The way we're playing, we should be smashed.
I loved our comeback and the way it appeared to mean something to the players, but our small forward issues are killing us. We're not allowing H or Charlie to get the ball.
We won't get smashed. Collingwood will conserve some energy knowing that they can run over the top of us and we won't play more than a half of football.
I think it’s going to be an ugly ugly day.
We will win.
We will win.
I think we are chance too but will need some injury help. Collingwood are very down on numbers and have heard both Daicos boys are very sore and should be managed but they can't afford to rest them.
That has to bite them soon as does having
no tall defenders fit.
Two must games I like to win are vs Collingwood and Essendon during the season. That's all I expect this team to deliver....that's not too hard a task is it ?
We are just a horrible team forward of centre right now. Collingwood have the cattle to tie down Charlie and H or minimise their impact - we have no other consistent avenue to hit the scoreboard.
We are just a horrible team forward of centre right now. Collingwood have the cattle to tie down Charlie and H or minimise their impact - we have no other consistent avenue to hit the scoreboard.
Harry owes us a big one, this week vs a undersized defense is his chance.
Harry to kick 5...
Harry owes us a big one, this week vs a undersized defense is his chance.
Harry to kick 5...
From your mouth to God's ears! He really needs something like that.
I am an optimist and we seem to play better at the G than at Marvel, so I will keep the faith - IF the MC makes some better decisions than has recently been the case.
Hope Cottrell pulls up well - I really enjoyed watching one of players using his eyes before kicking the ball to someone in the same colour jersey.
I think we are chance too but will need some injury help. Collingwood are very down on numbers and have heard both Daicos boys are very sore and should be managed but they can't afford to rest them.
That has to bite them soon as does having
no tall defenders fit.
Two must games I like to win are vs Collingwood and Essendon during the season. That's all I expect this team to deliver....that's not too hard a task is it ?
Sorry, EB1, you're dreaming.
The top 8 teams we played so far we are worse off on average approx 4 goals.
We have the same points against as Brisbane and better points against than Port and Geelong. So I think our defence is top eight material
Points for in terms of hitting the scoreboard we are woeful. It's not bottom four - but somewhere between 14th and 10th.
We changed coaches last year and got the defensive side of the game in order. If the defensive side of the game can hold-up I think ball movement and small forward mix needs not an adjustment but a complete overhaul.
Sorry, EB1, you're dreaming.
Will keep the faith one more week Macca...🤔
Time for a reality check. A couple of years ago Weitering was bereft of confidence, had a week in the 2s and came back firing.
Out: Weitering Cincotta Acres
In: Boyd, Binns, Kemp
Collingwood aren't exceptionally tall up forward and we need more pace. Young, MGovern, Kemp can handle the talls, Boyd give us pace and kicking accuracy and Binns deserves a go....Acres deserves a rest!
Anyone know if theres any restrictions around the quantity of Vaseline your aloud to take into the MCG?
This ones gonna hurt...
Pies will rub our noses in it. They will relish the opportunity to stick it to an old foe and give us the killer punch like they did in the last round last year.
We have no Mongrel and are devoid from a true follow me type leader. We are playing with no belief and doubt we have the mental capacity in this group to use a massive game against such a mentally strong group of players in collingwood to get that confidence back.
Not expecting a thrashing but will be a very comfortable pies win 35-50 points.
Carl v Coll
The biggest, oldest and only true rivalry IMO
Forget form
Forget ladder position
Forget what happened rnd 23 last year
Its at the G
Sell out crowd
It will be on for young and old!
Blues in a close one.
Time for a reality check. A couple of years ago Weitering was bereft of confidence, had a week in the 2s and came back firing.
Out: Weitering Cincotta Acres
In: Boyd, Binns, Kemp
Collingwood aren't exceptionally tall up forward and we need more pace. Young, MGovern, Kemp can handle the talls, Boyd give us pace and kicking accuracy and Binns deserves a go....Acres deserves a rest!
Your outs are interesting, Weiters is all at sea, I wonder if they are brave enough to give me a rest? Acres? I can now see why he came so cheap. I can't kelp but think he s an upgrade on Ed only in terms of age. Big body who runs up and down the wing to create a contest but he is bloody awful with the ball in hand.
Is Cowan injured? I think Hollands needs a rest although he is one of the few who tries so hard to get to a contest and try and halve it. His disposal is very good for a young kid with no "body". That left footer in traffic to spot up Owies was sublime (again right in front me so I had the perfect view). The kid is confident that's for sure.
Your outs are interesting, Weiters is all at sea, I wonder if they are brave enough to give me a rest? Acres? I can now see why he came so cheap. I can't kelp but think he s an upgrade on Ed only in terms of age. Big body who runs up and down the wing to create a contest but he is bloody awful with the ball in hand.
Is Cowan injured? I think Hollands needs a rest although he is one of the few who tries so hard to get to a contest and try and halve it. His disposal is very good for a young kid with no "body". That left footer in traffic to spot up Owies was sublime (again right in front me so I had the perfect view). The kid is confident that's for sure.
Holland reminds me of Lappin.
Scrawny but gives his all.
I am working on Saturday after having to do a Friday twilight event too so I won't get to see much of this game live. This doesn't particularly worry me as I don't think we are going to get close to the Pies as they are playing a really inspiring brand of footy right now. They are enjoying themselves and are unified in the one pursuit, something we can only dream of right now !!
As far as the club overall goes, I think it's time to put a complete media ban on EVERYONE (and I mean everyone, board, coaches, admins, players, coterie groups etc) at the club until such time as we have delivered some serious results onfield. Naturally Vossy is the exception as he has to do the compulsory post match presser each week.
We are sick & tired of hearing the platitudes and motherhood statements, there is nothing anyone at the club can say now, we have heard it too many times already and we sure as hell are not buying it any more either.
If they don't want to come out with comments from the heart like "no, it wasn't good enough and we have let our supporters down yet again" then stop wasting your time & ours.
Results or STFU !!!!
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If they don't want to come out with comments from the heart like "no, it wasn't good enough and we have let our supporters down yet again" then stop wasting your time & ours.
Results or STFU !!!!
So if the club came out and said "we let our supporters down" and we can see it comes from the heart (whatever that means) that would be sufficient to placate the angry hordes ? Somehow I doubt it. At any rate, I'd be wary of assuming there's only one audience when such comments are made. There's a number of stakeholders that get addressed in public announcements from the club, be they media, fans, players, marketers, coterie groups, other clubs, the AFL.
If Voss or anyone else said "we let our supporters down yet again" every time we lose, it would carry no weight or believability at all. I much rather they behave professionally rather than angry fanboys.
The chasm that exists between ideas fans have about AFL football, and the actual reality of what being an AFL Club / footballer entails, seems to get bigger and bigger.
I watched the Lyon presser after today's game, and the last question he was asked was about giving a spray at quarter time. Listen to his answer. In fact, watch the whole presser. If you didn't know the score, judging by his comments, you'd think they won. Barely a bad word about his own team.
Team morale is sometimes fragile when the team is out of form.
Yo go hard at them and expect more when you are winning.. when form is poor losing the dressing room is the worst possible results.
They will go on about their business in a professional manner with reviews and what not. I believe in this squad and reckon they will turn it around. But going hard at them now is totally the wrong move for team morale.
BTW I am not concerned that we are going to get reamed - we are due to bottom out in the current out of form cycle that happens to all teams during the year. The team is not playing too badly but in case you missed it our small forwards are the worst in the competition.
Tassie Blues! ;D
We'd get good draft picks early.
BTW I am not concerned that we are going to get reamed - we are due to bottom out in the current out of form cycle that happens to all teams during the year. The team is not playing too badly but in case you missed it our small forwards are the worst in the competition.
Problem is the out of form cycle has been going on for 9 rounds!!
Are the small forwards really getting potted again?
We've got two coleman medalists who can't hut the side of a barn, midfielders refusing to compete and run hard, defenders leaking goals on the goal line and wingers that can't hit a teamate by foot, but somehow we aren't getting enough out of our small forwards.
I'm sick to death of hearing that. We don't even kick the ball in their direction most of the time, and when we do we expect miracles.
Small forwards. 7 to 13 possessions with a couple of tackles and hitting the scoreboard for a goal or two with the odd goal assist is what you can expect from the average small forward. Motlop was arguably the worst of the 3, but they are all a work in progress and will have up and down weeks.
Thing is, they've also been vacating the forward line in an effort to give Charlie and Harry more room but tv doesn't show you this.
I was on level 3 last night and it was our slow midfield that were terrible.
Are the small forwards really getting potted again?
We've got two coleman medalists who can't hut the side of a barn, midfielders refusing to compete and run hard, defenders leaking goals on the goal line and wingers that can't hit a teamate by foot, but somehow we aren't getting enough out of our small forwards.
