was, Jones runs around like he means business but he's laid 8 tackles in 5 games this season and the less said about Jaksch the better.
Kreuzer isn't a key forward by any stretch but at least the opposition know he's around.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: townsendcalling on July 28, 2016, 06:24:40 pm
One change:

C Curnow out

Lovechild Everitt   in

Emergencies
13 Jed Lamb
14 Liam Jones
24 Mark Whiley

Lamb did SFA last week in the NBs!!

Liam Jones, very stiff!!!
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Baggers on July 28, 2016, 06:35:22 pm
You could just tell how Everitt's performances over the past 2 weeks in the magoos were being pumped up that we were being softened for his return. Well, his opponent for Saturday will finish the game without a mark on him and with good stats. Love to be wrong but can't see this delicate little flower hardening up for an encounter against the Dawks... be up to his team mates to do the hard stuff and they probably know that. Playing as loose as he does means he'll probably snag a couple.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: laj on July 28, 2016, 06:36:47 pm
Because opposition teams can run off all of our tall forward options at will.
Casboult has the turning circle of a Kenworth, Everitt wouldn't know what a tackle was, Jones runs around like he means business but he's laid 8 tackles in 5 games this season and the less said about Jaksch the better.
Kreuzer isn't a key forward by any stretch but at least the opposition know he's around.

6 from 7 with two key forwards, zero from 10 without.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on July 28, 2016, 06:37:14 pm
Everitt needs to pull his finger out. No bigger stage than against the hawks....albeit in tassie.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crashlander on July 28, 2016, 06:52:57 pm
Oh well, did I really think we were trying to win? Must have thought it was 2018 or something.....

Carlton

B: Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Dylan Buckley.
HB: Sam Docherty, Sam Rowe, Ed Curnow.
C: Blaine Boekhorst, Patrick Cripps, Kade Simpson.
HF: Sam Kerridge, Levi Casboult, Dennis Armfield.
F: Nick Graham, Simon White, Jack Silvagni.
Foll: Andrew Phillips, Bryce Gibbs, Matthew Wright.
Int: Matthew Kreuzer, Andrejs Everitt, Liam Sumner, Zach Tuohy.

Emg: Jed Lamb, Liam Jones, Mark Whiley.

In: Andrejs Everitt.

Out: Charlie Curnow (Knee)


Hawthorn

B: Taylor Duryea, James Frawley, Ben Stratton.
HB: Luke Hodge, Josh Gibson, Grant Birchall.
C: Isaac Smith, Sam Mitchell, Bradley Hill.
HF: Luke Breust, Jack Gunston, Brendan Whitecross.
F: James Sicily, Ben McEvoy, Cyril Rioli.
Foll: Jonathon Ceglar, Jordan Lewis, Shaun Burgoyne.
Int: Kaiden Brand, Will Langford, Jonathan O'Rourke, Tim O'Brien.

Emg: Dallas Willsmore, Blake Hardwick, Kurt Heatherley
 
If we had some idea how to kick goals, I'd be a lot happier. But with 1 key forward, who couldn't get a kick last week, our forward power does not impress.
Ceglar and McEvoy usually dine out on our rucks and we don't usually tag Mitchell, with unsurprising results.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on July 28, 2016, 07:16:46 pm
Says a lot about the futures of Jones and KJ at CFC.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: laj on July 28, 2016, 07:28:53 pm
Oh well, did I really think we were trying to win? Must have thought it was 2018 or something.....

Carlton

B: Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Dylan Buckley.
HB: Sam Docherty, Sam Rowe, Ed Curnow.
C: Blaine Boekhorst, Patrick Cripps, Kade Simpson.
HF: Sam Kerridge, Levi Casboult, Dennis Armfield.
F: Nick Graham, Simon White, Jack Silvagni.
Foll: Andrew Phillips, Bryce Gibbs, Matthew Wright.
Int: Matthew Kreuzer, Andrejs Everitt, Liam Sumner, Zach Tuohy.

Emg: Jed Lamb, Liam Jones, Mark Whiley.

In: Andrejs Everitt.

Out: Charlie Curnow (Knee)


Hawthorn

B: Taylor Duryea, James Frawley, Ben Stratton.
HB: Luke Hodge, Josh Gibson, Grant Birchall.
C: Isaac Smith, Sam Mitchell, Bradley Hill.
HF: Luke Breust, Jack Gunston, Brendan Whitecross.
F: James Sicily, Ben McEvoy, Cyril Rioli.
Foll: Jonathon Ceglar, Jordan Lewis, Shaun Burgoyne.
Int: Kaiden Brand, Will Langford, Jonathan O'Rourke, Tim O'Brien.

