If we had Pitto playing, I'd think we were a chance. With only Tom as ruck, we've got no hope.
Given the consistency with which we are:
1. Stopping and propping with the footy not knowing where to kick giving the other mob time to set up behind the ball
2. Turning it over when we go I50
I can't see us winning. I know exactly what they will bring and so do the opposition coaches. Its simply not good enough.
Given my hatred for this mob I don't know if I can bare to watch TBH.
We are actually not too far away. The lack of quality forwards apart from Charlie and Harry is hurting the team as a whole.
If this team needs to improve then it really needs to do something with forward of centre play.
Sad to say but hope Cunners and Martin play well VFL today if they play.
The Bummers have improved and are now mediocre. Too good for us I fear. Another loss coming up.
They have pace and a heavy duty ruckman but are still flaky and I dont buy Zach Merritt as a leader either.
Hopefully Wright doesn't play and the conditions are damp and slow them up.
Charlie owes us a big game and Harry needs to build on his game vs Melbourne.
Dons have nothing of note down back and if we can't win this it's over for the year and 10-12 players can forget about being at Ikon Park next season along with a few assistants, list manager and other associated staffers.
They will kill us with pace EB, 6-8 goals. We have nothing.
Kennedy will be a big loss I reckon. He's taken up a lot of slack at the coalface IMO.
They will kill us with pace EB, 6-8 goals. We have nothing.
Kennedy will be a big loss I reckon. He's taken up a lot of slack at the coalface IMO.
Yep Kennedy will be a loss, I'm just hoping for some pride and backs to the wall stuff vs a traditional enemy Prof . Pies were a mountain too big to climb but Essendon don't impress me and I hate losing to them so much and I hope the players feel the same and can show some ounce of spirit.
We are actually not too far away. The lack of quality forwards apart from Charlie and Harry is hurting the team as a whole.
If this team needs to improve then it really needs to do something with forward of centre play.
Sad to say but hope Cunners and Martin play well VFL today if they play.
Ever the optimist Pinot ol' boy, I commend you.
On the bright side, they haven't beaten us since Bolton was sacked.....lol.
The thing about this mob is that they are the "Great Multipliers"
Win and the joy is much greater than against other sides.
Lose and the devastation is much greater.
Whichever way it goes next weekend will be an 'emotional' experience.
One positive is that I get to spend most of the weekend enjoying myself before I have to face reality.
One positive is that I get to spend most of the weekend enjoying myself before I have to face reality.
The Friday night losses are a shocker, you spend all weekend wondering when are the going to call the media conference.
One positive is that I get to spend most of the weekend enjoying myself before I have to face reality.
that moment you realise it's a public holiday Monday...
What has happened to Matt Kennedy???? :(
What has happened to Matt Kennedy???? :(
He, along with most of the list, seems to be enjoying a rather fallow period.
What has happened to Matt Kennedy???? :(
Playing injured IMO.
Spent a lot of time on the bench getting worked on last week.
Played with a strapped calf
Saw him limping significantly at one point during the game, which i called as an injured calf.
Shouldn't have played him, or Cripps.
Shouldn't have played Durdin the week before.
Playing all these injured players doesn't do us any favours.
OBrien (omitted)->Binns
Cottrell (omitted)->Hewett
Boyd (omitted)->Cowan
Silvagni (int)-> One of Lemmey OKeefe Mirkov Akuei (or not bring in any additional hieght and Young covers ruck)
Watching Essendon play Nth and not impressed, same soft outside rubbish brand as per usual and the only way we will lose to these muppets is if we dont turn up and play the same soft bruise free rubbish they are playing.
Yes they have pace but they have nothing notable down back and are relying on non specialist forward players like Langford to kick them a winning score. This is a game I feel overly confident about us winning, they wont make the eight imho and as bad as we are at the minute we have more high calibre talent then they do and I can see us rolling the bombers by 5-6 goals.
We probably wont make finals but we can help prevent EFC making the eight and I'll take that as positive out of 2023..
Watching Essendon play Nth and not impressed, same soft outside rubbish brand as per usual and the only way we will lose to these muppets is if we dont turn up and play the same soft bruise free rubbish they are playing.
We might struggle in the ruck if Pitto isn't back, I presume he'll be after the bye and it would be silly to prematurely risk a ruck with a fractured hand.
I expect us to pressure their runners, might be another big job coming for Cincotta on Stringer, and for Weiters, McGovern and Kemp I hope to see a night out on intercept marks because CheatsFC tend to do even less damage than us when it comes to possessions.
If we can actually kick it near the side of the barn I don't see CheatsFC stopping Charlie or BigH.
They got home by a bee's dick in the end against North.
We can beat them.
Watching Essendon play Nth and not impressed, same soft outside rubbish brand as per usual and the only way we will lose to these muppets is if we dont turn up and play the same soft bruise free rubbish they are playing.
Yes they have pace but they have nothing notable down back and are relying on non specialist forward players like Langford to kick them a winning score. This is a game I feel overly confident about us winning, they wont make the eight imho and as bad as we are at the minute we have more high calibre talent then they do and I can see us rolling the bombers by 5-6 goals.
