In a club podcast with long-time lieutenant Robert Wiley in August, Malthouse, coming to the end of his first season at Princes Park, questioned the club's winning mentality, reminding the Blues they had won just one flag since the league changed its name to the AFL in 1990.
Malthouse, a three-time premiership coach, sensed the Blues had a ''built-in'' mentality of not knowing what price to pay to consistently win games, and enjoy finals success.
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Oh really?
My drunken self hadn't farking noticed.
We're mediocre. Have been for a long time. Doesn't take Thomas Einstein to work that one out. ;D
Isn't that what the coach is employed to fix?
Isn't that what the coach is employed to fix?
And a minimal amount of time if employed at the Blues.
Thomas Einstein - Love your work Gozza !!
MM is in the process of weeding out the "quitters", the "faint-hearted ones", the "useless ones" and the "losers". He's made a start - next year will see how much more of this is needed. We won't get near a flag until this work is complete.
Oh really?
My drunken self hadn't farking noticed.
We're mediocre. Have been for a long time. Doesn't take Thomas Einstein to work that one out. ;D
Albert Edison is turning in his grave :)
MM is in the process of weeding out the "quitters", the "faint-hearted ones", the "useless ones" and the "losers". He's made a start - next year will see how much more of this is needed. We won't get near a flag until this work is complete.
Well, he's got rid of a couple of useless players, and we've lost a star and a bloke with potential.
I don't think "quitters", "faint-hearted ones" and "losers" would survive at AFL level and I wouldn't put any of our list in those categories. What we do have are players that may not be good enough, or who may need some adjustment "above the shoulders". Malthouse has had 12 months to identify and address those deficiencies and I think that he has strengthened our list significantly in that time. Depending on how much improvement he can wring out of our fringe and developing players, and how durable our established players are, Malthouse should only have to fine tune the list for us to be genuine contenders.
Rather than weeding out underperformers, Malthouse's real challenge will be retaining the team's core with Bryce Gibbs, Michael Jamison, Marc Murphy, Heath Scotland, Kade Simpson, Jarrad Waite and Andrew Walker eligible for free agency. Excluding Scotland and Waite, we would have to hang on to at least four of that lot.
@DJC
Well we'll know for sure soon enough whether the pruning has been enough. Yes Eddie was a loss but I think one where we have others who will provide cover for his role. I'm still not convinced that there are not another couple, maybe more, who will go if they don't improve. Call it what you like, the way we let go of some games in 2013 was disturbing and I'm sure it wouldn't have escaped the attention of MM.
As far as FA is concerned, next year will show which of those coming up are ones we really want to keep and are prepared to offer what they want. I'm confident that if we improve significantly in 2014 then we can retain who we want of Gibbs, Jamo, Murphy, Simmo and Walker. Most will likely want to stay under those circumstances. We should, however, have contingencies identified and lined up just in case.
Scotto and possibly Waite will more likely be retired , as you say.
Yes Cookie there are definitely a few who will need to live up to their potential or it will be "don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out".
If the Club is not working very hard now to keep Gibbs, Jamison, Murphy, Simpson and Walker then the powers that be have rocks in their heads.
Interestingly, there's not much on offer from other clubs via free agency and those players who would make a difference to us are apparently close to signing contract extensions.
Scotland will probably pull the pin but, if Waite has a good season, I suspect he'll go around again.
Time will tell :-\
Reckon Gibbs is the only one we are really in danger of losing. Isn't this Maccas job, to get signatures on the line that is dotted?
Reckon Gibbs is the only one we are really in danger of losing. Isn't this Maccas job, to get signatures on the line that is dotted?
Whatever will be, will be with Gibbs I think, and the same goes for any non-Victorians. If they want to go home that badly, they leave.
Im not going to lament the loss of any free agent. The ones that really want to be here will stay at the club and they will be rewarded with a decent to good amount of money accordingly.
It will help us weed out those who are in it for themselves and should see us become a stronger team.
