All ready for tomorrow. Hopefully we can get the result we want.
What a pounding!
Carlton 23 - 14 - 152
Weagles 6 - 8 - 44
Our biggest win for years!
Cripps had 6 kicks! 33 possessions, 8 tackles and 8 clearances!
Acres had 34 possessions; 10 marks and 4 clearances.
Nic Newman: 34 possessions across half back; 14 marks and 5 tackles!
George Hewett: 32 possessions, 8 tackles and 6 clearances!
Sam Walsh: 30 possessions, 10 tackles (!!!), and 2 clearances.
Honey: 8 possessions - he's gone if there is anyone who can replace him.
Corey Durdin: 10 possessions, which is still not really enough.
Mitch McGovern: also pretty quiet, but he got through the game. 10 possessions.
Brodie Kemp: 22 possessions and 13 marks. He might just stay in on that performance.
Cincotta, a lazy 17.
Sign up Cincotta now, he looks a player.
Why has kemp been hiding in the VFL
Great win boys, well done King Charles.
Most impressive. Especially:
DE 78
Eff i50 71
Tackles 83 👀
Cincotta and Kemp are in our best side.
Cincotta and Kemp are in our best side.
Have to be on that performance. Now to back it up against Brisbane.
Next week might be a good chance to take a scalp against a top side. We play Brisbane at home and it looks like Zorko and Rich both picked up strained leg muscles which will keep them out. Touch wood, our injury list is small and we didn’t pick up any new injuries. We just need to find some small defenders to sit on Charlie Cameron and Cam Rayner.
Cincotta and Kemp are in our best side.
They were both fantastic. In fact our backline functioned like a good backline should. Newy is adding more to the side each year.
I wouldnt be reading too much into this game and just take the win and percentage, there was WAFL quality opposition on the park and we did what we had to do.
Next week might be a good chance to take a scalp against a top side. We play Brisbane at home and it looks like Zorko and Rich both picked up strained leg muscles which will keep them out. Touch wood, our injury list is small and we didn’t pick up any new injuries. We just need to find some small defenders to sit on Charlie Cameron and Cam Rayner.
Are you saying we should have stocked up on a few small defenders?....
Yes this big win was against a very unmanned team but carlton teams in the past have still made hard work of games like this so to win like this is still a positive. The better teams crush weak opposition and that’s exactly what we did. It was the kill I think this group of players needed to have.
Let’s hope this builds belief and confidence in the group and we really kick off from here
Apart from our big name players I was very impressed with Cincotta. Tackles with intent and I see a bit of pies Maynard in him and not just the haircut.
Acres ran his ar5e off and actually broke lines which is the player we have been crying for.
Next weeks game will tell us a lot about where we are placed.
Very very happy with the percentage boosting win because our ladder position desperately needed it.
However, we turned the ball over at some very strange times in the match and more times than not under no pressure at all. Had we done that stuff against one of the better teams we would have been given a serious touch-up.
Cincotta & Kemp showed that they have a future in our backline, they are straight ahead no-nonsense sort of players. I can't see them ever being bona-fide A-Graders but they don't have to be. Put those two in with young Cowan and let them all grow together, I think we honestly have something of substance with the the three of them.
Whilst I'm no Pittonet fan, he was pretty good whenever the ball was above his waist, if it ever falls below that level he is next to useless. TDK may be younger and more agile but it showed tonight that Pitto is going to be the preferred option and Tom will be on the trade table.
Curnow had a day out and it was a shame he couldn't get his 10th but that the way it goes. Harry should have kicked another couple but he seems well out of sorts at the moment. It was pretty obvious that we don't have anyone else in the forwardline we can rely on and this is going to be a huge issue for the rest of the season unless someone has a mid-season transformation into Jezza, Fev, Eddie or Sticks.
I thought Cerra & Docherty were good all game & Hollands just keeps doing the basics really well.
Silvagni did bugger all for most of the match as did Cripps. Honey kicked a nice goal and gave off that smart pass to Silvagni but that was about it. Fisher continues to try the impossible and always gets himself into trouble, Walsh hit an Eagles player on the chest by foot more times than I have ever seem him do, hope that is a one-off.
Overall, we comprehensively beat a team we were expected to (and they gave everything they had for 3/4 too) but it doesn't erase or make up for the past two losses which were pathetic & insipid.
