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Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #75 –
Quote from: LoveNavy on
Our record at the tribunal looks pretty good. W W
Isn't it something like:

TDK fine   W
Acres       L
H             W
Mots        L
Newmy   W
 
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #76 –
In that case, our Tribunal record is the same as our record against the Dogs!

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Reply #77 –
Quote from: WASurfer on
Agreed Mav...I think he was going at about 2 goals per game early in the season before the injury. Definite in this week.
It's not just that, Owies has a team first work ethic, he makes players around him better, he covers for team-mates over the full playing field and makes the effort to compete with any opponent of any size. Basically, when Owies was up and about our opposition had to work harder, and that benefits everybody we have out there!
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #78 –
Quote from: LP on

The AFL media lambasted Newman for giving up the chase against Cameron, actually surrounded by multiple opponents he had zero hope of catching Cameron. Go and watch Motlop he doesn't chase against people he can actually catch!
The same can be said of C.Curnow and Z.Fisher

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Reply #79 –
Second efforts and desperation are everything these days.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

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Reply #80 –
Quote from: LP on

The AFL media lambasted Newman for giving up the chase against Cameron, actually surrounded by multiple opponents he had zero hope of catching Cameron. Go and watch Motlop he doesn't chase against people he can actually catch!

I don't think Newey gave up the chase on Cameron, I think he gave up in disgust at how easy it got to Cameron and how little support there was for him and how little pressure up the field there was to create the Cameron opportunity in the first place.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #81 –
Quote from: Baggers on
I don't think Newey gave up the chase on Cameron, I think he gave up in disgust at how easy it got to Cameron and how little support there was for him and how little pressure up the field there was to create the Cameron opportunity in the first place.
Indeed. That was how I saw it.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #82 –
Quote from: rocky on
Last 6 results against the dogs
2022 - W 102 to 90
2021 - L 107 to 91
2020 - W 103 to 51
2019 - L 103 to 100
2019 - W 101 to 57
2018 - L 66 to 49

Don't like the pattern. Hope we can break the cycle
First one in 2019 we were on the bottom, winless. 2021 we led by 27pts near 3/4 time, so we were on top for much of the game (until we fcuked up). Even when we were utterly crap we caused them issues.

They've been embarrassed so much this week in the media so I'm am guessing we see good Carlton this week, the one that fronted up against Geelong in R2, and flog them. Then the week after we will likely see bad Carlton against Collingwood and be thoroughly deflated again.

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Reply #83 –
Players need to get their heads out of their buttholes because it's a simple game plan.
1. Brutal in the contest
2. Hard running defensive transitioning
3. When offensive transitioning from defence hold up the ball and look for corridor and put speed on the ball.
4. On turn over put speed on the ball.

Mids have little cohesion - coaches leaving Kennedy out makes no sense when he brings brutality to the game plan
Small forwards ineffectual and not up to AFL standard or too young either way they are not good enough for AFL football other than maybe Owies and Motlop.
Skill execution from players that think they are at a high plain than the game itself need a good hard look at themselves.. this isn't about your personal performance pal its about the team

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #84 –
Quote from: Baggers on
I don't think Newey gave up the chase on Cameron, I think he gave up in disgust at how easy it got to Cameron and how little support there was for him and how little pressure up the field there was to create the Cameron opportunity in the first place.

Common sense says that you don’t expend energy on a futile chase … and Newman had Buckley’s hope of getting within 5 metres of Cameron before he kicked on the goal line.  However, it’s not a good look to be so demonstrative about giving up.  I suspect that Newey will have watched that footage several times and will have a different approach next time.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #85 –
Quote from: LP on
It's not just that, Owies has a team first work ethic, he makes players around him better, he covers for team-mates over the full playing field and makes the effort to compete with any opponent of any size. Basically, when Owies was up and about our opposition had to work harder, and that benefits everybody we have out there!

Owies gets some leeway because he was a Cat B rookie.  He is generally a good finisher and he does occasionally find space in our forward line but, like Motlop and Durdin, he’s a hell of a way off the likes of Picket, Bolton, Cameron, Breust, Papley, and Stengle … and his work off the ball is no better than that of Motlop and Durdin.

I’d have Owies in my 22 before Honey but he doesn’t offer any more than Motlop or Durdin … and nowhere near what the elite small forwards provide.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #86 –
Quote from: DJC on
Owies gets some leeway because he was a Cat B rookie.  He is generally a good finisher and he does occasionally find space in our forward line but, like Motlop and Durdin, he’s a hell of a way off the likes of Picket, Bolton, Cameron, Breust, Papley, and Stengle … and his work off the ball is no better than that of Motlop and Durdin.

I’d have Owies in my 22 before Honey but he doesn’t offer any more than Motlop or Durdin … and nowhere near what the elite small forwards provide.

My thoughts exactly.  In our desperation to strengthen our forward line we seem to have unreal expectations of what Owies can provide.
In the teams above us he would be lucky to get a game.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #87 –
Quote from: DJC on
Common sense says that you don’t expend energy on a futile chase … and Newman had Buckley’s hope of getting within 5 metres of Cameron before he kicked on the goal line.  However, it’s not a good look to be so demonstrative about giving up.  I suspect that Newey will have watched that footage several times and will have a different approach next time.

Understand, but I see it a little differently. Newey is a passionate player and I believe he loves the place and it's because he's so committed that his emotions will spill over from time to time. Yep, not a good look and he'd no doubt agree... but it does, in exasperation and desperation, send a message to his team mates.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

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Reply #88 –
Quote from: Baggers on
I don't think Newey gave up the chase on Cameron, I think he gave up in disgust at how easy it got to Cameron and how little support there was for him and how little pressure up the field there was to create the Cameron opportunity in the first place.
The mindset of giving up starts well before the contest. A desperate player would have made more of an effort to not concede a goal. The result may have been the same but his team mates would have appreciated an effort.

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Reply #89 –
Quote from: ratlice on
The mindset of giving up starts well before the contest. A desperate player would have made more of an effort to not concede a goal. The result may have been the same but his team mates would have appreciated an effort.

Perhaps so, but he demonstrated his frustration which he may never do again. I'm not excusing or justifying his actions, just explaining and cutting him some slack considering the circumstances.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17