Weagles have improved of late. Do we do a Port and rest players? I hope not.
Weagles have improved of late. Do we do a Port and rest players? I hope not.
Could rest half the team and still win by plenty....
Weagles have improved of late. Do we do a Port and rest players? I hope not.
Taking any team lightly, including Wet Toast, is very likely to end in tears.
It might be a good opportunity to give Binns a taste of AFL footy but I wouldn't like to see too many "managed" outs.
We are a team that needs continuity and that means games played together. Not chop and change and tinker.
I hope the players aren't like supporters and are focussing solely on PA and not WC yet.
I hope the players aren't like supporters and are focussing solely on PA and not WC yet.
Considering the result, I think we were concentrating on the right game.
I'm looking to Collingwood.
I'm looking to Collingwood.
I'm not looking that far ahead. I love how we're playing, but I won't look ahead more than a week: too much can happen, too quickly, especially if we get more injuries. God knows we get injuries.
I'm not looking that far ahead. I love how we're playing, but I won't look ahead more than a week: too much can happen, too quickly, especially if we get more injuries. God knows we get injuries.
Just need another solid win against a club that is on its knees. Like last year, % may play an important part in shaping the ladder, its imperative we are on the right side of the ledger.
Danger game ;)
And this one may be more of a mental challenge than a physical one.
Dropping players would send a message we don't rate them (even if we don't)
You don't want to fire them up.
Because if they come hard at us that will make the game a tougher contest than it might otherwise be if they think were treating them with respect and caution.
How to keep things 'honest' when the spectre of the Collingwood challenge looms would probably be in the thoughts of some, even most, players.
We should win easy, but we're all probably well aware now of the dangers of going into a game with a relaxed mindset, as hard as it might be with the Eagles record this season.
Assuming Harry will miss at least a week, who comes in to replace him?
Lewis Young is an option. He can clunk a mark and brings the ball to the ground. He should know our forward running patterns and he could take forward 50 ruck contests.
Then there’s Harry Lemmey. He has a similar skill set to Young but is more comfortable as a forward. I think that he’s probably a pre-season away from AFL standard but we’re playing Wet Toast.
O’Keeffe is very raw but he can clunk a mark and is a good set shot for goal. The VFL rucks tend to rest forward - O’Keeffe is often given a spell by Lemmey - so he would know our forward structures and running patterns. Probably too big an ask though.
We could just leave Charlie and Jack as our key forwards and go with the same structure as we used for most of the Port game. Binns or Hollands could replace Harry in the 22 or does Paddy Dow get a full game? I think yesterday’s effort showed why he’s on the margins.
I’d be tempted to give Lemmey a run but I think the MC will go with Binns.
Cowan in for Boyd (suspended).
Assuming Harry will miss at least a week, who comes in to replace him?
I suspect Pitto will be back next week if fit, we can't expect that level of solo output from Charlie week after week, it would run him into the ground and he'll get injured.
Pretty much the same applies to TDK, I'd leave SoJ in F50 while his confidence is up, and ruck Pitto and TDK in rotation.
I was fearing things in the 3rd quarter as both Charlie and TDK started landing awkwardly and losing their feet, which happens more when fatigue sets in. Fans ignore the cost of performing like this they just shout out questions about why don't we play like that all the time, there is a very good reason for the variability!
Cowan in for Boyd (suspended).
Didn't Boyd release the opponent before he hit the deck?
There is a huge difference between pinning an arm and slinging them with two actions to the ground, and the opponent collapsing under a pure tackle despite being released before hitting the deck.
I suspect MRO will charge Boyd, which is what the AFL want to do to avoid long term liability, and we'll appeal and he'll get off. Fans have to remember, many umpires and tribunal officials are lawyers or judges by day!
Didn't Boyd release the opponent before he hit the deck?
There is a huge difference between pinning an arm and slinging them with two actions to the ground, and the opponent collapsing under a pure tackle despite being released before hitting the deck.
I suspect MRO will charge Boyd, which is what the AFL want to do to avoid long term liability, and we'll appeal and he'll get off. Fans have to remember, many umpires and tribunal officials are lawyers or judges by day!
I think Boyd's gorn. The umpire paying the free and Byrne-Jones getting concussed is probably too much of an obstacle for our legal team to surmount. I thought the free was pretty rough when it was paid but changed my mind after watching the replay. Boyd may well have released Byrne-Jones but he did sling him into the turf.
Assuming Harry will miss at least a week, who comes in to replace him?
Assuming Pittonet is fit, he comes in and TDK/Jack play forward/backup ruck.
We can play Pittonet out of the square on occassions if we want to give TDK an extended run in the ruck and kick on his head.
If Pitt doesn't come up, then it could get messy.
As a bit of a left field option,
Bring in Marchbank to play down back and switch McGovern forward.
Didn't Boyd release the opponent before he hit the deck?
There is a huge difference between pinning an arm and slinging them with two actions to the ground, and the opponent collapsing under a pure tackle despite being released before hitting the deck.
I suspect MRO will charge Boyd, which is what the AFL want to do to avoid long term liability, and we'll appeal and he'll get off. Fans have to remember, many umpires and tribunal officials are lawyers or judges by day!
The bloke was concussed as a result of the tackle, EOS.