Lions next Friday night is going to another litmus test.
If our tall forwards get tied down and struggle to get on score sheet I have very little faith in our small forwards picking up the slack tbh.
I thought Durdin was much better tonight, got up the ground, got involved, it makes a difference.
I thought Durdin was much better tonight, got up the ground, got involved, it makes a difference.
Agree.. think he enjoyed the open spaces and his kicking was good to players on the lead. Playing a bit higher might suit him better..
Are you saying we should have stocked up on a few small defenders?....
No, you didn’t read my post properly. We need small defenders
to sit on Charlie Cameron and Cam Rayner. About the only thing Stocker can sit on is the pine. If you saw the Saints v Port game, can you tell me who he played on? I watched it closely and I’m pretty sure he was a loose/zone defender. As he was against us (if he was playing on Durdin, maybe you can explain why they were never shoulder to shoulder). But I’m sure that sort of observation conflicts with your need to show he would have been a lockdown defender for us.
Looks like we now have Doc, Saad, Newman, Cowan, Kemp, Gov, Cincotta and Boyd available. The trick is to give the task of shutting down Cameron and Rayner to the right guys. Of course, Saad would be able to play man on man with Charlie, but do we lose too much rebound from him?
No, you didn’t read my post properly. We need small defenders to sit on Charlie Cameron and Cam Rayner. About the only thing Stocker can sit on is the pine. If you saw the Saints v Port game, can you tell me who he played on? I watched it closely and I’m pretty sure he was a loose/zone defender. As he was against us (if he was playing on Durdin, maybe you can explain why they were never shoulder to shoulder). But I’m sure that sort of observation conflicts with your need to show he would have been a lockdown defender for us.
Looks like we now have Doc, Saad, Newman, Cowan, Kemp, Gov, Cincotta and Boyd available. The trick is to give the task of shutting down Cameron and Rayner to the right guys. Of course, Saad would be able to play man on man with Charlie, but do we lose too much rebound from him?
Not sure why you keep making Stocker out to be a dud. Yes he looks to have a fitness base that is lacking but he is a tough run straight at the man defender that like him or not has impressed Ross Lyon enough to play him every week. Saints sit 2nd on the ladder and he has played every week in an Important position - the kid is no dud
In regards to this weeks game Rayner will probably get Newman but Cameron is a much harder match up and cameron is impossible to stop
If he gets enough looks and the only hope is to reduce the entries by controlling the game up the field. If Cameron gets enough looks he will carve you up.
No, you didn’t read my post properly. We need small defenders to sit on Charlie Cameron and Cam Rayner. About the only thing Stocker can sit on is the pine. If you saw the Saints v Port game, can you tell me who he played on? I watched it closely and I’m pretty sure he was a loose/zone defender. As he was against us (if he was playing on Durdin, maybe you can explain why they were never shoulder to shoulder). But I’m sure that sort of observation conflicts with your need to show he would have been a lockdown defender for us.
Looks like we now have Doc, Saad, Newman, Cowan, Kemp, Gov, Cincotta and Boyd available. The trick is to give the task of shutting down Cameron and Rayner to the right guys. Of course, Saad would be able to play man on man with Charlie, but do we lose too much rebound from him?
re: Saad...No 1 job for any defender is to defend and stop their man getting the ball, you would sacrifice any rebound to stop Cameron .I think Durdin had 6-7 possies vs the Saints and was unsighted, Stocker could have been sat in the bar at the MCG and wouldnt have had to worry about him. He was better up the ground tonight running and kicking into the forward 50 early but still managed only 10 possies in an avalanche win which wasnt great and is probably lucky Honey is in the team and will get dropped before him for Motlop next week.
Rayner isnt a small forward imo, he would have to be 6'2 and around 90kg and plays a bit like Zurhaar or Rohan and will need a more substantial player on him who can handle him in the air as well as be able to outmuscle him.
Lincoln McCarthy is another smaller/mid type forward but again his forte is marking and will need a competent player in the air.
It's great that we played four quarters and did not ease off giving away junk time goals.
However, we will be punished in the matches coming up if we continue with the turnovers by foot when in attack, even when not under pressure.
