This week the 2's play on Friday night at 19:05 at Ikon Park against Richmond.
Our emergency players should be available, as the senior game will be over. Not sure that is the case for Richmond.
I must admit, I don't know why we schedule so many night games for us. We have played our worst football at night in the last couple of years.
Mirkov, for example, whom we depend on to get first use of the ball, has played this worst games at night. {His best games have been on nice, sunny days on dry surfaces.)
I must admit, I don't know why we schedule so many night games for us. We have played our worst football at night in the last couple of years.
Mirkov, for example, whom we depend on to get first use of the ball, has played this worst games at night. {His best games have been on nice, sunny days on dry surfaces.)
I'd rather our VFL players play at night. Could help them transition into night time footy for the ones.
I'd rather our VFL players play at night. Could help them transition into night time footy for the ones.
Although there's a hell of a difference between a night game at Princes Park and playing under lights at the MCG, Docklands or the major interstate grounds.
Opportunities for everyone.
B D.Akeui S.Durdin T.Leui
HB L.McMahon B.Kemp A.Cincotta
C J.Binns L.Fogarty L.O'Brien
HF J.Carroll H.Lemmey B.Crocker
F Lachie Swaney B.Kuipers B.Ronke
R Alex Mirkov P.Dow P.Dozzi
Int. H.O'Keeffe H.Ramshaw N.Cahill
L.Parks M.Moschetti
A lot for everyone to play for.
Wish I could say otherwise, but... Dominic A doesn't look like it. Sadly.
Cincotta giving plenty of drive should be close to a call up.
Dows form deserves recognition for some AFL time.
Kemp is a better intercept player than Plowman.
Wouldn't mind seeing Fogarty recalled in the forward line.
Half Time 37 to 30
Dow a lazy 18 to half time.
Is this on anywhere? I read it’s on Kayo but not finding it.
Is this on anywhere? I read it’s on Kayo but not finding it.
https://www.afl.com.au/afl-tv/stream?streamId=State League CH1&player=arILJvH9PY
Tall Durds is doing okay as well...
Cincotta 34 disposals, Dow 27. Bins was OK, Durds Solid, Our Ruckman are all in hospital with leather poisoning.
I was a low scoring affair with lots of behinds in the second half. Blues win by 9 pts.
I thought Kemp was very good again.
Akui had some good moments.
Dow was good as usual. He got sandwiched in q4. Looked like head involved to me. Hopefully not and he's ok.
LoB kicked a nice late running goal. Ronke is very handy.
Wish I could say otherwise, but... Dominic A doesn't look like it. Sadly.
sadly he would likely be going better in another clubs system.
I dont know how the pies do it. Every player they bring in seems to be even at worst a vanilla flavoured contributor that makes good decisions and is a good athlete/competitor. We haven't turned a prospect into a player since zach tuohy.
Watched the reserves and actually found it to be slightly depressing given we struggled to beat a no-name Richmond side at home.
Sam Durdin was probably our best and is a solid backup if one of Young or Weitering were to get injured.
Other than that it’s Dow, Obrien, Kemp, Carroll and Cincotta, however the last three of that list continue to make a lot of mistakes that would directly result in goals at AFL level, so unfortunately there’s not a lot to turn to this week.
Whilst not like for like, it will be interesting to see if they finally give Dow a go ahead of Honey, Curnow or Fisher.
Lemmey, Binns, Akuei, Mirkov seem to be a way off, but all could develop into very good players.
sadly he would likely be going better in another clubs system.
I dont know how the pies do it. Every player they bring in seems to be even at worst a vanilla flavoured contributor that makes good decisions and is a good athlete/competitor. We haven't turned a prospect into a player since zach tuohy.
Owies?
That was a very undermanned, inexperienced Richmond outfit and for all the AFL experience and high numbers of some individuals, we still couldn't put them away. Don't read too much into the form line from this one..... I could have got a kick out there. More positives for Tigers.
That was a very undermanned, inexperienced Richmond outfit and for all the AFL experience and high numbers of some individuals, we still couldn't put them away. Don't read too much into the form line from this one..... I could have got a kick out there. More positives for Tigers.
Yes agreed, I found it very disappointing.
At AFL / VFL level Nthmond are functionally ruckless and rudderless at the moment and we struggled to assert any dominance whatsoever.
