It was nice to have a big win, especially as we travelled, but this is another thing altogether. Seriously, Brisbane have the best list in the business. Can we upset them at Marvel? If we do, we can say that we're a contender. If not, we're just a decent team.
Kemp and Cincotta showed enough to hold their places but Honey doesn't do enough - should probably make way when Motlop or Owies are available.
Fisher is a tease who got a lot more of it against the limited opposition provided by the Wet Toast but he was too wasteful and is just as likely to turn it over than hit a teammate by foot (if not more so). IF he has decent kicking skills at training, I can only surmise that he kicks without pressure at training because he never seems balanced when kicking in a match, especially when trying to snap a goal. Maybe he would be more useful as a substitute when the intensity has gone out of the game.
Playing Docherty in the midfield has bumped Kennedy out of the midfield rotation but I think he has more to offer than Fisher.
I'm worried our small forwards inability to hit the scoreboard and general score assist game even tackle count is a little too low. Brisbane defence is really strong and if Charlie and H are tied down I just don't think they are good enough to pick up the slack. Hopefully Owies is back for this one and I'll put Cottrell straight in.
I don't think Cottrell will ever get thirty or three votes but he gut runs, competes maniacally and does the basics well. He's in my 22.
Kemp and Cincotta showed enough to hold their places but Honey doesn't do enough - should probably make way when Motlop or Owies are available.
Fisher is a tease who got a lot more of it against the limited opposition provided by the Wet Toast but he was too wasteful and is just as likely to turn it over than hit a teammate by foot (if not more so). IF he has decent kicking skills at training, I can only surmise that he kicks without pressure at training because he never seems balanced when kicking in a match, especially when trying to snap a goal. Maybe he would be more useful as a substitute when the intensity has gone out of the game.
Playing Docherty in the midfield has bumped Kennedy out of the midfield rotation but I think he has more to offer than Fisher.
Kennedy goes forward, he can kick goals.
How far off is Cunningham? Maybe a swap for Fisher, they play a similar game style.
I really liked Kemp's game. The confidence of taking a number of solid pack marks in the backline instead of punching shows a good mindset.
Cincotta is a find. In only his second game he looks like he belongs. No backward steps and with a very unCarlton like haircut.
Fisher has now, unfortunately, become a list clogger
Fisher has now, unfortunately, become a list clogger
I thought Fisher was probably the best of our smalls last night, getting him and Durdin further up the field left much more space in F50 for the marking targets to find space.
I thought McKay was very good, ran good patterns, opened up plenty of space that let Charlie make some use of it. And Durdin and Fisher staying out of the way let them make use of it, Motlop take note!
Zorko out is big loss for Brisbane, if Rich is also an out, that is two who normally dine out on us who won't be there!
I thought Fisher was probably the best of our smalls last night, getting him and Durdin further up the field left much more space in F50 for the marking targets to find space.
I thought McKay was very good, ran good patterns, opened up plenty of space that let Charlie make some use of it. And Durdin and Fisher staying out of the way let them make use of it, Motlop take note!
Zorko out is big loss for Brisbane, if Rich is also an out, that is two who normally dine out on us who won't be there!
Sorry, Spotted One, can't agree on Fisher. Too often his tackles are broken and when he does get the aggott, he's like a deer in headlights - so indecisive, and while he's making up his mind the opposition is strengthening the defensive aspects of their game. Then there's his
eventual disposal by foot, which is a cr@p shoot.
Zorko isnt what he was and won't effect them if he is missing. They have a big midfield and some strong bodies and Lachie Neale dines out on us. If it was in Brisbane we would probably lose but Marvel improves our chances.
Like to see Rich not playing to help us out because we usually just let him run around unchecked.
Cripps won't have it easy with Dunkley and Berry on his case but it's a chance to for others to lead the way.
Blues by 11 points with Walsh BOG in a real slog...if it was in Brisbane I would reverse the outcome.
Does Motlop come straight back in....if so, likely replaces Honey?
I would've normally said Ed would go out for Kennedy but they might have a specific task lined up for him this Friday night?
With TDK to miss, is this the week where Mirkov gets a gig? If Lions use Hipwood/Daniher as backup ruck, JSOS won't stand a chance and it takes him away from his forward role. I can only go on what I read in terms of VFL but if nothing else, Mirkov would provide some opposition at the centre bounce and throw ins etc.....but likely doesn't do enough around the ground at the moment?