Not sure why you keep making Stocker out to be a dud. Yes he looks to have a fitness base that is lacking but he is a tough run straight at the man defender that like him or not has impressed Ross Lyon enough to play him every week. Saints sit 2nd on the ladder and he has played every week in an Important position - the kid is no dud
As we know, Ross Lyon believes in a zone structure that’s quite different to ours. Ideal for Stocker as he doesn’t have a set opponent who can expose his weaknesses. And it’s interesting that the Saints might be 2nd but they’re only 2 points ahead of us. Of course, they’ve also had a lot of injuries and it’ll be interesting to see whether Stocker gives up his spot in the zone as they get back players. But there’s no way Voss would have wanted to give Stocker the task of locking down Charlie Cameron, Cam Rayner or Lincoln McCarthy. It’ll be interesting to see what Lyon does with Stocker when they play the Lions but as that’s in Rd 15, maybe he won’t be in the team by then. A more interesting short-term prospect will be what role Stocker is given in 2 Week’s time against the Crows. Could he be given the job of keeping Rankine or Rachele quiet?
I think Durdin had 6-7 possies vs the Saints and was unsighted, Stocker could have been sat in the bar at the MCG and wouldnt have had to worry about him.
Baby steps are good. You have at last conceded he wasn’t playing on Durdin, which explains why Durdin was 30m away from Stocker when Durdin gathered the ball inside 50 and kicked his goal. Which makes me wonder why you are trying to compare them when they weren’t on each other.
It was great to see a few more players hit the scoreboard. Like MK, Newy, Kemp, and young Hollands.
Baby steps are good. You have at last conceded he wasn’t playing on Durdin, which explains why Durdin was 30m away from Stocker when Durdin gathered the ball inside 50 and kicked his goal. Which makes me wonder why you are trying to compare them when they weren’t on each other.
Stocker played on Durdin as you well know......the latter wouldnt pick him up as he made position down the ground thats why he had double the amount of ball Durdin had. You said Stocker would be dropped for this weeks game after Durdins devastating game , obviously Lyon didnt agree...
Didnt see any of the game, saw the score just then, thats exactly what we had to do. Onto next week.
It's funny to hear supporters and commentators talking about a percentage boosting win. Our percentage will only come into consideration if we end up on equal points with Richmond or any other team that draws a game this season ::)
I think it's more of a confidence boosting win.
And don't fall for the "Weagles are just a WAFL team" story. Despite their injuries, the Weagles are more than capable of knocking off any team in the competition if they're on their game and the opposition isn't switched on. That's the nature of the competition.
Thought McKay did a lot of good things against the lightweight opponents but he seems to go into panic mode too often.
Having said that, I was relieved to note that he seemed more likely to take his time to set up (after taking a mark) to take a set shot for goal than usual - although, it is no wonder his 'round the corner' kicks are so unreliable; he drops the ball from way-high and with little control over the ball drop; the chances of a consistent outcome are random.
I wouldnt be reading too much into this game and just take the win and percentage, there was WAFL quality opposition on the park and we did what we had to do.
Interesting.... I wonder if Melbourne thought the same way, or put it down to being totally ruthless when the opportunity presents.
I wrote this a couple of weeks ago. ;D
With Curnow though, I don't think we've ever seen his best.
I just get the feeling that one day he's going to take a game and abolutely throttle it.
Double figure goals.
It will be a bit like a 'Kouta 2000' when he finally hits it.
Unstoppable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPwrodxghrw
Interesting.... I wonder if Melbourne thought the same way, or put it down to being totally ruthless when the opportunity presents.
Yep - taken 10 yrs but finally got there.
West Coast has been pushing the proverbial up hill since covid. They show a bit of fight from time to time, but too much is left to too few, and at certain times, the dam wall just breaks. They had a couple of 100 point losses last season. They came out with a little fight last night, which by half time basically evaporated. That game was one level below a training drill. I really hope the boys don't over inflate the meaningfulness of that win. On paper it looks brilliant, but when you look at the opposition...........
West Coast has been pushing the proverbial up hill since covid. They show a bit of fight from time to time, but too much is left to too few, and at certain times, the dam wall just breaks. They had a couple of 100 point losses last season. They came out with a little fight last night, which by half time basically evaporated. That game was one level below a training drill. I really hope the boys don't over inflate the meaningfulness of that win. On paper it looks brilliant, but when you look at the opposition...........
Yes but we won't beat top opposition by 100 points thats just above and beyond over expectation.