The bloke was concussed as a result of the tackle, EOS.
Even so, they are umpiring and adjudicating based on a legal liability, not on a specific act.
The bloke was concussed as a result of the tackle, EOS.
Kosi ran into an umpire and got concussed. Was that the umpires fault? Did he get suspended??
We need to stop convicted people based on outcomes and rather on the act.
Wasn't even a free kick, certainly shouldn't be suspended.
Kosi ran into an umpire and got concussed. Was that the umpires fault? Did he get suspended??
We need to stop convicted people based on outcomes and rather on the act.
Wasn't even a free kick, certainly shouldn't be suspended.
errr, pretty sure a free kick was paid and a goal was scored?
The bloke was concussed as a result of the tackle, EOS.
Agree..Think it will be the duty of care to land the player safely and given it was a concussion and Byrne Jones will miss games its going to be a suspension imo.
errr, pretty sure a free kick was paid and a goal was scored?
I know a free was paid. I'm just saying it wasn't even worthy of a free kick.
Free kicks get paid all the time, doesn't mean they are there.
I saw a free kick paid for high contact when a swinging arm was launched at Camporeales head back in the day. He responded by holding his jaw. Replay shows the arm never got within 20cm of any part of his body, but he a free kick was paid.
Boyd referred straight to the Tribunal.
Boyd referred straight to the Tribunal.
A week’s holiday at best.
Boyd unlucky because it was the perfect hard tackle. Maybe players should wear cycle-like helmets that Caleb Daniel wears as mandatory because the game is getting faster.
Boyd unlucky because it was the perfect hard tackle. Maybe players should wear cycle-like helmets that Caleb Daniel wears as mandatory because the game is getting faster.
Helmets don't stop concussions, the mechanism inside the skull still occurs when the head takes a knock whether you are wearing a helmet or not.
Helmets don't stop concussions, the mechanism inside the skull still occurs when the head takes a knock whether you are wearing a helmet or not.
Not entirely true.
Its the sudden stop that forces the brain to move inside the skull.
If the stop is less sudden, courtesy of some kind of cushioning (be that a helmet, or an air bag, or even the crumple zone on a car) then the force on the brain is less, thus less chance of a concussion.
Boyd will get three, EOS. Dusty should too.
I suspect we'll box on with a makeshift forward line but gees it would be nice to have some young talls developing in the twos just in case, the few we have (Lemmy then crickets) look years off.
Boyd will get three, EOS. Dusty should too.
I suspect we'll box on with a makeshift forward line but gees it would be nice to have some young talls developing in the twos just in case, the few we have (Lemmy then crickets) look years off.
Crickets first for me at this stage.
Not impressed by Lemmy - looks too stiff in his movements.
Crickets first for me at this stage.
Not impressed by Lemmy - looks too stiff in his movements.
Yep, miles off.
Almost certain Pitto comes in and not much other change subject to Boyd going out, perhaps opportunity for Cowan.
I would give Dow a full game and make Cripps sub, use him if required.
Fun fact.
Going into this game, we are 6th favourites for the flag!
We are currently 10th on the ladder......and haven't even been in the 8 for 10 weeks now.
They know we're coming....
Unfortunately we'll likely lose Boyd. We might get it reduced to 2 weeks. Cowan the obvious replacement.
If we win by 50pts we'll be the 3rd side in history to win 5 successive games by that margin. Could argue the 2nd side given Geelong did it the other two times, in 1989 and 2008.
I've seen the Boyd incident. Not sure it's a two motion tackle. Unlike some of the others his positioning is one where he cannot see that his opponent disposed of the footy and simply completes a tackle.
The one argument against him is the outcome. If there is concussion it shouldn't automatically mean suspension and the referral to the tribunal is a tell that the MRO don't really know what to do with tackles these days.
Boyd, McKay and Cerra out. Young and Cowan in, Dow to play a full game. Might be time to give Binns a go as the sub.
Not sure how he's been going in the 2's but wouldn't mind bringing back Hollands if we have a spot. Cowan for Boyd seems a no-brainer but the MC have pulled off some strange selections over time.
Gov and Saad may be a little sore and weary too, we may well end up with 4 or more forced changes.
Percentage is pretty important. There are 3 other sides with a draw - our current percentage is higher than Richmond, similar to Sydney, and lower than Geelong's.
This is a great opportunity to bank another 4 or 5% which is generally pretty hard to do at this time of the year. If Brisbane can touch up Geelong at the Gabba, we might close that gap a long way, and put some distance on the other two.
Foot to the pedal!
Eagles have a better balance of youth and experience and probably feed up with thrashings , did ok against a rampaging Tigers team.
Yeo may be another inclusion, more experience to come in , we need to be alert no time for complacency. Definitely a danger game.
I can see outs being:
H
Saad
Cerra
Boyd (sup)
Fun fact.
Going into this game, we are 6th favourites for the flag!
We are currently 10th on the ladder......and haven't even been in the 8 for 10 weeks now.
They know we're coming....
After this game which we better win is our real test. Definitely sides that have a competitive ability to win games and do something comes finals time. Keep the lid on and win this game first. Week by week basis is the common phrase, right?
Percentage is pretty important. There are 3 other sides with a draw - our current percentage is higher than Richmond, similar to Sydney, and lower than Geelong's.