Agree on Kemp and Cincotta....keep them in there as it also allows Doc to rotate through the middle. Cincotta might get the match up on McCarthy this week.
With TDK to miss, is this the week where Mirkov gets a gig? If Lions use Hipwood/Daniher as backup ruck, JSOS won't stand a chance and it takes him away from his forward role.
No, if we use Pitto D50 side and keep Young as a backup, with BigH doing some F50 work, we do not need Mirkov.
I think we lose too much run and gain very little if we bring Mirkov in.
I suspect Fogarty or Cottrell should be in this week, with Durdin and Fisher in the small forward rotation and Honey the out. Fisher did more than enough to retain his spot and Durdin was much better, Honey had a small good patch but to me it wasn't enough. This assumes Owies isn't yet good to go.
Rucking Pitto, Young and BigH/Cripps leaves SoJ in a much better place, he had plenty of run to go on with for 4-Qtrs.
Drop Ed Curnow only when Cotters is back. His 2 way running is huge and leadership underestimated.
Drop Ed Curnow only when Cotters is back. His 2 way running is huge and leadership underestimated.
Ed to Neale all night.
Ed was OK last game though, he has very good vision even if the execution struggles sometimes, I thought he's worked so far this season when he is forward of centre.
Doubt there will be many changes this week.
Ed to Neale all night.
OMG if only! Unfortunately, given how he's being utilised at the moment I can't see it happening. Still they might show some sort of initiative?
Ed to Neale all night.
Reckon they will use Hewett who was ok on Kelly from WC.
Neale is one of those players who is hard to tag and we may need a tag team to rotate off him.
Think Cripps might need some help too with Dunkley and Berry all over him.
Don't want to see anything silly like Hollands on McCluggage either, both play the wing but the Brisbane player is more of a genuine mid and a key driver and needs a more negative type who can keep close. I think Cottrell would suit as a tagger and I'd use Hollands off the bench or rest him...
Reckon they will use Hewett who was ok on Kelly from WC.
Neale is one of those players who is hard to tag and we may need a tag team to rotate off him.
Think Cripps might need some help too with Dunkley and Berry all over him.
Don't want to see anything silly like Hollands on McCluggage either, both play the wing but the Brisbane player is more of a genuine mid and a key driver and needs a more negative type who can keep close. I think Cottrell would suit as a tagger and I'd use Hollands off the bench or rest him...
Neale has a massive engine hence why I think Ed.
Don't want to see anything silly like Hollands on McCluggage either, both play the wing but the Brisbane player is more of a genuine mid and a key driver and needs a more negative type who can keep close. I think Cottrell would suit as a tagger and I'd use Hollands off the bench or rest him...
I tend to agree, although McCluggage is possible the biggest Jekyll and Hyde type in the AFL, collects as much hard ball as anybody but misses far more pudding shots than most!
If McCluggage is getting the footy, you want it to be in set shot territory, not further up the field and feeding Hipwood or Daniher, although Daniher can be equally as bad.
I think Zorko and Rich hurt them, they might not get a great lot of footy but when they find space they deliver it pretty well.
Neale has a massive engine hence why I think Ed.
I think George offers us more on the ball rather than being purely negative. Ed has lost a bit of edge imho and is a lot less effective with the ball, still runs and tags ok but I don't want him delivering the ball as much and taking midfield time off more talented players. I like Ed but I see him as the 2nd tagger now behind George and would have sent him to Zorko if he was playing..
I think George offers us more on the ball rather than being purely negative. Ed has lost a bit of edge imho and is a lot less effective with the ball, still runs and tags ok but I don't want him delivering the ball as much and taking midfield time off more talented players. I like Ed but I see him as the 2nd tagger now behind George and would have sent him to Zorko if he was playing..
Ed has a knack of shutting down players and getting his own ball when that's a requirement. George doesn't have the motor to go with Neale.
Ed has a knack of shutting down players and getting his own ball when that's a requirement. George doesn't have the motor to go with Neale.
It depends on whether you want a run with player or a shut down player. Hewett can hurt his opponent by getting his own ball but Ed can completely nullify good players at the cost of not getting the pill himself.