WCE s very weakened but we have been weakened by injuries with 15-18 players out on sidelines for "years".
Just saw the press conferences.
Simpson's was about as deflated as I've seen a coach.
It's pretty obvious they're undermanned...and it doesn't look like getting better in the coming weeks.
Only 26 available for training...so match committee/team selections would be a short meeting.
I think he was more disappointed with the effort, which has been mostly good... but the dam burst last night.
The best thing that came out of last night was seeing the TEAM first mindset.
The delivery into the forward line was 100% better than what we have been serving up.
Leading in the forward line! Honoring those leads into the forward line! Kicking to advantage!
Sounds basic but finally when we do it we get results.
Harry and Charlie also looked like they didn't want to lead the same way. Finally working together.
Harry has some serious speed and if he wanted to could do Fev type leads.
It's great that we played four quarters and did not ease off giving away junk time goals.
However, we will be punished in the matches coming up if we continue with the turnovers by foot when in attack, even when not under pressure.
We did this constantly in the Saints game
I’ve only so far watched the first half of last nights game - this happened far far too many times under absolutely zero pressure
Why? Is it the fault of the kicker not thinking or is it the fault of the proposed receiver not being in position?
There were plenty of examples of excellent F50 entries last night but I agree there were too many poor ones resulting in turnovers, most of which went unpunished. We must work to get this problem under control against the better teams.
Just saw the press conferences.
Simpson's was about as deflated as I've seen a coach.
It's pretty obvious they're undermanned...and it doesn't look like getting better in the coming weeks.
Only 26 available for training...so match committee/team selections would be a short meeting.
I think he was more disappointed with the effort, which has been mostly good... but the dam burst last night.
That's the worst WC team I have seen, it was like playing a WAFL lineup.
Simpson has substandard players and raw kids to work with. The experienced players like Hurn and Darling are finished and should have joined Kennedy in retirement.
Even some of his injured players like Yeo, Shuey, NicNat are too banged up to play a full season.
The AFL will have to give them draft concessions and allow them some extra players as they are just uncompetitive.
The only thing they have going for them is they are a cashed up club with a good membership but last night was an embarrassment for the AFL.
Tough crowd here, you can only play what's in front of you, it needed to be a flogging and thankfully it was. On that basis, it was a great performance.
Onto next week, hopefully the guys received some much needed confidence, it will be tough and they need to remain level headed.
West Coast remind me a bit of the banged up Carlton of 2002.
In Rnd 18 that year we lost to Collingwood by 108 points ;)
At least they'll get to keep their draft picks so it might not take them 20+ years.
Very very happy with the percentage boosting win because our ladder position desperately needed it.
However, we turned the ball over at some very strange times in the match and more times than not under no pressure at all. Had we done that stuff against one of the better teams we would have been given a serious touch-up.
Cincotta & Kemp showed that they have a future in our backline, they are straight ahead no-nonsense sort of players. I can't see them ever being bona-fide A-Graders but they don't have to be. Put those two in with young Cowan and let them all grow together, I think we honestly have something of substance with the the three of them.
Whilst I'm no Pittonet fan, he was pretty good whenever the ball was above his waist, if it ever falls below that level he is next to useless. TDK may be younger and more agile but it showed tonight that Pitto is going to be the preferred option and Tom will be on the trade table.
Curnow had a day out and it was a shame he couldn't get his 10th but that the way it goes. Harry should have kicked another couple but he seems well out of sorts at the moment. It was pretty obvious that we don't have anyone else in the forwardline we can rely on and this is going to be a huge issue for the rest of the season unless someone has a mid-season transformation into Jezza, Fev, Eddie or Sticks.
I thought Cerra & Docherty were good all game & Hollands just keeps doing the basics really well.
Silvagni did bugger all for most of the match as did Cripps. Honey kicked a nice goal and gave off that smart pass to Silvagni but that was about it. Fisher continues to try the impossible and always gets himself into trouble, Walsh hit an Eagles player on the chest by foot more times than I have ever seem him do, hope that is a one-off.
Overall, we comprehensively beat a team we were expected to (and they gave everything they had for 3/4 too) but it doesn't erase or make up for the past two losses which were pathetic & insipid.
Lions next Friday night is going to another litmus test.