This is a great opportunity to bank another 4 or 5% which is generally pretty hard to do at this time of the year. If Brisbane can touch up Geelong at the Gabba, we might close that gap a long way, and put some distance on the other two.
Foot to the pedal!
3 other sides with a draw, yes, but not really competing for spots with them.
Sydney are done.
Tigers are as good as done.
Geelong is the only one, but they'll probably be a few wins ahead of us making % irrelevent.
It’s unlikely that we could improve our percentage beyond Geelong’s in the event that we do end up on equal points. Similarly, if Richmond match us for wins, they won’t make up the percentage difference.
We have to keep winning but the margins won’t mean much. It’s points not percentage that will determine the eight.
I can't make any predictions about this season, games are as unpredictable as the long term effects of 5G!
I can't make any predictions about this season, games are as unpredictable as the long term effects of 5G!
The only prediction I'm game to make is that winning games of footy is the key to a good season :)
The only prediction I'm game to make is that winning games of footy is the key to a good season :)
Winning is nourishing as Vossy says.
The best motivation for 'turning up to play' this Saturday.... they should be made to watch a replay of the West Coast game in Sydney from a couple of years ago where we lost the unlose-able game. Irony being - because of that dark day at the SCG, we are a better team because of it.
bring in Binns ,cowan and if we are well in front 3/4 time try something different like play players in a different position.
bring in Binns ,cowan and if we are well in front 3/4 time try something different like play players in a different position.
No flirting with form and farking around with experiments. Pick the best side possible and win by 1000 points if possible.
No flirting with form and farking around with experiments. Pick the best side possible and win by 1000 points if possible.
Agree - unfortunately, we are not in a position to do anything but go hell-for-leather (literally) in every game we play over the next 6 weeks
This is the kind of stupid game we lose focus on, which bites us in the a...
You know we're in trouble because the F word for mentioned in the media post the weekend
This is the kind of stupid game we lose focus on, which bites us in the a...
You know we're in trouble because the F word for mentioned in the media post the weekend
Totally agree.
However we will see Saturday night - have we properly turned the corner on those stupid brain Fade games that are absolutely winnable but we manage to lose them! Remember the Adelaide game last year - would’ve made finals had we ‘turned up’ to play.
Part of turning a corner is ridding the team of that crap. Not acceptable .
This is the kind of stupid game we lose focus on, which bites us in the a...
You know we're in trouble because the F word for mentioned in the media post the weekend
Prof...We should win by 60 points plus with one leg in the air. WC 2023 are probably the worst team I have ever seen.
The only worry is injuries and losing a star player to some WC dud falling across one of our top players knees or similar.
I'd be resting sore important players and preparing for the tough games that follow.
The only worry is injuries and losing a star player to some WC dud falling across one of our top players knees or similar.
I'd be resting sore important players and preparing for the tough games that follow.
That can happen any week, goes with the territory. For mine, I aint resting anyone. As I have said previously, full gas (to coin a cycling phrase) from now to round 24. They had their 6 weeks off (ie of farking around) that cost them the season (and some would say Voss's job), time to keep the big boy pants on and see what they are made of and if they can salvage anything from the train wreck. Nuffs enuff.
I'm with EB1. Really worried about injuries this week. We've lost 2 very good soldiers in consecutive rounds. Is the Carlton injury curse going to continue?
7 out injured. 2 tests in Fisher and Cerra. 1 suspended for 3wks 😮💨
No doubt several playing with minor injuries. Unfortunately we don't have the luxury of allowing anyone to freshen up. That can certainly be useful for finals bound teams.
Have to continue being at our brutal best because we have Collingwood the following week and need the form without some key players like Harry and Kennedy and maybe Cerra.
Have to continue being at our brutal best because we have Collingwood the following week and need the form without some key players like Harry and Kennedy and maybe Cerra.
No doubt Cerra is being rested this week with Collingwood in mind.......
No doubt Cerra is being rested this week with Collingwood in mind.......
Someone on BF reckons no Cerra or Crippa this week.
Play the best available side.
Go as hard as possible.
Don't muck around with winning form and take a game easy, because that then becomes your norm and it's hard to turn it around.
We haven't been playing together well enough for long enough to be resting players and flirting with form!
I think we could try a few things and give an important player a spell.
We haven't been playing together well enough for long enough to be resting players and flirting with form!
Yes, we have to put the best possible team on the park each week. Maintaining our momentum and intensity is essential and resting players won’t do that … as Ken Hinkley now knows.
Not that a full strength Port Adelaide could have coped with our onslaught.
Play the best available side.
Go as hard as possible.
Don't muck around with winning form and take a game easy, because that then becomes your norm and it's hard to turn it around.
Yep, every week is an elimination final, 6 in a row.
If they're injured, don't play them. If they're fit...in the 23. We are NOT a club to be taking anyone lightly at this stage of the season.
McGovern and Ginbey confirmed outs for WCE leaving them really only Barass to play on Charlie. Barass is very strong in the air but I think Charlie might be a bit too mobile for him.
If Pitto gets up, ruck him and JSOS and leave TDK permanently forward. If not, as someone else suggested, I'd be tempted to play either of Marchbank or Young down back and move McGovern forward.
