Gather round against the locals on a Thursday night. Not my favourite idea of spending a game, but we need to revenge ourselves for last year. Badly.
North took it up to us, and I believe the Crows will be more willing in the contest. They have the tools to knock us over.
North took it up to us, and I believe the Crows will be more willing in the contest. They have the tools to knock us over.
We have the tools to knock EVERYONE over, anytime, anywhere. Walsh, Chugger back as a minimum, Adelaide are a good outfit but don't have the class to outmatch us (on our day). NM are as hard at it as anyone and we match it for 1 qtr at least. If we could do that longer combined with the talent we have on all the lines, we will be hard to beat. By Voss's own admission, the first 2 and last quarters are not who we are.
Voss said in the press conference that Walsh, Acres and Kennedy will be playing against the Crows. McGovern will also be playing - they took him off today as a preventative measure only but he is ok. This means 3 players need to be dropped. Which 3?
I think it will be Honey, Ed Curnow, Carroll and sub LOB. Adelaide is fast so I think Fisher will be a starter
Crows knocked us over last time because they intimidated and bullied us at the contest. Walker and Fogarty walked through our tackles, and we had some of their midfield kids pushing us around.
It was disgraceful bruise free footy and we owe them...so anyone who won't chase, tackle and put the body on the line need not apply this week because I'd expect the Crows to dish up the same stuff as last time.
Crows knocked us over last time because they intimidated and bullied us at the contest. Walker and Fogarty walked through our tackles, and we had some of their midfield kids pushing us around.
It was disgraceful bruise free footy and we owe them...so anyone who won't chase, tackle and put the body on the line need not apply this week because I'd expect the Crows to dish up the same stuff as last time.
And this is what I alluded to earlier, they will be more willing in the contest.....and then what? That will be the real test for Carlton, can we absorb and then break them? I still have my doubts. Adelaide are $2.31 on Sportbet, I am tempted to take that. At least if we lose I can still have a small win.
Interesting snippet in something I read (and I should have taken note of where I read it - I can’t find it now). Apparently, the fastest Carlton players against North were Young and Honey with speeds of 33km/h and 32 km/h and change respectively. Of course, it isn’t clear that every player was wearing a GPS tracker. And this is just a maximum speed stat. A midfielder perhaps would concentrate more on gut running rather than flat out sprinting while a full back would need to hit maximum speed to close the gap on a leading forward. But it does suggest I should reappraise Lewis Young. My thumbnail sketch of him has been that he’s tall and a good mark but he isn’t all that mobile compared with someone like Liam Jones. But maybe he is just as nimble. I guess that raises the question of their comparative accelerations from a standing start, and that goes beyond a maximum speed stat.
Interesting snippet in something I read (and I should have taken note of where I read it - I can’t find it now). Apparently, the fastest Carlton players against North were Young and Honey with speeds of 33km/h and 32 km/h and change respectively. Of course, it isn’t clear that every player was wearing a GPS tracker. And this is just a maximum speed stat. A midfielder perhaps would concentrate more on gut running rather than flat out sprinting while a full back would need to hit maximum speed to close the gap on a leading forward. But it does suggest I should reappraise Lewis Young. My thumbnail sketch of him has been that he’s tall and a good mark but he isn’t all that mobile compared with someone like Liam Jones. But maybe he is just as nimble. I guess that raises the question of their comparative accelerations from a standing start, and that goes beyond a maximum speed stat.
I think we did very well in getting Lewis Young across. I have a good feeling he will be a long term player for us, a real 'Mr. Dependable' in the coming years. Not sure what happens if we do end up with Ben McKay. That is a lot of tall timber for the back-line.
Crows knocked us over last time because they intimidated and bullied us at the contest. Walker and Fogarty walked through our tackles, and we had some of their midfield kids pushing us around.
It was disgraceful bruise free footy and we owe them...so anyone who won't chase, tackle and put the body on the line need not apply this week because I'd expect the Crows to dish up the same stuff as last time.
That little twerp Shoenberg was throwing his weight around iirc. He's one that deserves his comeuppance for starters!
I think we did very well in getting Lewis Young across. I have a good feeling he will be a long term player for us, a real 'Mr. Dependable' in the coming years. Not sure what happens if we do end up with Ben McKay. That is a lot of tall timber for the back-line.
Ben McKay at the club is a good thing.
Weiters, Ben and Young are very good below their knees
Three talls and three small/medium is a good mix.
Gov is 190cm and is more suited to half back flank intercepting. Will release Gov to launch attacks with Saad and Doc
Interesting snippet in something I read (and I should have taken note of where I read it - I can’t find it now). Apparently, the fastest Carlton players against North were Young and Honey with speeds of 33km/h and 32 km/h and change respectively. Of course, it isn’t clear that every player was wearing a GPS tracker. And this is just a maximum speed stat. A midfielder perhaps would concentrate more on gut running rather than flat out sprinting while a full back would need to hit maximum speed to close the gap on a leading forward. But it does suggest I should reappraise Lewis Young. My thumbnail sketch of him has been that he’s tall and a good mark but he isn’t all that mobile compared with someone like Liam Jones. But maybe he is just as nimble. I guess that raises the question of their comparative accelerations from a standing start, and that goes beyond a maximum speed stat.
100% Mav, Lewis clocked a max speed of 33.3km/h according to the Telstra tracker on the AFL mobile app. Pretty quick for a 200cm KPD.
That little twerp Shoenberg was throwing his weight around iirc. He's one that deserves his comeuppance for starters!
You have a good memory Cookie, I was thinking about Schoenberg too and he had this annoying grin on his face.
Fogarty is another one who reminds me of Zurhaar who puffs out his chest and wants to be the tough guy, as I said we need players who are prepared to meet these fockers head on and put them in their place for now and the future.
You have a good memory Cookie, I was thinking about Schoenberg too and he had this annoying grin on his face.
Fogarty is another one who reminds me of Zurhaar who puffs out his chest and wants to be the tough guy, as I said we need players who are prepared to meet these fockers head on and put them in their place for now and the future.