I'm sick to death of hearing that. We don't even kick the ball in their direction most of the time, and when we do we expect miracles.
Small forwards. 7 to 13 possessions with a couple of tackles and hitting the scoreboard for a goal or two with the odd goal assist is what you can expect from the average small forward. Motlop was arguably the worst of the 3, but they are all a work in progress and will have up and down weeks.
Thing is, they've also been vacating the forward line in an effort to give Charlie and Harry more room but tv doesn't show you this.
Don't read Pinot's posts, and you will probably not hear it anymore.
Its a bugbear of theirs that has been going for years.
I was on level 3 last night and it was our slow midfield that were terrible.
our slow ball movement is another problem. By the time we make up out mind what to do all options are closed.
our slow ball movement is another problem. By the time we make up out mind what to do all options are closed.
Its not that hard to work out, we faf around the boundary line, meanwhile the oppo run down the middle droves and are in our F50 waiting to greet our guys when they arrive.
Our small forwards don't do enough and that's the reality, they don't get the ball enough. If we had something better they wouldn't be getting a game.
Some people want Martin back...that's a real endorsement..
Our seconds got knocked over by a bunch of high school kids, there isn't any pressure for positions and we don't have any depth.
Our small forwards don't do enough and that's the reality, they don't get the ball enough. If we had something better they wouldn't be getting a game.
Some people want Martin back...that's a real endorsement..
Our seconds got knocked over by a bunch of high school kids, there isn't any pressure for positions and we don't have any depth.
They're not bad kids and all that but they are so far off AFL standard it's driving me nuts. They need to continue to improve their craft at VFL.
Not sure what this recruitment team is going to do. But not renewing or trading a player or two out like TDK and Gov only if we can bring in small forward class like Rachele and maybe Flanders on the cheap makes sense to me.
our forwards need to be ruthless ,defensive pressure collingwood like to start attacking from there defence (daicos ,noble,Quaynor) run and run so stick to your man fwds lets go old school footy ,lets stuff coll game plan . One more thing do you think Voss and co watched 3Q of the ess v coll game and learn how ess was 28 pts up at 3/4 time might help.
our slow ball movement is another problem. By the time we make up out mind what to do all options are closed.
It's like they don't want to kick to a contest, chip around for a better option then ultimately kick it to a pack of 20 players.
I'm not sure what's going on. You can argue about what came first (list or game style), but we have slow big bodied mids that are ideal for a contested game. Kicking to the boundary and forcing stoppage after stoppage seems reasonable under the circumstances. Fast ball movement if the opposition is pressing up, giving Harry and Charlie one on one contests, also makes sense. I can only assume that Voss doesn't have confidence in our ability to limit damage on turnover, so rather than risky footy, he wants the boys to play it safe looking for an uncontested mark. Playing the uncontested game requires good pace and good endurance, because you're constantly trying to get separation on your opponent.
*Scratches head and armpits in the vain hope of finding an answer.*
I'm not sure what's going on. You can argue about what came first (list or game style), but we have slow big bodied mids that are ideal for a contested game. Kicking to the boundary and forcing stoppage after stoppage seems reasonable under the circumstances. Fast ball movement if the opposition is pressing up, giving Harry and Charlie one on one contests, also makes sense. I can only assume that Voss doesn't have confidence in our ability to limit damage on turnover, so rather than risky footy, he wants the boys to play it safe looking for an uncontested mark. Playing the uncontested game requires good pace and good endurance, because you're constantly trying to get separation on your opponent.
*Scratches head and armpits in the vain hope of finding an answer.*
Unfortunately we don't want to face the answer. Our good players make us too slow when they play together. Cripps, Kennedy, Hewitt and Cerra are fantastic players but are one paced and can't really play elsewhere.
Think Wallis at the dogs a few years ago. Even our 95 side we worked out that Barry Mitchell who was a ball magnet couldn't play in the same side as Williams because they got exposed for pace.
Small forwards might be part of the issue but thought Owies was great the other night. He's kicked 9 goals in 3 and a bit games this season.
Was bemused when I read the best player list and saw Docherty on there (thought he had a shocker with fumbles and turnovers) and Cottrell wasn't on there...thought he was close to our best in the first half when the rest were sh#thouse.
McKay needs a spell in the VFL...even if it's one game. Go back, take a ton of marks on some inexperienced bloke and just kick a bag of goals for the confidence. He looks shot to bits at the moment. Even if it means TDK comes in and plays as a tall forward and part-time in the ruck.
I'd back Weitering in. It was this game last year where he got injured and it went downhill from there with injuries to tall defenders.
Unfortunately we don't want to face the answer. Our good players make us too slow when they play together. Cripps, Kennedy, Hewitt and Cerra are fantastic players but are one paced and can't really play elsewhere.
Think Wallis at the dogs a few years ago. Even our 95 side we worked out that Barry Mitchell who was a ball magnet couldn't play in the same side as Williams because they got exposed for pace.
I do understand your point. I think lack of midfield pace is one issue, the other one is sloppy ball use / decision making. Our list does have players with pace, but they either have other deficiencies that mean they're not best 22 (think Dow) or they're injured (think Cuningham). If were we able to field our best, balanced 22, and tidy up disposal, we would play deep in finals IMO.
EDIT : and our best 22 may mean that one of the slow mids misses out, as you hint.
PP....to follow up on that, I found Ed as a strange choice for the sub to be honest. Hollands might've been due for a rest but Ed doesn't really add that extra pace, even if he's fresh off the bench. Someone like a Kemp or Boyd is more appealing IMO. Obviously hindsight is wonderful if you lose a tall early in the game and only have a small as the sub....but someone with some real legs in the last quarter would've been handy.
Small forwards might be part of the issue but thought Owies was great the other night. He's kicked 9 goals in 3 and a bit games this season.
Was bemused when I read the best player list and saw Docherty on there (thought he had a shocker with fumbles and turnovers) and Cottrell wasn't on there...thought he was close to our best in the first half when the rest were sh#thouse.
McKay needs a spell in the VFL...even if it's one game. Go back, take a ton of marks on some inexperienced bloke and just kick a bag of goals for the confidence. He looks shot to bits at the moment. Even if it means TDK comes in and plays as a tall forward and part-time in the ruck.
I'd back Weitering in. It was this game last year where he got injured and it went downhill from there with injuries to tall defenders.
Our small forwards need to get a lot more accountable this game...we are going to have Noble, Quaynor and N. Daicos running loose if they dont stick close and make life hard for them.
I think Cottrell may get a look at Nick Daicos.....he hasnt had much joy with brother Josh or Sidebottom over the journey but I think
Cottrell might be best suited to follow Nick around and then have someone rotate with him so he has a rest and then can go back on him again. Keeping the Daicos kids to less than 45 possies total will go a long way to winning the game.
Weitering is defending ok its just his disposal has been Liam Jones like of late and a real liability and its probably not going to get any easier given how Collingwood pressure and force turn overs but he is a class act and Id back him in to recover some composure and settle again.
PP....to follow up on that, I found Ed as a strange choice for the sub to be honest. Hollands might've been due for a rest but Ed doesn't really add that extra pace, even if he's fresh off the bench. Someone like a Kemp or Boyd is more appealing IMO. Obviously hindsight is wonderful if you lose a tall early in the game and only have a small as the sub....but someone with some real legs in the last quarter would've been handy.
I don't feel qualified to really offer an opinion on the sub. It's a new thing, and I guess the clubs are still figuring it out as well. Ed Curnow can run all game, just not very quickly. So yes, I'm not sure what the thinking was.
Small forwards might be part of the issue but thought Owies was great the other night. He's kicked 9 goals in 3 and a bit games this season.
More importantly, 9 goals 1 behind. Extremely accurate is Matty, a rare commodity.
It's like they don't want to kick to a contest, chip around for a better option then ultimately kick it to a pack of 20 players.
I think it's because our players had a crap off season so we are trying to control the tempo to give us a chance to win.
The tell was docherty and Saad coming back so quick on the back of injuries that usually cost weeks and weeks.
We look like we are in very poor condition generally. The bulldogs easily found another gear when it was needed.
Fans on here told me their mindsets when they were more annoyed by throwing the last 10 minutes away, but for me it was too late. That first half was so bad that I wasn't worried about the result. 1 goal from 20 plus inside 50s is way too wasteful.
More importantly, 9 goals 1 behind. Extremely accurate is Matty, a rare commodity.
Agree. We need a couple more to keep him company.
We traditionally have problems against the same players every time against this mob. That's crap coaching.