Assuming Cerra is out, I think Dow has earned a crack at a full game.
Cowan in for Boyd would be logical and would leave us to still play Doc more midfield.
CH7 reporting both Cripps and Cerra are out!! Cripps has a bad corkey?
Cripps and Cerra Out. Training pics showed him appearing to take training ie whistle in mouth.
This happened at the end of last season when Kennedy, Hewett and finally Walsh were all missing. It's only West Coast, but no Cripps, Cerra or Kennedy is a worry in the middle.
Hollands, Cowan and Ed in.....Cripps, Cerra and Harry out.
Not sure what else Binns needs to do?
Not sure what else Binns needs to do?
Build up for next season.
Hollands, Cowan and Ed in.....Cripps, Cerra and Harry out.
Not sure what else Binns needs to do?
Boyd also out. (suspended)
I'd have Binns as the sub
Cerra and Crippa are significant outs along with Kennedy.
Time for George to shine. Dow also if he gets the gig.
Go Blues
With our ‘outs’ this game has suddenly loomed as a bit of a worry.
With our ‘outs’ this game has suddenly loomed as a bit of a worry.
We went without Harry for the whole game last week.
Cerra didn't do much last week and Cripps is but one man.
Surely the difference between =1st (2nd in Port) and 18th is big enough that its a non-issue.
Build up for next season.
Agree, he is small my comparison to others.
With our ‘outs’ this game has suddenly loomed as a bit of a worry.
🤦🏻
Im very interested to see how Acres performs in the middle because he has been fantastic this year and easily top 10 in B&F IMO.
The guy rarely loses any 1 on 1s so will be interesting to see how brutal he gets in the middle.
Im very interested to see how Acres performs in the middle because he has been fantastic this year and easily top 10 in B&F IMO.
The guy rarely loses any 1 on 1s so will be interesting to see how brutal he gets in the middle.
As long as he is dishing it off by hand.
Guaranteed to kick it out on the full at least once a game.
Was twice that i can recall last week.
As long as he is dishing it off by hand.
Guaranteed to kick it out on the full at least once a game.
Was twice that i can recall last week.
Yep
He goes well at gaining possessions but his disposal is very poor by foot.
Yep
He goes well at gaining possessions but his disposal is very poor by foot.
I’d be more inclined to say that Acres’ disposal by foot is generally OK but occasionally strays into atrocious territory. He’s not Robinson Crusoe in that with Weitering, Boyd and Kemp chipping in from time to time.
Im very interested to see how Acres performs in the middle because he has been fantastic this year and easily top 10 in B&F IMO.
The guy rarely loses any 1 on 1s so will be interesting to see how brutal he gets in the middle.
Agree on Acres mostly, brute of a player however his disposal has been bad at times. I dont think I have ever seen player kick It OOTF with his first possession in so many games.
Subject to how the game is going, in the absence of Cripps and Cerra, the bloke who needs a run in then middle is Kemp.
If we'd had Pitto back the other who could have got some midfield time would have been SoJ, but now he's N/A for that role because he'll be 2nd rucking.
I suspect that with our critical 'outs', namely Crippa, Cez, Boyd and Chugga it will provide the team with a different challenge and one I hope/believe they'll be up for. Provided we continue to bring our intensity and 'the hunters' mindset, we may well surprise... in a positive way.
Acres, Cotters, Fog, Martin, Cunners, Doc, TDK and JSOS will all need to shoulder more in and around the midfield/stoppages. And run from the backline will be a premium. An interesting challenge.
When was the last time we rested players?
When was the last time we rested players?
When we were tanking.
Subject to how the game is going, in the absence of Cripps and Cerra, the bloke who needs a run in then middle is Kemp.
If we'd had Pitto back the other who could have got some midfield time would have been SoJ, but now he's N/A for that role because he'll be 2nd rucking.
Why do you want Kemp in the middle?
Keep him down back. He is performing very well, but is still learning. Silly to move him around.
You wanna move someone, you move Gov.
He's going really well in the role he's playing but early on the talk was that midfield was where he might end up.
The thing is that his greatest strength may choose to be his versatility so when the opportunity does arise we may be able to move him around a bit.
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/brodie-kemp/
He's going really well in the role he's playing but early on the talk was that midfield was where he might end up.
The thing is that his greatest strength may choose to be his versatility so when the opportunity does arise we may be able to move him around a bit.
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/brodie-kemp/
I remember all the talk and speculation, but he has not played there since being drafted.
Injuries aside, he is not required there, but is very much required to continue playing the role he is playing.
Its like suggesting that we swap Weitering to play in a ruck role because we are short there. Could potentially play there in a pinch, but there is no benefit to the team in doing so....quite the opposite...so why do it.
This would have been a good game to blood Binns in, but with our outs and the selection of Hollands that now seems unlikely absent late changes. Given the lack of height in the side it seems to me the sub will have to be either Young or Marchbank to cover the possibility of one of our talls going down - ordinarily you would expect the sub to be a runner but here I think we have to buck the trend. Marchbank would give run anyway, whilst Young gives us KP and ruck cover in the event of the worst.
Worried about the return of Ed, love the warrior but I think this year has been his one year too many and would rather have looked elsewhere.
