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Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #135
There was one guy who was absolutely gushing about how good collingwood were, and I found myself looking at him, and wondering who he was there to support and found myself checking his beanie and club logo multiple times to double check.  Also, hearing frustrated fans line up our cheer squad was something else that I thought was quite poor.

The problem is I was doing the same in terms of 'gushing'  with the occasional profanity thrown in.
Especially when Moore got near the ball.
They were a lot of things we just weren't.

Getting the ball and effort were good (OK) from our side but....
System, 'team'-work and good execution were not.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #136
Coaches' votes :

10 Darcy Moore (COLL)
8 Josh Daicos (COLL)
6 Brody Mihocek (COLL)
4 Scott Pendlebury (COLL)
1 Jordan De Goey (COLL)
1 Steele Sidebottom (COLL)

Ouch.
For the first time this season I have nothing to complain about, the coaches didn't miss a beat!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #137
For the first time this season I have nothing to complain about, the coaches didn't miss a beat!

Same old names doing the same number on us as per usual.....

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #138
I'm pretty sure that Charlie had made  lead to about the 45 and was clear but was ignored.
Acres was burnt twice at least, he ran into the F50 and was standing on his own waving and he was ignored in favour of Charlie or Harry outnumbered. Again, poor decision making with that last kick. Moore and Co feasted on the incoming ball because they knew where it was going every time. I know we say the smalls and mids dont kick enough goals but FFS give them a look at least.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #139
Maybe our cunning plan was to pump up the Filth's tyres so as to set them up to fall?

I'll be far more upset if we fail to hurt CheatsFC than losing to the Filth.

btw., It might be time to gloat. But some of you may recall I posted worriedly about the AFL changes to rules that were almost designed to counter the list we've built. What hope do recruiters and list managers have, when you build a list for one game style and it's ruled out by the Big House with just a few carefully chosen tweaks?

If we ignore games against Wet Toast, is scoring up or down for 2023 compared to 2022?
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #140
Acres was burnt twice at least, he ran into the F50 and was standing on his own waving and he was ignored in favour of Charlie or Harry outnumbered. Again, poor decision making with that last kick. Moore and Co feasted on the incoming ball because they knew where it was going every time. I know we say the smalls and mids dont kick enough goals but FFS give them a look at least.
What you are seeing are guys who have been listening too much to the media, and as a result they are starting to play selfish footy trying in vain to preserve their own careers. None of the stragglers want to be tagged as the player who burns either Coleman Medallist, so they do what the media and court of public opinion asks, whether it's good for the team or not!

Going to be tough to reset this mindset while blokes like Mathieson keeps throwing rocks.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #141
What you are seeing are guys who have been listening too much to the media, and as a result they are starting to play selfish footy trying in vein to preserve their own careers. None of the stragglers want to be tagged as the player who burns either Coleman Medallist, so they do what the media and court of public opinion asks, whether it's good for the team or not!

This is where Malthouse was spot on in the article he wrote the other day, our on field leadership is not up to scratch. We speak of blokes like Newman and Doc wanting to, or having the potential to, coach post footy career. Or Weiters who supposedly has a very high footy IQ. None of them offered correctional advice to their team mates with respect to constantly kicking it to Charlie and Harry despite better options available (unless of course the instruction from the powers that be is to kick it to only them at all costs - which I doubt).
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #142
Maybe our cunning plan was to pump up the Filth's tyres so as to set them up to fall?

I'll be far more upset if we fail to hurt CheatsFC than losing to the Filth.

btw., It might be time to gloat. But some of you may recall I posted worriedly about the AFL changes to rules that were almost designed to counter the list we've built. What hope do recruiters and list managers have, when you build a list for one game style and it's ruled out by the Big House with just a few carefully chosen tweaks?

If we ignore games against Wet Toast, is scoring up or down for 2023 compared to 2022?

I thought you gave up the tin foil hats?

Thats about your biggest one yet.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #143
I thought you gave up the tin foil hats?

Thats about your biggest one yet.
It doesn't matter which team it is, when you continually change the rules you have to hurt some and advantage others.

For example, last season we made the most effective use of the Stand Rule, I doubt you would have heard us complain about it, but it was basically kyboshed because I think it was De Goey who got sucked in by Doc and the AFL Media went into uproar!

We've got a Midfield built on big bodied Mids who are now all scared to tackle, we can't tackle yet opposition defenders can keep punching BigH in the side of the head reprisal free!

We've got a young ruck who is a jumping jack, he can get his knee in the opponents chest, so the spuds who can't jump or are afraid to jump complained and complained and his action is now outlawed!

Last season was the best season of all round AFL football and scoring we've had for decades, why change anything, they changed a bunch of rules to cater for dick3ads?
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #144
It doesn't matter which team it is, when you continually change the rules you have to hurt some and advantage others.