Emg: Dallas Willsmore, Blake Hardwick, Kurt Heatherley
 
If we had some idea how to kick goals, I'd be a lot happier. But with 1 key forward, who couldn't get a kick last week, our forward power does not impress.
Ceglar and McEvoy usually dine out on our rucks and we don't usually tag Mitchell, with unsurprising results.
Unfortunately, as one key forward, he won't get many marks or kicks as the opposition will double and triple team him, especially with slow movement of the ball.  Unless you're a real gun forward, like Fev, the key forward will struggle and for many will hurt their confidence. This is issue is more to do with structure and team selection as it is with the key forward. If we had two then the defence would have to spread to cover them you might see Casboult get up the ground more take a defender or two with him. That would open up the 50 to allow our smaller blokes space to run and kicks some goals. Results mid year proved that to be the case as compared to results early in the year with one key forward where we couldn't kick a goal or win a game. This week a chance to sort that by playing an extra key forward to replace C.Curnow and we choose Everitt. More important we have two key forwards than two ruckmen, who can't play forward and generally don't do anything when off the ball.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Robblues on July 28, 2016, 07:46:20 pm
Says a lot about the futures of Jones and KJ at CFC.
Not sure the word future and those names mentioned should be in the same sentence, might be all over red rover for them. It would have been an opportunity to have a last look at Jones , seems to have deserved his chance in the NB's.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on July 28, 2016, 07:52:50 pm
6 from 7 with two key forwards, zero from 10 without.

You keep repeating that but that doesn't make it correct.  We won four games with Jones and Casboult as key forwards, including the Port game where Casboult effectively played no part.

Our two other wins were with one key forward and two ruckmen.  That's not counting Everitt, White and Walker as key forwards and one would be very generous to do so.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Robblues on July 28, 2016, 07:56:34 pm
Might be the first time in 50 yrs we don't have a Carlton Player kicking 20 goals in a season , that was hard to type....
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on July 28, 2016, 07:56:47 pm
Says a lot about the futures of Jones and KJ at CFC.

Perhaps it's just maintaining the forward structure that Bolton has preferred for most of the season; one key forward, one resting ruckman and a third tall.

I would have preferred to see Jones in the 22 but my views clearly don't align with those of the MC  ;)
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on July 28, 2016, 07:58:30 pm
Might the first time in 50 yrs we don't have a Carlton Player kicking 20 goals in a season , that was hard to type....

Wright isn't far off  :)
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on July 28, 2016, 08:07:28 pm
Wow...our gun Full Forward might have been under our noses all the along...Simon White will jag a lazy 5 this match....better grab a flight down for the match to witness this in person...pfft :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I'm scratching my head with selection tbh, I went along to the NBs game last week and I'm staggered that Everitt is in ahead of Jones, Everitt was mincing around going half arsed one hand out at contests, Jones hit every contest hard and was clearly best forward on the ground...let me say it again, absolutely staggered!
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on July 28, 2016, 08:29:00 pm
Not sure the word future and those names mentioned should be in the same sentence, might be all over red rover for them. It would have been an opportunity to have a last look at Jones , seems to have deserved his chance in the NB's.

My point exactly RB. Jones must be wondering what he has to do if all reports of his recent NB performances are right.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Robblues on July 28, 2016, 09:45:53 pm
Well Cookie , might be as the jungle drums are tapping bye bye Jonesie
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crashlander on July 28, 2016, 09:57:14 pm
Jones (8 goals from 5 games), Everitt (15 goals from 11 games) and Armfield (12 goals from 10 games) are the only Carlton players this season to average more than 1 goal per game. Jones has the highest average goals per game for the season, in fact: 1.6 goals per game.

I don't know which of these numbers scares me most. It says we have no idea how to kick goals.

Wright has 16 goals from 17 games: 4th place. He and Gibbs have he most goals of any Blue this season.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Robblues on July 28, 2016, 10:21:50 pm
Bring back FEV reckon he could still win the goal kicking at Carlton if he started this week. Stats are certainly sad Crash , goals still win matches , funny our match committee don't see it that way
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on July 28, 2016, 11:05:00 pm
Jones (8 goals from 5 games), Everitt (15 goals from 11 games) and Armfield (12 goals from 10 games) are the only Carlton players this season to average more than 1 goal per game. Jones has the highest average goals per game for the season, in fact: 1.6 goals per game.