The best punishments for these types is at the end of the game being on the losing team.
The best punishments for these types is at the end of the game being on the losing team.
Whilst at the same time sporting a few scars and bruises. 🤪
You have a good memory Cookie, I was thinking about Schoenberg too and he had this annoying grin on his face.
Fogarty is another one who reminds me of Zurhaar who puffs out his chest and wants to be the tough guy, as I said we need players who are prepared to meet these fockers head on and put them in their place for now and the future.
I tend not to forget humiliations EB, and that game certainly was one for us.
The best punishments for these types is at the end of the game being on the losing team.
Im old fashioned Baggers...the best punishment for players like Zurhaar is to get knocked out and wake up seeing birdies like in a 3 stooges skit.....they are low IQ bullies who only know one way and will only respect you when you go to their level and feed them their type of medicine they like to dish out.
eg Wayne Johnston started off a very frail and fair outside player at Prahran in the VFA but when he arrived in the AFL and copped a few sly ones he changed his spots and became a mongrel because that was the only way to deal with the " kents"(borrowed that term off GTC) who were going to target him.
I want to see Walker, Fogarty, Schoenberg and if he wasnt suspended McAdam subdued this week with some dont argues, savage tackles and shirtfronts all legal of course.
I tend not to forget humiliations EB, and that game certainly was one for us.
Yep...the old Gold Carlton teams would have memory banked that loss and come out next time and made a statement.
Thats when you know you are supporting a real football team who mean business and want success.
I once experienced the circling stars and birdsong in one rugby game I played back in the day. Copped the knee of a very lanky winger right on the point of the jaw. Didn't recover properly all day. I was told it was accidental but it didn't make me feel any better.
Adelaide looking pretty good against Freo. They have one less day to recover than us, but also don't have to travel. I reckon they are starting to build belief, and this will be a big test for our boys.
They look OK.
This won't be easy...and our best chance is if the players go in with that attitude.
I once experienced the circling stars and birdsong in one rugby game I played back in the day. Copped the knee of a very lanky winger right on the point of the jaw. Didn't recover properly all day. I was told it was accidental but it didn't make me feel any better.
Had a similar experience when I got deliberately punched in the eye while in a rebounding contest in basketball....had the birdies circling and was seeing three of everything. The three managers I was seeing of the team told me the clubs Insurance will cover me for any medical costs as I sat on the bench which didnt do much for my eye or my temper as I wanted to clock the little SOB that clocked me on the court. He avoided me at the end of the game not that I could have seen him properly anyway as my eye looked like an over inflated basketball. I found out later it was payback for one of my best mates doing something to him in another game and my mate had sustained a broken leg in a early season game and wasnt playing so he thought if he whacked me it was good enough retribution...
" kents"(borrowed that term off GTC)
I hereby grant ongoing permission to use said terminology.😀
Strong ground ball team and solid defence.... interesting top eight contest.
I hereby grant ongoing permission to use said terminology.😀
Royalty Cheque is in the mail.....👍😉
Harry has copped a week for the contact with Cheezel. That would mean they’ve assessed it as careless, medium impact and head high. If he challenges it and it’s downgraded to careless, low impact and head high, it would be a fine. Surely we appeal?
And of course Zurhaar’s strike to Cerra’s eye that must surely have been at least careless, medium impact and head high is ticked off.
Harry has copped a week for the contact with Cheezel. That would mean they’ve assessed it as careless, medium impact and head high. If he challenges it and it’s downgraded to careless, low impact and head high, it would be a fine. Surely we appeal?
And of course Zurhaar’s strike to Cerra’s eye that must surely have been at least careless, medium impact and head high is ticked off.
Similar to Zurhaar’s on Cerra, Harry also coped a punch in the head in the 1st I think in an attempted spoil. I think they have gone off charging blokes who make high contact that way.
The media pick and choose who gets done, interesting to hear Dimma bleating tonight, he's not happy they have turned on him, but he's one of the main reasons it is the way it is, he made the system and now it's biting the hand that fed it!
Zurhaar can hand out a right cross hit to the face no replay not consequence, BigH gets a slow motion moment by moment analysis, done like a dinner.
Our biggest problem this season, the AFL and the media want to the Aints!
The media pick and choose who gets done, interesting to hear Dimma bleating tonight, he's not happy they have turned on him, but he's one of the main reasons it is the way it is, he made the system and now it's biting the hand that fed it!
Zurhaar can hand out a right cross hit to the face no replay not consequence, BigH gets a slow motion moment by moment analysis, done like a a dinner.
Our biggest problem this season, the AFL and the media want to the Aints!
Mate H was stupid and deserves a week. If his forearm connected with his jaw in the right spot that could have been real nasty. If Zurhaar did that to Hollands you'd be singing a different tune.
I feel like our best will be a comfortable win against this mob regardless what they can bring. Our best is better simple as that.
While I’m not convinced with our midfield or even our forwards synergy but I now have no doubts out back 6 are as strong as any going around. Weitering is a star who is rarely beaten and Young is very much under rated, and now a very capable
2nd tall defender. Newman has improved a lot and is now a reliable lock down small defender and then when you add in the intercepting McGovern and Doc and Saad who are as good as you are going to get as running flankers our back 6 is solid on every line imo.
If we can get our midfield singing and Walsh’s inclusion this week will help we will be a very hard team to score against.
Crows are playing well but still don’t rate them. Many experts had them in the bottom 4 before the season started.
We should and will take care of business again even if Harry doesn’t play.
Blues by 30
I have 4 tickets to this but unfortunately we can’t get to Adelaide.
2 adults 1 concession 1 junior - through our membership.
I can’t work out how to ‘return them’ and it may be too late.
Anyone in SA wanting them? Happy to send them to you, no charge.
I feel like our best will be a comfortable win against this mob regardless what they can bring. Our best is better simple as that.