I’d start with Cerra on Neale with Hewett and Ed as plans B and C.
Is the current Ed Curnow still the same player that Joel Selwood said was his toughest ever opponent ? If so, he has to be in the mix IMO.
Is the current Ed Curnow still the same player that Joel Selwood said was his toughest ever opponent ? If so, he has to be in the mix IMO.
If you were to ask Voss that question I'd hazard a guess and say the answer would be yes.
It depends on whether you want a run with player or a shut down player. Hewett can hurt his opponent by getting his own ball but Ed can completely nullify good players at the cost of not getting the pill himself.
I’d start with Cerra on Neale with Hewett and Ed as plans B and C.
The other one that came to mind and definitely left field is Newman. Has had some big scalps this year and is in good form.
The other one that came to mind and definitely left field is Newman. Has had some big scalps this year and is in good form.
Newy might have his hands full with Cameron.
One of the biggest games I can remember even bigger than the last two from last season.
Its a very big game due to the fact we have a full crop to select from bar one or two players whereas late last season midfield was depleted with Walsh, George and Chugga missing.
Its the one and only opportunity for the lads to ingrain an identity in the AFL world. Not so much a big game for the club but the coaches and players as a team. It's one hell of an opportunity to make a statement and a loss here will tarnish them as a team in a big way imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yhyp-_hX2s&ab_channel=msvogue23
Newy might have his hands full with Cameron.
Thought Saad would get Cameron.....
One of the biggest games I can remember even bigger than the last two from last season.
Its a very big game due to the fact we have a full crop to select from bar one or two players whereas late last season midfield was depleted with Walsh, George and Chugga missing.
Its the one and only opportunity for the lads to ingrain an identity in the AFL world. Not so much a big game for the club but the coaches and players as a team. It's one hell of an opportunity to make a statement and a loss here will tarnish them as a team in a big way imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yhyp-_hX2s&ab_channel=msvogue23
Agree. A win will put our season on track while a loss even a narrow one will have everyone doubting again.
Massive week
Thought Saad would get Cameron.....
I hope not EB. We need Saads run and attacking play and can't afford to have him locked on a dangerous forward who has to be a full lock down or Cameron will have a field day. Newman has done some good defensive roles this season reckon he will get first crack. And he has just a little but of mongrel about him, hes not a tough player but hes in their face and reckon that sort of player would be a better option then Saad who is just too nice a bloke to say or do anything cheeky
I hope not EB. We need Saads run and attacking play and can't afford to have him locked on a dangerous forward who has to be a full lock down or Cameron will have a field day. Newman has done some good defensive roles this season reckon he will get first crack. And he has just a little but of mongrel about him, hes not a tough player but hes in their face and reckon that sort of player would be a better option then Saad who is just too nice a bloke to say or do anything cheeky
Cameron is express, can't see Newman keeping up with him.
Cameron is express, can't see Newman keeping up with him.
It the lesser of two evils. Its at Marvel so not as much space for Charlie to work it hopefully.
If we pressure them through midfield he wont be as much of a threat.
Would have been nice to have Stocker back this week......
I'd be inclined to give the role to Cowan.
Just tell him to stop Cameron getting a kick and not to worry about his own tally.
Would be a great learning experience.
Cameron will run circles around Cowan potentially confidence crusher that can stifle his development. Nt a fan of throwing youngsters in the deepend at young age unless they are an elite talent. Got Harrys development spot on by keeping him in the two's and Kemp is a better player honing his skills and developing. Dow and LOB have been destroyed and potentially Fisher.
Young was playing VFL for few years until he become a regular at 22-23 which is the right age. Kempy at 21 shining is a sign of a very good talent. No to resting Hollands for mine though - he is that good for a first year player.
Cameron will run circles around Cowan potentially confidence crusher that can stifle his development.
Surely Cincotta gets Cameron?
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What does Stocker offer that Cincotta doesn't? Even after 2 games I have confidence in Cincotta more so than I had in Stocker. Cleaner with the ball, knows when to take a player on and when not to.... ... and he doesn't kick the ball through the opposition 's goals!!!
Stocker is Ancient History!
Surely Cincotta gets Cameron?