We probably wont make finals but we can help prevent EFC making the eight and I'll take that as positive out of 2023..
They haven't won but the Roos have been damn good since Ratts started filling in.
Worried about next week. Can't see us winning off our own steam given how we are playing.
We can beat the bombers. In fact, I think we can go toe to toe with anyone. The problem I have is will we?
They got home by a bee's dick in the end against North.
We can beat them.
They kicked more goals in one game than we have in our last two, thats our problem ATM.
Ill stick with my prediction from weeks ago that we'd win the next 2 but I do so with zero confidence.
Can we Improve in the second half of the season. On recent record, probably not. Kennedy looks injured, replace him with Hewitt, Marchbank to replace Silvagni and play Young second ruck, Binns to replace O'Brien and Fogarty to replace Motlop. Can't keep doing the same thing. Time to back ourselves, kick to our team mates and stop missing goals.
They got home by a bee's dick in the end against North.
We can beat them.
We ‘can’ beat them but we won’t.
We have lost 7 of the last 8 and the only win came from a VFL listed team.
We have 4 wins against 8th 15th 17th and 18th placed teams. We sit just above the bottom 4 teams which is where we are at at the moment.
This year is done.
Can we Improve in the second half of the season. On recent record, probably not. Kennedy looks injured, replace him with Hewitt, Marchbank to replace Silvagni and play Young second ruck, Binns to replace O'Brien and Fogarty to replace Motlop. Can't keep doing the same thing. Time to back ourselves, kick to our team mates and stop missing goals.
Fogarty is a different type of player compared with Motlop. Unfortunately he is just as ineffective.
It's just changing deckchairs out of desperation. In a side with a decent list, both Motlop and Durdin would spend time in the VFL learning their craft.
Is Marchbank fit mentally and physically to play well for an entire game? Why take a risk by rushing him into the side after such a long absence?
Young is hesitant now and has obviously lost form. He has never impressed in the ruck, so what do we expect from him now?
In fact, the whole side seems to have lost confidence, and that's understandable considering how it find new ways to show incompetence week after week.
I'm at a loss as to how Voss can get any improvement out of this list.
If Marchbank is up to playing this week perhaps move Kemp into SOJ’s spot and Marchbank can do the role Kemp is currently doing in the backline.
Kemp is a great mark, and makes pretty good decisions. Perhaps he could be a viable alternative forward target…
If Marchbank is up to playing this week perhaps move Kemp into SOJ’s spot and Marchbank can do the role Kemp is currently doing in the backline.
Kemp is a great mark, and makes pretty good decisions. Perhaps he could be a viable alternative forward target…
Id probably keep Kemp down back for this game, reckon he will have to play on one of Langford or Stringer...not sure Id trust the slower Marchbank on either of those two with no senior games under his belt.
Another game day result that will further do my head in. If we lose by less than 4 goals, I won’t be completely devastated. Angry yes for the loss, but my expectations from this group is extremely low at the moment. Score board results that is. The results that actually count.
This sounds both stupid and obvious but we have to find a way to score goals. The players need to get their mind around that being their sole focus. Win the footy, get it forward and score doesn't matter who, just score. Take on in the responsibility. We have to do better than 6 or 7 goals from 50-60 entries. We seem to have tried Charlie further up the ground and H closer to home, it seems to me to be the wrong combo, the other way around seems to work slightly better for us. Thoughts?
This sounds both stupid and obvious but we have to find a way to score goals. The players need to get their mind around that being their sole focus. Win the footy, get it forward and score doesn't matter who, just score. Take on in the responsibility. We have to do better than 6 or 7 goals from 50-60 entries. We seem to have tried Charlie further up the ground and H closer to home, it seems to me to be the wrong combo, the other way around seems to work slightly better for us. Thoughts?
Sad eh GTC old son when we feel stupid or stating the bloomin' obvious re simply kicking more goals! But it's true. 100% true. How embarrassing. 2 Coleman Medal winners over the past 2 seasons and we can't kick goals in 2023, not helped by ineffectual small/medium forwards. Crikey, Owies looked a million bucks on his return, then fell into the defensive mire and got lost.
Very briefly (ever so toooooo briefly) in Friday night's game we saw the blokes take on the game through the middle and goals resulted. Doesn't seem that hard to achieve... if you take on the game, take risks, be bold, don't fear failure, be creative, enjoy your footy, think 'offensive' rather than being glued to a defensive mind-set, shots on goal result. I guess that when confidence is lower than shark shizen you're second guessing yourself all the time... unsure of what to do next - play safe.
This defensive, unsure, safe, fearful mind-set seems to start with the MC and their rigid selections. They've gotta start getting creative, take some risks... sheesh, it took a swathe of injuries for them to give some blokes a gig.
FM, the blokes don't even look like they're enjoying their footy... and how can they with such a conservative, defensive mind-set locked into their every move. But heck, some of them sure do have a good laugh after the game/another loss :o
Holy mackerel... over the last 7 or so years we've been bipolar - all defensive (BB & now Vossy) or all out offensive and zero respect for defence (The TT).