While I’m not convinced with our midfield or even our forwards synergy but I now have no doubts out back 6 are as strong as any going around. Weitering is a star who is rarely beaten and Young is very much under rated, and now a very capable
2nd tall defender. Newman has improved a lot and is now a reliable lock down small defender and then when you add in the intercepting McGovern and Doc and Saad who are as good as you are going to get as running flankers our back 6 is solid on every line imo.
If we can get our midfield singing and Walsh’s inclusion this week will help we will be a very hard team to score against.
Crows are playing well but still don’t rate them. Many experts had them in the bottom 4 before the season started.
We should and will take care of business again even if Harry doesn’t play.
Blues by 30
My concern is their forwards, one big (no problems with that big oaf) but the smalls could be a worry. Rankine, Rachele, Soligo and the prick who dined out on us last time Keys. Do your homework well this week Vossy and co.
We set up well behind the ball. Our defence is pretty good imo.
Desperately need our mids fit and firing together and need them to build cohesion going into the bye.
Adelaide a very good side or Freo are just hopeless not sure yet.
So, how does our forward line look without H for this game against the Croweaters? Who comes in for him?
I'd be tempted to ask Pitto to ruck far more and put TDK at CHF. I just don't think we have a 'ready made' tall forward in the Magoos to slot in, in H's place. Kemp would have been a possibility but he's being groomed more as an intercept defender. Thoughts? Possibilities?
Tdk to go full forward.
Get Charles up around the arc as he can kick big bombs.
Mirkov in to help Pittonet? Don't know much about the Camry Cows ruck division.
Harry should play anyway, the contact was very light. It just looked a lot worse than it was. A fine would be suitable. Bring in the Kings Counsel for this one.
There was certainly alot worse during the game.
The Cow's Sigilo should get a game for touching an ump. If that was a Carlton player it would be an instant 2 weeks.
So, how does our forward line look without H for this game against the Croweaters? Who comes in for him?
I'd be tempted to ask Pitto to ruck far more and put TDK at CHF. I just don't think we have a 'ready made' tall forward in the Magoos to slot in, in H's place. Kemp would have been a possibility but he's being groomed more as an intercept defender. Thoughts? Possibilities?
Two rucks, TDK fwd as you say. I'd make Kemp the Sub, Gov can go fwd if there is a injury and Kemp can go back. Our small fwds (Durdin Motlop) need to be ON for us to win.
We set up well behind the ball. Our defence is pretty good imo.
Desperately need our mids fit and firing together and need them to build cohesion going into the bye.
Adelaide a very good side or Freo are just hopeless not sure yet.
Both are crape, we should win easy....
Tdk to go full forward.
Get Charles up around the arc as he can kick big bombs.
Mirkov in to help Pittonet? Don't know much about the Camry Cows ruck division.
Harry should play anyway, the contact was very light. It just looked a lot worse than it was. A fine would be suitable. Bring in the Kings Counsel for this one.
There was certainly alot worse during the game.
The Cow's Sigilo should get a game for touching an ump. If that was a Carlton player it would be an instant 2 weeks.
Riley O'Brien is a decent ruckman and they use Thilthorpe who is a KP forward in the main as their backup.
TDK is more suited to O'Brien imo who is very mobile and more your modern get involved with general play more type ruck.
Danger game!
They are up and running, playing at home, while we are just going.
Danger game!
They are up and running, playing at home, while we are just going.
But we are winning. Like every game thus far, we need to find a way in game.
Riley O'Brien is a decent ruckman and they use Thilthorpe who is a KP forward in the main as their backup.
TDK is more suited to O'Brien imo who is very mobile and more your modern get involved with general play more type ruck.
So why should we play to their strengths?
Go with plan A, Pittonet and adapt if required from there.
Need to bring defence from our forwards ,must stop ADL linking up from our fwd line and running tho ball out ( think Coll ) .
Jordan Dawson might need a bit of attention.....27 possies at 96% DE vs Freo.....thats insane.
Kane Cornes expects the medium impact assessment to be downgraded to low impact and the penalty will therefore be a fine only: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/09/why-cornes-expects-key-blue-to-have-striking-ban-downgraded/ (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/09/why-cornes-expects-key-blue-to-have-striking-ban-downgraded/).
Kane Cornes expects the medium impact assessment to be downgraded to low impact and the penalty will therefore be a fine only: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/09/why-cornes-expects-key-blue-to-have-striking-ban-downgraded/ (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/09/why-cornes-expects-key-blue-to-have-striking-ban-downgraded/).
Ill be shocked if they down grade it.
Jordan Dawson might need a bit of attention.....27 possies at 96% DE vs Freo.....thats insane.
I watched the game, he couldn't miss a target if he tried😂
Soligo won't be playing until after the mid season bye
Soligo can accept a $1500 fine with an early plea of guilty to a charge of making contact with the goal umpire. Unless there’s an injury that isn’t common knowledge, he’ll be playing against us.
Ill be shocked if they down grade it.
I'll be shocked if they don't. There was not much in it, and they'll need all high contact at the MRO if Harry goes for this one which means zurhaar should end up with weeks for 2 fend off's, and Harry collected a shiner in the first quarter and his opponent should go for that too.
I'll be shocked if they don't. There was not much in it, and they'll need all high contact at the MRO if Harry goes for this one which means zurhaar should end up with weeks for 2 fend off's, and Harry collected a shiner in the first quarter and his opponent should go for that too.
High fend offs are free kicks, attempted spoils which contact the head are rarely reportable these days.
And yet high fend offs are very dangerous. They carry as much risk of CTE as any punch to the head aggregated over time. But the more immediate danger is of damage to the trachea. That can be life-threatening if it blocks the airway but short of that it can create difficulties speaking. We’ve all heard Terry Wallace’s raspy voice - that’s what happened to him.