For starters, I'd be playing TdK and H as a tag team on Moore and play way up the ground, maybe on a wing as an outlet option for defence. Surely they can out mark anybody if Moore doesn't follow them down the ground? Make the pies react to us and buy more real estate in the corridor not the wings. Going wide doesn't work.
Charlie stays inside 50. Clear it out Deal with that pies. Make them sweat.
Owies + 1 as hit up/ground level options. Owies consistently finds space.
Kennedy starts across half forward as an additional hit up option.
Kemp plays as, probably as the sub, he's more versatile size-wise as a defender. Young may be the one to miss.
Park somebody on Daicos and make him accountable, maybe Docherty is smart enough to hurt him by sneaking some shots on goal if Daicos gets loose? And Docherty can be effective in all parts of the ground.
No kick chasing in defence - none. Maybe MacG for deGoey, he's about the right size.
I was tempted to pick Dow but all midfielders are going to have to run very hard both ways for us to win this, but Dow running forwards at every opportunity is something I like the sound of.
We traditionally have problems against the same players every time against this mob. That's crap coaching.
For starters, I'd be playing TdK and H as a tag team on Moore and play way up the ground, maybe on a wing as an outlet option for defence. Surely they can out mark anybody if Moore doesn't follow them down the ground? Make the pies react to us and buy more real estate in the corridor not the wings. Going wide doesn't work.
Charlie stays inside 50. Clear it out Deal with that pies. Make them sweat.
Owies + 1 as hit up/ground level options. Owies consistently finds space.
Kennedy starts across half forward as an additional hit up option.
Kemp plays as, probably as the sub, he's more versatile size-wise as a defender. Young may be the one to miss.
Park somebody on Daicos and make him accountable, maybe Docherty is smart enough to hurt him by sneaking some shots on goal if Daicos gets loose? And Docherty can be effective in all parts of the ground.
No kick chasing in defence - none. Maybe MacG for deGoey, he's about the right size.
I was tempted to pick Dow but all midfielders are going to have to run very hard both ways for us to win this, but Dow running forwards at every opportunity is something I like the sound of.
I like the idea of Doc to Daicos. The obvious one to me was Cottrell.
I like the idea of Doc to Daicos. The obvious one to me was Cottrell.
Need more than one player on Nick, his running is off the charts. Cottrell has struggled keeping up with Josh in the past and you need a few players to work them over. I like the idea of someone who can punish Nick for not defending and force Collingwood to change their plans.
It's the pace and ball movement of Collingwood that kills you, they always have that overlap runner and I think that's why the Crows were able to almost match them because they are young and have leg speed to keep up.
We could do with a wet day to make it more contested and slow the game up.
Need more than one player on Nick, his running is off the charts. Cottrell has struggled keeping up with Josh in the past and you need a few players to work them over. I like the idea of someone who can punish Nick for not defending and force Collingwood to change their plans.
It's the pace and ball movement of Collingwood that kills you, they always have that overlap runner and I think that's why the Crows were able to almost match them because they are young and have leg speed to keep up.
We could do with a wet day to make it more contested and slow the game up.
I tend to think they dont care if he doesn't defend, the maths says he does more good than harm. I think you need to limit the good. I'd back Cottrell in to keep up with him all day and hurt him offensively also.
Need more than one player on Nick, his running is off the charts. Cottrell has struggled keeping up with Josh in the past and you need a few players to work them over. I like the idea of someone who can punish Nick for not defending and force Collingwood to change their plans.
It's the pace and ball movement of Collingwood that kills you, they always have that overlap runner and I think that's why the Crows were able to almost match them because they are young and have leg speed to keep up.
We could do with a wet day to make it more contested and slow the game up.
Me thinks we have bigger issues to worry about than opposition players, like 1 goal from 29 entries!!!
I tend to think they dont care if he doesn't defend, the maths says he does more good than harm. I think you need to limit the good. I'd back Cottrell in to keep up with him all day and hurt him offensively also.
Cottrell has really struggled on Josh and Sidebottom in the past.Thought he ran out of gas vs the Dogs....
Cottrell has really struggled on Josh and Sidebottom in the past.Thought he ran out of gas vs the Dogs....
That was one game last year where we had no backline and he was pushing back to help out clearly by instruction.
He is the best runner at our club and one of the best in the AFL. He had a game high 27 (running over 24km/hr for more than 1 second) sprints last week which is actually low for him.
That was one game last year where we had no backline and he was pushing back to help out clearly by instruction.
He is the best runner at our club and one of the best in the AFL. He had a game high 27 (running over 24km/hr for more than 1 second) sprints last week which is actually low for him.
And he'll be better for the run.
That was one game last year where we had no backline and he was pushing back to help out clearly by instruction.
He is the best runner at our club and one of the best in the AFL. He had a game high 27 (running over 24km/hr for more than 1 second) sprints last week which is actually low for him.
Their wingers have really flogged us in the past, they are at another level in ability....
Their wingers have really flogged us in the past, they are at another level in ability....
One of the footy shows showed them at work the other week. Pendlebury, Sidebottom and both Daicos bros are constantly rotating between half back and the wings. They're making it incredibly tough to match up on. We can put a hard tag on Nick but the other 3 can chop you to pieces as well.
One of the footy shows showed them at work the other week. Pendlebury, Sidebottom and both Daicos bros are constantly rotating between half back and the wings. They're making it incredibly tough to match up on. We can put a hard tag on Nick but the other 3 can chop you to pieces as well.
They run them through the middle too at centre bounces late in games too when the pace is off the game, Sidebottom and Pendleburys disposal is at another level in terms of setting up other players.
You need your own large group of mids to keep up the pressure, the Crows had that and youthful legs which evened things up....
I thought Cripps presser we pretty good, told it like it is, good to come from this lot you should back them in!
I thought Cripps presser we pretty good, told it like it is, good to come from this lot you should back them in!
I agree, but the subset of supporters who think players should "bleed for the jumper", or hang their heads in shame, or self flagellate and apologise profusely every time they lose, will probably not want to waste their time.
I thought Cripps presser we pretty good, told it like it is, good to come from this lot you should back them in!
I thought that was excellent from the Skipper, honest and to the point. As supporters, we ride the wave of emotions and probably stay flat as tack after a series of losses. These guys need to stay positive and move on pretty quickly to focus on the next opponent all the while getting battered from pillar to post in the media. Not easy but that's life for an AFL footballer and coach. It will turn.
who ever plays on nick daicos ,should be our main focus wen we go forward
Not easy but that's life for an AFL footballer and coach. It will turn.
Wouldn't it be good for the worm to turn in our next couple of home games against the Filth and Cheats over the next few weeks, and if we can steal an away win in between even better!
You just know, as always, they will be hell bent on kicking us while we are down. Sheedy will be handing out free lectures on how to defeat Carlton, McGuire will be telling everyone the competition needs a strong Carlton, only to shiv us off camera. Balme will be barracking for another Carlton bashing, with Clarkson cheering on, while muppets like BT and Darcy struggling to contain their shameful joy.
We should take no higher joy than to collectively sit these luddites on their fat ar5e!
Wouldn't it be nice if our current "Wobbles" turned out to be contagious?
re: Cripps Presser........Dorothy Dix contrived event that probably wasnt needed. Just win the game this weekend and give us results not excuses and I am sick of hearing the same "we are working hard BS" especially on our execution. Think we have executed poorly all season and are about 15th in that area. Only thing missing was the " green shoots" and we are sticking together routine.
If he could have explained why only Cerra is in the top 100 mids at No 52 for disposal impact that would have been more enlightening and why he was at around 360 on that list himself.
We are better team than what we are showing.
I gave the team C+ against the Dogs only because almost 3/4 of the game was played on our terms would have got a B- if execution was right a B if there was a functioning forward of center line. But defensive structure was superb I thought apart from some poor execution. Pressure around the ball and putting on heat and squeezing the opposition from their half back from our mids was at a high standard. We got this part of the game absolutely spot on and teams don't waltz for easy goals any more.
Just some ground ball class forward of centre will be the icing and unless Martin and Cunners pull off a miracle its unlikely to happen this year.
I thought Cripps presser we pretty good, told it like it is, good to come from this lot you should back them in!
Of those representing the club in the media over the last couple of weeks -- Cookie, Vossy, Lloyd & Cerra -- Crippa, with his honesty and sincere faith in his team-mates and process, was easily the best and most reassuring of the bunch.
We are better team than what we are showing.
I gave the team C+ against the Dogs only because almost 3/4 of the game was played on our terms would have got a B- if execution was right a B if there was a functioning forward of center line. But defensive structure was superb I thought apart from some poor execution. Pressure around the ball and putting on heat and squeezing the opposition from their half back from our mids was at a high standard. We got this part of the game absolutely spot on and teams don't waltz for easy goals any more.