I remember all the talk and speculation, but he has not played there since being drafted.
Injuries aside, he is not required there, but is very much required to continue playing the role he is playing.
Agree. would love to see him let loose in the midfield at some stage but this is not the week for it.
Its like suggesting that we swap Weitering to play in a ruck role because we are short there. Could potentially play there in a pinch, but there is no benefit to the team in doing so....quite the opposite...so why do it.
Why do you want Kemp in the middle?
Keep him down back. He is performing very well, but is still learning. Silly to move him around.
You wanna move someone, you move Gov.
One of the things SOS did was suggest that almost every player he drafted or traded in could play in the midfield and Kemp was no exception.
Despite Kemp playing exclusively as a key defender or key forward for us, SOS's midfield comment still reverberates.
I have no doubt that Kemp could play in the midfield but his intercept and contested marking in defence would be sorely missed. If our forward line is struggling, he could go forward (he was the under 18 All-Australian full forward) but I don't expect to see him in the midfield.
I have no doubt that Kemp could play in the midfield but his intercept and contested marking in defence would be sorely missed. If our forward line is struggling, he could go forward (he was the under 18 All-Australian full forward) but I don't expect to see him in the midfield.
If the opportunity presents we are crazy not to give Kemp a run through the midfield here or there, there is nobody on our list Kemp's size perhaps outside of McGovern, that can go with him over the first couple of meters of acceleration. Across the league, Bont has similar power, Stringer perhaps, De Goey, for size they are similar power over those first few meters.
There is no point fans complaining about Cripps being run into the ground, if our club doesn't actually try someone who can actually have an impact while giving him a chop out. There is no point using traffic cones, it has to be someone the opposition needs to respect.
The bulk of fans do not see this potential in Kemp because they are either ball watching or watching on TV, and what Kemp does and can do mostly happens before the ball gets near! There is a reason why you are seeing him more often as the 3rd man up and intercept marking, because he has the acceleration to leave his opponent at the last possible moment and clos the gap.
It's true we could try McGovern, but he's a much much better ball user than Kemp so losing McGovern off HB is a much bigger deal.
If we had Pitto and TDK, or some other combo that releases SoJ from ruck duty, then SoJ would be another great midfield rotation option that can offer a big body to give Cripps a chop out.
If the opportunity presents we are crazy not to give Kemp a run through the midfield here or there, there is nobody on our list Kemp's size perhaps outside of McGovern, that can go with him over the first couple of meters of acceleration. Across the league, Bont has similar power, Stringer perhaps, De Goey, for size they are similar power over those first few meters.
There is no point fans complaining about Cripps being run into the ground, if our club doesn't actually try someone who can actually have an impact while giving him a chop out. There is no point using traffic cones, it has to be someone the opposition needs to respect.
The bulk of fans do not see this potential in Kemp because they are either ball watching or watching on TV, and what Kemp does and can do mostly happens before the ball gets near! There is a reason why you are seeing him more often as the 3rd man up and intercept marking, because he has the acceleration to leave his opponent at the last possible moment and clos the gap.
It's true we could try McGovern, but he's a much much better ball user than Kemp so losing McGovern off HB is a much bigger deal.
If we had Pitto and TDK, or some other combo that releases SoJ from ruck duty, then SoJ would be another great midfield rotation option that can offer a big body to give Cripps a chop out.
Why on earth would you play one of the best intercept/contested marks in the midfield?
Apart from Kennedy, none of our midfielders are great marks. They don't have to be. KPPs require different skillsets and Kemp has shown that he has the KPP skillset throughout his career with us.
Jack is not a midfielder. He gets away with rucking because the opposition rucks are too slow to run off him.
Cowan obviously to half back, Ollie to the wing, so I assume Doc into the middle, Dow to play a full game in the middle, and Ed to rotate between midfield and small fwd. Our fwd line will be quite small again, which seemed to work pretty well last week after H went off.
Pretty big outs in the middle with Crippa, Cerra, and Kennedy out. As someone else mentioned Acres is listed in the middle though, so there's still a bit of size and experience in there.
Attitude will be everything, as it usually is. Turn up and we should still beat them pretty easily.
If the opportunity presents we are crazy not to give Kemp a run through the midfield here or there, there is nobody on our list Kemp's size perhaps outside of McGovern, that can go with him over the first couple of meters of acceleration. Across the league, Bont has similar power, Stringer perhaps, De Goey, for size they are similar power over those first few meters.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Our midfield is working very well.
Our backline is working very well.
We have guys in the 2's (Dow and Binns) who have been knocking the door down all year to get some 1's midfield time and you want to shoehorn Kemp into there instead?
Not only would it hurt our midfield (at best, just initially) but it would hurt our backline (intially and long-term) by doing this.
We have literally just starting getting everything working the way we want it, and you wanna change all that because of
a) some propaganda SOS said years ago.
b) some attribute that he shares with another good midfielder
even though there is no reason to do it?
Don't close your mind to the idea of Kemp in the mid-field completely.
Cripps will be 29 at the start of next year.
The way he plays it's probably likely he'll only have 3-4 years left...and the last few probably won't be pretty.
Our other midfielders are mostly proving to be as fragile as eggs.
We need to start looking for, and developing big bodied mids.