The problem is that the fend off has to be a sudden brutal heel strike as high on the body as possible - close to where the clavicle meets the neck. Any tackler needs to keep his chin down to protect his neck, just as a boxer does. That means the gap between the intended target and the head is quite small and it’s a moving target. If bumps should be punished if there’s head-high contact even if that wasn’t the bumper’s intention, then why should strikes to the face as a consequence of a dangerous fend off be ignored? They should be dealt with in the same way.
The other problem is that guys like Zurhaar are probably happy enough when they give away a free for a heel strike to the face. It’s sending a message to future tacklers that they shouldn’t mess with him.
High fend offs are free kicks, attempted spoils which contact the head are rarely reportable these days.
point being that a punch in the spoiling action to the back of the head would easily have caused more grief than Harry's tickle on sheezel.
Maybe I should have said Larynx rather than Trachea? Dom Sheed was sent to hospital after getting an elbow to the larynx at training and Simpson said he sounded like Darth Vader: West Coast Eagles coach Adam Simpson says Dom Sheed sounded like ‘Darth Vadar’ after throat whack, Perth Now. (https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/darth-vader-sheed-adds-to-west-coast-injury-woes-c-10279896)
Maybe I should have said Larynx rather than Trachea? Dom Sheed was sent to hospital after getting an elbow to the larynx at training and Simpson said he sounded like Darth Vader: West Coast Eagles coach Adam Simpson says Dom Sheed sounded like ‘Darth Vadar’ after throat whack, Perth Now. (https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/darth-vader-sheed-adds-to-west-coast-injury-woes-c-10279896)
Ed Curnow copped an injury from Dusty a few years ago.
point being that a punch in the spoiling action to the back of the head would easily have caused more grief than Harry's tickle on sheezel.
Point being is I agree with you 1000% but those you mentioned didn't get cited and its not a conspiracy.
I'm just filthy that in the Gather round (which don't forget is a 23rd game for everyone this season) we cop a rampant Adelaide on their own patch in front of 50,000 screaming croweaters.
Hawthorn or West Coast down at Norwood would have been far more amenable.
Soligo can accept a $1500 fine with an early plea of guilty to a charge of making contact with the goal umpire. Unless there’s an injury that isn’t common knowledge, he’ll be playing against us.
WTF? :o
It has never been a serious charge. The only guy who was ever reamed over it was Greg Williams who was suspended for 9 weeks by the fill-in when Jack Gaffney was on holidays. Rather than admit the work experience guy messed up, the AFL fought tooth and nail to avoid admitting the error. And then there was Toby who actually did target the umpire which Diesel never did.
It has never been a serious charge. The only guy who was ever reamed over it was Greg Williams who was suspended for 9 weeks by the fill-in when Jack Gaffney was on holidays. Rather than admit the work experience guy messed up, the AFL fought tooth and nail to avoid admitting the error. And then there was Toby who actually did target the umpire which Diesel never did.
Didn't Ed Curnow get pinged for some bul$&@t umpire contact charge a few years ago???
Yep: Ed Curnow banned over AFL umpire contact but brother Charlie escapes, The Guardian. (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/may/17/curnow-brothers-to-face-afl-appeal-board-over-umpire-contact)
I feel like I’m in one of those sci-fi shows where I’ve woken up on another planet Earth in the Multiverse and things aren’t quite the same. Did that really happen only 5 years ago and I have no recollection of it? Did a guy named Jed Lamb really play for Carlton? I might just go for a lie down.
The young Crow should only get a fine, no malicious intent - match suspensions are overkill for that.
Yea Jed Lamb, have seen him at a few Carlton games as a spectator over the past year or so 👌🏼
Soligo grabbed an umpire, how's he get away with that? Toby Greene says hi.
The young Crow should only get a fine, no malicious intent - match suspensions are overkill for that.
If you look closely, Soligo was imploring the ump to pay his soccer goal, and nudged him accordingly. Dangerous precedent been set here.
Soligo grabbed an umpire, how's he get away with that? Toby Greene says hi.
Actually, Toby says 'get out of my f***in' way'........
I hope the boys make a game of it this week.
We have a history of heading to Adelaide and not showing up.
Many a game has been a waste of time and quite frankly embarrassing.
This is a great game and a great time to make a statement.
The Cows will see they are a chance against us BUT we a no longer brittle!
Just go in with the RIGHT mindset boys. >:D
No Prisoners,
GO BLUES.
I hope the boys make a game of it this week.
We have a history of heading to Adelaide and not showing up.
Many a game has been a waste of time and quite frankly embarrassing.
This is a great game and a great time to make a statement.
The Cows will see they are a chance against us BUT we a no longer brittle!
Just go in with the RIGHT mindset boys. >:D
No Prisoners,
GO BLUES.
Yep, give 'em a nasty shock. 👿
Hopefully 3 big guns back with Walsh, Kennedy and Acres.
Hopefully 3 big guns back with Walsh, Kennedy and Acres.
Nothing hopeful about Walsh and Kennedy, they will be back. Acre with his pec strain is the only unsure one.
Fairly reliable source just told me that you can expect Docherty to be injured for 6 weeks with a meniscus tear.
Yep: Ed Curnow banned over AFL umpire contact but brother Charlie escapes, The Guardian. (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/may/17/curnow-brothers-to-face-afl-appeal-board-over-umpire-contact)
I feel like I’m in one of those sci-fi shows where I’ve woken up on another planet Earth in the Multiverse and things aren’t quite the same. Did that really happen only 5 years ago and I have no recollection of it? Did a guy named Jed Lamb really play for Carlton? I might just go for a lie down.
Haven't read the article, but if memory serves, both curnow brothers got done for umpire contact around the same time, potentially even in the same game.
I think we challenged both, and only 1 got off.
Fairly reliable source just told me that you can expect Docherty to be injured for 6 weeks with a meniscus tear.
Yep, CFC tweet just now. 4 - 6 weeks.
Yep, CFC tweet just now. 4 - 6 weeks.
Plowman or Cincotta ?
Fairly reliable source just told me that you can expect Docherty to be injured for 6 weeks with a meniscus tear.