The important thing I saw wasn't the win but the attitude. We haven't brought that often at all. First time I've seen Carlton put their foot on the throat for 4 qtrs. for years. Normally it would have been a 50 to 60pts lead, foot off the gas and win by 35 to 40pts. Hopefully means the penny has dropped. Not worried so much about better sides, we can match anyone, as we have seen in the last couple of years, it's about the attitude we bring. Bring the right attitude and we win most games.
That's the worst WC team I have seen, it was like playing a WAFL lineup.
Simpson has substandard players and raw kids to work with. The experienced players like Hurn and Darling are finished and should have joined Kennedy in retirement.
Even some of his injured players like Yeo, Shuey, NicNat are too banged up to play a full season.
The AFL will have to give them draft concessions and allow them some extra players as they are just uncompetitive.
The only thing they have going for them is they are a cashed up club with a good membership but last night was an embarrassment for the AFL.
Similar scoreline to the Dees v Kangamaybes? Maybe one of them should move to Tassie?
That's the worst WC team I have seen, it was like playing a WAFL lineup.
Simpson has substandard players and raw kids to work with. The experienced players like Hurn and Darling are finished and should have joined Kennedy in retirement.
Even some of his injured players like Yeo, Shuey, NicNat are too banged up to play a full season.
The AFL will have to give them draft concessions and allow them some extra players as they are just uncompetitive.
The only thing they have going for them is they are a cashed up club with a good membership but last night was an embarrassment for the AFL.
We were that embarrassment in 2018. Having 3 100+ beltings. 2015 wasn't much better either. Covid wasn't a thing but we still managed classic defeats across those seasons.
Thankfully we seem to be on the improve now but we have all been there.
Nice. And as some of us have been saying for a while... this group needed to really put a weaker side away with 4 strong, consistent qtrs, especially finishing well. Not so long ago we would have surrendered that big lead and won by about 7 or 8 gls, regardless of the opponent. Well done boys.
Small Durds looks so much better when he can roam up the ground.
H needs a big haul to regain some goal kicking confidence. Every other part of his game is really good.
Blacres is a great pick up.
Honey & Fisher remain on thin ice, and Hollands needs a rest.
Great to see Doc and Saady get through the game okay.
The more I see of Cincotta the more I like him. Provides dash and excellent disposal (except for one turnover).
Defence, midfield and forwards, as groups, all delivered.
And when the early heat was on, Kempy was really good, with some impressive intercept marks and spoils.
Tough crowd here, you can only play what's in front of you, it needed to be a flogging and thankfully it was. On that basis, it was a great performance.
Onto next week, hopefully the guys received some much needed confidence, it will be tough and they need to remain level headed.
That would have been a "danger game" for us a couple of seasons ago but we managed to get our first 100+ points winning margin since 2011.
All part of developing the culture :)
Sorry EB, the weegles can rot for all I care. Draft concessions? Where was the AFL when we bottomed out for 20+ years. No way. They refused to rebuild three years ago and are paying for it now, just like the Whorethorn tankers.
Eagles have a lot of very over rated, underperforming senior players that need to take a damn hard look at themselves
That would have been a "danger game" for us a couple of seasons ago but we managed to get our first 100+ points winning margin since 2011.
All part of developing the culture :)
A mate of mine went across for the game, he is always banging on about how we don't put teams away, put the foot on their throat so to speak. He said to me he was expecting nothing less than a 100 point win, he'll be a satisfied man today.
We have form over the last 10-15 years for both getting ahead of ourselves and for being downhill skiers. I for one would be wanting to see a larger body of work before I declare last night's game to be some kind of watershed moment.
We have form over the last 10-15 years for both getting ahead of ourselves and for being downhill skiers. I for one would be wanting to see a larger body of work before I declare last night's game to be some kind of watershed moment.
Surely it is, because it happened… but I agree it needs to become part of our dna going forward
We have form over the last 10-15 years for both getting ahead of ourselves and for being downhill skiers. I for one would be wanting to see a larger body of work before I declare last night's game to be some kind of watershed moment.
The same applies in reverse though.
Folks lost the plot a bit after the St Kilda game.
Last 100+ point win was rnd 15 2011 v Rich (103pts), prior to that was 2 2011 v GC (119). Prior to those, it was rnd 10 2001 WC (119). So it seems its one 100+ win for us every 10-12 years.