Reckon Gibbs is the only one we are really in danger of losing. Isn't this Maccas job, to get signatures on the line that is dotted?
Hopefully in his last season at the helm, Sticks can have some influence on getting Gibba to sign. Surely his friendship with his old man counts for something. Then there's MM's assurance that Gibba was ontouchable during this trade period.
Murphy should follow Hodges lead and get it done early as possible.
Simmo's Carlton to the core and Walker seems to love playing under MM.
I'm with those who feel we need to sign up and tie up players earlier in the season. We can't have another Betts situation. I don't mind us trading players to improve the playing list, but when we lose players for free it is just not on.
Tripe. I believe we were the winningest club over the course of the AFL up to 2002 then we fell away badly. We still have winning records against a lot of teams even with our junk years.
We had a losing culture that just happened to win more than any other in the competition, this smacks of laying ground work.
You can say this culture has been breed over a decade of crap and this group in particular is fragile as anything, no issue there but since the inception of the AFL? What simplictic rubbish analysis.
Reckon Gibbs is the only one we are really in danger of losing. Isn't this Maccas job, to get signatures on the line that is dotted?
Whatever will be, will be with Gibbs I think, and the same goes for any non-Victorians. If they want to go home that badly, they leave.
Would be EXTREMELY hard to take for me.
Tripe. I believe we were the winningest club over the course of the AFL up to 2002 then we fell away badly. We still have winning records against a lot of teams even with our junk years.
We had a losing culture that just happened to win more than any other in the competition, this smacks of laying ground work.
You can say this culture has been breed over a decade of crap and this group in particular is fragile as anything, no issue there but since the inception of the AFL? What simplictic rubbish analysis.
Good point IOT; the only teams that have better win loss ratios with us are Fremantle and Port Adelaide. Even in our darkest years Malthouse only managed 12 wins against us to our 8 wins over a high flying Collingwood (not that that is anywhere near acceptable).
While I agree that some of our recent losses may be put down to a lack of determination to win, it is a very simplistic analysis. In fact, if my memory is correct, Collingwood at its best unaccountably lost games in which it was clear favourite. I wonder how Mick would explain that. :-\
At the end of the day, nobody seems to care about winning ratios. Flags are what success is measured by in this caper. And we only have one AFL flag. 16 all up, but only one in the AFL that was nearly 20 years ago.
At the end of the day, nobody seems to care about winning ratios. Flags are what success is measured by in this caper. And we only have one AFL flag. 16 all up, but only one in the AFL that was nearly 20 years ago.
Very true Gozza but we're not going to win another one if our coach believes the simplistic analysis he is peddling.
Tripe. I believe we were the winningest club over the course of the AFL up to 2002 then we fell away badly. We still have winning records against a lot of teams even with our junk years.
We had a losing culture that just happened to win more than any other in the competition, this smacks of laying ground work.
You can say this culture has been breed over a decade of crap and this group in particular is fragile as anything, no issue there but since the inception of the AFL? What simplictic rubbish analysis.
Super post IOT.
Even if the media want to cite a lack of recent premiership experience to influence the culture of the current playing group, we have the greatest history in the league that is carried by supporters, we also have a premiership winning Captain and multi premiership winning Coach. We have a premiership winning Captain as President and a General manager of football operations who is a premiership champion.
The culture argument is crap.
We are in a competition that wants to cement itself as truly national and will deliver whatever it takes. It delivered 3 flags to the Lions and 2 to the Swans in this century. Port chipped in for one then needed an AFL bail out. Watch this space as Gold Coast conquer all whilst the basket case in Western Sydney is assured success despite a total lack of interest from its demographic.
At the end of the day, nobody seems to care about winning ratios. Flags are what success is measured by in this caper. And we only have one AFL flag. 16 all up, but only one in the AFL that was nearly 20 years ago.
Very true Gozza but we're not going to win another one if our coach believes the simplistic analysis he is peddling.
Perhaps we are looking at this too 'simplistically'. Let's go back.