It's so very obvious -- kicking more goals -- yet, we make hard work of it when the answer really is very, seemingly, simple... speed on the ball, take it fast and through the middle, hit up any forward who has made the best position and give it to him lace out. No more bombs and hope.
If fear of making a mistake is front of mind, guess what... you'll do nothing or make lots of mistakes - especially poor offensive decisions and disposal skills.
This sounds both stupid and obvious but we have to find a way to score goals. The players need to get their mind around that being their sole focus. Win the footy, get it forward and score doesn't matter who, just score. Take on in the responsibility. We have to do better than 6 or 7 goals from 50-60 entries. We seem to have tried Charlie further up the ground and H closer to home, it seems to me to be the wrong combo, the other way around seems to work slightly better for us. Thoughts?
It's just a matter of odds, Charlie and Harry are due and they have no height down back. This should be an easier game, no Petraccas, Degoeys, Bonts etc just smaller mids who we should be able to bully and dominate. I'd expect us to score more easily and crack 100 points....
It's just a matter of odds, Charlie and Harry are due and they have no height down back. This should be an easier game, no Petraccas, Degoeys, Bonts etc just smaller mids who we should be able to bully and dominate. I'd expect us to score more easily and crack 100 points....
Which Essendon no namer becomes a superstar this week for shutting down a much vaunted coleman medalist?
OBrien (omitted)->Binns
Cottrell (omitted)->Hewett
Boyd (omitted)->Cowan
Silvagni (int)-> One of Lemmey OKeefe Mirkov Akuei (or not bring in any additional hieght and Young covers ruck)
Agree with first above. don't mind getting Cowan in or Hewett if over concussion but not sure Boyd and Cottrell are the ones I'd drop. Akuei and O'Keeffe are a mile off. Mirkov can get taps but that's it and was omitted "injured" from the 2s so unlikely to get a call up. Lemmey I would have said was a mile off but he showed a bit in the ruck in the second half this week albeit against VFL opposition. Not enough to have me rushing him in, but I'd like to see more of him in the ruck in the 2s to see if he is a viable spell ruckman. Whilst raw there is a bit to like about him especially his kicking. For this week though I think it is Lewis Young as poor as he has been of late. especially as they might run 2 ruckmen to try and exploit TDK and lack of real height down back (even though it is a night game). I'd like to have Marchbank back but query if he has the miles in his legs yet. Suspect we will lose Kennedy, he looked really shot late in the game.
OBrien (omitted)->Binns
Cottrell (omitted)->Hewett
Boyd (omitted)->Cowan
Silvagni (int)-> One of Lemmey OKeefe Mirkov Akuei (or not bring in any additional hieght and Young covers ruck)
Totally agree Binns for LOB.
Seldom does Matty Cottrell put in two shockers in a row... I'd persist.
Apart from a gift of a goal, Fisher was pretty ordinary. Fogarty?
With such a lack of confidence permeating the side it's hard to judge some performances - the natural offensive and creative play of some of our blokes is being curtailed by the conservative/defence focussed game plan.
JSOS in the ruck is just handing the opposition a goal or three.
Young into the ruck with TDK? Kemp to take 2nd tall and Cowan comes in. Marchbank looks miles off.
Hewett will probably come in for Kennedy.
Pity Cuningham has only had one game back, his quickness in the middle against Franger was sublime at times and he looked better as the game progressed - sub?
But what do we do about the lack of talent on the forward line? Owies has been tried and found wanting, Durdin, even when fit needs time in the VFL, as does Motlop.
So much effort goes to waste when we have no crumbers at the feet of Harry and Charlie and we just watch as opposition backmen sweep the ball out of our forward line with little or no opposition.
EB...unfortunately we thought the same thing against Sydney.....they were missing 3 key defenders and were too short down back to compete with McKay and Curnow...and look what happened that night.
Maybe Cottrell gets a run with role on Merrett this week if he holds his spot?
Didn't watch any of the VFL game but are either of Martin/Cunningham ready to go yet? It might be desperation stakes but either one of them could come in and maybe just as the sub?
Binns and Hewett in for me with O'Brien and Boyd out. And can we continue with playing 3 small forwards when none of them are having an impact?
EB...unfortunately we thought the same thing against Sydney.....they were missing 3 key defenders and were too short down back to compete with McKay and Curnow...and look what happened that night.
Maybe Cottrell gets a run with role on Merrett this week if he holds his spot?
Didn't watch any of the VFL game but are either of Martin/Cunningham ready to go yet? It might be desperation stakes but either one of them could come in and maybe just as the sub?
Binns and Hewett in for me with O'Brien and Boyd out. And can we continue with playing 3 small forwards when none of them are having an impact?
Surfie, Martin on the wing for them is a good player, for a mid season pick last season thats one they got right and he will need a minder. Im not a huge fan of Cottrell like others but I dont want a first gamer like Binns on Martin so maybe Cottrell stays in and gets that job. Merrett gets a lot of the ball but Im not sold on his greatness like the media who pump him up and while he is a good player Id be prepared to play someone like Cerra on him and try and make Merrett accountable.
I'd play Fogarty as a small forward, how much less impact can he have than the others?
Boyd would be an out for me...still cant work out what his position is or what he offers......is he a poor mans Caleb Daniel?
