Unfortunately Hawthorn appear to have developed quicker than I hoped. I still can't believe they gave away so much talent. However, they've played better than we have in recent times.
Sicily banned for 3 games. Handy for us. Perhaps our luck is changing.
Sicily banned for 3 games. Handy for us. Perhaps our luck is changing.
Yep...cant see them troubling us without him as their General down back. They are very young and cant afford to lose one of their few leaders. Got some tough kids in the midfield who will make life hard at times for our mids in terms of contesting but down back they are very light on for tall defenders and most on this forum wouldnt even know their ex Box Hill fullback by name.
They have some good smalls in Bruest and the underated Moore but I dont see Lewis worrying Weitering too much and I'd see this panning out a bit like the Gold Coast game but with a smaller margin eg 3-5 goals.
Only way I would see us losing this game is if we turn up thinking its easy with no effort required or we get some horrendous matchups happening...which we are very capable of sometimes.
Carlton have accepted the one match ban on Cottrell.....so at least one change to be made. Binns comes in.....or Dow into the 2
Carlton have accepted the one match ban on Cottrell.....so at least one change to be made. Binns comes in.....or Dow into the 2
Not sure Dow needs to go back to the 2s. He has shown a bit over the last couple of weeks as the sub to look like he belongs in the team.
Sorry frosty....meant Dow into the 22......definitely earned a shot.
Sorry frosty....meant Dow into the 22......definitely earned a shot.
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Binns could be worth a go, even though Dow deserves more minutes. Hawthorn don't have star wingers; they're mostly youngsters. A good place to blood Binns.
With Cottrell out I'd bring Binns and Dow into the 22 and give them both a good run. Who to the subs vest Not sure.
Weird situation really - a good win here and will go from bottom four to as high as 11th with a game out of the 8.
Weird situation really - a good win here and will go from bottom four to as high as 11th with a game out of the 8.
Yeah but the sky’s still falling.
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Yeah but the sky’s still falling.
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Yep, the more doubt and despair the fans read from the AFL media, the more confident you should be in the path we are on, the bulk of the current AFL media is anti-Carlton, they aren't just working against us, they are scared of a Carlton resurgence.
Our latent supporter base is the biggest in the country, bigger than the Filth or Wet Toast. We get it right, and we suck up the prime media slots and coverage, as well as the sponsorship dollars, the resource is finite, if people start putting the discretionary dollars with Carlton those dollars come from some other club's wallet!
Yep, the more doubt and despair the fans read from the AFL media, the more confident you should be in the path we are on, the bulk of the current AFL media is anti-Carlton, they aren't just working against us, they are scared of a Carlton resurgence.
Our latent supporter base is the biggest in the country, bigger than the Filth or Wet Toast. We get it right, and we suck up the prime media slots and coverage, as well as the sponsorship dollars, the resource is finite, if people start putting the discretionary dollars with Carlton those dollars come from some other club's wallet!
Thats hilarious.
No Sicily really hurts them down back. Hopefully a chance for Charlie to get back to the top of the Coleman race and for us to build on the confidence from the GC win.
Flying over from Perth for this one so I'm banking on a win!!
Saw a little bit of the Dawks game v GC and have to say I'm a wee little bit more confident than I was last week. Dawks just seemed to be trying to minimise the damage. Played Will Day behind the ball for the entire 2nd quarter?? Strange tactics with one of their major ball winners. Didn't see how it went after halftime but wasn't a lot that I saw to cause concern.
On paper, our team is better across every line. This is beyond doubt IMO. Whether that translates to what should be a good win is another matter entirely.
Our problems are so clearly linked to execution that it must be beyond demoralising for the coaching staff, for all but those 120 mins we look the goods, and often for even 100 of those 120 minutes we look the goods.
But those 10 or 20 minutes in total each week of missed set shots, poor disposal skills and bad decision making are killing our season.
The bye came at 150% the wrong time for us, I will be staggered (but at the same time pleasantly surprised) if we break the trend and win post bye which is a shame because this should be a game we tick off as a win.
There is a bit in the media about teams coming off a bye and losing. Excluding teams that played other teams coming off a bye, all but one of the teams that lost also travelled interstate. We just need to come out and play tough consistent footy.