It doesn't have to be Kemp in the middle tomorrow, next week or even next year but it would be silly not to give him a run through there at some stage.
It's interesting...Kemp's best disposal game this year was against West Coast.
Most had a day out that day, and positionally I don't remember where he played but Kemp had 22 that day and kicked a goal.
Young, Weitering and McGovern all played so I suspect he was a bit at both ends.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a late change and one of Marchbank or Young come in.
Don't close your mind to the idea of Kemp in the mid-field completely.
Cripps will be 29 at the start of next year.
The way he plays it's probably likely he'll only have 3-4 years left...and the last few probably won't be pretty.
Our other midfielders are mostly proving to be as fragile as eggs.
We need to start looking for, and developing big bodied mids.
It doesn't have to be Kemp in the middle tomorrow, next week or even next year but it would be silly not to give him a run through there at some stage.
Why not try Weitering in the midfield? Harry might go OK there too. 😇
Earlier in the season we were shoehorning midfielders into the backline so it makes a lot of sense to move one of our best developing defenders into the midfield 😂
Of course, trying Kemp in the midfield could be worth it if he does the next pre-season with the midfielders and we recruit Darcy Moore, Tom Stewart or Brayden Maynard.
If I remember correctly, Kemp’s goal came after a 50m penalty.
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Cripps will be 29 at the start of next year.
The way he plays it's probably likely he'll only have 3-4 years left...and the last few probably won't be pretty....
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Going off topic somewhat, but assuming some luck with injury, and assuming the club can adroitly manage his workload (less games, less game time), Cripps should be able to play high quality footy for a few years yet. Hopefully the club can see the value of looking after him. Premierships aside, he deserves to be thought of (even at this writing) as one of the top 10 CFC players of all time. His personal record, accolades, achievements, longevity, loyalty etc., compares very favourably with the greats.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a late change and one of Marchbank or Young come in.
The most gettable 4 points in the history of mankind and we are gonna fark it up just you watch.
The most gettable 4 points in the history of mankind and we are gonna fark it up just you watch.
I reckon we'll go with the closest 22 we can get to last week's team and we'll play with the same intensity. Crippa may not be out there physically, but he'll still be willing the boys on and I think they'll respond well.
A danger game simply because it's a must win and everyone expects us to win....the fact we'll be a laughing stock if we don't win should be enough incentive, let alone 4 points and being within a whisker of the top 8 by the end of the weekend.
Carlton by 42 points
Why not try Weitering in the midfield? Harry might go OK there too. 😇
Because they lack the versatility of Kemp.
Don't pigeonhole this bloke.
As Kruddler said after the last West Coast game. :D
Kemp - can play tall or small or on a wing in a pinch
https://www.afl.com.au/news/149384/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-draft-top-30-your-clubs-whispers
BRODIE KEMP
POS: Utility
Ht 193cm, Wt 89kg, DOB 1/5/01
From Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
DRAFT PROFILE Bio, stats, highlights and more
Kemp's a first-round floater, mainly because the season-ending knee injury in July robbed him of the chance of finishing the season in a burst of midfield form. Nevertheless, his carnival for Vic Country was very impressive, playing all over the ground, including up forward where he kicked the match-winning goal against South Australia, and in bursts in the midfield against Western Australia. Tall, mobile and versatile, Kemp will appeal to a number of clubs early despite not being likely to play until deep into 2020. Gold Coast looms as a strong chance to take Kemp if he slides through.
I went to the Wet Toast v Tigers last week. Eagles were competitive except for a 10 min period where Richmond piled a few on. Tigers seemed to think they would cruise but needed that period to break away and that was the difference at the end. If this was in Perth I’d be a little worried but as it’s not I think we should be ok.
Eagles are a banana peel waiting for someone to slip up on. They still have some good players
Because they lack the versatility of Kemp.
Don't pigeonhole this bloke.
As Kruddler said after the last West Coast game. :D
https://www.afl.com.au/news/149384/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-draft-top-30-your-clubs-whispers
Yes Lods, his performance in that carnival saw him get All-Australian selection at full-forward. 🙂
Perhaps he’ll take Harry’s spot on Saturday 🤔
Every VFL and AFL game he’s played for us has been as a KPF or KPD. Not one of his coaches at both levels has given him a run in the midfield (if I remember correctly, he played one game as a midfielder in under 18s). I suspect that says just a little about where Brodie will play for seasons to come.
I have no doubt that he could play as a midfielder, but not as well as he plays as a KPP, and not as well as our current crop of midfielders can play.
Yes Lods, his performance in that carnival saw him get All-Australian selection at full-forward. 🙂
Perhaps he’ll take Harry’s spot on Saturday 🤔
Every VFL and AFL game he’s played for us has been as a KPF or KPD. Not one of his coaches at both levels has given him a run in the midfield (if I remember correctly, he played one game as a midfielder in under 18s). I suspect that says just a little about where Brodie will play for seasons to come.
I have no doubt that he could play as a midfielder, but not as well as he plays as a KPP, and not as well as our current crop of midfielders can play.
Could it be that they're developing a defensive side to his game as a starting point.
15 games into a career is much too early to be settling on a position.
As this fellow gains experience and game time and develops further who knows what he could be...and where it could be.