Watched the reserves and actually found it to be slightly depressing given we struggled to beat a no-name Richmond side at home.
Sam Durdin was probably our best and is a solid backup if one of Young or Weitering were to get injured.
Other than that it’s Dow, Obrien, Kemp, Carroll and Cincotta, however the last three of that list continue to make a lot of mistakes that would directly result in goals at AFL level, so unfortunately there’s not a lot to turn to this week.
Whilst not like for like, it will be interesting to see if they finally give Dow a go ahead of Honey, Curnow or Fisher.
Lemmey, Binns, Akuei, Mirkov seem to be a way off, but all could develop into very good players.
What a depressing read! The cupboard is really bare.
Watched the reserves and actually found it to be slightly depressing given we struggled to beat a no-name Richmond side at home.
Sam Durdin was probably our best and is a solid backup if one of Young or Weitering were to get injured.
Other than that it’s Dow, Obrien, Kemp, Carroll and Cincotta, however the last three of that list continue to make a lot of mistakes that would directly result in goals at AFL level, so unfortunately there’s not a lot to turn to this week.
Whilst not like for like, it will be interesting to see if they finally give Dow a go ahead of Honey, Curnow or Fisher.
Lemmey, Binns, Akuei, Mirkov seem to be a way off, but all could develop into very good players.
I watched the last few mins of the second qtr and all of the second half, I didn't get any of your doom and gloom.
Senior Listed Players were:
D.Akeui S.Durdin B.Kemp A.Cincotta J.Binns L.Fogarty L.O'Brien J.Carroll H.Lemmey Alex Mirkov P.Dow H.O'Keeffe
I thought all did fairly well in a tight contest. Standouts where Mirkov Durdin Cincotta Kemp Fog. Dow and Binns were next in line, LOB Started off well then dropped off disposal quality wise for mine.
Completely dominated the match and scoreline didnt reflect the dominance,
Forward line was a shambles considering the 66 to 44 inside 50 dominance,
I watched the last few mins of the second qtr and all of the second half, I didn't get any of your doom and gloom.
Senior Listed Players were:
D.Akeui S.Durdin B.Kemp A.Cincotta J.Binns L.Fogarty L.O'Brien J.Carroll H.Lemmey Alex Mirkov P.Dow H.O'Keeffe
I thought all did fairly well in a tight contest. Standouts where Mirkov Durdin Cincotta Kemp Fog. Dow and Binns were next in line, LOB Started off well then dropped off disposal quality wise for mine.
Id like to see Cincotta and Fogarty as ins this week....
Didn't Cunners play last week??
Id like to see Cincotta and Fogarty as ins this week....
Cincotta definitely, would really like to see Dow given a crack. Cannot be worse the Honey or Plowman.
Didn't Cunners play last week??
He missed last week and missing two weeks in a row suggests that his shoulder isn't right ... or he's injured something else.
I watched the last few mins of the second qtr and all of the second half, I didn't get any of your doom and gloom.
Senior Listed Players were:
D.Akeui S.Durdin B.Kemp A.Cincotta J.Binns L.Fogarty L.O'Brien J.Carroll H.Lemmey Alex Mirkov P.Dow H.O'Keeffe
I thought all did fairly well in a tight contest. Standouts where Mirkov Durdin Cincotta Kemp Fog. Dow and Binns were next in line, LOB Started off well then dropped off disposal quality wise for mine.
I watched the entire game and we really should have won by a lot more.
Durdin, Kemp and Cincotta were great in defence and I think that we would have done better on Thursday night with Kemp in for McGovern and Cincotta for Docherty. Both deserve promotion, as does Durdin, but Weitering and Young aren't going anywhere.
Dow was good and played more accountable footy. The problem is that already have too many midfielders playing similar footy.
Binns was good too and I wouldn't mind seeing him have a run in the ones. Perhaps Hollands could do with a freshen up. Fogarty was very good. He is a smart footballer who creates opportunities and makes the most of them. He would have to be pushing hard to displace one of Fisher, Durdin and Motlop. O'Brien's best was good but he's still making too many skill errors and/or poor decisions. Another week in the magoos for him.
Mirkov didn't have much opposition but you can only play against the blokes the other mob puts on the park. I reckon he'd be worth a run if Pitto doesn't get up.