Nice start to his career for Cincotta but Cameron is a major step up from the WAFL rubbish that was served up last week.
Reckon we do Cincotta a favour and play him on someone more suitable....
I'd have Cincotta pencilled in for McCarthy....another very dangerous "small" forward who's very good overhead for his size. Newman got the job done on Greene earlier in the year so probably gets first shot at Cameron.
Zorko and Rich out for them is a little bonus. Rich gives them a tonne of drive out of the back half and Zorko has torched us a few times in the past.
Nice start to his career for Cincotta but Cameron is a major step up from the WAFL rubbish that was served up last week.
Reckon we do Cincotta a favour and play him on someone more suitable....
Cincotta is not a kid though, he's been in and around the system for a long time and would have played on the odd star passing through.
In terms of a match up the cupboard is bare, is for most clubs, so we at least need somebody who can run with Cameron and the best team strategy will be to keep the pill as far away from him as possible.
Maybe let Motlop tag Cameron for a quarter, send him out there with a note book and instructions to watch carefully.
They have a fair amount of fire power so the defenders will have a battle on their hands and the mids must not have repeat of the Adelaide game.
My match ups would be:
Cameron = Saad
McCarthy = Cincotta
Daniher = Weitering
Hipwood =Young
Gunston = Gov/Kemp
Bailey* = Newman
Rayner = Docherty
*IMO opinion after Cameron the most dangerous small forward often hard to contain for 4 qtrs.
Lachie Neale Adam Cerra
Josh Dunkley Patrick Cripps
Will Ashcroft Sam Walsh
Hugh McCluggage George Hewett
Dayne Zorko ? Edward Curnow/Mathew Cottrell
Jarrod Berry Blake Acres
Darcy Wilmot Oliver Hollands
Jack Payne Charlie Curnow
Harris Andrews Harry McKay
Keidean Coleman Brodie Kemp
Ryan Lester Jack Silvagni
Brandon Starcevich Corey Durdin
Daniel Rich Josh Honey/Motlop
Conor McKenna Zac Fisher
Joe Daniher Jacob Weitering
Eric Hipwood Lewis Young
Charlie Cameron Adam Saad
Cameron Rayner Sam Docherty
Lincoln McCarthy Alex Cincotta
Jack Gunston Mitch McGovern
Zac Bailey Nic Newman
Oscar McInerney Marc Pittonet
Noah Answerth ? Matthw Kennedy?
Kemp might need to play fwd if there is no match up.
Need to defend as a team ,flood Fitzroy forward line as Coll,saints,Melb DO. I think we can’t back our defenders to beat lions fwds need a TEAM effort.
Bailey will be a problem as he is another express paced mid/forward who likes playing us and kicked four last time.
Not the type of player you can wander off from and kick chase against like you can maybe vs McCarthy who tends to take marks but doesnt impact as much on the ground or bother chasing as intently.
Rayner is another who Cincotta may be able to play against as they are around the same size and the Brisbane player is that physical type who likes to play in bursts rather than give you 4 quarters...dangerous player when on but Id prefer we focus on Cameron and Bailey more.
Daniher and Hipwood dont do much for me at all as footballers and I reckon Weitering and Young can look after them without too many problems.
McGovern will probably get Gunston and that will be a key event in the game IMO, Id probably give Gunston 2 goals and call that a win as he is the type of player who if he gets half a dozen shots at goal will probably kick 4-5 .
Pittonet only has to break even vs the Big O and thats a win too imho.
McCluggage will start on the wing imho....be Cottrell in this week for me and Hollands managed.....dont want Hollands on McBaggage, reckon Cottrell can do the job better.
Id expect Acres to be tagged this week on the other wing too...
We definitely need to bring our best for this one. I'm full of anticipation but apprehensive at the same time.
Daniher is their 2nd ruck, albeit the big O rarely needs a chop out. Do we play Young on Daniher when forward and have Young follow him into the ruck as well? The only downside is that the Lions might exploit this by resting the big O in the goal square and he’d have a 10 cm height advantage over Weets, Gov or Kemp. Oscar isn’t great as a forward but he can take a mark when he has that sort of advantage. The other option is to use JSOS as the 2nd ruck.