Dang. A good defender who can also play as a good mid. Not easy to find a like for like replacement.
Yep, CFC tweet just now. 4 - 6 weeks.
Fark!
Plowman or Cincotta ?
Cincotta I suspect... where is Boyd at?
Plowman or Cincotta ?
Surely we have moved past plowman. Only time I would maybe consider him is If we lost Newman as we have no small defender option but he is no replacement for the role doc plays.
Is too shaky with one on ones and makes too many costly mistakes under pressure and doesn’t have the leg speed the running defender position requires.
Acres imo is a much better option for docs role.
Dang. A good defender who can also play as a good mid. Not easy to find a like for like replacement.
Cerra and Hewett played in defence to allow Docherty midfield time against GWS and North. Hewett was OK but Cerra was very good. With Walsh, Kennedy and probably Acres coming back, losing Docherty is perhaps not as critical as it normally would be. I’d prefer him to be out there though.
Will the selectors bring in a defender or make do with midfielders that can play back?
Surely we have moved past plowman. Only time I would maybe consider him is If we lost Newman as we have no small defender option but he is no replacement for the role doc plays.
Is too shaky with one on ones and makes too many costly mistakes under pressure and doesn’t have the leg speed the running defender position requires.
Acres imo is a much better option for docs role.
Watching Plowman in the magoos made me think that the way he was playing was very like Docherty’s role.
There must be some unwritten rule that to leave the rehab group you have to find somebody to take your place.
Surely we have moved past plowman. Only time I would maybe consider him is If we lost Newman as we have no small defender option but he is no replacement for the role doc plays.
Is too shaky with one on ones and makes too many costly mistakes under pressure and doesn’t have the leg speed the running defender position requires.
I think Plowman has suffered because of the roles he has been required to play for team balance. He is too easily out-bodied against taller forwards which has led to too many holding the man penalties. He has also been required to play defensive clean up to allow other defenders to play more attacking roles.
Is much better suited to a HB role, which might be an option is Guv stays fit.
Is a better player than he is given credit for.
Gov as running half back to replace Doc
Kemp to replace Gov.
No to Plow.
I was initially thinking that Newman should be given the job on Izzy Rankine, given his excellent performance on Toby Greene. But I'm wondering if Rankine may be too slippery for him, and maybe Saad should play on him instead ?
I was initially thinking that Newman should be given the job on Izzy Rankine, given his excellent performance on Toby Greene. But I'm wondering if Rankine may be too slippery for him, and maybe Saad should play on him instead ?
You want Saad to be able to play with his usual anticipation and dash. Can he do that if he’s trying to stick with a slippery customer?
Maybe Cerra on Rankine?
I guess that’s why Vossy and co are paid well to come up with the tactics and matchups 🙂
Cincotta I suspect... where is Boyd at?
Still injured i think. Or at best, returning to full training/VFL.
Either way, not (match) fit enough.
No to Saad on Rankine.
We need someone to stifle him.
If Saad plays that role we lose his drive.
Give Newman first crack.
Cowan???
You want Saad to be able to play with his usual anticipation and dash. Can he do that if he’s trying to stick with a slippery customer?
Maybe Cerra on Rankine?
I guess that’s why Vossy and co are paid well to come up with the tactics and matchups 🙂
I was just thinking this may be one of those situations where Saad may have to sacrifice part of his game for the benefit of the team, as many players do in the course of the season. Rankine is in super form at the moment. Maybe Newman will do a great job, and it won't come to that.
I was just thinking this may be one of those situations where Saad may have to sacrifice part of his game for the benefit of the team, as many players do in the course of the season. Rankine is in super form at the moment. Maybe Newman will do a great job, and it won't come to that.
I’m sure Saad would happily sacrifice his running game if asked but I suspect that the team would suffer.
Newman is probably our best lockdown defender but is he quick enough to go with Rankine? Probably yes, if he gets good support from our mids and fellow defenders. I do think that Cerra would be good too.
Cincotta could be an option but I don’t think we’ll bring in anyone other than Walsh, Kennedy and Acres. Cincotta could be the sub 🤔
I think Plowman has suffered because of the roles he has been required to play for team balance. He is too easily out-bodied against taller forwards which has led to too many holding the man penalties. He has also been required to play defensive clean up to allow other defenders to play more attacking roles.
Is much better suited to a HB role, which might be an option is Guv stays fit.
Is a better player than he is given credit for.
Fair comments but they are speculative at best.
Plowman is old Carlton, the same Carlton that was a laughing stock for too long - he cracks under pressure and because he is so used to losing like many of his team mates its ingrained in him - have to move past him and stop going to the well when we already know what we are getting and its simply not good enough if we are really competing for a top 8 position this year.
Feel the same about Dow, Martin, Marchbank, Cunningham and probably LOB and Williams - All these players fit into 2 groups. Can play but their body lets them down time and time again or just havent come on.
Most will be gone at years end IMO and i prefer to invest in blokes like Cincotta, Kemp and Boyd when he comes back. Guys were willing to put a line through Boyd after 5 games yet want to give a player like Plowman another chance.
No for me and reckon Voss thinks the same.
Totally speculative and 'out of left field' thinking but....
how about Corey Durdin as the Rankine match-up.
Woods says it's fair the impact be graded medium.
"When you take momentum and positioning that I've gone through, the momentum and positioning, meant there was real potential to cause a serious injury to Sheezel," Woods said.
He suggests there's a risk of a neck injury or concussion.
"It could easily have been, accidentally, slightly higher and Sheezel could have sustained a concussion. Thankfully that didn't happen. They're clear and present risks.
"It's appropriate, given what guidelines, that it should be medium, due to the nature and extent the action risked."
The above is from AFL website from the AFL council in the McKay case. Think it will stand by the sounds of it.
What a joke the AFL are at times like this. So now in this situation they are grading a collision on 'potential to cause damage' That is completely at odds with previous rulings.
They just cop and change things as it suits them
Take off the navy glasses and look at the incident.
