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Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #210 –
IDGAF. Do they think Harry was unlucky to miss out on a free for holding the man? I’m guessing they’d say that such decisions are just the rub of the green …

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Reply #211 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
They were robbed....thats the general perception of everyone bar Carlton supporters and a lot of them think we got lucky.

Yep
But they're biased. :D

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Reply #212 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
They were robbed....thats the general perception of everyone bar Carlton supporters and a lot of them think we got lucky.
Take away the 6 points we still win, everyone can GAGFed AFAIC.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
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Reply #213 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Take away the 6 points we still win, everyone can GAGFed AFAIC.
Scores were level at that stage and they had momentum ...... pro sport usually has the karma bus making a visit when you get lucky like that and evening up the score somewhere down the line.
The Umps will burn us in an important game and make it even.......its going to happen imho.

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Reply #214 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Scores were level at that stage and they had momentum ......
If my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #216 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Venomous dissent ? No way.

Yes way!

It’s interesting how the narrative is changing with Coniglio now gesturing in accordance with his Italian heritage while politely asking why GWS didn’t get a free.  What a load of bollocks!

Despite what some supporters may think, umpires don’t just pluck free kicks out of their ask.  On the other hand, Kingsley is talking out of his ask with his claim that Coniglio doesn’t question umpires’ decisions.  A half decent coach would suck it up and agree that showing dissent isn’t good for the game.

Coniglio is a serial offender and he went too far and too often.

Anyway, the message has gone out and the umpires will have some respite from venomous dissent.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #217 –
I heard Ray Chamberlain talking about this on radio today, the most interesting thing he said was how did the ump even see him with his peripheral vision? Ray said there is so much to do, so much going through your mind, the fact he saw him was impressive. That made me think though, was Ray suggesting he must have heard something to attract his attention?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #218 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I heard Ray Chamberlain talking about this on radio today, the most interesting thing he said was how did the ump even see him with his peripheral vision? Ray said there is so much to do, so much going through your mind, the fact he saw him was impressive. That made me think though, was Ray suggesting he must have heard something to attract his attention?

The umpire had called “all clear” before he paid the free. In other words, play had stopped.  He would have responded to Coniglio’s shout and turned with plenty of time to see the gesticulating and stink eye.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #219 –
Quote from: Mav on
IDGAF. Do they think Harry was unlucky to miss out on a free for holding the man? I’m guessing they’d say that such decisions are just the rub of the green …
He dropped the ball when tackled imho...I would have paid that as incorrect disposal. He was held onto for too long after the initial tackle but I would have paid the free to Taylor  before that...

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Reply #220 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
He dropped the ball when tackled imho...I would have paid that as incorrect disposal. He was held onto for too long after the initial tackle but I would have paid the free to Taylor  before that...
I think Harry fumbled the ball just before the tackler got to him, and the tackle then lingered long after H did not have possession.  Holding the man every day of the week, as the tackle did not cause the fumble. 

Of course, the umps may well have paid advantage, at which point we get rewarded with Durdin's point.  

But in a nutshell - 4 points in the bank, move on..... no dissent from me!
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Reply #221 –
Quote from: tonyo on
I think Harry fumbled the ball just before the tackler got to him, and the tackle then lingered long after H did not have possession.  Holding the man every day of the week, as the tackle did not cause the fumble. 

Of course, the umps may well have paid advantage, at which point we get rewarded with Durdin's point. 

But in a nutshell - 4 points in the bank, move on..... no dissent from me!

That's exactly as I saw it.  Harry fumbled the ball before he was tackled and should have got a free for holding the man.  The umpire's view was obscured by Harry and the tackler and a free either way would have been a guess.  The umpire had a better view than Coniglio.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #222 –
Yep, if you watch a replay you see that Harry never took possession. He tried to grab the ball but never got a hand to it. It bobbled and then his left thigh (swinging through as he was running) knocked it beyond his reach. In fact, using the term ‘fumbled’ overstates it as he never had a piece of it at all.

And the tackle was only applied when the ball was a metre away from Harry and heading away from him. There’s absolutely no doubt that Harry didn’t have the ball. It was the most obvious case of holding the man that can be imagined, especially as the tackle dragged him down to the ground when the ball was clearly away from Harry and Taylor continued to hold him when they were on the ground.

The weird thing was that the umpire could be heard saying play on as the tackle started and still the tackle continued until Harry had been brought to ground. The umpire should have blown the whistle and awarded the free as the tackle continued.

This is not a case of advantage being allowed as the umpire has to blow the whistle and then wave the play on and call advantage. None of that happened.

That’s why IDGAF about whingers who moan that GWS was robbed. They were allowed to get away with the big steal initially but rather than behave like thieves in the night escaping with their ill-gotten gains, that tosser Coniglio had to put his foot in it. Justice was done and let the footy gods be praised.

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Reply #223 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Scores were level at that stage and they had momentum ...... pro sport usually has the karma bus making a visit when you get lucky like that and evening up the score somewhere down the line.
The Umps will burn us in an important game and make it even.......its going to happen imho.

The Giants were five points up before Durdin scored the behind.  Motlop's goal put us two points up and we scored one goal and three behinds to the Giants' one behind after that.  I thought that their two goals in the last quarter were against the run of play and that we looked more likely to score.

Harry was robbed of at least two frees in front of goal (not that he would necessarily have goaled) so the karma bus was right on schedule.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #224 –
Quote from: DJC on
The Giants were five points up before Durdin scored the behind.  Motlop's goal put us two points up and we scored one goal and three behinds to the Giants' one behind after that.  I thought that their two goals in the last quarter were against the run of play and that we looked more likely to score.

Harry was robbed of at least two frees in front of goal (not that he would necessarily have goaled) so the karma bus was right on schedule.
Like I said I thought it was a free against Harry for incorrect disposal hence Coniglio and Whitfield complaining....happy to take the win but we will see where the karma bus parks in the next few games, the Crows Game will be tough but I would expect to thump Nth.