The rot set in at our club, IMHO, when our self-congratulations reached fever pitch after 1995. And people caused this - the President, mainly, and his arrogant disregard for the ethics and principles of our game (and the corporate world in general!!!) and the governing body of our game, cascaded (contaminated) throughout and the club (ultimately disillusioning an impressionable future President). Elliott's arrogance prevented him viewing any other success process than the one he knew. This terrible failure would also impact on his personal life... resulting in divorce, being broke (which saw him renting an apartment in Carlton), sacked by his beloved Liberal Party and Melbourne Club. D1ckhead.
Elliott, Parkin and others were so busy feeling full of themselves over our (their) success that they forgot about planning (with ruthless objectivity) for the future. Parko has virtually admitted this - recruiting, for one, suffered badly. (Elliott continues to believe that any failure he is or was a part of is someone else’s fault. The Elliott response to creating a side for the next premiership was 'how can we cheat to get what we want?' Hardly surprising that we then ended up with Pagan). So now we have a senior coach based on reputation ...but not addressing suitability. You d1ckhead Elliott.
Then we fell apart. Then we had a couple of dreadful Presidents... both with agendas that were not loyal to the principles of our club, let alone on-field excellence (or actually understanding what it means to be a President of an entity seeking to achieve the best in every regard).
Then we realised we were a total f*ckup. In all areas. And then we got Pratt. And he got Swann. And a favourite son as senior coach. And then Pratt died (and along with his death, our leadership). Then Sticks became President. So then we had a novice Senior Coach; novice President; new fitness coach and f*cknose in charge of recruiting and dev. Only the CEO actually really knew what he was doing.
But now... we have a CEO who has delivered under difficult, very difficult circumstances. We have a Senior Coach who only a few short years ago stood on the biggest dais (and has almost 3 decades of success experience). We also now have a fitness leader who has presided over 4 grand final campaigns in 13 years. Future Presidents are looming...
Sorry but I can only see we are heading the best and right direction. Sh1te, even as recent as last year we were not getting as frequent updates on our website as our sultry Loretta is providing...
That's a pretty good, honest and accurate assessment there Baggers.
MM certainly brings a lot of (successful) experience to the club. I agree we are heading in the right direction, here's hoping it all pays off with the ultimate success, a premiership !!
Nice assessment baggers.
Would be good of someone could compile an explicit history of the last 20 years.
yes, improvements for sure - innovative? no
most of that personnel came from one club our arch enemy - that doesn't flatter me
we are paying overs for people past their best - that needs to be phased out. Lake took a 200k paycut to play with the hawks, when that happens with us , i'll be fkn thrilled
yes, improvements for sure - innovative? no
most of that personnel came from one club our arch enemy - that doesn't flatter me
we are paying overs for people past their best - that needs to be phased out. Lake took a 200k paycut to play with the hawks, when that happens with us , i'll be fkn thrilled
Ahh to be a desirable destination eh?
yes, improvements for sure - innovative? no
most of that personnel came from one club our arch enemy - that doesn't flatter me
we are paying overs for people past their best - that needs to be phased out. Lake took a 200k paycut to play with the hawks, when that happens with us , i'll be fkn thrilled
Yes TTB, poaching coaching, playing and administrative staff from the Pies is hardly a formula for long term and sustainable development.
Perhaps our long term plan is to get Ratts back once he is full bottle on the Hawks' approach to on and off field success.
Whatever it takes, if we can match Hawthorn and Geelong's success, we'll have players, coaches and administrators knocking on the door in the hope of an opportunity with us.
yes, improvements for sure - innovative? no
most of that personnel came from one club our arch enemy - that doesn't flatter me
we are paying overs for people past their best - that needs to be phased out. Lake took a 200k paycut to play with the hawks, when that happens with us , i'll be fkn thrilled
Ahh to be a desirable destination eh?
Many factors to consider. Coaching group needs to be trusted. Playing group needs to be strong and balanced, and a side needs to be heading towards another flag or 2. We might be a bit away from this happening to us and we need to work with what we have for now.