Saw a little bit of the Dawks game v GC and have to say I'm a wee little bit more confident than I was last week. Dawks just seemed to be trying to minimise the damage. Played Will Day behind the ball for the entire 2nd quarter?? Strange tactics with one of their major ball winners. Didn't see how it went after halftime but wasn't a lot that I saw to cause concern.
Agree but we have been shooting ourselves on the foot all season. We let teams win and its been a demoralising season so far but still in it. Need Cunners and Jack Martin in good form and playing well.
The 'bye' is a bit of 'boogeyman'.
It will be a test of mental toughness...It's not like they won't be aware of the stats regarding wins after byes.
I reckon they can overcome it and win easily.
If not...it's eyes on 2024
The 'bye' is a bit of 'boogeyman'.
It will be a test of mental toughness...It's not like they won't be aware of the stats regarding wins after byes.
I reckon they can overcome it and win easily.
If not...it's eyes on 2024
Agree, we struggle against sides above us and although Haw is just below us, we MUST win these games post bye or not.
A must win game for the coach in particular imho, dont care what the CEO says about Voss being safe for 2024 but if we lose vs Hawthorn then Voss will be back in the firing line with two tough games coming up.
hawks beat saints /lions ,i am not confident at all
Pittonet out. Silvagni in. Dow dropped. Reported on CH7
Pittonet out. Silvagni in. Dow dropped. Reported on CH7
grouse
Yet another week of inexplicable MC decisions
Just to clarify, apparently Pittonet is out injured, not dropped.
Wonder what Paddy Dow did wrong last week...?
Cincotta, Kennedy and Owies on the bench plus probably Hewitt. Binns to play his first game.
I hope they are explaining to Dow what is going on because I have absolutely no idea. We finally had a team with a bit of pace and we had a good result. Now it seems we are going back to business as usual which hasn't been all that good. I hope I am wrong but I have grave concerns about this.
Pittonet is turning out to be another one of our 'constantly' injured. :(
So TDK is maybe going.
Good luck with the ruck ::)
Pittonet is turning out to be another one of our 'constantly' injured. :(
So TDK is maybe going.
Good luck with the ruck ::)
Talk of Jack Silvagni also moving elsewhere.
Pittonet's injury is apparently a PCL being managed after the Gold Coast game.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1367396/afl-squad-selection-six-inclusions-ruckman-to-miss
Dow probably needs to either be starting the game or back in the VFL.
He hasn't had a full game for weeks...so the omission makes sense from that point of view. ::) ::)
Pittonet did his PCL last year in April, which kept him out for a few months. Does anyone know if this latest injury (strain) is the same knee ?
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The ruck has been managing a knee issue and is no certainty for the coming weeks.
Tom De Koning was also absent from training today and is a watch for Sunday.Pittonet did his PCL last year in April, which kept him out for a few months. Does anyone know if this latest injury (strain) is the same knee ?
Read elsewhere it's the other knee Paul, but just a forum post so treat it with care.
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Read elsewhere it's the other knee Paul, but just a forum post so treat it with care.
Thanks Lods.
Pittonet is turning out to be another one of our 'constantly' injured. :(
So TDK is maybe going.
Good luck with the ruck ::)
This is my only criticism of Pitto, he is unreliable from an availability point of view. If TDK goes we are farked.
I seriously feel for Vossy, this club is dead set cursed.
This is my only criticism of Pitto, he is unreliable from an availability point of view. If TDK goes we are farked.
It's okay we have Jack.
De Koning in genuine doubt, hence Young in the squad.
2 ruckmen out, the other a no show at training. This could get really ugly.
Pitto's only real problem is that he cannot stay on the park. This would have been a good time to blood Mirkov, but he's out until next year. Young and Silvagni try, but they aren't rucks.
We can't take a trick on the injury front.
This is my only criticism of Pitto, he is unreliable from an availability point of view. If TDK goes we are farked.
That we are.
Fortunately for me, I have our family salami making day on Sunday so can't go or watch on TV. I can't say I'm unhappy about that.
If we're lucky we will have one ruck versus Ned Reeve whomakes Pitto look undersized, if not we'll have SoJ and Young!
