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Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #105
Other non Carlton mates who watched the game ALL said the umpiring was very bias towards the Cows.
I agree whole heartedly. It was like there were 4 razor Ray's!
I am VERY worried about our ruck situation.
We were smashed and beaten convincingly around the ground.
Worst now Pitto is out.
Tdk does cameos around the ground but no where near enough. JSOS does the best he can but can't keep it up all year.
Against Adelaide or mids got no where near the ball and when that happens we go to water.
We need to get another ruck from the ruck shop in the mid season draft.
2024... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #106
I watched as much of the replay as I could 🫣
I thought many of our blokes looked scared, insecure, and unsure. Go figure 🤔
Perhaps a bit reflective of the novelty of the round, and opening it in particular. Playing at a ground and against a team that has haf our number for ages. Losing some important leadership and structure may have fed the doubt. Who knows? It was a very poor performance no matter the circumstances.

Like others, I haven't been convinced by our performances thus far. That said, to have 3w 1d means we've lost no ground. Despite our on field woes and injuries, we have time to regroup. Another performance like last though and the fans will get restless.

Go Blues
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #107
I wonder if our so-so efforts for the year papered over cracks... which we ignored... which we put a favourable spin on... sound familiar?
Baggers we were 8-3 at the bye last year, were labelled fast and brutal for our toughness. Whats changed? I can answer it if you want.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #108
Baggers we were 8-3 at the bye last year, were labelled fast and brutal for our toughness. Whats changed? I can answer it if you want.

Do tell...
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #109
Baggers we were 8-3 at the bye last year, were labelled fast and brutal for our toughness. Whats changed? I can answer it if you want.
The brutal bit was our big mids according to Hardwick......Hewett, Kennedy and Cripps......whats changed? , Hewett looks like he is playing with his hand still injured and was rushed back too early. Kennedy got injured again and looked short of a gallop and when Cripps has a down game we really struggle especially when his opponent is someone decent and spends all game on their own doing what they like.
You add Pittonet injured and TDK down on form and its our main attack weapon the midfield that let us down vs the Crows.
Pace...we played a fast brand when on song rather than having a lot of individual leg speed, players hit targets, run to position well
and you get a good linkup to Charlie and Harry.


Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #110
Do tell...
Nothing has changed, form and workmate is down.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #111
Nothing has changed, form and workmate is down.

Ah, got it. I thought I'd missed something that changed 🤪
Geez wouldn't it be good to have some stability in the middle?
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #112
The brutal bit was our big mids according to Hardwick......Hewett, Kennedy and Cripps......whats changed? , Hewett looks like he is playing with his hand still injured and was rushed back too early. Kennedy got injured again and looked short of a gallop and when Cripps has a down game we really struggle especially when his opponent is someone decent and spends all game on their own doing what they like.
You add Pittonet injured and TDK down on form and its our main attack weapon the midfield that let us down vs the Crows.
Pace...we played a fast brand when on song rather than having a lot of individual leg speed, players hit targets, run to position well
and you get a good linkup to Charlie and Harry.


Exaclty, we're not slower or less hard, we just aren't doing fundamentals right, down on confidence and form and played some tough opposition. Doc AND Gov out hurt structure alot, didnt do very well at the selection table either. As I said, just a horrible performance right across the board.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #113
Exaclty, we're not slower or less hard, we just aren't doing fundamentals right, down on confidence and form and played some tough opposition. Doc AND Gov out hurt structure alot, didnt do very well at the selection table either. As I said, just a horrible performance right across the board.
How bloody often does this comment rear it's ugly head??????
2024... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #114
Baggers we were 8-3 at the bye last year, were labelled fast and brutal for our toughness. Whats changed? I can answer it if you want.

Couldn't agree more... but then, after the bye, not so much. We started this year much like we finished last year with the exception -- until Thursday night -- we were winning - just.

Love to know what you believe the reasons are, old son. Personally, I see injuries, inconsistency in games and out of form or just not up to it blokes taking the field. Our safe and conservative approach at the selection table also contributes to the issues.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #115
Couldn't agree more... but then, after the bye, not so much. We started this year much like we finished last year with the exception -- until Thursday night -- we were winning - just.

Love to know what you believe the reasons are, old son. Personally, I see injuries, inconsistency in games and out of form or just not up to it blokes taking the field. Our safe and conservative approach at the selection table also contributes to the issues.
Baggers I can't pin point any one thing, there are multiple factors at play here and the ones you mention are certainly some.
Injuries: There are some on our injury list that just aren't worth worrying about or factoring in simply because they are never a factor because they never ever seem to play. Doc and Gov out hurt us for sure, the selection committee has a lot to answer for with respect to the replacements bought in. I refuse to single out players from Thursday night's catastrophe but I will say Kemp, Cincotta and one of Dow/Fogarty should have played. In other words, I dont think the correct replacements played. Would they have made a difference on Thurs? No one knows really but we would have known more today. I didn't like the idea of rotating George or Cerra to the half backline when you have other replacements and those 2 could have remained at the coalface where they belong. Where did we get smashed the most on Thurs? At the coal face especially in the first qtr.

I do think there is an element of pacing themselves. What I mean by that is the our first half of the year last year was "all in", pedal to the metal to the bye. After that we dropped off severely, maybe because the guys looked thrashed. Perhaps, there is a concerted effort this year to better manage their loads (at training and in game) to minimise the effects of injuries.

I tend to think our game style may have been tinkered with a little and perhaps the blokes are still coming to grips with it. We are definitely not doing to the basics right, whether that be errant kicks or handballs, spilling easy marks, ineffective tackles (this one is a big problem for mine) or simply trying to be too cute (how many overhead backwards handballs did we do and mess up the other night). We also seem to be selecting the wrong options far too often, like giving off to say a left footer who only has his right side to work with.

All this can be fixed (I think), it's just a question of how much damage did that loss do between the ears of our players and coaches. Now I have seen us rectify structural problems and tidy up ball movement within games this year, I'd like to think (or hope) we can do it in 9 or 10 days this time. Finals aren't made or won in March, April or May.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #116
Couldn't agree more... but then, after the bye, not so much. We started this year much like we finished last year with the exception -- until Thursday night -- we were winning - just.

Love to know what you believe the reasons are, old son. Personally, I see injuries, inconsistency in games and out of form or just not up to it blokes taking the field. Our safe and conservative approach at the selection table also contributes to the issues.

We were 4-1 with a percentage of 102.6 after 5 rounds last year.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #117
We lost to the hapless Suns.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #118
In regards to 2022, you have to look at the teams we did not play until beyond Rnd 10 or so, and we did not play Geelong or Melbourne until after Rnd 18!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #119
As per momentum, I thought Motlop was monstered in the 1st q, he could’ve had 3 frees early but nada…

It was their tactic all over the ground, in the 1st quarter - hold at every stoppage, hold before the ball arrives, and see if the umpires have the guts to pay frees in front of that crowd.....  we know the answer to that...