..........................................................................With such a lack of confidence permeating the side it's hard to judge some performances...........
Observing from the outside, this is my impression as well. There's little point in worrying about ins and outs, when the entire list seems in a fug, and you're simply replacing one fug-infected player with another who seems similarly listless and devoid of confidence. I'm not sure if it's just as simple as the lack of wins, or if there's off field goings on affecting the boys. There's certainly no lack of fight or effort, which is a good thing, but gee they look out of sorts.
Lack of belief leads to lack of confidence leads to trying too hard leads to loss of composure leads to mistakes and loss of form leads to loss of belief and so on round the loop?
Lack of belief leads to lack of confidence leads to trying too hard leads to loss of composure leads to mistakes and loss of form leads to loss of belief and so on round the loop?
Which is all above the shoulders, I expect more from a GROUP (not one or two, a GROUP) of professional AFL footballers to fix this sort of stuff. When seniors can't it means lack of leadership which is a problem.
But what do we do about the lack of talent on the forward line? Owies has been tried and found wanting, Durdin, even when fit needs time in the VFL, as does Motlop.
So much effort goes to waste when we have no crumbers at the feet of Harry and Charlie and we just watch as opposition backmen sweep the ball out of our forward line with little or no opposition.
Who would want to be a forward in our forward line....lol.
fischer to tag Merrett , young in ruck just fist it forward, Gov in fwd line thats all i got
fischer to tag Merrett , young in ruck just fist it forward, Gov in fwd line thats all i got
Fisher and Tag in the same sentence is one of the weirdest things Ive read.
Fisher and Tag in the same sentence is one of the weirdest things Ive read.
Agree , about the only thing Zac could tag would be putting a sticker on an apple......Merrett is their prime mover and I would have said Ed Curnow but those glory tagging days of big scalps have probably passed Ed by and id almost play Cerra on Merrett who is our form mid and try and make the Essendon captain more accountable.
EB...only issue I'd have with that is Cerra has probably been our best midfielder in the last month and we probably need him playing his own game. I know Cottrell's last couple of weeks have been ordinary but I can see him playing that role okay.
If Hewett comes back in, maybe he can play that role....that's pretty much why we recruited him....he can play a run-with role AND get plenty of the ball himself. Unfortunately his form this year has been a shadow of what he was producing in the first half of last year.
Fisher is playing like a bloke who knows he won't be there next year
All the jokes about Fisher and tagging seem to overlook the fact that he is actually one of our better tacklers.
He is the only bloke who seems to know how to avoid a dusty fend off and stick the tackle. He did it twice in one game a few years ago.
Now, can he curtail an opponent for a whole game? Dunno.
But it's possible.
Reckon we need his run and carry as a priority though as we seem to have a shortage of those types who are afl fit and ready
EB...only issue I'd have with that is Cerra has probably been our best midfielder in the last month and we probably need him playing his own game. I know Cottrell's last couple of weeks have been ordinary but I can see him playing that role okay.
If Hewett comes back in, maybe he can play that role....that's pretty much why we recruited him....he can play a run-with role AND get plenty of the ball himself. Unfortunately his form this year has been a shadow of what he was producing in the first half of last year.
Surfie ,Id use Cottrell on Martin like I said in another post, Martin is a bit under rated on the wing but he has been a big contributor to Essendons wins and we need to put the clamps on him. For a mid season pick he is highly skilled,and pacy but I think Cottrell is better suited to him than Merrett who starts in the middle. IMO Cottrell is a ok player vs other ok players but not vs the top liners and Id want somone a bit better credentialled vs Merrett and thats why I chose Cerra. Its more at the stoppages I would want to limit Merrett and not have him breaking away with that damaging left foot, he can pick up some cheapies behind the ball but I dont want him initiating attacks.
Better bring it on Sunday night, the Bombers would love to put the nail in our coffin.
Good point EB....and Martin hits the scoreboard too.....pity none of our wingers can do that....or our mids for that matter.
Good point EB....and Martin hits the scoreboard too.....pity none of our wingers can do that....or our mids for that matter.
Or our forwards for that matter.
Hewitt needs a task EB, when left to chase the pill he loses focus and becomes pedestrian. His task must be to negate Merrett. Cottrell is perfectly suited to take on Martin.
Hewitt needs a task EB, when left to chase the pill he loses focus and becomes pedestrian. His task must be to negate Merrett. Cottrell is perfectly suited to take on Martin.
Prof , not sure George has the toe to keep up with Merrett. Been looking banged up of late has Hewett and I agree he needs a task but I'm struggling to find a player that suits. I would have played him on Shiel but he won't be playing...
Prof , not sure George has the toe to keep up with Merrett. Been looking banged up of late has Hewett and I agree he needs a task but I'm struggling to find a player that suits. I would have played him on Shiel but he won't be playing...
George won't be available until next week - If i read the injury news correctly 6/6
They're missing Parish and now likely Shiel as well....and Setterfield who was doing okay in the midfield for them earlier in the season. Would be nice to think our mids could get some dominance this weekend but won't hold my breath. Draper will be a good test for TDK to show us where he's at too.