A 200cm+ 100kg+ player hit a player in the head with 2 forearms after running at him.
There was no ducking from the player, he should not have been expecting that type of contact and was unprotected at the time.
1 week every day of the week.
No i don't like it, i'd prefer Harry be out there this week, but i definitely understand it and think it is just.
Take off the navy glasses and look at the incident.
A 200cm+ 100kg+ player hit a player in the head with 2 forearms after running at him.
There was no ducking from the player, he should not have been expecting that type of contact and was unprotected at the time.
1 week every day of the week.
No i don't like it, i'd prefer Harry be out there this week, but i definitely understand it and think it is just.
Yep
Tend to agree.
I'll be surprised if he gets it reduced.
He's crossed his arms and contacted him high.
A week is sad, but fair.
Take off the navy glasses and look at the incident.
A 200cm+ 100kg+ player hit a player in the head with 2 forearms after running at him.
There was no ducking from the player, he should not have been expecting that type of contact and was unprotected at the time.
1 week every day of the week.
No i don't like it, i'd prefer Harry be out there this week, but i definitely understand it and think it is just.
The MC rated it as medium impact which it is clearly not. Look at the Charlie Ballard case - More severe than Harry's and it was downgraded to low impact as it didnt cause damage.
If you have a process that is what all cases are rated by you cant chop and change them to suit your inconsistency.
Based on the fact Sheezel jumped straight up the hit must be graded at low. Simple as that.
Harry was clumsy and 'could' have caused major damage but the reality is thankfully he didnt. Has to be given a fine based on that.
If we are going to suspend players based on the damage they could potentially cause with and action there will be lot of playing missing most weeks. Zurhaar's deliberate push to the head of Cerra could cause a serious eys injury or a little lower and you end up with what happened to Ed Curnow. Can't start rubbing blokes out based on the action - has to be graded on both what the action was and also the result of the action.
Our case relies on the fact that Harry pushed Sheezel and did not strike him. That’s how I saw the incident and it will be a travesty if Harry doesn’t get off.
Our case relies on the fact that Harry pushed Sheezel and did not strike him. That’s how I saw the incident and it will be a travesty if Harry doesn’t get off.
Just seen it replayed on tv and I agree with you 100%!
Think we used up all our MRP luck last year with Cripps. Can't see us getting another let off like that again for many moons
So the two sling tackles have suspensions attached - good. The knee in the ruck was the same result as TDK - good (at least being consistent)
Jeremy Cameron - nothing for smashing an umpire? Not good (or I just can't find it).
McKay incident was nothing in it. These collisions happen 100x in the coal face in a match. Hit him on the shoulder first anyway
McKay incident was nothing in it. These collisions happen 100x in the coal face in a match. Hit him on the shoulder first anyway
Spot on. And there was no damage so if they are consistent it has to be graded as low impact. Blues defence has called up previous cases to highlight how Harrys charge has to be downgraded to low.
Reduced to a fine...so there you go.
Free to play.
Reduced to a fine...so there you go.
Free to play.
They had no option but to downgrade it. Correct Decision.
We are going to miss Docherty this week. And for more weeks. Doc has been in our best players every week since his return from cancer.
As for H, he is lucky. Has to use his brain next time.
Harry’s good to go 👍🏼
Yep, reducing the impact to low was the obvious result.
Harry’s good to go 👍🏼
Could be the start of a great week.
' Stuck it up em'
Yep, reducing the impact to low was the obvious result.
It might have been obvious, from the way Sheezel got up, if nothing else, but that doesn't mean it was smart. H has to think.
On the other hand, it could have been a sling tackles and got him 4 weeks. I'm glad we're not that thick!
Harry’s good to go 👍🏼
OMG :o
Reduced to a fine...so there you go.
Free to play.
What! The AFL are not going to reem Carlton and make an example of one of our players.
Gee they are getting soft. :o
Times are a changing!
Great result and the right result but surely Christian has to go. You can’t continually get things wrong and just keep on trucking.
I think that most supporters agree that ‘the head is sacrosanct’ but just want consistency from the MRO. The same goes for umpire contact; it’s got to be a fine at the very minimum and a suspension if it’s deliberate or malicious.
What! The AFL are not going to reem Carlton and make an example of one of our players.
Gee they are getting soft. :o
Times are a changing!
It's as random as a poorly maintained chook wheel.
I'm glad the club is maintaining some consistency. I hope big H has a blinder.
Soligo grabbed an umpire, how's he get away with that? Toby Greene says hi.
Answer: he's not Toby Green.
Totally farcical flawed system making a fool of itself.
Well there you go, I thought they wouldn't downgrade it to Low, obviously I was completely wrong. Worth contesting in the end.
Yep, reducing the impact to low was the obvious result.
'Obvious' and 'MRP decisions' do not go hand in hand.
Personally, i can't stand the outcome based 'logic' used in the decision making.
If he hit Justin Koschitske, he would've been given life without parole for the same action.
Its either allowed or its not.
If it came out now that Sheezel had some delayed concussion, or a small fracture in the jaw, do the AFL get to appeal the MRP decision based on the outcome being harsher than first thought?
From a pure action point of view, it was ugly and not something you want to be showing the kiddies out there.
So the two sling tackles have suspensions attached - good. The knee in the ruck was the same result as TDK - good (at least being consistent)
Jeremy Cameron - nothing for smashing an umpire? Not good (or I just can't find it).
Jeremy's collision with the umpire was 100% accidental, and he borderline gave the bloke a hug afterwards.
Jeremy's collision with the umpire was 100% accidental, and he borderline gave the bloke a hug afterwards.
I thought he gunna slip in the tongue…
Jeremy's collision with the umpire was 100% accidental, and he borderline gave the bloke a hug afterwards.
I'd say that close to all collisions with an umpire are accidental. Far easier and more excusable to make a mistake while navigating a stoppage and 10+ players than to recklessly strut around the ground grandstanding to the crowd and not having the smarts to see there is an umpire in the way. Based on careless and force I'd say he should have got weeks. What if he had actually injured the umpire...