If our Mids aren't completely dominant and efficient we are completely screwed!
Fortunately for me, I have our family salami making day on Sunday so can't go or watch on TV. I can't say I'm unhappy about that.
Mmmm... homemade salami... drool...
Well, with no rucks at all, it will settle the argument as to whether rucks are important. ;)
Mmmm... homemade salami... drool...
Calabrese style Sat, Umbrian style Sunday.
Well, with no rucks at all, it will settle the argument as to whether rucks are important. ;)
Not really. We're not going up against Darcy or Gawn here.
Not really. We're not going up against Darcy or Gawn here.
They will have a ruckman.
There's a chance we won't. ;)
Not really. We're not going up against Darcy or Gawn here.
Agree...Their rucks are kids and so are their mids, we should be able to cope ok.
Collingwood had no rucks for a while and showed you can still be competitive if you get inventive ...
Being without a ruckman should not be the difference between winning and losing, but it does make the former more difficult. For team like us that still has the wobbles, it will be a factor unfortunately. Hopefully the boys are good enough to overcome it.
Well, with no rucks at all, it will settle the argument as to whether rucks are important. ;)
The actual result win or lose won't tell us much because it depends on too many variables, but how it happens might be a strong indicator!
If we see the Dawks kiddie Midfield nullify / dominate Cripps, Cerra, Walsh, Hewett, etc., etc.. that will be a tell.
SoJ and Young can't win the tap, they better be getting on their bike to run and check Ned Reeves into the ground, pushing hard forward and back to intercept high balls and becoming a threat in F50. If we think those two can just jog around and wrestle with Ned like we are 200cm taggers we will be playing into the hands of the Dawks.
Apparently it's an upset if Hawthorn win .. 16th vs 15th, if either side wins it's an upset
Is this the first time all five draft picks from 2015 are playing in the same team.?
What is wrong with TDK?
What is wrong with TDK?
Not sure, and in fact I'm not even sure he's out. The rumour started that he missed the last training session and is therefore a wait and see. But he's named in the squad on the CFC website, posted 18 hours ago.
What is wrong with TDK?
Heard last night that he is a bit bruised and sore. Unclear at that time whether he would be available.
Heard last night that he is a bit bruised and sore. Unclear at that time whether he would be available.
Need another backup ruck...Essendon have been getting value out of our old mate flipper.He is no champ but just competes and allows Draper and lately Bryan a decent rest. Pittonet is getting banged up with the workload and TDK is too delicate to be a No 1 ruckman imo who plays big minutes.
Need another backup ruck...Essendon have been getting value out of our old mate flipper.He is no champ but just competes and allows Draper and lately Bryan a decent rest. Pittonet is getting banged up with the workload and TDK is too delicate to be a No 1 ruckman imo who plays big minutes.
I was watching Flipper recently playing for the Bummers and thinking that he would have been very handy for us currently.
Based on the way we belted GC the other week, we should account for the Hawks relatively easily.
However, the Hawks are an up & coming outfit who have claimed a decent scalp this year so it depends on which of our teams turn up on the day, could end in tears for us.
Well, with no rucks at all, it will settle the argument as to whether rucks are important. ;)
We won't win because Dow is not playing! :o
Agree...Their rucks are kids and so are their mids, we should be able to cope ok.
Collingwood had no rucks for a while and showed you can still be competitive if you get inventive ...
Coll are on top, we are 15th
Coll are on top, we are 15th
They were rucking Frampton and Johnson at one stage....a recycle and a mid season rookie who are both undersized, they did the job, didnt win the rucks but just made it harder for the opposition. Someone like Harry has to step up and take his turn, Young can have a go....both 200cm or bigger...the Pies duo were less equipped to do the job but the reason they are on top and we are 15th is they adapt with odds and sods players and compete and its the next soldier up mentality.
Hawthorn have kid rucks and kid mids....as MBB said its not Gawn and Grundy with Petracca, Oliver and crew we are playing...
Blues by 5 goals with one leg in the air is how this game should play out if we get effort from the group...not just 3-4 players.