I'm expecting more disappointment from the players this week.
Cheats by 3-5 goals.
Fish has the pace to match Merrett at least for 1 Q and then we will move Ed on him
I'm expecting more disappointment from the players this week.
Cheats by 3-5 goals.
Afraid you could be right. Let's just hope they decide produce a good one!🤫
Afraid you could be right. Let's just hope they decide produce a good one!🤫
Not a hope in hell Cookie
Fish has the pace to match Merrett at least for 1 Q and then we will move Ed on him
Fish should use his pace to run across the Nullarbor back to WA and not come back.
Fish should use his pace to run across the Nullarbor back to WA and not come back.
Sorry, I know it's unkind but... :)) :)) :))
Let's have a 'line in the sand' game. We might end up with 15 suspended, but at least it will be entertaining.
Let's have a 'line in the sand' game. We might end up with 15 suspended, but at least it will be entertaining.
We are Carlton, we don't do line in the sand games.
fish another sos Failure unfortunately
fish another sos Failure unfortunately
He has played 100 games.
Fisher was recruited as a centre square midfielder but in typical Carlton style was then reinvented into a small forward and now doesnt really have a position much like Jack Silvagni who we have played out of form, recently out of the team and now is in limbo like Fisher both caught at the crossroads of their careers needing some strong direction and coaching on where too next.
IN
Ed Curnow,
Jack Martin,
Lachie Fogarty,
Lachlan Cowan,
Marc Pittonet
Out
Lochie O'Brien (Omitted),
Zac Fisher (Omitted)
seriously?
Wow.
Fisher is on the outer clearly - brought in for one game and out again.
In isolation, the fisher dropping is innocent enough.
With the disharmony rumours is that a message? I thought he was ok.
Ed, Fogarty and Martin ahead of Binns? WTF. This club is stuffed
Head scratching MC selections again.
No binns yet the glass man Martin gets a recall after 1 reserve game.
Watch Martin not last the first half.
Voss is losing me more each week.
X2. Martin gets a game after a half in the twos. Cut the cord Carlton...
The good ol' MC never fails to raise eyebrows! :o
WTF does Binns have to do to get a game?
And are we getting desperate recalling Ed Curnow? He's been a warrior for sure but if he's in our best 23 then something clearly not right. He might be in for Kennedy if Kennedy doesn't come up?
The thing we lack in the middle is pace. The two mid fielders we have with pace are Dow and Fisher. The two players we don't play in the midfield are Dow and Fisher. If we win the ball in the middle we are ok if we don't win the ball in the middle then we are in trouble. Maybe running Dow and Fisher through the middle might be a plan. Who knows?
IN
Ed Curnow,
Jack Martin,
Lachie Fogarty,
Lachlan Cowan,
Marc Pittonet
Out
Lochie O'Brien (Omitted),
Zac Fisher (Omitted)
seriously?
Ed Curnow is lucky. He wasn't that impressive last week in the VFL. To be honest, I wouldn't be playing him. Maybe he has a task? Can't think of any other reason.
Jack Martin: we probably need him, as he provides something we lack in our forward line. But after less than one full VFL game? I can't see it. Very lucky.
Lachie Fogarty: not that impressive last week either. He is hard and tough, but he doesn't produce a lot of run, which is what we need.
Marc Pittonet: we need him. I just hope we're not pushing forward before he is ready.
Essendon named Chris Bryan as well, so we do need 2 real rucks.
Lachie Cowan: that was a reasonable choice, as he did a good job last week.
Lochie O'Brien deserved to be dropped. Whatever skills he has, his decision making is truly awful. We can't afford his mistakes. Trade him.
Fisher: maybe a little stiff to be dropped, but he had a task last week and he didn't do it. We need to see him running hard and getting the ball.
I would have played Binns, even if he is a young, skinny kid. He gets where the ball is going.
The good ol' MC never fails to raise eyebrows! :o
I give up. Seems that everything I thought I knew about this team is false. Gaslighting 😵💫
IN
Ed Curnow,
Jack Martin,
Lachie Fogarty,
Lachlan Cowan,
Marc Pittonet
Out
Lochie O'Brien (Omitted),
Zac Fisher (Omitted)
seriously?
Surely Pitto won't play after hand surgery only a few weeks ago?
Want to to see Moo back in and Fog get a run.
Ed and Martin will offer nothing, dont understand the selections.
Can't see us winning as we are just playing too poorly and can't score more than 6 or 7 goals.
They will annihilate us with for pace and ball movement. Could get ugly, can't recall ever losing interest this early in a season.
Voss said that pitto was not going to get up. Must be giving him every chance, but I suspect a late out.
Martin in is good for team balance, hopefully he can perform to a decent level and get through the game. His next contract depends on it.
Fisher out is bad for team balance, but with all the noise about player unrest, it's hard not to connect a few dots.
Ed curnow could be the opposite, don't really need him, but you know he plays a team first style.
If we lose this week, it may be a big shake up next week. Hopefully we've done the right thing at the selection table.
Voss said that pitto was not going to get up. Must be giving him every chance, but I suspect a late out.
Martin in is good for team balance, hopefully he can perform to a decent level and get through the game. His next contract depends on it.