Daniher is their 2nd ruck, albeit the big O rarely needs a chop out. Do we play Young on Daniher when forward and have Young follow him into the ruck as well? The only downside is that the Lions might exploit this by resting the big O in the goal square and he’d have a 10 cm height advantage over Weets, Gov or Kemp. Oscar isn’t great as a forward but he can take a mark when he has that sort of advantage. The other option is to use JSOS as the 2nd ruck.
JSOS in the ruck is a no for me. He Young to follow Daniher if he rucks, I would have thought he is a better match up to Hipwood when in defence.
Daniher tends to run around like a blue-arsed fly while Hipwood seems to stick to F50 (which is more to Weets’ taste). Young is exactly Daniher’s height and is slightly heavier: a match made in heaven. It also makes it simpler for Young to follow him wherever he goes.
I'd have Young on Hipwood....didn't think Young was that great vs Stkilda and I view Daniher as more of a threat and would want my best tall defender on him which is Weitering.
I'd have Young on Hipwood....didn't think Young was that great vs Stkilda and I view Daniher as more of a threat and would want my best tall defender on him which is Weitering.
Tend to agree. Weiters would be better equiped physically to deal with Joe. Hipwood strikes me as a less physical player who Young would match up better with.
I'd have Young on Hipwood....didn't think Young was that great vs Stkilda and I view Daniher as more of a threat and would want my best tall defender on him which is Weitering.
My thinking was Hipwood isn't as physically strong as Joe, Young tends to struggle with the stronger fwds, Weiters handles the gorillas better.
Starcevich is Brisbane’s best lockdown small defender. Do we have anyone who’s worth locking down or does Fagan give him a week’s holiday to freshen up?
With Rayner I'd be inclined to match him up with Saad or Doc, because I think he's still just an average runner and they can run off him and hurt the Lions further up the field. I realise body on body Rayner is a significant challenge for them.
Given we have Weiters and Young, is McGovern an option for Rayner, McGovern is probably an equal in terms of mobility and would have Rayner covered overhead or one on one?
Starcevich is Brisbane’s best lockdown small defender. Do we have anyone who’s worth locking down or does Fagan give him a week’s holiday to freshen up?
Starcevich is a decent size at 187cm and 92 kg, I could see him tagging Acres this week, he is also a decent kick so further up the ground he could be damaging.
Wilmott has 1 wing though and they have Berry/McCluggage cycling through the other. That’s simplifying it a bit, though, as they also put Rayner, Bailey and Dunkley through there too.
Wilmott has 1 wing though and they have Berry/McCluggage cycling through the other. That’s simplifying it a bit, though, as they also put Rayner, Bailey and Dunkley through there too.
Id expect Berry to spend a little bit of time in the middle on Cripps along with Dunkley, he is a big unit and Fagan likes giving giving him some of the tough jobs so he could be a candidate for Acres too. His best mate McCluggage will start on the wing but plays really as a midfielder and will need a minder, Cottrell would be my choice if fit enough. Wilmott was a rebounding half back at U18 level so it will be interesting where he lines up.....maybe Hollands or one of our smaller forwards.
Fisher Omitted (finally)
Motlop in
Kennedy Sub
Fisher got one hell of a free ride in this team. He should thank his lucky stars.
Fisher Omitted (finally)
Motlop in
The sub should be Kennedy, but what's the bet it's Fisher.
Honey's last chance before a match fit Cottrell takes his place?
Fisher Omitted (finally)
Motlop in
And Honey survives again. Cannot work it out. He must be doing something right.
And Honey survives again. Cannot work it out. He must be doing something right.
Must be doing all the right things at training and coaches want to have a good look.
The sub should be Kennedy, but what's the bet it's Fisher.
Honey's last chance before a match fit Cottrell takes his place?
Kennedy the Sub confirmed
With Rayner I'd be inclined to match him up with Saad or Doc, because I think he's still just an average runner and they can run off him and hurt the Lions further up the field. I realise body on body Rayner is a significant challenge for them.
Given we have Weiters and Young, is McGovern an option for Rayner, McGovern is probably an equal in terms of mobility and would have Rayner covered overhead or one on one?
McGovern will have to take Gunston imho.....he will be too tall for any of the remaining defenders given Weitering and Young will be occupied. Probably leaves Newman with Rayner if he starts on the field with their other tall forwards. Unless they get brave and start Kemp on Gunston....