They were rucking Frampton and Johnson at one stage....a recycle and a mid season rookie who are both undersized, they did the job, didnt win the rucks but just made it harder for the opposition. Someone like Harry has to step up and take his turn, Young can have a go....both 200cm or bigger...the Pies duo were less equipped to do the job but the reason they are on top and we are 15th is they adapt with odds and sods players and compete and its the next soldier up mentality.
Hawthorn have kid rucks and kid mids....as MBB said its not Gawn and Grundy with Petracca, Oliver and crew we are playing...
Blues by 5 goals with one leg in the air is how this game should play out if we get effort from the group...not just 3-4 players.
Agree. I we are serious we should win comfortably.
Agree...Their rucks are kids and so are their mids, we should be able to cope ok.
Collingwood had no rucks for a while and showed you can still be competitive if you get inventive ...
Ned Reeves is older than TDK, those young small bodied Mids are lightning quick and run all day, take them lightly and they will run right over us!
Ned Reeves is older than TDK, those young small bodied Mids are lightning quick and run all day, take them lightly and they will run right over us!
Yes, I tend to agree. They are a very hot and cold team, but their hot is pretty good.
Ned Reeves is older than TDK, those young small bodied Mids are lightning quick and run all day, take them lightly and they will run right over us!
Reeves is one year older, has only been playing for three years@30 games...TDK has been in the system for 5 seasons@50 games.
Hawks mids are in main the coalface type....Newcombe, McDonald, Worpel, Maginness, Ward along with the quicker Butler, Day, Moore.....they contest and chase well so our mids need to provide effort for 4 quarters and be physical.
Reeves is one year older, has only been playing for three years@30 games...TDK has been in the system for 5 seasons@50 games.
Hawks mids are in main the coalface type....Newcombe, McDonald, Worpel, Maginness, Ward along with the quicker Butler, Day, Moore.....they contest and chase well so our mids need to provide effort for 4 quarters and be physical.
In the ruck it'll be kiddies versus kiddies if TDK plays, it's far worse if TDK doesn't play because it's a ruck versus next to nothing!
Personally, I doubt the ruck will make much difference this game, because TDK solo won't have the freedom and won't be able to exercise that freedom even if we can orchestrate it, so if he plays I expect game impact to be a nil all draw.
We need the likes of Cunningham and Fogarty and other fringe players beating up on the kiddies, they need to treat this weekend like a feast laid on for beggars! If our fringe players have average games against the Dawks kiddies, then they deserve their papers to be stamped!
In: Ed Curnow, Jack Silvagni
Out: Matthew Cottrell (suspension), Marc Pittonet (knee soreness), Paddy Dow
Looks like Dow will be the sub.
Looks like Dow will be the sub.
Nope.
Emergencies....
[36] Josh Honey,
[32] Jaxon Binns,
[29] George Hewett,
[33] Lewis Young
So Tom De Koning is in. A good thing IMO, and hopefully not hampered by soreness or other lingering issues.
So Tom De Koning is in. A good thing IMO, and hopefully not hampered by soreness or other lingering issues.
For now at least.
Young is luking in the emergencies should he not get up.
It's a little confusing because this is how it's showing up on AFL.com
HAWTHORN
In: C.Wingard, F.Greene, J.Ward
Out: L.Bramble (omitted), C.Mackenzie (omitted), J.Koschitzke (omitted), T.Brockman (illness)
R15 sub: Sam Butler
CARLTON
In: J.Silvagni, E.Curnow
Out: M.Cottrell (suspension), M.Pittonet (knee), P.Dow (omitted)
R14 sub: Paddy Dow
It's our 15th game so I'm not sure why they're telling us about the rd 14 sub-Dow
It's a little confusing because this is how it's showing up on AFL.com
It's our 15th game so I'm not sure why they're telling us about the rd 14 sub-Dow
We had the bye
We had the bye
Yep
They're giving both sides the last weeks sub.
Not sure why it's relevant.
It was just in the article on team changes.
Anyway, on the main team list section they've got it all under control.
No subs as yet.
HTF does Ed keep getting games...are we tanking or something!?!
We finally win a game with quicker players, let's bring in slow players
If Dow is not selected as the sub then surely there is something other than football ability which is causing his non-selection.