Sorry EB, the weegles can rot for all I care. Draft concessions? Where was the AFL when we bottomed out for 20+ years. No way. They refused to rebuild three years ago and are paying for it now, just like the Whorethorn tankers.
Eagles have a lot of very over rated, underperforming senior players that need to take a damn hard look at themselves
Fair enough Prof, I just like to see a competitive comp and victories that have a bit of substance and can validate some improvement. We might as well have been playing Claremont or Subiaco last night and while it's always nice to have a big win it felt a bit hollow playing such a poor struggling team.
Just watched the second half:
1. Yea finally foot on throat and kept at it. Sure opposition fell away but we kept piling on the goals
2. Player camaraderie seems very good ✅
The same applies in reverse though.
Folks lost the plot a bit after the St Kilda game.
Which folks ? Not this folks. :)
If you want to be the best, you need to both measure yourself against the best, and you need to beat the best. By all means, bank the 4 points and enjoy the percentage boost, but any talk of turning a corner is very premature IMO.
We have form over the last 10-15 years for both getting ahead of ourselves and for being downhill skiers. I for one would be wanting to see a larger body of work before I declare last night's game to be some kind of watershed moment.
That's true Paul, but it was still a milestone game that has been 12 years in the making.
That's true Paul, but it was still a milestone game that has been 12 years in the making.
I'm not a big fan of cliches, but I'm very much in the "one swallow doesn't make a summer" camp. The results over the next few weeks will be the real test IMO.
Haven't seen the game and not likely to as I don't do Foxtel. However it appears that this result affirms what I have been saying for a while. Carlton picks and chooses when it wants to play and how much of the game they play out. This week they chose to play, chose to play out the game and chose not to use an interstate game as a "bus man's holiday", and they won by 108 points. Given the relative strengths of the two sides, we have a lot of injuries, they have a few more, we have a squad that should be playing deep into the finals, they have a squad that is old and needs a rebuild that has barely begun. The result is a very good result. Ten to fifteen goal win should have been the range. Playing interstate to meant to me that a ten goals plus would be a good result with fifteen at the top end. Eighteen goals is an excellent result and better than Melbourne's fifteen demolition of North at the MCG. Turning up to play and playing out games needs to become embedded into the team's culture.
I have been telling my friends for a while that Charlie is better now than what Kouta was at the same age. I have also said that this is the time when Kouta went stratospheric. It would be really good as a Carlton supporter if Charlie went stratospheric as well.We have a really good team and squad which is why the performances over the past two weeks and for most of this season have been disappointing. Hopefully this is the start of something big.
Hope this is the Geelong-like line in the sand game from 2007. They were 2-3, lost to ordinary sides and decided after that round 5 defeat that enough was enough and time to live up to their talent. Beat a p1ss weak Richmon by 150pts the next week, lost one more game for the year, won the flag by 119pts and not looked back since.
Time will tell if it is ours of course but I liked the attitude change and foot on the throat for 4 qtrs. Hasn't happened for so long. Normally it's get to a 50pt lead quickly then win by 35 or 40.
Haven't seen the game and not likely to as I don't do Foxtel.
The replay is up on the AFL website BM.
I'm hearing you EB, it isn't great for the competition but clubs like WCE, Port and Whorethorn were utterly ruthless in flogging us when we were at our lowest ebb and serving it back is more than justified IMO. Hubris has a big role in where WCE are right now. They're reaping what they sowed.
Just watched the second half:
2. Player camaraderie seems very good ✅
Which only increases when you win on the road and come home with a strong victory. They'll be well and truly talking about Friday night on the flight home!
Which only increases when you win on the road and come home with a strong victory. They'll be well and truly talking about Friday night on the flight home!
They might even talk about Saturday night 😉
They might even talk about Saturday night 😉
We're on Friday night this week!😏
We're on Friday night this week!😏
Ah. Got it. Thought you meant v WC flight
We're on Friday night this week!😏
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Looking at the replay (Thank God for the replays on afl.com.au!), Honey played probably his best game in the first quarter: he hit the ball hard, got it and used it reasonably. As for the rest of game, I wonder if he was out there.
Corey Durdin was also very active early, but relatively ineffective after quarter time.
Fisher managed to get 21 possessions, but still underwhelmed. I'd be looking at replacing him soon with someone who can tackle. Maybe someone who can make a decision, if we have someone like that. 1 tackle was all he could manage. Pittonet had 6! Cripps had 8! Walsh had 10!