Sure it looked a bit comical and they were 'mates' afterwards but too bad I say.
Intent is important.
Toby Greene's umpire contact was contemptuous and he wanted to hurt him.
Jezza didn't.
There is the clear distinction. The outcome of an action isn't the defining factor of anything but how it happens is extremely important.
I've seen blokes tunnelling in a marking contest and play waived on.
Zurhaar on the weekend twice did the high fend off which is becoming a theme. Ed curnow needed a steel plate fitted to his larynx after an incident like that. This is the crap they need to stamp out. Not an over zealous celebration or lazy arms causing a collision.
IN: Acres, M Kennedy, Walsh
OUT: Carroll, Honey, L O'Brien, Docherty
IN: D Fogarty, Pedlar
OUT: Schoenberg, Gollant, McHenry
Pretty much as expected
Pretty much as expected
Yep
Plowman is an emergency after his excellent game in the twos. I reckon he’ll be the sub.
With the obvious exception of Doc, that’s a serious injection of talent and grunt 🙂
IN: Acres, M Kennedy, Walsh
OUT: Carroll, Honey, L O'Brien, Docherty
IN: D Fogarty, Pedlar
OUT: Schoenberg, Gollant, McHenry
Almost strongest team on paper for the year - maybe when Doc gets back 4-6 weeks.
Not expecting much from Walshy he will be lacking match fitness. But watching this bloke over the past four years wouldnt surprise if he picks up 35 touches 5 tackles 8 clearances and kicks two goals. But yeah -expecting more from George
Plowman is an emergency after his excellent game in the twos. I reckon he’ll be the sub.
I reckon he should be. For the first time in years he is actually fit, confident and in form. Cowan may be the future, but Plow is knocking and knocking hard.
Backs: Lewis Young Jacob Weitering Adam Saad
Half-backs: Nic Newman Mitch McGovern Lachie Cowan
Centreline: Adam Cerra Patrick Cripps Ollie Hollands
Half-forwards: Zac Fisher Harry McKay Jack Silvagni
Forwards: Ed Curnow Charlie Curnow Jesse Motlop
Followers: Tom De Koning George Hewett Sam Walsh
Interchange: Blake Acres Corey Durdin Matthew Kennedy Marc Pittonet
Emergencies: Jack Carroll Josh Honey Lochie O'Brien Lachie Plowman
George Hewett has been struggling the last 2 weeks and has been clearly affected by his hand injury. Definitely not the sort of form he was showing before the injury. Hopefully he can come back to form this week - we need him at his best.
I hope Kennedy and Walsh are ready to go. Both have had pretty limited preparations.
Lochie O'Brien needs game time in the VFL. Let him get 30+ possessions there for a couple of weeks before he gets another try, because he certainly isn't in great form. Mind you, his 2nd half last week was a big improvement over anything else he's done this year. In the first half he got the ball, but his decision making was terrible.
For that matter, I hope Jack Silvagni has been practicing his kicking. In the first half last week his miskicks let to 5 North Melbourne scores. He got the ball well, but his disposal was dreadful. Then he lifted, like the others in the third term and he could do no wrong, but again in the last a poor kick to a dangerous spot cost us a goal. He can't afford that regularly, even if he is the heart of the team.
Almost strongest team on paper for the year - maybe when Doc gets back 4-6 weeks.
Not expecting much from Walshy he will be lacking match fitness. But watching this bloke over the past four years wouldnt surprise if he picks up 35 touches 5 tackles 8 clearances and kicks two goals. But yeah -expecting more from George
Yes, except for Doc, that has to be our strongest team. Blokes like Kemp, Plowman, Owies, Martin, Marchbank, Cottrell and Cuningham wouldn’t necessarily weaken the team, but they wouldn’t make it any stronger either.
I think that Walsh may spend more time as a forward than in the midfield but I wouldn’t be surprised if he racks up the stats you suggest 🙂
With the obvious exception of Doc, that’s a serious injection of talent and grunt 🙂
Yep three good ins and Doc a sad out....Crows have gone with the theme from their last win against by including Fogarty and Pedlar who are physical types and Im expecting another ugly game.
Blues by 27 points....Charlie to kick a bag and Cripps BOG.
Yep three good ins and Doc a sad out....Crows have gone with the theme from their last win against by including Fogarty and Pedlar who are physical types and Im expecting another ugly game.
Blues by 27 points....Charlie to kick a bag and Cripps BOG.
I’m glad I’m not in a tipping competition; it’s too hard to read form and comparative strengths.
I know that we’ve never won at this ground, and Adelaide did a number on us last time we met, but we’re not defined by the past. The Crows have a strong team but, if we’re on, we should win comfortably.
I’m glad I’m not in a tipping competition; it’s too hard to read form and comparative strengths.
I know that we’ve never won at this ground, and Adelaide did a number on us last time we met, but we’re not defined by the past. The Crows have a strong team but, if we’re on, we should win comfortably.
I just stick with the fundamental's and in this case the Adelaide football club are fundamentally no good and I expect to win but I think it will be one of those games where we get dragged down to their mediocre level for a while until we match them for effort and then our greater talent prevails.
This team selected is probably the best we have chosen on paper all year minus Docherty and I cant think of too many reasons why we would lose.
Walsh has surprised and surpassed expectations at every step, 0 to 100 instantly and BoG won't come as a shock!
Game day!
Come on boys, make sure you rock up with the right mind set ready to play. >:D >:D >:D
Didn't realise it was Fisher's 100th game.
I’m glad I’m not in a tipping competition; it’s too hard to read form and comparative strengths.
I know that we’ve never won at this ground, and Adelaide did a number on us last time we met, but we’re not defined by the past. The Crows have a strong team but, if we’re on, we should win comfortably.
We have however won plenty of games in Adelaide in the past.
Yes, the Croweaters have a strong team, at home and everything to play for in terms of them launching the Adelaide round. Plenty of motivation.