Just some ground ball class forward of centre will be the icing and unless Martin and Cunners pull off a miracle its unlikely to happen this year.
Bulldogs were less efficient inside 50 than we were, we also lost the clearances, tackle count and they had the better disposal efficiency...reckon we are kidding ourselves if we think we deserved to win that game.
Daicos could be an issue.
We have a few options IMO depending on who we actually pick.
1. Ed Curnow - He has history as a tagger. We know he can stick to a man and has a tank to go with him all day. If he plays in the middle, Ed has probably even has him covered. He has the footy smarts, and the hunger to do the job.
2. Cottrell - Has a great tank, loves the physicality, comes off a good game last week so is in form as well.
3. Hollands - A bit more left field, but perhaps thats what we need. Hollands is an elite runner, even more so than the above 2 who used to be top 3 in time trials every time. Not only will he be able to stay with Daicos for the day, he will actually benefit from it getting a front row seat to what an elite midfielder looks like. Perhaps least likely from these 3 to get the job, but has the most to gain if he did. Be good for his development, and confidence if he goes ok.
1. Ed - A nod to the past
2. Cottrell - An view of the now
3. Hollands - An eye on the future.
Be interesting to see what path the MC take.
Daicos could be an issue.
We have a few options IMO depending on who we actually pick.
1. Ed Curnow - He has history as a tagger. We know he can stick to a man and has a tank to go with him all day. If he plays in the middle, Ed has probably even has him covered. He has the footy smarts, and the hunger to do the job.
2. Cottrell - Has a great tank, loves the physicality, comes off a good game last week so is in form as well.
3. Hollands - A bit more left field, but perhaps thats what we need. Hollands is an elite runner, even more so than the above 2 who used to be top 3 in time trials every time. Not only will he be able to stay with Daicos for the day, he will actually benefit from it getting a front row seat to what an elite midfielder looks like. Perhaps least likely from these 3 to get the job, but has the most to gain if he did. Be good for his development, and confidence if he goes ok.
1. Ed - A nod to the past
2. Cottrell - An view of the now
3. Hollands - An eye on the future.
Be interesting to see what path the MC take.
Hollands might get Josh.....Daicos bros usually get 60 possies plus between them and Josh tends to sneak under the radar.
Reckon Ed might be struggling to get a game this week and we will look for more leg speed, Id probably leave him in but I reckon the MC might include some younger legs.
Hollands might get Josh.....Daicos bros usually get 60 possies plus between them and Josh tends to sneak under the radar.
Reckon Ed might be struggling to get a game this week and we will look for more leg speed, Id probably leave him in but I reckon the MC might include some younger legs.
If we pick a team for us....Ed doesn't play.
If we pick a team to play the opposition, Ed definitely should be in contention.
If we pick a team for us....Ed doesn't play.
If we pick a team to play the opposition, Ed definitely should be in contention.
The fact Ed's name is being tossed up and being an option confirms how bare our cupboard is and how reactive our club has become. Wonder if i will ever see the day when we are the hunted. You would think they would be sh1t scared on how to stop Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Charlie, Harry etc but nope these pr1cks are so confident that just go out on the offensive, trust there gameplan and skills and let the opposition dare try to stop them. And as we know even if you do get 5 goals up late they believe they can run over the opposition. They are easily a 5-6 goal better side then us at the moment.
Unless we come out with 100% effort on the full offensive our skill are clean and we kick straight and put it on the scoreboard (that's 3 unlikely occurrences in one sentence) we wont even be competitive. Anything less and they will pound us to a pulp and that fking coooooooolingwood chant will be around the stadium early in the last quarter imo.
They have clean users, more pace, a better game plan and a better coach. Just too much for an out of confidence team to overcome.
All sides struggle when you apply maximum pressure at the source and on the ball carrier when they get it. Win the contested ball (which we are quite capable of doing) and chase/tackle with intent. Hunt the b####ds. If we let them run free and cede the corridor like we often do, they'll win by 10 easing up.
Their wingers have really flogged us in the past, they are at another level in ability....
It's why we have to think outside the box a little with our selections plus we need to send a message that sloppy performances won't be tolerated.
B :
Kemp, Young,
CowanHB : Cincotta, Weitering, Newman
C : Saad, Cripps, Walsh
HF : Cerra, McGovern, Curnow
F: McKay, Motlop, Hollands
R : Pittonet, Hewett, Docherty
I/C :
De Koning,
Binns, Owies, Cottrell
Its not that hard to work out, we faf around the boundary line, meanwhile the oppo run down the middle droves and are in our F50 waiting to greet our guys when they arrive.
I get the idea it's deliberate to make our opposition flood back and then try execute a forward press. A defensive move IMHO.
Pies by 26.
Hope it's Blues by 26, but...
Go Blues- time to click
Pies by 26.
Hope it's Blues by 26, but...
Go Blues- time to click
Against BrisVegas I think you predicted 16... not far off the mark. So... gulp!
I've lowered my expectations. Just hoping for a four qtr good showing... with more instinctual, bold movement of the aggott, and dare I say... everyone with a better than 65% disposal! 1975... Supertramp!!!
If we don't change anything following the Dogs game then we would be looking at a 30ish points loss imo.
Let's hope a few things will have improved.
I actually think we did well against the Dogs just need to do the 2nd half and abit last week for four quarters.
Can't have 29 entries for one goal and minimum score board impact - small forwards need to lift the whole teams needs to find another gear and play four quarters first time this year. Wouldn't mind to see a line in the sand game and start the game with a brawl to soften them up.
Slow motion Blues … from Riley Beveridge on AFL.com
Carlton is among the slowest ball-movement sides in the competition.
According to Champion Data, the Blues rank No.3 for disposals this season. However, despite possessing so much of the ball, they rank No.14 for inside-50s. Quite simply, they're not controlling the footy in the most dangerous areas.
To further illustrate that, Carlton ranks No.16 in the league for percentage of kicks going forward. For context, only Hawthorn and North Melbourne rate lower. The Blues also rank No.16 for percentage of kicks going long.
Too many players racking up useless stats , kicking too short and taking us nowhere apart from allowing opposition teams time to get back in numbers and clog our forward line.
Too many players racking up useless stats , kicking too short and taking us nowhere apart from allowing opposition teams time to get back in numbers and clog our forward line.
Yet, ironically I'd say one of our biggest problems are the long bombs into F50.
It's pretty easy to imagine you found the issue when you look at the stats, but it is a stark contrast to what many of us think are the real problems.
Let's face it, when that last kick goes directly to an opposition player, how many attempts we have, how quickly they happen and how long the kicks might be doesn't really make much difference. We miss targets from 20m and from 60m pretty much equally.
If I had a guess, I'd say when entering F50 we tend to try and kick to a player, rather than kicking to the clear space we want the player to move into. I recall back in the day Fev would go ballistic when player up the field sat the footy on his head, or worse over his head, he wanted it out in front and if there was to be an error then make it too short not too long, and definitely not too slow and high.
But we've been doing this crap for almost two decades, and just last weekend multiple times we sat the pill on Motlop's or Durdin's head, not that it helps if Motlop isn't moving because you basically have to pick him out.
With a player like Charlie, the slow movement might actually help him, because aerobically he has almost all opponents easily covered and gets them on the final lead every time!
Yet, ironically I'd say one of our biggest problems are the long bombs into F50.
It's pretty easy to imagine you found the issue when you look at the stats, but it is a stark contrast to what many of us think are the real problems.
Let's face it, when that last kick goes directly to an opposition player, how many attempts we have, how quickly they happen and how long the kicks might be doesn't really make much difference. We miss targets from 20m and from 60m pretty much equally.
If I had a guess, I'd say when entering F50 we tend to try and kick to a player, rather than kicking to the clear space we want the player to move into. I recall back in the day Fev would go ballistic when player up the field sat the footy on his head, or worse over his head, he wanted it out in front and if there was to be an error then make it too short not too long, and definitely not too slow and high.
Look at the midfielder disposal stats(fox footy) vs Impact....only Cerra at No 52 is in the top 100....Walsh and Cripps are in the 300's.
Kennedy and Hewett are outside the top hundred and 200 respectively.....very hard to win games when your prime movers cant use the ball well and connect with your forwards.
Trent Cotchin went through a period where he racked up useless ineffective stats between half back and half forward and we have 3-4 Cotchins doing the same stuff for us.....3rd for possession yet 14th for I50's....time for Voss to make some changes and get more effective players in the middle bringing the ball forward.
Maybe Saad has to play further up the ground for example and we play through him more.......
Against BrisVegas I think you predicted 16... not far off the mark. So... gulp!
I've lowered my expectations. Just hoping for a four qtr good showing... with more instinctual, bold movement of the aggott, and dare I say... everyone with a better than 65% disposal! 1975... Supertramp!!!