For example, last season we made the most effective use of the Stand Rule, I doubt you would have heard us complain about it, but it was basically kyboshed because I think it was De Goey who got sucked in by Doc and the AFL Media went into uproar!

We've got a Midfield built on big bodied Mids who are now all scared to tackle, we can't tackle yet opposition defenders can keep punching BigH in the side of the head reprisal free!

We've got a young ruck who is a jumping jack, he can get his knee in the opponents chest, so the spuds who can't jump or are afraid to jump complained and complained and his action is now outlawed!

Last season was the best season of all round AFL football and scoring we've had for decades, why change anything, they changed a bunch of rules to cater for dick3ads?

So the AFL changed the rules so our ruck who is playing 2's can't be advantaged.
Whereas the rules actually help our #1 ruck who is playing.

....and this is somehow proof of the AFL screwing us over?

What data have you got to support your assertion that we made the best use of the stand rule?
What data do you have to prove our midfielders are too scared to tackle?

For someone who cannot comprehend how 'hitouts to advantage' are calculated, because you don't understand what an 'advantage' is, you make some wildly accurate claims based on zero evidence and logic.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #145
From the Heraldsun

So here is the weirdest stat in footy. Carlton ranks No. 1 in the comp for contested possession differential but only 11th for clearance differential.

The Blues are third in the comp for winning first possession from a stoppage but are 16th from converting it into a pure clearance.

So the Blues win the first possession more than nearly every other team but can’t turn it into a clearance.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

 

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #146
I get fans think based on your posts you (@Kruddler) are a Pitto booster, but I realise what you are really doing is protecting SoJ. You need Pitto 1st rucking because if TDK plays and rests forward it won't be Cripps getting the chop from the F50 extra tall role, we can all see it coming, SoJ gets squeezed out, this is the way.

If we do what fans want and put a bullet in McGovern to keep SoJ via some weird and speculative reshuffle , we might was well shoot our own foot.

FFS, now some are calling for Weiters head, and SoJ just roles on unsupervised! :o

Personally I hope I'm wrong, I hope SoJ sticks fat at Carlton, comes good and enables us to rub his old man's face in it, but it's a wish not an expectation!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #147

So the Blues win the first possession more than nearly every other team but can’t turn it into a clearance.
Some fans will think it's our ruck doing that, while most opposition fans think we've the best or one of the best Midfields in the competition, and they laugh at the prospect the ruck even matters!

Our blokes win the footy, then waste it!

We only need a ruck who puts on a handful of blocks a game and some of those stoppage battles become effective clearances. The last thing our Mids need is a traffic cone ruck allowing them to be pulverised for winning the footy.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #148
From the Heraldsun

So here is the weirdest stat in footy. Carlton ranks No. 1 in the comp for contested possession differential but only 11th for clearance differential.

The Blues are third in the comp for winning first possession from a stoppage but are 16th from converting it into a pure clearance.

So the Blues win the first possession more than nearly every other team but can’t turn it into a clearance.

Thanks for posting. Hard work to get the aggot, which doesn't lead to anything, and you wonder why the players look bummed out.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #149
I get fans think based on your posts you (@Kruddler) are a Pitto booster, but I realise what you are really doing is protecting SoJ. You need Pitto 1st rucking because if TDK plays and rests forward it won't be Cripps getting the chop from the F50 extra tall role, we can all see it coming, SoJ gets squeezed out, this is the way.

If we do what fans want and put a bullet in McGovern to keep SoJ via some weird and speculative reshuffle , we might was well shoot our own foot.

FFS, now some are calling for Weiters head, and SoJ just roles on unsupervised! :o

Personally I hope I'm wrong, I hope SoJ sticks fat at Carlton, comes good and enables us to rub his old man's face in it, but it's a wish not an expectation!

Who hurt you LP? Who hurt you??

Your trust issues run deep.

I don't know how i can say it any other way, maybe i'll try heiroglyphics??
I compare Pittonets stats because it is the ONLY stat that compares apples with apples.
If he plays 10%, or 100% of the ruck, it doesn't matter.
If he has a backup ruck that is SOJ, TDK, or Eddie Betts, it doesn't matter.
The ruck stats are able to be looked at for every contest he is in, and see the result of every contest he is in.
You cannot do that with anyone else in any other position.

This is a fact i found out years ago, and when i looked into it, i was pleasantly suprised how well he was at it. Further to my surprise, he continues to not only keep up that high standard, but improve upon it. He is in the elite category for hitouts to advantage based on % of ruck contests he is in.

This is NOT a 4-year 'long-con' of misdirection to provide some kind of shield for SOS.
I reckon if you go back a couple years you'll see me saying he was not in our best 22. Probably said TDK was.
Now, unfortunately TDK has stagnated and SOS has proven to be somehwat handy around the ground by comparison....while not performing only slightly worse in the ruck.

Sometimes you do WAY too much reading between the lines.
Sometimes, you completely ignore whats written.
This is one of those times.