Kennedy the Sub confirmed
Great news. Surprised, but rapt. It's not personal, though it may seem it, I'm sure he's a terrific kid and hopefully he'll go back to the Magoos and focus and work on his game. But his output was below par. No more passengers...
McGovern will have to take Gunston imho.....he will be too tall for any of the remaining defenders given Weitering and Young will be occupied. Probably leaves Newman with Rayner if he starts on the field with their other tall forwards. Unless they get brave and start Kemp on Gunston....
Gunston plays a fair bit taller than his height but so do McGovern and Kemp. I’d start Kemp on Gunston; he has the athleticism to match anything that Gunston can produce. Gunston is wily but getting beat in contests tends to concentrate the mind on the basics.
Kemp (and Silvagni) took Young’s role when he went into the ruck and that could be a challenge with Brisbane’s tall forwards and the big O if he rests forward. It will be interesting to see how we play that but limiting supply should be the focus.
Fisher dropped is surprising for one reason and one reason only.
Honey is still picked in the team.
Honey should have gone for Motlop, not Fisher.
"Carlton has omitted gun forward Zac Fisher"
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-teams-round-8-2023-team-news-lineups-full-squads-ins-and-outs-changes-injuries-fixture-games-latest-news/news-story/abf50ba576101899b7dfc080c75cc647
Fisher dropped is surprising for one reason and one reason only.
Honey is still picked in the team.
Honey should have gone for Motlop, not Fisher.
In the short term I agree as fisher at this stage is a better footballer than honey but I like the long term approach Voss is showing here.
Honey is learning the ropes and while he hasn’t shown much yet giving a young player a decent block of games I think fast tracks development rather then only holding your spot if you perform. Obviously there comes a time when you have to make the call but I don’t mind giving young players extended runs.
In the short term I agree as fisher at this stage is a better footballer than honey but I like the long term approach Voss is showing here.
Honey is learning the ropes and while he hasn’t shown much yet giving a young player a decent block of games I think fast tracks development rather then only holding your spot if you perform. Obviously there comes a time when you have to make the call but I don’t mind giving young players extended runs.
Honey has absolute lighting pace, just wish he'd BLOODY USE IT MORE. Dead set, I hope the penny drops, no one will catch bloke. At the minute, he lopes around almost looking disinterested and like he has just woken up from a sleep. FFS drink a litre of red cordial before the game son!
Carlton is doing the right thing retaining Honey despite his lack of form.
He’s got himself to the right positions a few times but for whatever reason appears to be lacking confidence - I’m hoping that this extended run of games is a sign that our coaching staff are telling Honey that he has free licence and that they do not mind if Honey makes a mistake taking players on or having a shot. If Honey’s confidence builds and he starts to use his pace and strength there simply aren’t too many defenders that will be able to go with him.
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Honey has absolute lighting pace, just wish he'd BLOODY USE IT MORE. Dead set, I hope the penny drops, no one will catch bloke. At the minute, he lopes around almost looking disinterested and like he has just woken up from a sleep. FFS drink a litre of red cordial before the game son!
Couldn’t agree more - just read your note after posting
Fisher dropped is surprising for one reason and one reason only.
Honey is still picked in the team.
Honey should have gone for Motlop, not Fisher.
I dont think a small plays forward of center that averages 1 tackle and 2 score assists gets a game under Voss
All valid points re Honey.
But....he was not in great form in the VFL. He has shown little form in the AFL.
So if we want to build confidence etc, surely he has to get VFL right first?
The kid has had an extended run at it already. This will be his 5th game in a row. He has had a best game of 10 disposals. Is tackling less than twice a game on average. Has 1, 1% for the year.
He is older than Durdin and Motlop, but performing worse and hitting the scoreboard less, as well as getting the ball less.
We don't gift games to anyone at the moment, Cowan, Holland and Cincotta have all earned games.......and then there is honey.
Cowan performed better, but was still dropped when form warranted it.
I don't see what he is doing that continues to give him that 'free pass' for now.
All valid points re Honey.
But....he was not in great form in the VFL. He has shown little form in the AFL.
So if we want to build confidence etc, surely he has to get VFL right first?