I suspect it will depend a lot on our needs at the time.
Martin out now. FMD if we lose this game I will spew up.....🤮
Kemp has been doing the job down back and is looking like the top ten pick he was going to be minus that injury when he was drafted. If its working dont fix it is the old saying and Id be leaving Kemp right where he is so he can play on the likes of Jack Darling this game and continue his education. I think the general opinion is McGovern is the player you would shift if we need another marking option down forward if Jack isnt firing or is rucking and TDK is off the ground but if you look at WC they have one tall defender in Barrass and the next tallest is Hough 191cm who is just a slender kid playing off half back so I think the likes of Jack and TDK should be able to give us some decent attacking avenues.
Martin out now. FMD if we lose this game I will spew up.....🤮
Worse still it's calf tightness! Out for the rest of the year
Worse still it's calf tightness! Out for the rest of the year
Maybe managed for the harder games ahead....
Just to be clear.
I'm not advocating Kemp anywhere else than where he's been playing...for the time being.
But I suspect in the years to come, as he develops, he'll play a number of different positions.
Martin out now. FMD if we lose this game I will spew up.....🤮
Droppin' like flies!
On a side note I see Liam Stocker has been dropped. Make of it what you will
Could it be that they're developing a defensive side to his game as a starting point.
15 games into a career is much too early to be settling on a position.
As this fellow gains experience and game time and develops further who knows what he could be...and where it could be.
I suspect it will depend a lot on our needs at the time.
He played as a key forward in many of his 28 VFL games. Perhaps they were trying to develop his forward craft too.
You're right about fitting in to our needs though Lods. If we do pick up a gun KPD, or Lewis Young returns to form, Brodie could play as a third tall defender or as a forward. However, his intercept marking and ability to break the lines is much better suited to a defensive role.
On a side note I see Liam Stocker has been dropped. Make of it what you will
His form has been very poor for the last several games. Of course, Liam is another player that SOS was convinced would make a good midfielder.
Let's hope Liam cracks in and does well enough in the VFL to get his spot in the 22 back again.
Because they lack the versatility of Kemp.
Don't pigeonhole this bloke.
As Kruddler said after the last West Coast game. :D
Yep, like Jarrad Waite and Matthew Richardson spent some time on a wing for a bit of x-factor and marking ability.
Thats different to playing midfield. ;)
His form has been very poor for the last several games. Of course, Liam is another player that SOS was convinced would make a good midfielder.
Let's hope Liam cracks in and does well enough in the VFL to get his spot in the 22 back again.
Agree on Stocker, his last couple of games have been ordinary and he has looked slow and is getting where the ball aint quoting the late Jack Dyer and no surprise he was dropped given the Saints have been real ordinary.
Be interested where he gets played in the twos...defense , midfield...think he is better suited down back but needs to show more work rate when he doesnt have the ball.
Martin out now. FMD if we lose this game I will spew up.....🤮
That's not good. Not only will we miss Jack's footy smarts and forward craft but it must place a huge question mark over his ability to cope with the demands of AFL footy.
I hope it's just us being cautious.
Three games before getting injured, must be a record
The Kemp argument is probably a bit futile because it all depends on what happens with other players...and what the side looks like in five years time.
What I'm pretty confident of is that Kemp has shown enough to indicate he'll be a big part of that.
All I'm saying is don't close our minds and pigeonhole him.
Robbie Walls would still be playing back pocket if we thought like that ;) :D
It's a little ironic and sad that a guy who had an impact on turning our season around can't stay on the field
DLWWWW...that's Jack's season.
The cynic in me suggests this is the best way to be 'disrespectful' to the opposition without being blatantly 'disrespectful'
Jack Martin has managed 141 games over his career, so whilst not a write off in any way, it's certainly a career of unrealised potential. He indisputably makes us a better team, and I've heard Voss refer to him as tough with a glint in his eye on 2 occasions. There can't be many higher compliments in football than that IMO.
Martin out now. FMD if we lose this game I will spew up.....🤮
Get your bucket ready, as usual, we will go from darlings of the competition to laughing stock in one week. You watch.
Three games before getting injured, must be a record
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And to make it worse, Martin's replacement is Honey? Thats the best we could do? Who is selecting our side, The Australian Cricket Team selectors?
Three games before getting injured, must be a record
2014 GC 10 games in a row was his best
2015 GC 6 games in a row was his best
2016 GC 12 games in a row was his best
2017 GC 14 games in a row was his best
2018 GC 8 games in a row was his best
2019 GC 16 games in a row was his best
2020 CARL 9 games in a row was his best
2021 CARL 8 games in a row was his best
2022 CARL 6 games in a row was his best
2023 CARL 5 games in a row will be his best
Get your bucket ready, as usual, we will go from darlings of the competition to laughing stock in one week. You watch.
That would be twice in a season😮💨
Surely not the predicably unpredictable performers. We need the very opposite to happen. Continue to build and consolidate.
Go Blues.
And to make it worse, Martin's replacement is Honey? Thats the best we could do? Who is selecting our side, The Australian Cricket Team selectors?
West Coast by 5 points.
And to make it worse, Martin's replacement is Honey? Thats the best we could do? Who is selecting our side, The Australian Cricket Team selectors?