Fisher out is bad for team balance, but with all the noise about player unrest, it's hard not to connect a few dots.
Ed curnow could be the opposite, don't really need him, but you know he plays a team first style.
If we lose this week, it may be a big shake up next week. Hopefully we've done the right thing at the selection table.
Can't give Martin another contract, he just misses too many games and has through his career. Its inevitable he will get injured again but hopefully can play a few games in a row..
Martin in is good for team balance, hopefully he can perform to a decent level and get through the game. His next contract depends on it.
Is this a joke ?
Martin should have been cut end of last year and this year it’s been more of the same.
Thought at the time of drafting him we too generous with his contract and that assumption was correct. Has delivered nothing.
Just can’t have players like him on the list and expect to improve.
Bit shocked Binns can't get a game this week. Essendon are probably the ideal team for him to debut against given they play a outside running style and his form in the twos has been decent and consistent.
Bit shocked Binns can't get a game this week. Essendon are probably the ideal team for him to debut against given they play a outside running style and his form in the twos has been decent and consistent.
left out for the selectors but no one collected him...
The thing we lack in the middle is pace. The two mid fielders we have with pace are Dow and Fisher. The two players we don't play in the midfield are Dow and Fisher. If we win the ball in the middle we are ok if we don't win the ball in the middle then we are in trouble. Maybe running Dow and Fisher through the middle might be a plan. Who knows?
Dow's pace is 'one-paced' and not fast pace, unfortunately.
Martin is obviously always injured but when he plays he is dangerous. Unlike all of our other small forwards he can mark the ball.
Martin is obviously always injured but when he plays he is dangerous. Unlike all of our other small forwards he can mark the ball.
Tbh, there isn't anything he can't do....except be consistent and fit.
We waited years for docherty and Charlie to get fit and its paying off, if we get the same kind of 'luck' with Martin, the upside is huge.
If.
Martin is obviously always injured but when he plays he is dangerous. Unlike all of our other small forwards he can mark the ball.
If he plays on Sunday, Ill predict 8 disposals, 5 marks 1 tackle and 1 junk time goal.
left out for the selectors but no one collected him...
Is that the door over there, 3 Leos? Please don't let it hit you on the clacker on the way out...
( :)) :)) :)) ... I did get a giggle... ;D )
If he plays on Sunday, Ill predict 8 disposals, 5 marks 1 tackle and 1 junk time goal.
7 disposals. 3 marks, 4 tackles, 2 goals.
looking very likely Peter Wright back in for Essendon. Another headache we don't need.
The CheatsFC MC tactics if the lists hit the field as selected seem to be they are forcing us to run with Young on top of Pitto and TDK in the hope it leaves our sluggish midfield and defence unable to cover the ground to bottle up their runners.
The key for us comes from the other end, our small forwards, ignoring the lack of goals they either run deep and apply some defensive tackling pressure or we are going to get screwed over on the outside. There is no point our fans and coaches hoping the likes of Cripps, Cerra, Walsh, Kennedy, Ed and others suddenly become Usain Bolt, it ain't going to happen! We can't have Motlop, Durdin and Owies sitting inside F50 shivering!
If our SFs get up the field and force turnovers and / or crap rushed disposals by the CheatsFC runners, can we kick enough goals between BigH, Chalrie and SoJ to win the game?
Cripps, Cerra, Kennedy and Walsh have two options, they either setup defensively to stop the opposition getting clean fast break clearances, or they can suddenly become surgeons by foot and start picking out some targets forward of centre. It's one or the other or it's over for 2023!
Smart slow moving footballers should be emulating Diesel Williams, and be practising precision disposal from both sides of their body until their legs ache. No more slow movers who are one sided!
I'm also dead keen to see if Saad can overcome his issues to make a dent in the CheatsFC game plan, or if they also right-side him out of effective contention!
Saad generally puts in a good one against his old mob. I think he enjoys hearing them boo him 35 times!!!
Given the opponent, simply staggered Binns wasn't selected. We need more run.
Moo man to half back, play Saad higher up the ground
Big NO to Ed. Just no.
hope Martin doesn't play he needs weeks in reserves ,watching the frankston game he couldnt break a tackle at the level
Barely breaks a sweat when he plays.
Barely breaks a sweat when he plays.
Yep...usually though goes better first up from a spell when fresh and those calves are rested but then its downhill performance and fitness wise after a game or two so maybe he might have a couple of highlights this game before joining the injury list again.
If you were Essendon you would be sticking someone like Redman on him who can just run up and down the ground all day rebounding the ball and give those calves of Martin a workout...
Jack out along with Fisher and LOB
Martin, Pittonet and Ed in...
Reckon Jack will be reinstated with Pittonet a late out....not sure how Ed gets a game, maybe Charlie has it in his contract?
Unless there are players who are picked who aint going to play, I don't understand the team we have selected. Clearly the selection panel is smarter than me.
Outs SOS Fish MOB Dow
In Ed Pitto Martin
Hard to imagine JSOS responding well to being replaced by Martin.