First game back at the G since round 2, we are, and I expect to see, a different Carlton which will beat the Pies.
But we've been doing this crap for almost two decades, and just last weekend multiple times we sat the pill on Motlop's or Durdin's head, not that it helps if Motlop isn't moving because you basically have to pick him out.
I have noticed way too many times players putting the ball on the head of one of the smaller players - giving them little or no chance - at the end of the day this is simply a wasted inside 50. I have often wondered when a player going forward looks up and sees only a Motlop or a Durdin if they would not create a better contest by skidding it along the ground and give the much smaller player a chance to contest at ground level rather than in the air.
First game back at the G since round 2, we are, and I expect to see, a different Carlton which will beat the Pies.
I think we can win too....not based on much logic apart from the fact the Pies have been up a while and are a tad cocky and we should have a backs to the wall approach which should harden our resolve.
They will come in expecting to run over the top of us but I expect to build up a lead and hold this time.
Charlie and Harry are our two aces and I expect a 8-10 goal haul....
If we had won againt the Dogs I would have expected us to get hammered but its all about timing and momentum and this week I expect us to be up and about with Cripps and Walsh leading the way.
Blues by 15 points......Swans will probably beat us the following week but if we can beat Collingwood and Essendon then I will be more than happy as I despise both clubs.
Look at the midfielder disposal stats(fox footy) vs Impact....only Cerra at No 52 is in the top 100....Walsh and Cripps are in the 300's.
Kennedy and Hewett are outside the top hundred and 200 respectively.....
Not sure what stats you are looking at Supercoach?
If I look at player / game stats, averages not totals, Walsh is top 10 midfield for both Fox Footy and AFL, Doc is Top 20 with Cerra in 3rd. But the order depends how you filter the stats. If you post a link I'll probably get a better idea of what you mean.
On DE, Cerra, Doc and Acres are all highly rated, with Saad and Kennedy also just outside Top 100.
If you asked me about Carlton 2023, in terms of game impact, Newman, Weiters, Saad and Doc would have to be right up there in the rankings. But it's such a subjective way to rank players, because the terms aren't literal.
Not sure what stats you are looking at Supercoach?
If I look at player / game stats, averages not totals, Walsh is top 10 midfield for both Fox Footy and AFL, Doc is Top 20 with Cerra in 3rd. But the order depends how you filter the stats. If you post a link I'll probably get a better idea of what you mean.
On DE, Cerra, Doc and Acres are all highly rated, with Saad and Kennedy also just outside Top 100.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/blues-seduced-by-false-dawn-as-sorry-stats-reveal-just-how-far-superstars-have-fallen/news-story/850d75fe92a379e1350a4cf8ecd9d7d6
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/blues-seduced-by-false-dawn-as-sorry-stats-reveal-just-how-far-superstars-have-fallen/news-story/850d75fe92a379e1350a4cf8ecd9d7d6
Yes, I see, the "Impact" thing is a bit of a made up figure, you can tweak the terms to give the type of measures you want.
I suspect it's being taken out of Supercoach or something like that, stats that might involve some arbitrary measure.
When the media write stuff like "Statistics Show" and do not link to the stats, be very very wary, it could be the figures are made up, or are based on rubbery sets of statistics! It could be Nana Mouskouri's Excel Spreadsheet
I know when felling disgruntled it can be comforting to find someone who bashes the club, emotionally we want to find a reason and tend to just agree with findings that support our feelings, but pause for a minute or two and remain sceptical.
Last weekend we basically outplayed the Dogs for 3-qtrs, but we were missing one piece of the puzzle, scoring. We were like the Titanic, nothing really fundamentally technically wrong, just a very very poor set of circumstances exacerbated by some bad decisions.
I think we can win too....not based on much logic apart from the fact the Pies have been up a while and are a tad cocky and we should have a backs to the wall approach which should harden our resolve.
They will come in expecting to run over the top of us but I expect to build up a lead and hold this time.
Charlie and Harry are our two aces and I expect a 8-10 goal haul....
If we had won againt the Dogs I would have expected us to get hammered but its all about timing and momentum and this week I expect us to be up and about with Cripps and Walsh leading the way.
Blues by 15 points......Swans will probably beat us the following week but if we can beat Collingwood and Essendon then I will be more than happy as I despise both clubs.
EB I watched the WBs game again and this is going to sound stupid but FMD I reckon we were unlucky. I never mention the word luck but by Jesus some of our kicks just missed the target on so many occasions. I think we played well, took the game on, but field kicks and couple of shots and goal (Harrys and Charlies drop punts) only just missed. Also unlucky with a few frees, Charlie kick to the head should have been reported let alone a free, Gov got tunneled and got up gingerly, a 50m penalty wasn't paid when a WBs players ran right passed our bloke with the footy (not following his man). Owies ended up scoring his second in the next passage but the 50m should have been paid. My point is, tidy up some of that, keep taking the game on and we'll do ok. Sure we fell asleep in the last few minutes but still...
The fact that our midfield is of a type has been discussed many times. Also, I don't think Walsh is "inflexible." You can take a positive and a negative out of that form line. On the positive side, we need 18/22 contributors to really go deep in finals. We hit the lead in the Dogs game with a few minutes to go, and that was on the back of the lesser lights, as many of our stars were / are out of sorts. We cannot expect Weitering, Charlie, Mckay, Cripps, Walsh to play blinders every week for us to win. It's a small sample space, but that good finish on the back of B and C graders is a positive step IMO.
Yes, I see, the "Impact" thing is a bit of a made up figure, you can tweak the terms to give the type of measures you want.
I suspect it's being taken out of Supercoach or something like that, stats that might involve some arbitrary measure.
When the media write stuff like "Statistics Show" and do not link to the stats, be very very wary, it could be the figures are made up, or are based on rubbery sets of statistics! It could be Nana Mouskouri's Excel Spreadsheet
I know when felling disgruntled it can be comforting to find someone who bashes the club, emotionally we want to find a reason and tend to just agree with findings that support our feelings, but pause for a minute or two and remain sceptical.
Last weekend we basically outplayed the Dogs for 3-qtrs, but we were missing one piece of the puzzle, scoring. We were like the Titanic, nothing really fundamentally technically wrong, just a very very poor set of circumstances exacerbated by some bad decisions.
How did we outplay them?...look at the stats.....they won more stoppages, won the tackle count and were less efficient than us I50? yet beat us on the scoreboard easily.
Everyone knows our mids are a poor kicking group...even new players like Acres are not that reliable and we even have our better kicking players like Weitering kicking poorly.
I like Sheiks idea of Saad up the ground and Id be playing someone like Boyd in his place down back who is meant to be a good kick and trying to kick longer and more efficiently and run the ball more.
Id be looking at Binns and Dow as well for that extra run and getting the ball out of the hands of Cripps, Hewett, Walsh and Kennedy more and getting rid of the Cotchin like disposals that take us nowhere.
How did we outplay them?...look at the stats.....they won more stoppages, won the tackle count and were less efficient than us I50? yet beat us on the scoreboard easily.
Yet for the vast bulk of the game we were double the Dogs for I50s and the like, which 9 out of 10 times would basically be the ultimate measure.
The Dogs didn't score with any great efficiency, in fact they barely scrapped in on the AFL average, but we were way way below the AFL average early, and below our own average, that was the difference. The media can sit around pumping up the Dogs tyres but I doubt they will, they had a skin of the teeth escape, they were also dead ordinary. They looked like two middle order teams.
Also, a lot of fans are bashing on about cheap stats, uncontested possessions and the like, but the Dogs actually had more UCs than Carlton, and Carlton won more Contested Possessions. I50s broke even by the end of the game, with I50 efficiency just a bees different in the end.
We actually managed to keep the Dogs down on most of their 2023 averages, that's a stat of significance, but nobody is going to mention it because we lost.
But at the start of the game there is no denying, we clearly were dead ordinary, with I50 after I50 being a null result, ultimately that cost us, a lot of good effort with no result.
The dogs were poor, we were worse.
Certainly not a great 4 quarter performance by either team, but the Dogs have won 6 out of their last 7, so they're not easy beats, and they are in the midst of a purple patch.
Let's be brutally honest with ourselves here ...... if we offer up the same woeful first half to the Pies like we did against the Dogs, it will well & truly be over at half-time.
They will make us pay for any lack of pressure, onfield indiscretions, skill errors & inaccurate kicking for goal.
Once they get a good lead, they pressure the opposition hard and never give them any opportunity of clawing their way back into the game.
The only way to beat them is attack, attack and then keep attacking. No lead is insurmountable in their eyes, when an opposition team tries to run the clock down or play safe, they smell the blood in the water and come at them even harder.