I don't know which of these numbers scares me most. It says we have no idea how to kick goals.

Wright has 16 goals from 17 games: 4th place. He and Gibbs have he most goals of any Blue this season.

Well, we do have the second lowest 'points for' in the comp!

We have had 27 players kick goals this season and I think that must be a pretty good spread.  Only a few players are significantly down on previous years: Tuohy, Everitt, Casboult and we had Tommy Bell with 17 and Hendo with 10 last year while Judd, Ellard and Carrazzo managed nine between them.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crashlander on July 29, 2016, 08:31:18 am
Well, we do have the second lowest 'points for' in the comp!

We have had 27 players kick goals this season and I think that must be a pretty good spread.  Only a few players are significantly down on previous years: Tuohy, Everitt, Casboult and we had Tommy Bell with 17 and Hendo with 10 last year while Judd, Ellard and Carrazzo managed nine between them.
I can but hope that the NextGen forwards we have can improve on these sad figures.

Without looking at the stats, I assume the lowest scorers are either Essendon or Brisbane. I would not like to be in their shoes. I would rather be in our position.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: madbluboy on July 29, 2016, 08:46:39 am
Jones (8 goals from 5 games), Everitt (15 goals from 11 games) and Armfield (12 goals from 10 games) are the only Carlton players this season to average more than 1 goal per game. Jones has the highest average goals per game for the season, in fact: 1.6 goals per game.

I thought it was just a Malthouse thing if you kicked goals you were out?
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Professer E on July 29, 2016, 09:51:12 am
Playing Everitt against the Hawks in Tassie?

At least we'll be able to find him after he disappears on Saturday- he'll need a boarding pass to get back home.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 29, 2016, 12:03:51 pm
Jones, Everitt, White, Armfield, Gorringe etc etc...not really a plethora of goalkicking quality you could put your house on....Bolton could play anyone down forward and it really wont impact much on our future...we are just playing out the season and getting ready for the trade and draft period....
Hawks probably wont be that interested anyway and be in second gear most of the game...I'd rather we played Gowers, DVR etc and see if they have anything to offer before they get flicked....
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Raydan on July 29, 2016, 12:29:43 pm
Game is a sell out
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on July 29, 2016, 12:31:14 pm
Game is a sell out

Are you going?
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Raydan on July 29, 2016, 01:39:35 pm
Yep, wasn't too sure with all the weather going crazy down here but it looks OK tomorrow afternoon so got my ticket today at 10. and they said then there was only 30 gen admin left which were all gone by 11.30
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: BluePhantom on July 29, 2016, 02:08:45 pm
Jones, Everitt, White, Armfield, Gorringe etc etc...not really a plethora of goalkicking quality you could put your house on....Bolton could play anyone down forward and it really wont impact much on our future...we are just playing out the season and getting ready for the trade and draft period....
Hawks probably wont be that interested anyway and be in second gear most of the game...I'd rather we played Gowers, DVR etc and see if they have anything to offer before they get flicked....
Its probably better to play the seasoned boys against the Dawks EB.
I would hate for a bright eyed junior be put on his arse (illegally) and ruin his attack on the ball cause he is now worried about footsteps.
We are still not quite there for protecting the flock.
Next few games would be better for those types of players to step in.
I had an unusual feeling last week that we would go close and have a similar feeling for this game as well.
Just hope umpiring is fair and we have no passengers.
Go Blues.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: bratblue on July 29, 2016, 02:50:09 pm
It will be interesting to see how they initiate Silvagni.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: malo on July 29, 2016, 03:23:39 pm
Yep, wasn't too sure with all the weather going crazy down here but it looks OK tomorrow afternoon so got my ticket today at 10. and they said then there was only 30 gen admin left which were all gone by 11.30

Hopefully the "Tassie" Hawthorn supporters are outnumbered again....that'd be hilarious
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Professer E on July 29, 2016, 03:49:27 pm
Easy, they hurt one of ours we hurt two of theirs.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on July 29, 2016, 04:28:54 pm
Yep, wasn't too sure with all the weather going crazy down here but it looks OK tomorrow afternoon so got my ticket today at 10. and they said then there was only 30 gen admin left which were all gone by 11.30

Looking forward to your observations.
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: townsendcalling on July 30, 2016, 12:52:16 pm
Rioli out of today's game.  We have no change. 
Title: Re: Rd 19: Pre Game Prayers: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: mina1 on July 30, 2016, 12:57:33 pm
no cyril or puopolo need to stop gunston and mitchell we are a chance