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Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #285 –
Quote from: WASurfer on
TDK out....why do they say "managed"? Clearly he's been dropped....or omitted.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!  Not sure we’re adding mobility by removing TDK … if it was pittonet being removed it may be a bit different.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #286 –
Remember, the Saints left Tom Campbell, the other ruckman, as an emergency. Pitto, like most rucks, would be happier as a sole ruckman.

Of course, either side can swing changes right up to the bounce of the ball.
 

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #287 –
Quote from: JonDorotich on
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!  Not sure we’re adding mobility by removing TDK … if it was pittonet being removed it may be a bit different.

TDK has been very poor first six weeks and needs to dig deep and find something imo.

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Reply #288 –
Quote from: Lods on
A structure thing no doubt...it may point to tactics we'll employ, but I'm buggered if I have any idea what they might be...other than Jack rucking again.  ::)
I wonder how much a young ruckman, 5 years into his career, who can't make his sides twenty-two will be worth at season's end.


He has plenty of time on his side as a young ruckman, but needs to start bridging the difference between natural talent and potential to AFL standard output.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #289 –
Quote from: WASurfer on
TDK out....why do they say "managed"? Clearly he's been dropped....or omitted.
Yep...they have managed to drop him.....reckon his asking price will be dropping too.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #290 –
Stkilda ruck Zane Cordy as their relief and also have been employing him down forward to create a bit of room for their smalls.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #291 –
Quote from: pinot on
TDK has been very poor first six weeks and needs to dig deep and find something imo.

We have very few weapons and TDK is one of them. Pittonet is a modern day Mark Porter I.e. Solid VFL player.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #292 –
Quote from: WASurfer on
TDK out....why do they say "managed"? Clearly he's been dropped....or omitted.
Why one ruckman? Couldn't give Mirkov a try? Pitto and SOS combo is doomed to fail.
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Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #293 –
Quote from: Mav on
So, the emergencies comprise 3 talls and LOB. Arguably, Kemp could be regarded as a mid, but surely at 192cm he’s a big-bodied mid and we already have Cripps, Hewitt and Kennedy as our bullocking types. Looks like LOB might get the nod.

How can Kemp be regarded as a mid when he’s played all his footy for us (VFL and AFL) as a KPP? 

I’d say he’s cover for McGovern.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #294 –
The only way TDK hasn't been dropped, is if he is named as the sub. Then the 'managed' thing makes sense.

Personally i hate the idea of naming any ruck as a sub as it leaves your hands tied tactics wise with the sub.

I'd be using Kemp as the sub as he is more versatile, position wise.

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Reply #295 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Stkilda ruck Zane Cordy as their relief and also have been employing him down forward to create a bit of room for their smalls.
Should that possibility cause me to mop my brow or jump up and down in ecstacy? I’m going for the latter.

Cordy is a 195/92 defender/forward according to Footywire.

Even his bio on the St Kilda site says:
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After eight seasons at the Kennel as a father-son recruit, Zaine Cordy traded in the blue for some black to join St Kilda as a delisted free agent.
The Premiership Bulldog joins the Saints after 118 senior games, taking up positions at either end of the ground during his time at Whitten Oval.

Cordy’s versatility will be an important asset heading into 2023, especially in providing another tall option down back to support defenders Dougal Howard and Callum Wilkie.

Even they couldn’t muster much enthusiasm for his ability as a ruck or forward. He has kicked a grand total of 18 goals over his 123 games with a match best of 2 goals, although he has managed 4 goals in 5 games this year. He has never had double figure hit outs.

Of course, that doesn’t mean he can’t have a break out game against us. But he’s a dream opponent for JSOS who stands at 194/92. And it would be a godsend if Cordy does play forward. Then, Weets or Young would have a natural opponent who isn’t very mobile and who doesn’t have a height or weight advantage over them. They’d be free to work off him rather than being lured out of D50 as happened last week.

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Reply #296 –
Quote from: DJC on
How can Kemp be regarded as a mid when he’s played all his footy for us (VFL and AFL) as a KPP? 

I’d say he’s cover for McGovern.
Agree....
Its a losing battle DJ...Kemp will be the only well known mid on our list never to have actually played the position.😶
Had this thought McGovern might end up on Wilkie and Kemp might play down back.

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Reply #297 –
Quote from: Mav on
Should that possibility cause me to mop my brow or jump up and down in ecstacy? I’m going for the latter.

Cordy is a 195/92 defender/forward according to Footywire.

Even his bio on the St Kilda site says:
Even they couldn’t muster much enthusiasm for his ability as a ruck or forward. He has kicked a grand total of 18 goals over his 123 games with a match best of 2 goals, although he has managed 4 goals in 5 games this year. He has never had double figure hit outs.

Of course, that doesn’t mean he can’t have a break out game against us. But he’s a dream opponent for JSOS who stands at 194/92. And it would be a godsend if Cordy does play forward. Then, Weets or Young would have a natural opponent who isn’t very mobile and who doesn’t have a height or weight advantage over them. They’d be free to work off him rather than being lured out of D50 as happened last week.
Cordy isnt being employed to be the greatest ruckman, forward etc but is your classic Ross Lyon role player who is there to be a nuisance and prevent opposition players doing their job. My guess is he might be used to play on McGovern to prevent him from intercepting and doing his rebound thing if McGovern plays down back...

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #298 –
Save that the defenders select their opponents rather than the forwards choosing their defenders. Sure, Cordy could try to run around with Gov but Weets could take care of Cordy (and Gov’s opponent) while Gov runs off to intercept.

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Reply #299 –
Quote from: Mav on
Save that the defenders select their opponents rather than the forwards choosing their defenders. Sure, Cordy could try to run around with Gov but Weets could take care of Cordy (and Gov’s opponent) while Gov runs off to intercept.
Lyon said he stuffed up and backed his system last week and let Nick Daicos freewheel around the park to disastrous effect, I dont see him doing that this week with any of our key rebounders. We saw the Keays/Saad matchup last week and we lost that battle in the coaching box for the second time in a row so my confidence isnt high.