We have defenders coming out of our ying-yang so its time to rethink our options. Saad & Walsh to the wings all match gives us some serious running & clearance power that may be the edge we need to topple them. Whilst I never thought I'd say it but McGovern to the forwardline makes us less predictable too.
Let's be brutally honest with ourselves here ...... if we offer up the same woeful first half to the Pies like we did against the Dogs, it will well & truly be over at half-time.
They will make us pay for any lack of pressure, onfield indiscretions, skill errors & inaccurate kicking for goal.
Once they get a good lead, they pressure the opposition hard and never give them any opportunity of clawing their way back into the game.
The only way to beat them is attack, attack and then keep attacking. No lead is insurmountable in their eyes, when an opposition team tries to run the clock down or play safe, they smell the blood in the water and come at them even harder.
We have defenders coming out of our ying-yang so its time to rethink our options. Saad & Walsh to the wings all match gives us some serious running & clearance power that may be the edge we need to topple them. Whilst I never thought I'd say it but McGovern to the forwardline makes us less predictable too.
I like the Saad to the wing idea so he is in the play more and being used as a weapon. Boyd can come in and play in his spot down back.Dont mind Walsh on the wing either, would give Sidebottom and J Daicos something to think about and change how Collingwood operate. Id use Kennedy down forward in a leadup role and try and leave Harry one out....presuming Moore will get Charlie and Id let let Charlie work up the ground more like Cameron of Geelong does.
Half their players are soft and the lads need to expose them in a tough brutal brand of footy where the pressure gauge is at its peak four quarter.
Half their players are soft and the lads need to expose them in a tough brutal brand of footy where the pressure gauge is at its peak four quarter.
Soft? What nonsense, they are the best team in the comp in just about every facet and they get their no 1 ruck back this week. Our blokes need to be at their very best (and then some) to beat them.
Half their players are soft and the lads need to expose them in a tough brutal brand of footy where the pressure gauge is at its peak four quarter.
Nick Daicos has really got the treatment of late and surprised me with how he just picks himself up and carries on playing the game. Thought he would sook it up a bit but he seems to absorb the physical stuff well and I seem to remember his father was a bit the same.
Would like us to try something radical, especially if Darcy is coming back. I would have Pittonet ruck himself into the ground. Just go for as long as he can and not give himself a rest. I honestly believe JSOS' game suffers as a result of him supplying a chop-out and think was the reason Young had such a poor game the week before. Hopefully Pitt can get to 3qtr time and then we bring on TDK for the last. Hawks used to sub McEvoy out in this way.
Just a thought
Nick Daicos has really got the treatment of late and surprised me with how he just picks himself up and carries on playing the game. Thought he would sook it up a bit but he seems to absorb the physical stuff well and I seem to remember his father was a bit the same.
I think they're soft and havent been exposed enough with unsocial footy.
Nick and Josh are soft recievers
Pendles, Sidebottom and Mitchell are soft
Hill, Markov, WHE, Ginnivan are all soft
But they play well as a unit and need to be disrupted.
Our lads need to be completely brutal
I think they're soft and havent been exposed enough with unsocial footy.
Nick and Josh are soft recievers
Pendles, Sidebottom and Mitchell are soft
Hill, Markov, WHE, Ginnivan are all soft
But they play well as a unit and need to be disrupted.
Our lads need to be completely brutal
We are not exactly the hardest team in the comp either...not sure it's our game style to be over physical.
We are not exactly the hardest team in the comp either...not sure it's our game style to be over physical.
We were very hard for much of last year, brutal at contests. Need to return to that.
We were very hard for much of last year, brutal at contests. Need to return to that.
Hard at the contest for sure at our best but I wouldnt call us unsocial or nasty.
Hard at the contest for sure at our best but I wouldnt call us unsocial or nasty.
Jordan Lewis commented about us in one game last year, cant remember which one, said we added a brutal and ruthless edge to our game. He'd know as he was a kent when he played.
Jordan Lewis commented about us in one game last year, cant remember which one, said we added a brutal and ruthless edge to our game. He'd know as he was a kent when he played.
So much of this comes down to confidence, with confidence you hesitate less, and everything seems easier, doubt breeds delay and then you act too late.
So much of this comes down to confidence, with confidence you hesitate less, and everything seems easier, doubt breeds delay and then you act too late.
With the exception of maybe the Adelaide game, I haven't seen (to me eye at least) any issues with effort from our guys nor with our physicality. Sure they may take it easier at certain contests where there is risk to the opponent (and hence suspension) but in general, to suggest our blokes (or any AFL player for that matter) is soft is nonsense. I have always maintained his view and always will. It takes great courage to play at the highest level and being a thug like the old days is not being harder. I agree with you 100% about confidence, that applies to all facets of the game and once you get on a positive roll (like the Pies ATM), it is hard to stop. Ill say this about the Pies also, they seem to be enjoying their footy, each others company, training, etc. You saw the players reacting to the players mum giving a pre game address, they were in hysterics. Good on them. This is why whilst the results aren't going our way right now, its imperative they stay positive and enjoy all aspects of their footy whilst working their butts off to rectify their fortunes on the field.
With the exception of maybe the Adelaide game, I haven't seen (to me eye at least) any issues with effort from our guys nor with our physicality. Sure they may take it easier at certain contests where there is risk to the opponent (and hence suspension) but in general, to suggest our blokes (or any AFL player for that matter) is soft is nonsense. I have always maintained his view and always will. Its take great courage to play at the highest level and being a thug like the old days is not being harder. I agree with you 100% about confidence, that applies to all facets of the game and once you get on a positive roll (like the Pies ATM), it is hard to stop. Ill say this about the Pies also, they seem to be enjoying their footy, each others company, training, etc. You saw the players reacting to the players mum giving a pre game address, they were in hysterics. Good on them. This is way whilst the results aren't going our way right now, its imperative they stay positive and enjoy all aspects of their footy whilst working their butts off to rectify their fortunes on the field.
My point is we don't have anyone like Maynard for example who wants to rip your head off if you go the knuckle on the Daicos kids.
We have a lot of nice boys playing for us who play nice polite football.Brave at the ball but in terms of brawling and being able to intimidate it's not how we play and hasnt been for a while.
The Crows exposed us last year when they went after the man and players like Walker and Fogarty think they can bully and intimidate us....
The old successful Carlton wouldn't tolerate it but we have been other teams bitches for a while.
we are the soft team /players can some 1 name a tough player at carlton
we are the soft team /players can some 1 name a tough player at carlton
Newman.
Crippa.
Hewett.
Owies.
JSOS.
Cottrell.
Cincotta.
Boyd.
...to name some...
Newman.
Crippa.
Hewett.
Owies.
JSOS.
Cottrell.
Cincotta.
Boyd.
...to name some...
Not sure any of those names would bring great fear to the opposition......
we are the soft team /players can some 1 name a tough player at carlton
Absolute garbage post.
My point is we don't have anyone like Maynard for example who wants to rip your head off if you go the knuckle on the Daicos kids.
We have a lot of nice boys playing for us who play nice polite football.Brave at the ball but in terms of brawling and being able to intimidate it's not how we play and hasnt been for a while.
The Crows exposed us last year when they went after the man and players like Walker and Fogarty think they can bully and intimidate us....
The old successful Carlton wouldn't tolerate it but we have been other teams bitches for a while.
SOS, Doc and Newmy are the first two short tempered ones that come to mind in our side that will get straight into the oppos grills when a scuffle breaks out or something untoward happens. Cripps shows aggression when provoked also.
Last year we looked more aggressive across the board, this year not so much.
But we've got Cottrell and Owies back who lift the aggression, Cincotta looked good at first but lost a bit of confidence.
Newman doesn't take a back step, and Cowan. McGovern and Walsh while not actively nasty but they don't take a back step.
Charlie is reasonable.
BigH has a nasty streak we haven't really seen yet, just ask his brother!
Not sure soft is the correct way to describe the team, hesitance can make players look timid, but to me it's more about lost confidence.
No-one walks a fine line perhaps?
The best ways to hurt and put fear into any opponent is in the contest and on the scoreboard. A ruthless attack on the aggot is the very best form of aggression.
Charlie is reasonable.
Charlie is more than 'reasonable' if someone has a go at Ed ...... and visa versa!
Absolute garbage post.
To be fair to Pew2, I think hes talking about someone who will run through someone in their pursuit of the ball and intimidate opponents... Mitch Robinson was our last and he certainly wasn't "Nasty"
The players you listed are all hard and courageous but nasty, intimidating, scary, no.
The best ways to hurt and put fear into any opponent is in the contest and on the scoreboard. A ruthless attack on the aggot is the very best form of aggression.
Agreed, cause the opposition stress and it's their heart rate that will rise, accelerating their fatigue, and so you are better off.