I think I'd prefer Fisher to Honey. What I've seen of Honey in the 2's hasn't filled me with hope he's able to play a role at this level.
Dont need Martin to beat WC......you take on players like McGovern, Martin, Williams etc you just have to hope they are fit at the business end of the season and can stand up for the big games and finals. Reality is they miss a third of every season,
The Kemp argument is probably a bit futile because it all depends on what happens with other players...and what the side looks like in five years time.
What I'm pretty confident of is that Kemp has shown enough to indicate he'll be a big part of that.
All I'm saying is don't close our minds and pigeonhole him.
Robbie Walls would still be playing back pocket if we thought like that ;) :D
Walls was recruited as a CHF. He and Rod Macfarlane (who kicked 100 goals for Coburg ammos and was briefly on Essendon’s list) terrorised our backline when we played Coburg High.
Walls kicked a goal with his first kick but, as a skinny 16 year old, would have been hammered by the gorillas most teams employed as CHBs. A brief sojourn down back was good for his self-preservation but his destiny as a CHF was pre-ordained 🙂
I think I'd prefer Fisher to Honey. What I've seen of Honey in the 2's hasn't filled me with hope he's able to play a role at this level.
Honey has the chance of a new contract (personally i wouldn't give it to him) but Fishers papers appeared to be stamped, but i agree.
Walls was recruited as a CHF. He and Rod Macfarlane (who kicked 100 goals for Coburg ammos and was briefly on Essendon’s list) terrorised our backline when we played Coburg High.
Walls kicked a goal with his first kick but, as a skinny 16 year old, would have been hammered by the gorillas most teams employed as CHBs. A brief sojourn down back was good for his self-preservation but his destiny as a CHF was pre-ordained 🙂
His 'brief sojurn' lasted more than a season ;) :D ....And maybe that's what's happening with Kemp
We'll see what his role is this time next year.
Interestingly it looks like Kemp has put on about 7kg since he was drafted.
This is an old article and maybe Brodie and the club's position has changed.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/586836/the-piece-of-the-puzzle-where-does-kemp-fit-in
Kemp has spent portions of his underage career in every position on the ground, which is what saw Carlton draft the talented youngster with pick No.17.
Of course, Kemp was touted as one of the most talented youngsters in the draft pool prior to a knee injury he sustained.
One of those reasons was his showing against South Australia as an inside midfielder, where he would ultimately kick the match-winning goal.
It’s in that position where Kemp hopes to strut his stuff for years to come.
“I’d probably say the midfield, based on my top-age and bottom-age years,” he said.
“I started to working into playing midfield and that helped me grow my ability in terms of footy.
“If I can keep working really hard and try to model my game on the best players and picking ‘Crippa’s’ brain, that’ll definitely help me.”
I think I'd prefer Fisher to Honey. What I've seen of Honey in the 2's hasn't filled me with hope he's able to play a role at this level.
Agree
Fisher is almost officially gone and hard to see him get another game.
Would have preferred Carroll but he is a pure centre bounce player.
Fisher is almost officially gone and hard to see him get another game.
Would have preferred Carroll but he is a pure centre bounce player.
Carroll should follow Fisher out the door IMO.
The Kemp argument is probably a bit futile because it all depends on what happens with other players...and what the side looks like in five years time.
What I'm pretty confident of is that Kemp has shown enough to indicate he'll be a big part of that.
All I'm saying is don't close our minds and pigeonhole him.
Robbie Walls would still be playing back pocket if we thought like that ;) :D
Nah, he'd be retired by now - as a career back pocket !
Three games before getting injured, must be a record
Yep it’s the same old same old with the same batch of players that every year break down.
Martin just can’t possibly be on the list next year even if he said he would play for free
Yep it’s the same old same old with the same batch of players that every year break down.
Martin just can’t possibly be on the list next year even if he said he would play for free
I always say it, I couldn't give a crap what we are paying, first and foremost for me is can we depend on them week in week out?
Dont need Martin to beat WC......you take on players like McGovern, Martin, Williams etc you just have to hope they are fit at the business end of the season and can stand up for the big games and finals. Reality is they miss a third of every season,
The other issue with blokes like Martin is how much coming in and out of a team unsettles the gameplan. Just can’t get any continuity which is why you just can’t have the amount of them we have all on the one list.
...Assuming it's a fair dinkum injury and not some 'creative' management. ;)
And even making the assumption all those injuries are genuine....I bet that's not how Adam Simpson is spinning it.
He'll be saying "Look at that, that's how much they think of us."
I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more out before game time.
It may not make a huge difference, but it might be motivation enough to give us just a few concerns.
The other issue with blokes like Martin is how much coming in and out of a team unsettles the gameplan. Just can’t get any continuity which is why you just can’t have the amount of them we have all on the one list.
Agree. Also, how much do the comings and goings affect the other players?
Looks like Barrass is out...
They're treating us with disrespect ;) :D
Looks like Barrass is out...
They're treating us with disrespect ;) :D
Serve them right if we win 🙂
Barrass a late out for WC.
I expect it to be tough early on. They have a decent midfield. Ours is very compromised without Pitto, Crippa, MK, Martin, and Cerra. The game will allow our 'next man up' method to be fully tested.
We have a perfect opportunity. Who will step up?