Lemmey and O'Keeffe both did some good things and I think they've both got potential. Akeui is a conundrum; he looks a million dollars then fumbles a simple mark. His teammates certainly aren't reluctant to kick to him suggesting that he is a lot surer at training. Perhaps it's confidence ... or playing at night.
Carroll did some nice things but he needs to do a lot more of them!
I watched the entire game and we really should have won by a lot more.
Durdin, Kemp and Cincotta were great in defence and I think that we would have done better on Thursday night with Kemp in for McGovern and Cincotta for Docherty. Both deserve promotion, as does Durdin, but Weitering and Young aren't going anywhere.
Dow was good and played more accountable footy. The problem is that already have too many midfielders playing similar footy.
Binns was good too and I wouldn't mind seeing him have a run in the ones. Perhaps Hollands could do with a freshen up. Fogarty was very good. He is a smart footballer who creates opportunities and makes the most of them. He would have to be pushing hard to displace one of Fisher, Durdin and Motlop. O'Brien's best was good but he's still making too many skill errors and/or poor decisions. Another week in the magoos for him.
Mirkov didn't have much opposition but you can only play against the blokes the other mob puts on the park. I reckon he'd be worth a run if Pitto doesn't get up.
Lemmey and O'Keeffe both did some good things and I think they've both got potential. Akeui is a conundrum; he looks a million dollars then fumbles a simple mark. His teammates certainly aren't reluctant to kick to him suggesting that he is a lot surer at training. Perhaps it's confidence ... or playing at night.
Carroll did some nice things but he needs to do a lot more of them!
Very similar thoughts, David. If we were serious we'd give Fogarty a gig and give Fisher some Magoo time to regain touch - runs around a lot but not much happens. Kemp and Cincotta would both have to be a Monty. Although highly unlikely, I would like to see Dow get a run, he does have something that most of our other mids don't - breakaway speed and hits the scoreboard.
Been saying for weeks to play Fogarty, he isn't stylish but tackles well and is a honest blue collar player who would be handy vs the Stkilda Dockers ....
Been saying for weeks to play Fogarty, he isn't stylish but tackles well and is a honest blue collar player who would be handy vs the Stkilda Dockers ....
IIRC, when he debuted for us, he got bit of the ball and was a very straight kick for goal.
Been saying for weeks to play Fogarty, he isn't stylish but tackles well and is a honest blue collar player who would be handy vs the Stkilda Dockers ....
Slow, not a great user of the ball.
If a player runs into him, you're ok.
If a player is running away from him, wave goodbye.
He reminds me of a few good VFL players like Adam Bentick that can't make the step up to the big leagues work due to lack of physical attributes.
Slow, not a great user of the ball.
If a player runs into him, you're ok.
If a player is running away from him, wave goodbye.
He reminds me of a few good VFL players like Adam Bentick that can't make the step up to the big leagues work due to lack of physical attributes.
His contribution is likely to be better than Fisher's. No point in having terrific leg speed if you can't tackle and/or get the aggot. His tackles stick, and hits the scoreboard. Deserves a go.
His contribution is likely to be better than Fisher's. No point in having terrific leg speed if you can't tackle and/or get the aggot. His tackles stick, and hits the scoreboard. Deserves a go.
Been plenty of terrific footballers over the journey with average leg speed.
Slow, not a great user of the ball.
If a player runs into him, you're ok.
If a player is running away from him, wave goodbye.
He reminds me of a few good VFL players like Adam Bentick that can't make the step up to the big leagues work due to lack of physical attributes.
Also can't kick it very far either. He's an honest trier who can't do much. It's like owies with less tricks.
IIRC, when he debuted for us, he got bit of the ball and was a very straight kick for goal.
Yep, been under valued like Kennedy was and I think we have a decent player who could help us in a few areas.
Hopefully we don't keep ignoring him and he gets an opportunity...
Also can't kick it very far either. He's an honest trier who can't do much. It's like owies with less tricks.
I beg to differ Thry.
Fogarty is a midfielder who can go forward. He’s good in traffic and generally manages to get his kick away and hit a target. He may not be as effective a forward as Owies but he has a more expansive bag of tricks. Owies reads the play well, makes good position and generally finishes well. Fogarty wins his own ball and creates opportunities for his teammates.
I think that Fogarty would take Fish’s spot if any. We would lose some speed but Fish didn’t put his jets to good use on Thursday.