Some of the old submariners poking around here must know all about the effects of stress and the rate of oxygen consumption, I know my associates who dive seem to get much longer from a full tank than any newbie, it's all about oxygen consumption and staying clam in the moment! ;)
It's no accident Cripps was seen at 1/2-time asking his team-mates to calm down two weeks back, if you don't you end up exhausted.
Agreed, cause the opposition stress and it's their heart rate that will rise, accelerating their fatigue, and so you are better off.
Some of the old submariners poking around here must know all about the effects of stress and the rate of oxygen consumption, I know my associates who dive seem to get much longer from a full tank than any newbie, it's all about oxygen consumption and staying clam in the moment! ;)
It's no accident Cripps was seen at 1/2-time asking his team-mates to calm down two weeks back, if you don't you end up exhausted.
Yep, let us be the pressure appliers this week - proactive.
In: T.De Koning, J.Boyd, Z.Fisher
Out: None
In: T.De Koning, J.Boyd, Z.Fisher
Out: None
I reckon they all might play too.....
Ed Curnow will take Nick Daicos as per the practice match. Only other change might be Boyd for Cincotta, with Fisher as sub
I reckon they all might play too.....
Or none of them...Hewett, Kennedy, Owies, Cincotta, Cottrell...They're the emegencies...Who misses out?
Certainly not Owies or Cottrell based on last week. Maybe Hewett?
Not sure any of those names would bring great fear to the opposition......
What about Stocker.....oh wait...lol.
Cottrell, Kennedy, Owies, Boyd Hewett as sub
Need a 7th forward and 7th defender and a couple for midfield rotation. It's going to be wet so need more soldiers on the ground rather than height.
Happy to see De Koning back. Pittonet's 50th game as well. Good luck.
What about Stocker.....oh wait...lol.
Actually Stocker has a bit more cheek about him than a few of our players and I have seen him stick up for his teammates.
People can criticise his football, endurance etc but he will support his teammates and have a go..
Or none of them...Hewett, Kennedy, Owies, Cincotta, Cottrell...They're the emegencies...Who misses out?
I reckon cincotta is due for a rest.
I'd play Boyd or Fisher as the sub.
Or none of them...Hewett, Kennedy, Owies, Cincotta, Cottrell...They're the emegencies...Who misses out?
Cincotta will go out I reckon. Kennedy, Owies, Cottrell, George, no way they go out. Sub will depend on weather, won't why TDK if its wet, might be if its dry(ish). Be nice to stretch them in the ruck.
Cincotta will go out I reckon. Kennedy, Owies, Cottrell, George, no way they go out. Sub will depend on weather, won't why TDK if its wet, might be if its dry(ish). Be nice to stretch them in the ruck.
Agree on Cincotta probably making way, but nothing would surprise me with this club. For the second week in a row the previous weeks sub gets a game. Kennedy deserved a promotion after Brisbane but Ed? I hope they give him the role he plays best
Agree on Cincotta probably making way, but nothing would surprise me with this club. For the second week in a row the previous weeks sub gets a game. Kennedy deserved a promotion after Brisbane but Ed? I hope they give him the role he plays best
Horses for courses, they must have a plan which requires Ed.
Horses for courses, they must have a plan which requires Ed.
A Plan?
Well there's a new thought!
Weiters on Whately
https://megaphone.link/NTETP8029826318
By jingos he speaks well.
Our MC are dead set thick as bricks. Whilst I'm happy to see TDK back, picking a wet deck to do it is a bit silly.
Kemp still missing the extended squad. That's stiff!
That's BS.
Still wondering what Dow has done wrong, and Fisher has done right to be be recalled
Horses for courses, they must have a plan which requires Ed.
A very cunning plan no doubt.
A very cunning plan no doubt.
Nah he's always injured, its a Curnow plan :D
Nah he's always injured, its a Curnow plan :D
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Fisher did not play reserves last week so surely cannot come back in. And Boyd was ordinary and needs another week.
Fisher did not play reserves last week so surely cannot come back in. And Boyd was ordinary and needs another week.
Agree about Boyd, I haven't seen anything at VFL level that suggests a promotion.
Fisher was OK in his last VFL game, but still wasted a lot of footy.
Maybe the naming of Fisher and Boyd is related to other players being borderline to get up for the weekend.
I feel this is our week, this is our time, we have been battered from pillar to post. If not for the Clarkson event this week it would have all about us. Well fark em all, let's get it done, re-boot our season and give everyone something to think about rather than something to say. Get it in quick to Harry and get him on the board early and that will get us going I reckon. There are areas we can expose them in, capitalise! They are in red hot form but surely we are far better than what we have shown in recent weeks.
Go Blues.
Can't see Fisher coming into the 22 if Owies, Motlop and Durdin are all in there.....maybe he can play on a wing if Acres or Hollands were to go out for any reason. Not a bad sub option though for a bit of pace and fresh legs in the last quarter if nothing else.
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I feel this is our week, this is our time, we have been battered from pillar to post. If not for the Clarkson event this week it would have all about us. Well fark em all, let's get it done, re-boot our season and give everyone something to think about rather than something to say. Get it in quick to Harry and get him on the board early and that will get us going I reckon. There are areas we can expose them in, capitalise! They are in red hot form but surely we are far better than what we have shown in recent weeks.
Go Blues.
They are due to lose and are ultra cocky....we usually do ok when its backs to the wall and provide extra effort and with them being so cocky and confident we can surprise them. Doesnt mean we are back in town if we win its more about the timing and catching them snoozing thinking they just have to turn up to beat us.
Im expecting Sam Walsh to have a big game as he usually does ok vs the Pies and racks up some big numbers. He is a quality player whose impact on games as been minimal since returning and that has to to turn around and I think along with Cripps they can provide the foundation for a win.
As I said before I think Harry can finish off their work given he will probably have a much smaller player on him and if it rains a bit I think that will help slow the Pies down and prevent help any miracle comebacks.
The Daicos kids have to have an off day soon as do their golden oldies in Pendles and Sidebottom, and Cox hopefully played his one good game in five last week and reverts back to being a lamppost for this game.
Nothing like beating Collingwood and Essendon to turn a season around and thats what I am hoping for.....
AFL site saying some doubt over Johnson and Ginnivan....flu.
AFL site saying some doubt over Johnson and Ginnivan....flu.
Happy to see both of them missing and sometimes things fall into place when you need them too...no Johnson would really weaken their tall stocks down forward and he has developed into a key player for them so very handy if he is flu affected.
Possibly why Cameron has been named in the squad.
Changes from Round 23 2022
Out:
Stocker, Setterfield, Martin, Marchbank, Fisher, Newnes, O'Brien, Williams
In:
Newman, Acres, Hollands, E Curnow, Walsh, Kennedy, Hewett, Boyd.
Better off personnel wise, but just needs to find top gear!!
Hewett and Cincotta out....Boyd in. Hewett the sub by the looks.
Possibly why Cameron has been named in the squad.
They are missing Frampton too and very light on for size down back so Cameron back is a bit of desperation as he has no match practice and I couldnt see him being able to run out a full game. If we cant beat them this time with their injuries then I doubt we will for a while.
And Kreuger as well EB....he played a few games earlier when they were down a few talls.
Hewett and Cincotta out....Boyd in. Hewett the sub by the looks.
Reckon the Sheik might get his wish and Saad plays further up the ground with Boyd starting down back......be handy if Ginnivan doesnt play too.
Hewett and Cincotta out....Boyd in. Hewett the sub by the looks.
Good changes. George looks knackered/out of sorts. Cincotta had a howler but gave the club plenty of good moments in his journey. Boyds foot skills are really good so is Cincotta's btw.
Hewitt confirmed as the sub.
So its Cincotta for Boyd
Ed Curnow swaps sub duties with Hewitt.
Rotation policy of giving mids a mini rest continues.....and i like that. Kennedy (x2), Curnow and Hewitt have all had rests now. Its working better than Honey and LOB as subs who offered nothing.
Hewitt confirmed as the sub.
So its Cincotta for Boyd
Ed Curnow swaps sub duties with Hewitt.
Rotation policy of giving mids a mini rest continues.....and i like that. Kennedy (x2), Curnow and Hewitt have all had rests now. Its working better than Honey and LOB as subs who offered nothing.
It also helps with the problem of too many slower inside mids for the whole game. However I would have pulled the trigger earlier on Kennedy in the Brisbane game.
I'm expecting late changes.
Fair article from Malthouse
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/mick-malthouse-on-carltons-issues-and-how-michael-voss-can-avoid-scrutiny-from-offfield-heavy-hitters/news-story/dc22fa0a46c1acd22f5b5556097b9c47
I just read an article from 7 news about Ginnivan and Johnson being sent home with a bit of "man flu".