Fisher managed to get 21 possessions, but still underwhelmed. I'd be looking at replacing him soon with someone who can tackle. Maybe someone who can make a decision, if we have someone like that. 1 tackle was all he could manage. Pittonet had 6! Cripps had 8! Walsh had 10!
Best in the VFL was Paddy Dow with 5 :))
Best in the VFL was Paddy Dow with 5 :))
Blasphemy!
Charlie and Kemp didn’t manage one tackle … but 14 and 13 marks might save them from the axe.
Players can follow their instructions to the letter without laying a tackle. After being down last week, I suspect that Fish met his targets.
Apparently Fish was second for pressure acts.
Fisher managed to get 21 possessions, but still underwhelmed. I'd be looking at replacing him soon with someone who can tackle. Maybe someone who can make a decision, if we have someone like that. 1 tackle was all he could manage. Pittonet had 6! Cripps had 8! Walsh had 10!
It's quite bizarre to consider what is considered "a tackle", versus what is a 1%er, pressure act, contested possession, etc., etc.. The definitions as controlled by the AFL are so rubbery they are barely worth collecting.
For example, Fisher had 1 Tackle, but is 20 Pressure Acts which puts him 2nd only behind Walsh.
It's quite bizarre to consider what is considered "a tackle", versus what is a 1%er, pressure act, contested possession, etc., etc.. The definitions as controlled by the AFL are so rubbery they are barely worth collecting.
For example, Fisher had 1 Tackle, but is 20 Pressure Acts which puts him 2nd only behind Walsh.
Did those pressure acts include putting our blokes under pressure too?
And when the early heat was on, Kempy was really good, with some impressive intercept marks and spoils.
He can really elevate himself to mark or spoil - shades of Liam Jones but a more reliable kick
Fisher managed to get 21 possessions, but still underwhelmed. I thought so too. I'd be looking at replacing him soon with someone who can tackle. Maybe someone who can make a decision, if we have someone like that. 1 tackle was all he could manage. Pittonet had 6! Cripps had 8! Walsh had 10!
He can really elevate himself to mark or spoil - shades of Liam Jones but a more reliable kick
Absolutely, Ye Rat O' the River. Kemp attacks the contest, backs himself, is pro-active and as you mention really elevates himself into the contest to have an impact. With he and Gov playing similar intercept roles it adds a real steel to our defence, and makes us even harder to score against. Not to mention taking important pressure off, and providing support to, Young and Weits.
Did those pressure acts include putting our blokes under pressure too?
Spot on, EB1.
Sorry, but Fisher's indecision and pauses take the speed out of our play... the antithesis of what we're wanting to achieve. Whether he's fearful of making a mistake or whatever, there is little instinct and reflex to keep the speed and heat on the aggott. And I take no pleasure in criticisms of Zachery, like many here I really wanted to see him succeed. But, at present, he's a hindrance to our game plan regardless of how many possessions, tackles etc. he accumulates.
Kennedy had a massive impact as sub. If the game was in the balance it would have been match winning.
Perhaps the sub has to be a contested player?
Kennedy had a massive impact as sub. If the game was in the balance it would have been match winning.
Perhaps the sub has to be a contested player?
We have two very flexible players on the list Kennedy and Young.
I think it will come down to game day match ups in the most part and Vossy has that flexibility.
Kennedy had a massive impact as sub. If the game was in the balance it would have been match winning.
Perhaps the sub has to be a contested player?
Yes, having the ability to run hard doesn't necessarily mean that you'll have an impact. Chugga is versatile, wins his own ball, reads the play well, is a very good mark and is an accurate kick for goal. Is he the ideal sub?
Is there really just one ideal sub, isn't that concept a bit formulaic, and also potentially exposes a team to opposition analysis / tactics?
For me, the Sub should be selected on a horses for courses basis, the "Ideal Sub" is really code for "Lazy MC"!
Was going to post the same about Kennedy being sub. Horses for courses worked - the plan was to give Saad 3/4s. If he had been injured during that time, we knew we had a player that would contribute strongly.
At 3qtr time, I was wondering how we could turn it into a tight game, or at least a 50 point margin. 9 goals put paid to that, which is Voss' ruthless streak being applied.