Just the sought of challenge we need, knowing we are really up against it. We won't be going into this game like last year's game against the Croweaters... more likely how we went into last year's games against top sides. Our consistent best will win this game, an inconsistent effort and we're in trouble.
Im expecting a loss tonight.
The competition is part of the entertainment industry, and a win to Adelaide makes it much tighter competition.
Didn't realise it was Fisher's 100th game.
Congratulations Fish, have a night out!
We have a bevy of players who should notch up their 100th games this season; Cerra, McGovern, Charlie and Harry. Walsh and Kennedy will have to wait until the start of next season.
Apart from the milestone, that suggests that we have a significant part of our list at the peak of their powers.
We have however won plenty of games in Adelaide in the past.
But we have never won at Adelaide Oval, that's a wrong Voss needs to right tonight. Adelaide are up and about and really fancy themselves against us. This week and next will prove if we are fairdinkum or not. I heard an interesting comment on the radio this morning, it was stated we have been winning via talent, Adelaide and St Kilda have been winning with a system.
Like Thry, I am hoping for a win and expecting a loss purely because of how inconsistently we have been playing. Whilst it has been a positive (ie winning despite playing inconsistently), if we keep that up for any longer we will get knocked more than we win.
Doc aside we have our BEST side possible on the ground.
Piss or Get off the Pot.
Congratulations Fish, have a night out!
We have a bevy of players who should notch up their 100th games this season; Cerra, McGovern, Charlie and Harry. Walsh and Kennedy will have to wait until the start of next season.
Apart from the milestone, that suggests that we have a significant part of our list at the peak of their powers.
And hence why this week and next week, we either silence the doubters (me included) or we hand them the pitchforks, straw and matches.
We have however won plenty of games in Adelaide in the past.
Yes, the Croweaters have a strong team, at home and everything to play for in terms of them launching the Adelaide round. Plenty of motivation.
Just the sought of challenge we need, knowing we are really up against it. We won't be going into this game like last year's game against the Croweaters... more likely how we went into last year's games against top sides. Our consistent best will win this game, an inconsistent effort and we're in trouble.
According to Kruddler's "Voss's objectives", we haven't won an away game against Adelaide since 2010. It's time we changed that!
According to Kruddler's "Voss's objectives", we haven't won an away game against Adelaide since 2010. It's time we changed that!
And tonight's the night! Go Blues 😎👍
Apart from Doc, probably our best team. About time our luck changed and we get down to under 10 on the Injured List.
IF we are going to be up there this year, we need to win these games.
Just hope Vossy has them fired up. scoreboard pressure will stop the saliva spewing out.
Blues by 27 :)) :)) :))
Any Team, Any Where, Any Time!
Any Team, Any Where, Any Time!
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I wouldn't be surprised if there's a late change....Plowman into the 22 for maybe Ed. As it stands there's really only 6 defenders....having one more for rotations might help unless Ed is a dedicated tagger.
Plowman may be the sub.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a late change....Plowman into the 22 for maybe Ed. As it stands there's really only 6 defenders....having one more for rotations might help unless Ed is a dedicated tagger.
With Docherty spending most of the game in the midfield, we have gone with six defenders plus Cerra (GWS) and Hewett (North) playing mainly in defence. I think we'll continue that approach.
Plowman as the sub would provide an option to stiffen the defence if Cerra/Hewett doesn't work.
With Docherty spending most of the game in the midfield, we have gone with six defenders plus Cerra (GWS) and Hewett (North) playing mainly in defence. I think we'll continue that approach.
Plowman as the sub would provide an option to stiffen the defence if Cerra/Hewett doesn't work.
Plowman like Dow seems to be one of those "too good for 2s not good enough for 1s" type players. I'm sorry but if we are asking him to perform a defensive role on a dangerous fwd, forget it. He panics, makes mistakes and gives away frees in dangerous parts the ground. If necessary, I think he would be better suited to a run-with role in the midfield or as a negating half forward. I think his footy brain is good, disposal is okish, but inside the oppositions F50? No way.
Plowman like Dow seems to be one of those "too good for 2s not good enough for 1s" type players. I'm sorry but if we are asking him to perform a defensive role on a dangerous fwd, forget it. He panics, makes mistakes and gives away frees in dangerous parts the ground. If necessary, I think he would be better suited to a run-with role in the midfield or as a negating half forward. I think his footy brain is good, disposal is okish, but inside the oppositions F50? No way.
I think if we have to contrive a role for him then he is better off at another club, for mine he plays where he usually plays and if he cant handle it he doesnt play seniors. Type of player who needs a challenge IMO, if we had massive injuries I could see him lifting and picking up the slack and being the good Plowman but in a team going ok and him not having to be too accountable or getting a bit too inventive if played up the ground then we will see the bad Plowman.
I think if we have to contrive a role for him then he is better off at another club, for mine he plays where he usually plays and if he cant handle it he doesnt play seniors. Type of player who needs a challenge IMO, if we had massive injuries I could see him lifting and picking up the slack and being the good Plowman but in a team going ok and him not having to be too accountable or getting a bit too inventive if played up the ground then we will see the bad Plowman.
The bad Plowman is generally the result of his teammates overcommitting or being unaccountable. The way our backline is playing now should ensure that we see the good Plowman.
I’m not entirely writing off Plowman finding another role but I suspect that he will play as a defender or in the magoos.
Honey the Sub
Honey the sub is a weird one for me.
Honey the sub is a weird one for me.
Probably working on the idea he can provide some X factor and kick a goal if we are struggling . He has never been a 4 quarter player even at U18 level.
Honey the sub is a weird one for me.
I think its about speed, I think the Crows will show us up for speed.
Watching the news and pregames, its sure all about Adelaide at the minute. We MUST silence the crowd early, start is critical here.
McGovern late out
McGovern late out
FArk, that's gonna hurt...alot.
Plow in.
Good luck Plow - durable and in form.
Need to move on from Gov....