Given all the other PC jargon floating around what do we think about the term man flu? Personally I think it'd a way of saying that men shouldn't show weakness of any form unless they're dieing and taking the micky out of any male who is under the weather. This is a bit of a problem in the context of modern society where respect is supposed to flow both ways. Only the person is ill knows how they feel and if they are feeling crook labelling it man flu is a way of minimising it and telling them they should be soldiering on.
Personally I've associated it with being called a wuss and generally a way of society not accepting vulnerability from males.
A bit of a faux par in context of modern society that continues to bubble away with scant regard.
Fair article from Malthouse
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/mick-malthouse-on-carltons-issues-and-how-michael-voss-can-avoid-scrutiny-from-offfield-heavy-hitters/news-story/dc22fa0a46c1acd22f5b5556097b9c47
What Malthouse doesn't (or fails to realise) is that it really is a different club to when he got the ass. The board "maffia" is a thing of the past IMO.
I have no issue with the term "man flu", either directed at me personally or in general usage.
Malthouse is right but I don't think the Pies would have been happy with the last line lol.
MacRae was tongue in cheek with the man flu comments. Did hear rumours either Sidebottom or Pendlebury isn't well either..
MacRae was tongue in cheek with the man flu comments. Did hear rumours either Sidebottom or Pendlebury isn't well either..
Be handy is that pair were out but even so they are so well drilled I doubt it will do much but maybe keep us in the game for a little longer before they run over us.
No faith at all based on our form all year we have any chance to beat this mob.
Be handy is that pair were out but even so they are so well drilled I doubt it will do much but maybe keep us in the game for a little longer before they run over us.
No faith at all based on our form all year we have any chance to beat this mob.
Got a lot of things going right for us in terms of their injuries, illness, rebound factor after a poor loss.I'd be very disappointed if we can't win this game and convincingly too...
Got a lot of things going right for us in terms of their injuries, illness, rebound factor after a poor loss.I'd be very disappointed if we can't win this game and convincingly too...
You are going to be very disappointed.
You are going to be very disappointed.
If we cant beat them tomorrow given the positives in our favour then we dont deserve to be playing finals.
I always view Coll vs Carlton games independent of form and ladder position and feel its our turn for a win this time.
If we cant beat them tomorrow given the positives in our favour then we dont deserve to be playing finals.
I always view Coll vs Carlton games independent of form and ladder position and feel its our turn for a win this time.
Couldn't agree more. I'm not confident though but hope to be proven wrong.
Go Blues
Got a lot of things going right for us in terms of their injuries, illness, rebound factor after a poor loss.I'd be very disappointed if we can't win this game and convincingly too...
EB unlike us they don’t rely on a handful of players to star they are well drilled have plans in place for all situations and cover injuries very well.
Apart from Geelong in round 2 we have not beaten a top tier side since mid last year. This group just doesn’t have the skills needed to get wins against the best teams and mentally we are as fragile as any club in the comp.
Unless we turn back the clock one year and play a blinder with all our big names having monster games it will be another loss. They are way too balanced and consistent for us.
Pies comfortably regardless if they lose a few pre game
Righto, today is game day. Today we will know where we are at as we test ourselves against one the two best teams in the comp (I think Coll are no 1, Bris are no 2). Once again on paper we have close to our strongest side named. They are going in with no ruckman to speak of with Cameron named as an emergency (which surely will change before the bounce). In any case, I think we have the tools to win this one. If we have any late outs and/or anything less than our very best for 4 qtrs won't get it done.
Its Time!
Go Blues
Righto, today is game day. Today we will know where we are at as we test ourselves against one the two best teams in the comp (I think Coll are no 1, Bris are no 2). Once again on paper we have close to our strongest side named. They are going in with no ruckman to speak of with Cameron named as an emergency (which surely will change before the bounce). In any case, I think we have the tools to win this one. If we have any late outs and/or anything less than our very best for 4 qtrs won't get it done.
Its Time!
Go Blues
Admire your positivity G2C. I wish our players had your attitude
Admire your positivity G2C. I wish our players had your attitude
They absolutely have to today, for them it's the biggest home and away game they will play in and that's why I said earlier forget form, forget ladder position, its the BIGGEST and OLDEST rivalry in VFL/AFL, its at the home of footy. In F1, there is a saying that every driver dreams of driving for Ferrari, the oldest most prestigious team of all. We are mirroring Ferrari's form at the moment ;D but players dream of playing in big games like this in front of big crowds at the G. If our blokes can't get up for this one, may as well pack up and go home.
Admire your positivity G2C. I wish our players had your attitude
Positivity is good in the right circumstances. I'm not sure this week is that.
If we lose by 10 goals (more likely than a win IMO unfortunately) i wonder how positive he'll be then.
A bit like BBB, sack the whole list, and the coaches and fitness staff etc.
Realistically, Collingwood are a much better side than us.
Realistically, Collingwood should win and win relatively comfortably.
Realistically, we should not want to torch the place down if the above occurs.......but no doubt some will.
Positivity is good in the right circumstances. I'm not sure this week is that.
If we lose by 10 goals (more likely than a win IMO unfortunately) i wonder how positive he'll be then.
A bit like BBB, sack the whole list, and the coaches and fitness staff etc.
Realistically, Collingwood are a much better side than us.
Realistically, Collingwood should win and win relatively comfortably.
Realistically, we should not want to torch the place down if the above occurs.......but no doubt some will.
They are at the weakest and very cocky, timing is right for us to bring effort and win the game...
They are at the weakest and very cocky, timing is right for us to bring effort and win the game...
We are 'mentally' at our weakest too. Out of form and who knows when that could turn around.
Might be today, but odds are it won't be.
EB...if they've shown one thing since mid-way through last season, it's that they're not really "weak" anywhere on the ground...regardless of who's in or out. McRae has got them playing as a team, playing for each other, doing all the little things that count. They've had injuries like most teams but never do you hear them talk about it really. And more importantly, blokes who come in from the VFL step up to that next level. They haven't had a big key forward since the beginning of last year and McStay has only played a handful of games this year. They have had their ruckmen out most of this season...Jeremy Howe went down early in the year.
Yes, today is probably our best shot at knocking them over but IMO, based on the fact we've only won one game in the last 5 (against a West Coast team that doesn't really count at the moment), we're still at very long odds.
Collingwood are in a fantastic head space at the moment - they have every reason to believe they can knock us over, and do it well.
We have slid down to 11th on the ladder and will stay there unless we beat the Pies today.
The ones stating we can get them today seem to have short memories.
When was the last time Collingwood were "off"?
Probably bout the same time we were last "on".
It would surprise me to get a win today. I'm hoping I'm shocked but I doubt it. I haven't been this pessimistic about our team and another since clarko was coaching the hawks.
Not sure if this is already posted, but Darcy Cameron is in the starting 22, Ginnivan the sub.
The ones stating we can get them today seem to have short memories.
When was the last time Collingwood were "off"?
Probably bout the same time we were last "on".
It would surprise me to get a win today. I'm hoping I'm shocked but I doubt it. I haven't been this pessimistic about our team and another since clarko was coaching the hawks.
To be honest, I'm in the same camp. Not proud of that btw. It didn't help watching similar TO's and dumb errors to cough the game up in the 2's
Feeling quite fatigued as a long term member 😫
Not sure if this is already posted, but Darcy Cameron is in the starting 22, Ginnivan the sub.
So much for the 'changes to our advantage'
My tip Pies by 26 may well be short of the mark.
Go Blues- give us something to restore the fading faithful
So much for the 'changes to our advantage'
My tip Pies by 26 may well be short of the mark.
Go Blues- give us something to restore the fading faithful
We'll play champagne football.... for a quarter!
No point in getting down about losing today. Collingwood are clearly a class above. They have something like a 20-2 W/L since the middle of last year, and are clearly flying. They should win the Brendon Bolton Cup easily.
Cameron was always playing....very surprised we didn't see that coming and include TDK.
We are suckers for this one ruck option, it's OK when you have one dominant ruck that can run and chase all day like Gawn who has a reasonable backup, but it's not Pitto's gig and SoJ is not reasonable, we'll get exposed today, if our Mids are all on song it could get ugly.
We are suckers for this one ruck option, it's OK when you have one dominant ruck that can run and chase all day like Gawn who has a reasonable backup, but it's not Pitto's gig and SoJ is not reasonable, we'll get exposed today, if our Mids are all on song it could get ugly.
What is our biggest issue at the moment?
Being accountable, running out games and effective disposals. aka midfielders not doing enough. We need more midfielders, not less. Ruck is not the issue we should be trying to fix.
Watching the pies run rings around us, constantly having blokes free in space makes me think that second ruck would be a big help now.
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