Sometimes it takes a win like that to get system and confidence going - hopefully it is a catalyst.
Agree with Prof on WCE and any concessions the AFL might be thinking of for them. They won a flag 5 years ago and continually backed an aging and injury prone list to keep them in contention. They gave up 3 first round picks to get Tim Kelly which, in hindsight, was a disaster. He's been a good player for them but that's a lot to give up. They re-signed both Natanui and McGovern last year to 2 year deals when neither of them can get out on the park regularly. They would also be in the top 4 or 5 highest players at WCE. Add to that Shuey and Yeo who are always injured. Hurn at nearly 35 years of age is still in their best 10 players.
They've brought this on themselves and because they're owned by the WAFC, they're not answerable to anyone. Nisbett is the CEO of West Coast and if I'm not mistaken, also sits on the board of the WAFC.
Simpson has been there 10 years now too.
We've been mired in the bottom half of the table for a decade or more....yes, some terrible drafting and recruiting....but you don't reward incompetence. They need to rebuild through the draft and free agency like everyone else. Their problem is that none of their best players now would really have any trade value....Shuey, Natanui, Hurn, McGovern, Yeo, Darling...they need to get young blokes in and let them develop over the next 3-4 years by when all of the above players will be well and truly finished.
Is there really just one ideal sub, isn't that concept a bit formulaic, and also potentially exposes a team to opposition analysis / tactics?
For me, the Sub should be selected on a horses for courses basis, the "Ideal Sub" is really code for "Lazy MC"!
Wrong.
The ideal sub is Kouta. Can dominate any position on the ground if required.
Of course, he would always be best 22, but there you go.
I don't think there is a perfect sub, but there are certainly plenty of wrong subs imo.
Having a ruck as a sub is the worst thing you can do. You are better off paying 2 rucks than paying 1 and a sub.
Having a vanilla player like LOB who can't really influence a game is also a wrong choice.
If no injury concerns....use a mid and rotate who rests each week for the long season.
If a couple of people have injuries who are a bit iffy, have someone who can cover them.
Personally I like the Jack of all trades option and/or someone who can make an impact with minimal time. 2 examples
Kemp - can play tall or small or on a wing in a pinch
Martin - could kick 3 goals in 5 minutes ago based off half chances.
Wrong.
The ideal sub is Kouta. Can dominate any position on the ground if required.
Technically, that would be the ideal waste!
Personally I like the Jack of all trades option and/or someone who can make an impact with minimal time. 2 examples
Kemp - can play tall or small or on a wing in a pinch
Martin - could kick 3 goals in 5 minutes ago based off half chances.
Not much interested in kids like Kemp rotting on the bench as Sub, they are either out there learning and earning in the AFL, or in the VFL learning, bench warming gets them nowhere!
No big deal typical Carlton,let’s see how we go next 3 weeks .
When did Martin last kick three in a game...?
No free rides for this bloke- play well in the twos before getting in the 23.
When did Martin last kick three in a game...?
No free rides for this bloke- play well in the twos before getting in the 23.
3 games ago (that he played) - R22 vs Melbourne.
He actually kicked 3 goals in a row from the 3rd quarter into the 4th. We only kicked one more goal for the match after that.
He has talent, he performs in bursts. He is pure sub material.
Sounds like a case of waiting for Godot
Sounds like a case of waiting for Godot
Take every player on our list.
Go through their last 3 games.
How many have kicked 3 goals in one of them?
Charlie, SOJ and Jack Martin - not even Harry (4 games back)
He kicked 4 on debut for us and blew the game apart against the Tigers. He's kicked 3 goals on another occassion for us as well.
Over his 136 game career. He has kicked 3 (or more) goals on 13 occassions.
Thats 3 or more goals every 10 games on average.....basically as a midfielder.
How many others can say the same?
In terms of reliability - Martin is an overpaid list clogger.
Martin will come on as a sub in the fourth, run around, get nothing and wait for the fifth quarter to kick his three goals.
Martin will come on as a sub in the fourth, run around, get nothing and wait for the fifth quarter to kick his three goals.
He will come in, get 12 disposals, kick 1 goal, lay 3 tackles, get injured and miss a month. Thats his MO.
He averages around 10 games a year for us, he has played 1 this year that means he has got 9 to play in around 15 rounds. He has never played more than 9 games in a row for us (first year), the sooner they move him on the better.