We can't make the side any slower if we want to challenge.
Horses for courses...Stkilda are playing the old Freo footy, you need contested players who can stick and break tackles.
If you are playing Port or the Pies etc you need running power...
I think that Fogarty would take Fish’s spot if any. We would lose some speed but Fish didn’t put his jets to good use on Thursday.
Thing about comments like this though, is its based off when Fisher has the ball, or his direct opponent does.
What about the other 95% of the time?
What about when he is running to fill some space?
What about when he is running to man up a loose player?
What about when he is running after his opponent making a lead?
Speed is used all throughout the game, most of the time when you DON'T have the ball.
I beg to differ Thry.
Fogarty is a midfielder who can go forward. He’s good in traffic and generally manages to get his kick away and hit a target. He may not be as effective a forward as Owies but he has a more expansive bag of tricks. Owies reads the play well, makes good position and generally finishes well. Fogarty wins his own ball and creates opportunities for his teammates.
I think that Fogarty would take Fish’s spot if any. We would lose some speed but Fish didn’t put his jets to good use on Thursday.
agree to disagree DJC.
Fogarty is a player i think won't get very far and who's best just simply isn't good enough.
I'd you want a body that can go forward and plays committed footy, Carroll has him covered and he needs to do more.
agree to disagree DJC.
Fogarty is a player i think won't get very far and who's best just simply isn't good enough.
I'd you want a body that can go forward and plays committed footy, Carroll has him covered and he needs to do more.
Everyone talks up Carroll, I have seen nothing from him that suggests he is AFL std.
Also can't kick it very far either. He's an honest trier who can't do much. It's like owies with less tricks.
I remember commenting several years ago about Fogarty's inability to kick further than 35 to 40 metres at best and how that meant he had to bomb the ball on to the heads of our forwards.
Has his distance kicking improved since then?
Thing about comments like this though, is its based off when Fisher has the ball, or his direct opponent does.
What about the other 95% of the time?
What about when he is running to fill some space?
What about when he is running to man up a loose player?
What about when he is running after his opponent making a lead?
Speed is used all throughout the game, most of the time when you DON'T have the ball.
That’s true, but you have to be effective. Fish was very effective against North and got plenty of the ball to go with his defensive efforts. Against Adelaide, Fish was ineffective; he didn’t pressure the ball carrier, he didn’t get in positions to intercept or block leads, he didn’t pick up loose players, he didn’t make up enough ground to cover for teammates who were out of position, but he did spend a lot of time running behind opposition ball carriers.
Not that he was Robinson Crusoe …
agree to disagree DJC.
Fogarty is a player i think won't get very far and who's best just simply isn't good enough.
I'd you want a body that can go forward and plays committed footy, Carroll has him covered and he needs to do more.
We’ll have to disagree about Carroll too; he should have a bright future but he was barely sighted against Richmond.
Carroll has a long way to go to get close to the footy Fogarty produced on Friday. He really should be demanding a spot in the 22 by dominating in the magoos.
We can't make the side any slower if we want to challenge.
If we think quick and act quickly and decisively... we'll look quick.
If we think quick and act quickly and decisively... we'll look quick.
You guys overestimate fogarties abilities.
You guys overestimate fogarties abilities.
I have absolutely no illusions about Fogs limited abilities. I think the argument here is that he is in very good form and at his best, limits and all. Whereas we've got more talented blokes playing in the seniors who are, however, in poor form and not deserving of a senior gig. We've (CFC) often said that we will reward good form in the Magoos and blokes in the seniors will have to earn their place. This does not appear to be happening.
You guys overestimate fogarties abilities.
An Alfa Romeo he isn't but sometimes an old HiAce van is what you need to do the job ..
From what I've seen in VFL this season Fogarty is consistently giving us more of what we need than Cunningham, but if he can get back to his best Cunningham has a whole other gear, but it doesn't show at the moment.
On form we perhaps made a mistake playing Honey ahead of Fogarty, but I can understand because of Honey's potential upside. Fogarty was probably a better choice of replacement for Owies, but I don't think Fogarty will ever be as physical as Owies. How can the coaches put together a similar cake with different ingredients?
At the moment we lack good form, we have been scraping through against teams that are good but also not in good form, it showed Thursday night.