The kid has had an extended run at it already. This will be his 5th game in a row. He has had a best game of 10 disposals. Is tackling less than twice a game on average. Has 1, 1% for the year.
He is older than Durdin and Motlop, but performing worse and hitting the scoreboard less, as well as getting the ball less.
We don't gift games to anyone at the moment, Cowan, Holland and Cincotta have all earned games.......and then there is honey.
Cowan performed better, but was still dropped when form warranted it.
I don't see what he is doing that continues to give him that 'free pass' for now.
Homey I think got retained purely for passing it off rather than blaze away and going himself.
Our small forwards are horribly out of form so it's not like they should be right back in.
Many of us had been calling for Fisher to spend some time in the VFL for weeks after the start of the season, then after perhaps turning around his form and showing signs of improvement he gets the chop.
I'm vexed, it's very vexing!
Carlton is doing the right thing retaining Honey despite his lack of form.
He’s got himself to the right positions a few times but for whatever reason appears to be lacking confidence - I’m hoping that this extended run of games is a sign that our coaching staff are telling Honey that he has free licence and that they do not mind if Honey makes a mistake taking players on or having a shot. If Honey’s confidence builds and he starts to use his pace and strength there simply aren’t too many defenders that will be able to go with him.
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Well said, No. 6. But he'd want to get a wriggle on, a few blokes who could take his place are warming up in the Magoos/returning from injury soon.
Honey won't make it, has never played 4 quarters in his life even going back to U18 level...
Honey won't make it, has never played 4 quarters in his life even going back to U18 level...
Never say never but he needs to make hay...you know the rest.
Kennedy the Sub confirmed
I think I may have misread the ins and outs when I posted this. I don't think he is confirmed yet which means Fisher may get the gig in front of him. I would be extremely disappointed if this was the case. Fisher needs to go back to the 2s and dominate before he gets back into the 1s.
Honey spends a lot of time on the bench, like McGovern, and could perhaps have a greater impact if he was on the ground for longer periods rather than stopping and starting.
Apart from being proficient on both feet, Honey seems to be better able do something positive when he has the pill than does Fish.
If we beat this mob I think we'll get a lot of cred back and be real contenders.
At the moment the footy community don't think we are a threat. (Which is warranted)
Would be nice be a force again but not sure how the team would go becoming the hunted instead of being the hunter.
Can you make hay under a closed roof? :D
If we beat this mob I think we'll get a lot of cred back and be real contenders.
At the moment the footy community don't think we are a threat. (Which is warranted)
Would be nice be a force again but not sure how the team would go becoming the hunted instead of being the hunter.
I think in the first half of last year, we built consistency around the way we played, the gap between our best and worst was small. Even in the second half, we lost games but werent terrible, just not good enough.
This year that consistency gap and widened a touch, we need to close it, in a hurry.
Forget the score line and the quality of opposition but last weeks game, the way we played, was the bench mark in many ways. We must bring that level, or as close as f#$% is to swearing to it, every week and the score line will take care of itself.
Can you make hay under a closed roof? :D
Getting the grass to grow is the hard part, killing it they've got down pat.
But then the Sun dries out the grass …
Sportsbet obviously like us:
Carlton $1.80 vs Brisbane $2.00
I’d say it’s a 50/50 game but the bookies’ markets would have been influenced by the lopsided small bet activity of Carlton fans.
I’d say it’s a 50/50 game but the bookies’ markets would have been influenced by the lopsided small bet activity of Carlton fans.
Can be 49/51 or 1/99, as long as it goes our way that's all I want.
I’d say it’s a 50/50 game but the bookies’ markets would have been influenced by the lopsided small bet activity of Carlton fans.
The odds were the other way round on Sunday so I guess you're right.
It will be a fierce contest I'm sure. What none of us want to see is another failure like the Adelaide game where it was over at 1/4 time. That will be a disaster.
We've finally gathered a good team across all lines. Our test will be readjusting rapidly to the gulf between WC and Lions. We'll need to be strong in the contest, well versed in our oppo responsive system, and a hunger to win.
Playing at home, and their outs will help. Hopefully our 2 special milestones will also provide some impetus.
Hope I'm wrong, but my tip is Lions by 16.
Go Blues. Do it for Doc and Saad