If Dow is not selected as the sub then surely there is something other than football ability which is causing his non-selection.
I can see the sense in not making him the sub if he's not getting a full game.
He hasn't played a 'full game' in a number of weeks.
But I just don't see why he's not getting a game, as he's been better than quite few when he has come on.
Now you can say, that's because he's come on fresh when others are tiring.
But it really is a case of 'we'll never know, because it's not happening'
And it doesn't look like happening.
Anyway, it's obvious he's gone at the end of the year, and I think he'll go with a fair bit of sympathy and support from a lot of Carlton supporters.
If Dow is not selected as the sub then surely there is something other than football ability which is causing his non-selection.
Team balance; how many inside mids can you play without having one play off half back?
Ed coming back in is a bit of a surprise. Who will he run with?
It's a little confusing because this is how it's showing up on AFL.com
It's our 15th game so I'm not sure why they're telling us about the rd 14 sub-Dow
Lets say we want to go into next weeks game with an unchanged lineup.
It will still say
In: -
Out: Player x (sub)
....because they can't name the sub until day of the game.
Team balance; how many inside mids can you play without having one play off half back?
Ed coming back in is a bit of a surprise. Who will he run with?
Newcombe...
Lets say we want to go into next weeks game with an unchanged lineup.
It will still say
In: -
Out: Player x (sub)
....because they can't name the sub until day of the game.
Yes, but what it said was 'Rd 14 sub Dow'
How is it relevant who was the sub last week?
I know at least one group that went with Dow is the sub for Sunday based on that.
But it's not a biggie and doesn't really matter much.
Still, On the last point, hasn't Voss telegraphed the sub on occasions a couple of days before the game.
Yes, but what it said was 'Rd 14 sub Dow'
How is it relevant who was the sub last week?
I know at least one group that went with Dow is the sub for Sunday based on that.
But it's not a biggie and doesn't really matter much.
Still, On the last point, hasn't Voss telegraphed the sub on occasions a couple of days before the game.
It said R14 sub, because during our R14 match, he was the sub.
As i said, if we want to unchange a side, there will always be 'an out' and it will be whoever the sub was that game.
That same player may have been nominated as the sub in the upcoming game (or he may be left completely out) and it will still say 'sub'.
The number of outs will always be 1 more than the number of ins.
The fact Dow is not part of the emergencies for this week though, ensures he can not be the sub. (unless there is some late changes from the team)
HTF does Ed keep getting games...are we tanking or something!?!
We finally win a game with quicker players, let's bring in slow players
Ed getting picked defies all logic. This club is "F"'ed. Surely it can only be to appease his brother. Cannot be based on form. I'm so disillusioned right now. A real downer. Have lost all confidence with this mob.
It said R14 sub, because during our R14 match, he was the sub.
As i said, if we want to unchange a side, there will always be 'an out' and it will be whoever the sub was that game.
That same player may have been nominated as the sub in the upcoming game (or he may be left completely out) and it will still say 'sub'.
The number of outs will always be 1 more than the number of ins.
The fact Dow is not part of the emergencies for this week though, ensures he can not be the sub. (unless there is some late changes from the team)
I'm not sure this is worth arguing. ;D
I understand and agree with everything you're saying
So really, no argument. ;)
And it's only because we were looking at two different team "Ins and outs" in different sections on the same site.
The fact that the subs for last round were placed alongside the team 'ins and outs' for this round caused confusion and at least one site went with Dow as the sub for the Hawks game.
Hewett, Honey and Young not playing VFL
Looks like TDK might be missing-Young to ruck and Hewett the sub
Hewett, Honey and Young not playing VFL
Looks like TDK might be missing-Young to ruck and Hewett the sub
Not a good sign at all. Young has not impressed as a ruckman.
Hewett is a good player, but I'm not sold on him as a sub. Maybe it will be a masterstroke, but I have my doubts.
Honey - I can't understand how Honey is getting close. Dow has him covered in most aspects.
It's official.
Tdk out and young in.
Hewitt is the sub.
It's official.
Tdk out and young in.
Hewitt is the sub.
Yes reported as a knee issue on the AFL app.