Jack Martin, for all his injury woes, is exactly what is missing from the team. He is a point of difference, skilful, fills a gap, and has 130 odd games under his belt. Silvagni's type is over represented on our list, and Binns, despite promising form, is too inexperienced in what is surely a must win game. I can't imagine the MC wasted much time debating Martin.
This team needs Martin's skillset as we lack it in a big way.
Jack is 194cm and playing four talls makes little sense.
I'm also in the camp that think Jack will play and Pitto won't. ;)
The players and coach need to watch this: If I could have reached through the screen I would have ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwljJeIql4s
There is a part 1 but it was more about the history and rivalry with more BS....
The players and coach need to watch this: If I could have reached through the screen I would have ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwljJeIql4s
There is a part 1 but it was more about the history and rivalry with more BS....
Nothing wrong with anything they said, all true. Scathing of Cripps and probably spot on.
I'm also in the camp that think Jack will play and Pitto won't. ;)
I hope you're wrong. We'll be in diabolical trouble with Pittonet. But I tend to be conservative when it comes to picking players who might not be 100%, so you could well be right.
Another game lost at selection. The Martin selection is a sick joke....another gifted game where he'll do F all (like usual) and get injured again. Selection integrity...what's that !?!
Another game lost at selection. The Martin selection is a sick joke....another gifted game where he'll do F all (like usual) and get injured again. Selection integrity...what's that !?!
Prof, The old saying is a drowning man will cling onto a serpent and I reckon Martins selection is more a reflection on the alternatives and the MC and coach are plain desperate, and hoping Martin will provide one of his rare good games.
Prof, The old saying is a drowning man will cling onto a serpent and I reckon Martins selection is more a reflection on the alternatives and the MC and coach are plain desperate, and hoping Martin will provide one of his rare good games.
I agree with you, EB1. We have Martin and Williams unfit week after week, senior players who are constantly playing below their best, the usual number of injuries that occur during the year, and too many B grade players who are really C grade on a good day - list cloggers.
The MC has lost flexibility in selecting a team each week. I think while there is even a remote chance of making the finals it will take a conservative approach to team selection.
I agree with you, EB1. We have Martin and Williams unfit week after week, senior players who are constantly playing below their best, the usual number of injuries that occur during the year, and too many B grade players who are really C grade on a good day - list cloggers.
The MC has lost flexibility in selecting a team each week. I think while there is even a remote chance of making the finals it will take a conservative approach to team selection.
the whole side is in poor condition.
Not sure where the targeting of individuals with catastrophic injuries gets us when we look like we are running around with bricks for shoes.
Marchbank not playing 2nds this weekend.
Word is he is sore and needs a week off. LOL !!!
Marchbank not playing 2nds this weekend.
Word is he is sore and needs a week off. LOL !!!
As I said weeks, ago, he should have done the honourable thing and retired so that we could have at least maybe picked up someone with a "football pulse" in the mid season draft. Anyone with two functioning arms and matching legs would have been fine.
100%. I can understand him trying to get back but we carry a truckload of dead weight in our list and it's broken the club. We're really playing with a list of about 25 with about 15 passengers
Marchbank should be delisted at season's end. If he miraculously gets up and plays at another club, so be it.....but 50 odd games of footy in 8 seasons says enough.
Was rediculous to even name Pitto
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1354582/afl-team-news-blues-make-change-for-round-13
Was rediculous to even name Pitto
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1354582/afl-team-news-blues-make-change-for-round-13
Yep....what a surprise, thats really fooled Essendon and messed with their selections...not.
Draper and Wright vs De Koning and Silvagni / Young. Already behind the eight ball.
Saw Brad of the piranha twins interviewed on tv and he was talking about how they expected us to come out really firing. I think he will have them ready to serve it up to us with the hope of upsetting us. Be interesting to see how things pan out.
Draper and Wright vs De Koning and Silvagni / Young. Already behind the eight ball.
If we win this one, it will be a miracle. Our team loses so much when Pitto isn't there. Jack isn't a ruckman and should get slaughtered by two decent rucks.
I'll still be there, but I don't think I'm going to enjoy it much.
Saw Brad of the piranha twins interviewed on tv and he was talking about how they expected us to come out really firing. I think he will have them ready to serve it up to us with the hope of upsetting us. Be interesting to see how things pan out.
Clearly he hasn't seen any of our games.
If we win this one, it will be a miracle. Our team loses so much when Pitto isn't there. Jack isn't a ruckman and should get slaughtered by two decent rucks.
I'll still be there, but I don't think I'm going to enjoy it much.
You're a brave man Crash.
Clearly he hasn't seen any of our games.
Maybe on The Comedy Channel?
The difference between us and about 16 other teams......we refuse to, or are incapable of running fast and hard. Lazy lack of discipline.
Carlton by 5 goals. They are not that good.
Neither are we
Carlton by 5 goals. They are not that good.
I agree.....they are quick but are enjoying the new coach honeymoon and we have the tall timber down forward that are due to
kick straight and Essendon have little in the way of taller defenders.
Blues by 17 points....
I'm not going to tip a winner. Rather say WE MUST WIN.
Go Blues
I agree.....they are quick but are enjoying the new coach honeymoon and we have the tall timber down forward that are due to
kick straight and Essendon have little in the way of taller defenders.