An Alfa Romeo he isn't but sometimes an old HiAce van is what you need to do the job ..
And sometimes, any farken car that doesn't break down will do.
Fogarty is a tough nugget under the packs - not everyone needs to be a game breaker. Fisher isn't playing his role and need to reward players that could replace him and do a better job.
Just on Carroll, you guys know he's 20 right?
Just on Carroll, you guys know he's 20 right?
So is Nick Daicos
Here is a list of every 20 year old in fact. There are a quite a few who are regulars in their sides and making an impact.
20 YEARS OLD
Conor Stone, Elijah Hollands, Zane Trew, Domanic Akuei, Isiah Winder, Nathan O'Driscoll, Luke Pedlar, Carter Michael, Will Phillips, Tanner Bruhn, Kaine Baldwin, Jacob Bauer, Marc Sheather, Karl Worner, Cameron Fleeton, Eddie Ford, Seamus Mitchell, Riley Thilthorpe, Dominic Bedendo, James Borlase, Brayden Cook, Errol Gulden, Tariek Newchurch, Shannon Neale, Oliver Henry, Josh Treacy, Blake Coleman, Deakyn Smith, Max Holmes, Maurice Rioli, Jake Bowey, Henry Smith, Aiden Begg, Cody Raak, Brandon Walker, Max Heath, Jye Menzie, Tyler Brockman, Jacob Edwards, Jack Ginnivan, Ryan Angwin, Reef McInnes, Sandy Brock, Harry Sharp, Jack Carroll, Nick Daicos, Oliver Dempsey, Josh Sinn, Mitch Knevitt, Jackson Archer, Connor MacDonald, Miller Bergman, Jake Soligo, Tyler Sonsie, Arlo Draper, Zac Taylor, Ned Long, Lachie Rankin, Sam Butler, Oskar Faulkhead, Dante Visentini, Jai Serong, Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Jai Culley, Cooper Whyte, Paul Curtis, Brady Hough, Matthew Johnson, Taj Woewodin, Sam Banks, Josh Gibcus, Blake Howes, Josh Rachele, Jacob Van Rooyen, Max Ramsden
So is Nick Daicos
Here is a list of every 20 year old in fact. There are a quite a few who are regulars in their sides and making an impact.
20 YEARS OLD
Conor Stone, Elijah Hollands, Zane Trew, Domanic Akuei, Isiah Winder, Nathan O'Driscoll, Luke Pedlar, Carter Michael, Will Phillips, Tanner Bruhn, Kaine Baldwin, Jacob Bauer, Marc Sheather, Karl Worner, Cameron Fleeton, Eddie Ford, Seamus Mitchell, Riley Thilthorpe, Dominic Bedendo, James Borlase, Brayden Cook, Errol Gulden, Tariek Newchurch, Shannon Neale, Oliver Henry, Josh Treacy, Blake Coleman, Deakyn Smith, Max Holmes, Maurice Rioli, Jake Bowey, Henry Smith, Aiden Begg, Cody Raak, Brandon Walker, Max Heath, Jye Menzie, Tyler Brockman, Jacob Edwards, Jack Ginnivan, Ryan Angwin, Reef McInnes, Sandy Brock, Harry Sharp, Jack Carroll, Nick Daicos, Oliver Dempsey, Josh Sinn, Mitch Knevitt, Jackson Archer, Connor MacDonald, Miller Bergman, Jake Soligo, Tyler Sonsie, Arlo Draper, Zac Taylor, Ned Long, Lachie Rankin, Sam Butler, Oskar Faulkhead, Dante Visentini, Jai Serong, Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Jai Culley, Cooper Whyte, Paul Curtis, Brady Hough, Matthew Johnson, Taj Woewodin, Sam Banks, Josh Gibcus, Blake Howes, Josh Rachele, Jacob Van Rooyen, Max Ramsden
Not debating there isn't better 20 year olds in the AFL but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a brighter future than some of our other also rans. He turns 21 in December.
Not debating there isn't better 20 year olds in the AFL but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a brighter future than some of our other also rans. He turns 21 in December.
Perhaps
We really need an U21's with our reserves above them. In reality, this would be better for most players coming through. The AFL team would mostly be comprised of the 24 yrs and up with superstar 'kids' occasionally gaining promotion. By then, you know who is dedicated and potentially has the physical durability to survive.