Blues by 17 points....
I feel you don’t need tall or decent defenders when the opposition just bomb it high in your zone. So many players engage in a contest that it prevents an easy mark. Then with a spill of the pill they use genuine pace to get the ball from coast to coast. Add an inability to convert set shots, and the scoreboard pressure doesn’t really exist. Our conversion is terrible. It is a problem that can act like a virus and impact the whole squad. That old perceived pressure. Between the ears. Am I being pessimistic or realistic? Who knows. We will find out soon. Bombers by 3 goals.
Carlton by 5 goals. They are not that good.
Okay, I think I need a glass of whatever you had.
What's really disappointing is trying to gather enthusiasm and optimism for this game. I guess what feeds any lack of optimism is witnessing the way we play - slow, confused, little confidence and relying on individuals. What we can be confident about is that we'll likely hold our opponents to a low, even losing, score... but ours will be less!
Dow and Binns are both non starters in the Resssies. 2 emergencies held over with 1 to be the sub.
They are missing Parish and Shiel and Wright won’t be match fit and considering the pressure on the club and coach if we have any ticket at all we have to show it tonight. If we fail again it will just confirm we really are a bottom tier team. No excuses if we can’t account for this mob.
If we play the safe stop start game-plan we are doomed so if Voss has any coaching ability he must let us play with freedom and give our talls as many one on one looks as possible and if so we should win well. This game will say as much about Voss the coach as anything else imo.
What's really disappointing is trying to gather enthusiasm and optimism for this game. I guess what feeds any lack of optimism is witnessing the way we play - slow, confused, little confidence and relying on individuals. What we can be confident about is that we'll likely hold our opponents to a low, even losing, score... but ours will be less!
Although I now realise that our best 22 includes several players who aren’t yet up to the job, and perhaps never will be, I still approach every game with the belief that we will win.
This season has been a tipster’s nightmare with almost every team capable of an upset win … and we’ve been the victim of several. It’s as much a matter of luck as it is footy ability and reward for effort plays a part too.
Blues by 3 goals 🙂
Just watching the VFL. The sooner Cunningham can play the better His kicking has set up half the goals so far.
This is Essendon and doesnt come under the category of normal home and away games or ladder positions etc. It's War and the players have to embrace the hatred and play accordingly, if they can't lift for this game then they never will.
It will show we still have a pulse and some pride even though the season is probably lost but even at our worst we can still stick it to the bombers and be their masters...
Cunningham's pace and ball use has been elite.
They just mentioned during the VFL broadcast that 5 of the 8 emergencies for tonight's game aren't playing. There may be some late changes.
They just mentioned during the VFL broadcast that 5 of the 8 emergencies for tonight's game aren't playing. There may be some late changes.
For us its just Binns and Dow
We're currently bottom 4 😳
We're currently bottom 4 😳
Beat me to it.
If we win tonight 5 of our next 6 games are sides outside the 8.
Just got to get it done tonight.
Waiting to see if we do something different… or more of the same which doesn’t work.
Okay, I think I need a glass of whatever you had.
The ol' glass half full
I'll get hung for saying it but Id take finishing bottom 4 and get a real quality kid in the draft or trade the pick for more picks...
Waiting to see if we do something different… or more of the same which doesn’t work.
Vossy saying they're reinforcing the 'more dare' approach. If our 2's are any indication, we MIGHT see something different. We used the corridor reasonably well and had 68 i50's. Goal kicking was Carlton standard 14.15 with some sitters missed.
If we get the same result, we'll be happy campers.
Go Blues
I'll get hung for saying it but Id take finishing bottom 4 and get a real quality kid in the draft or trade the pick for more picks...
We will manage that without even tanking.
Vossy saying they're reinforcing the 'more dare' approach. If our 2's are any indication, we MIGHT see something different. We used the corridor reasonably well and had 68 i50's. Goal kicking was Carlton standard 14.15 with some sitters missed.
If we get the same result, we'll be happy campers.
Go Blues
Dare takes skill, too many in the ones butcher it.
I'll get hung for saying it but Id take finishing bottom 4 and get a real quality kid in the draft or trade the pick for more picks...
If we can't play finals we may as well get a good draft pick I suppose.
Dare takes skill, too many in the ones butcher it.
We've been so inconsistent 22-23. What our skill levels are is a mystery to me. I do know we've shown we have it, just not consistently. My hope tonight is that we find form. The rest, limited as it may be, will follow.
With the Giants winning today, we have dropped to 15th now.
Phillips in for them, with Draper they will smash TDK and SOS to pieces.
Just watching the VFL. The sooner Cunningham can play the better His kicking has set up half the goals so far.
Thats the exact reason i've been calling for his inclusion (along with Martin) as soon as they are deemed fit enough.
Both offer something we desperately need in the 1's. Speed, pace and kicking ability.
Its just their ability to stay fit thats the issue.
Daisy Thomas towers over the dominator.
Just give us something to be proud of Carlton, just have a bloody fair dinkum go for once.
Daisy would last about three seconds on the Dominator....or he'd be shifted after the first three goals
Vossy starts on the bench